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Israel's Endgame

The attack on Gaza shows that the Olmert government feels it may be running out of options

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  • Posted By: GirlAroundTheCorner @ 02/22/2009 6:57:08 PM

    GIVE IN. TO GIVE UP - http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2107

  • Posted By: GirlAroundTheCorner @ 02/22/2009 6:33:54 PM

    Care of your own future in the Caliphate to come - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWGA8i6scYY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58
    Amnesty International estimates that over 130 million women worldwide have been affected
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting


  • Posted By: ScienceProf @ 01/25/2009 11:30:59 AM

    Just one more question of the self-appointed Chosen of g-d.

    Just tell me WHY - one reason will be sufficient - I should care more about the future of Israel - knowing its past and present than say, the Sudan?

    Consider the largesse me and my fellow AMERICAN citizens have poured down the drain into Israel. Consider the high tech weponry we've made available to Israel over the last 60 yeaars - with no apparent quid pro quo.

    Consider what we know about very rich Jewish Americans who by hook or by crook - mostly by crook, I believe - have swindled from true Americans. (Americans with no other allegiance to a foreign entity).

    That shouldn't be so hard for someone who believes the answer SHOULD be obvious.

    Because to me, it isn't remotely obvious.

  • Posted By: garysgary @ 01/05/2009 4:11:28 PM

    So Israel invades it's own concentration camp and says it is right to do so. Bush says Israel is right to defend itself. So israel bombs and invades Gaza. Israel created this concentration camp called Gaza. The U.S. should dump Israel this very day! Israel's actions do not match up with American morality. The American people need to research what the Israel lobby is and how they hurt this country.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/05/2009 8:21:00 PM

      So now it is Israel concentration camp, not Egypt's as it always was, even when Gaza was part of Egypt. tHere are several similar Palestinian concentration camps in Arab world. Arab brothers do not allow Palestinians to live outside (may be wisely). And guess what happen when those poor prisoners try to shoot outside (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, more) or collaborate with hosts' enemies (Kuveit)? Right, Atab brother mersilessly exterminate them or/and expel. Israel is doing 100 times less damage, trying to keep 85/15 dogs/civilians ratio. By the way, Egiptian "brothers" in response to curent events privately said "thanks" and tightened up the border.

      • Posted By: ScienceProf @ 01/18/2009 10:19:27 AM

        Stereotypically, you are a GD liar.

        All's fair in lying about Palestinians/Arabs.

        Do you think we all go to synagogues to get all the news that's fit for Jews??

  • Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 01/07/2009 8:06:34 AM

    Honourable secretary generak Mr.Ban KI-Moon has taken strict notice of
    targeting the school by Israeli forces,
    in which so many young childern and the civillians ,
    sheltere therein dies.

    Mr.Moon said,
    the matter would be investigated,
    and punished those ,
    resposible for this heinous crime.

    United Nations school was owned by the United Nations ,
    not for antone's personal property,
    but Israel did no care ,
    during war days,Israel has targeted so may public places,
    that is nude voilation of the international law.

    The plea, Israel has advanced in this connection is that,
    millitants has made trenches of civillan's houses,
    and they are in fact targeting Humas millitants.


    Gaza is being attacked by sea,air,and land,
    all the millitary base,infrastrucher,abd defence places has been destroyed,
    and now the millitants has made their trenches i near the civillian areas,
    so there is no justification that on the name of Humas millitants ,
    armed forces target civillian people ,have sheltered in the places ,
    like schools,dispenseries, hospitals,
    and other public places.

  • Posted By: Getitout @ 01/05/2009 5:25:07 PM

    I agree with you garysgary. The United States should have done that long time ago. Now the only way Israel will stop its invasion, its for the United States to tell Israel to start walking their jews back to Israel. But, president Bush say they have the right to defend themselves, Mr. Obama, his, one president at a time. And Israel say, will wait for Mr. Obama. While all that is going on, Palestinians are dying by the hundreds. And these poor Israelis. They are taken to hospital in shock. I am shock myself to see a country like the United States is backing up a country such Israel that is occupying a land, and fighting a group describe as terrorist. How Hamas can be a terrorist organization while they are defending, and try to reclaim their own land from the occupier. Israel is one of the best well armed terrorist organization in the world. And it is backed by the United States. By the way since that conflict started, I have read to many comments from many bloggers that all have one thing in common, Israel is at fault. I would say about 80% of them.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/05/2009 8:32:15 PM

      These poor peaceful Palestinian people, they elected freely this beatiful peasful Hamas, give them back yards for rocket launchers, and what they got in return? When nobody tries to kill them, they start hunting and hope to kill hundreds. When instead their with is turned on them- they are poor peaceful victims again.

  • Posted By: vanabavi @ 01/05/2009 9:15:07 AM

    I believe that the only solution is change in policies of US. The whole world is suffering economic and other consequences of US policies. We should change our basic policy of supporting wars all over the world. We can reestablish our strategy and become the good superpower of the world again with support of nations all over this world.
    Please read the interesting discussion of Time with Avrum Burg, the scion of one of Israel's founding families (His father was the deputy speaker of the first Knesset, and Burg himself later became speaker of the legislature, and a member of Israel's cabinet) :
    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1869325,00.html

  • Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 01/04/2009 6:50:19 AM

    putting the way of negotiation aisde,
    ignoring rulls of the United nations,
    ivaded Irag,
    war is still going on.

    Israel has taken the same path,
    putting everything aside,
    under the philosophy of Endgame,
    has entered into Gaza,it is limitless not end.

  • Posted By: diggitydo5 @ 01/03/2009 3:30:15 PM

    The corporate media has an interest in advancing american imperialism. That the people who own a lot of media are Jews or Christian religious fanatical zionists on a real level or use that religious pretext as cover for imperialist financial and hegemonic gains and purposes. Sorting the true religious fanatics from the opportunist can be a game of splitting hairs. The reactionary responses of antisemite or Jews rule the world just will not suffice when speaking about this "special relationship" between America and Israel.

  • Posted By: rasty @ 01/03/2009 3:08:52 PM

    in fact that is israel and Jews who are controlling the world using poor USA and its people. that was wish of israel to hit iraq, because saddam was a threat to them, now he forces US to hit Iran too. and the only loser is people of US and their children. if it was wish of US, the first hit should be to the US neighbours or close countries like Venz.. by US army even if it was for oil to hit iraq..
    another approach is that,
    if Israel is in need of support by any mean, the first one showing up and gives this support should be UK, who are the builders of Israel, but the situation is diffrent, US come from several miles away and says i am supporting, and UK has no comment for this, because they know the true Israel now, Is US government, the second one is that one in the middle east.

  • Posted By: REMY101146 @ 01/03/2009 2:11:52 PM

    scienceprof, you absolutely right, I think Americans sould ask themselves the same question, what is it for the US. U.S alwayssupport Israel no matter what, Israel doesn't care about US, They just care about themselves, they wanted us to Iraq for their safety, so we did, and lost thousands of lives and now they want us to go to Iran. when the americans are going to wake and say enouh is enough. I can assure you, if we stop our support for Israel, I bet we will have a lot friends in the muslim wrld. let's keep in mind that they don't hate US, they just hate our foreign policy.
    I believe we need to change course and show the world that the US is an honest broker. I cannot believe that Bush would't even say to the israelis to use restraint.

  • Posted By: GLOBAL1ADVISORY @ 01/03/2009 2:14:38 AM

    IS GAZA ISRAELS REAL TARGET

    Both Israel's and America's true military target is Iran. Occupying Iraq is a means for America to have a military presence on Iran's border to complement its presence in the Persian Gulf. Israel's retaliatory attack on Gaza will also lead to Iran being one of the countries who will continue arming Hamas, thereby giving Israel justification to weaken Iran by bombing some of Iran's nuclear facilities.

    America and most other counties have reason to not allow Iran to become a nuclear power as they all fear Iran will develop covertly a nuclear military capability which will at the least threaten and intimidate other sovereign states in their attempt to become a global military power.

    Iran has the capability to close the Strait of Hormuz for weeks or even months thus forcing the price of crude oil to no doubt skyrocket, at a time when the world is in a state of economic financial chaos. Israel as with America fears that Iran will increase it's support for terrorist groups and be a source of terrorism in it's own right. The Israeli psyche does not forget the Holocaust, and under no circumstances will allow the slightest possibility of such an event threatening their citizens and country.

    The reason Iran will be weakened by strategic military action sooner rather than later stems from the fact as each day and week passes they are building up their defensive capacity thereby enabling them to exact a higher price upon any coalition of forces that attack them, while also hoping this will lead to a deterrent capability strong enough to deter military attack.

    The weakening if not eradication of Iran's nuclear ambitions and goals is not a matter of if, but when.

    (GLOBAL1ADVISORY)

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/03/2009 1:53:56 PM

      "Iran has the capability to close the Strait of Hormuz for weeks or even months":
      Iran will be capable to keep this blocade not more than 1 day, after that ALL its military ships and submarines will be exterminated. They are completely defenseless in the see.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/03/2009 1:50:40 PM

      If they wantto target Iran - they woulld target Iran.

    • Posted By: ScienceProf @ 01/03/2009 10:33:48 AM

      As with Iraq, Iran is a nation with which the USA has had good relations in the past - prior to the overthrow of the Shah. Even with the Hussein regime!! Those relations were dictated by AMERICAN interests, and only AMERICAN interests.

      We've destroyed the Hussein regime, and so far Bush's intransigence on his demand for a clear victory has led to just that victory. (We had no reason to invade, but once our military is committed to a conflict, there is no rational alternative to victory).

      The USA has no rationale for the military isolation of Iran any more than we have to pre-emptively invade it. It poses no REAL threat to the USA, or any of its allies. (Israel is an ally only when it suits Israel's interests.).

      It would yield actual benefits SOLELY to the hated Israel - a feeling reciprocated by Israel against Iran.

      We can no longer support a rogue, religiously-motivated entity. We don't support Iran! The Vatican! Why Israel?

      Answer that single question using all the logic at your command: what is in it for the United States to continue its one-sided support of what has to be considered a "rogue" entity at best??

  • Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 01/03/2009 5:54:04 AM

    With starting the endgame,
    countdown ,regarding the peace has begun,
    reaction is creating espaecially muslim states and taking its form,
    that is not favourabl to the world peace.

    In case,
    the United Nations take no action in time,
    there is possibility of unrest in the world,
    as a power full orgnisation it should inter fare with full power,
    and show its impartiality delivering judgement ,
    based on justice,
    other it has lost its credibility, confidence and value.

    the country,
    who is avoiding rulls and regolations of United Nations,
    it should face dire consequence,
    including superpowers.

    Palestine is burning like hell,
    humanbeing are being killed,
    but Israel is not ready to stop aggression,

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/03/2009 1:47:37 PM

      Why don't you stop these dumb verses which nobody can understand, and start speaking?

    • Posted By: tired and old @ 01/03/2009 12:45:26 PM

      THERE ALREADY IS UNREST IN THE WORLD.

      TERRORIST CRIMINALS " PIG LOVERS " ARE INITIATING CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY IN THE FALSE NAME OF RELIGION.

      HAMAS TERRORISTS DESERVE WHAT THEY GET ------------ ITS THAT SIMPLE.

      IN THE MIST OF INNOCENT PEOPLE THEY BLEND IN, THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT WHO THEY KILL.

      HAMAS ARE COWARDS , THEY HIDE AMONG THE SHEEP.

      ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF ---------IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

      PERHAPS ! ONE DAY THERE MAY BE A SMART BULLIT THAT SEEKS OUT ONLY THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT, WOULD THAT WONDERFULL ----------- YES !

  • Posted By: REMY101146 @ 01/01/2009 11:46:14 PM

    speaking the truth doesn't make you anti Israel or anti Jews, I believe Israel should follow th rule of the UN like everybody else. we all know that they have nuke but everyone is afraid to say something about it ( they should be subject to verifuication like Syria, Korea, Iran and ecveryone else who is trying to acquire nuke. let's face it, the media is biases when it comes to issue of Israel/palestine.. I believe peace is possible but both sides must accept responsible and be willing to achieve peace, this can happen unless the US stop being one sided and be neutral. I never understand why someone running for president has to tell the Jews what they going to do for Israel i. I guess the Jews run this country after all. after all, I sympathize for the Jews and the Palestinians and I hope they achieve peace one day, not in my life time.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 01/02/2009 1:28:04 PM

      I agree with much of what you say. Just don't ruin your credibility with statements like "the Jews run America".

      • Posted By: tired and old @ 01/03/2009 12:52:37 PM

        ON THE CONTRARY PLEASE SAY THE JEWS RULE THE WORLD.

        THATS WHAT HITLER AND OTHERS CLAIMED; THIS JUSTIFIED THEIR HOLOCAUST ACTS.

        LET THOSE WHO ANTI-SEMITIC PEOPLE SHOW THEIR TRUE COLORS; UNLIKE HAMAS, WHO HIDE AMONG THE POPULATION LIKE THE COWARDS THAT THEY ARE.

  • Posted By: darincoveyjc@cox.net @ 12/31/2008 12:03:16 PM

    Question For the pro Palestinians. What should israel do to stop the rockets ?

    • Posted By: ScienceProf @ 12/31/2008 2:26:40 PM

      Begin a transparent, fair dialog with the Palestinians to FINALLY adopt a 2 state policy with all haste.

      It may be the "promised land" to Israelis - at least some of them - but the now "occupied territories" are what remains of the UN accord dividing Palestine in roughly half.

      Nothing the Palestinians have done since permits ignoring that VITAL point.

      If Israel wants to continue to call itself a USA ally, do something to lessen the burden on that ally.

      There is nothing but the "settler mentality" holding up a 2 state system.

      While Palestinians languish, Israelis bemoan the sacrifices they've made to make peace with its surrounded neighbors.

      Time to stop whining and gnashing teeth and getting on with it.

      Americans in growing numbers are fed up with the unabashed mendacity and arrogance of Israel.

      I dearly hope that Barak Obama can insist that our allies cooperate with us - not depend on us to cover them as they destroy their neighbors at the rate of 100 to 1.

      You can no longer depend on the mindless compassion of the stupid Americans.

      Alternative? As we did the Mujehedin in Afghanistan against the Russians, and the Iraqis against the Iranians, we can supply everything necessary to the willing Palestinians (Hamas) to bring you to heel.

      WE OWE YOU NOTHING!!

      WE NEVER DID!!

      • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/03/2009 12:32:01 AM

        "Begin a transparent, fair dialog with the Palestinians to FINALLY adopt a 2 state policy with all haste."

        Do you mean like the Oslo Accords? (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords), which, btw, Hamas rejected because it refuses to recognize Israel's existence.

        Or how about the 2000 Camp David Summit? (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_2000_Summit), which offered 73% of Gaza and all the West Bank immediately, extended to 91% (94% excluding Jerusalem). FYI - Arafat rejected that one without a counter-offer.

        In the interest of fairness, I am happy to mention Israeli's refusal to recognize the right of return of the Palestinian refugees, which they KNOW is a deal breaker, and which the U.S. (under Bill Clinton anyway) desperately tried to get them to accept.

        Bottom line is that your claims for the moral high ground are like A-holes .... everybody's got one and they all stink.

        Which, once again, brings me back to my main point:

        Cry me a river about how many people are suffering. They BOTH wanted this war, BOTH are getting exactly what they deserve. Stop the fighting and I (as well as many others) will happily support BOTH SIDES.

        Love,
        JM

        • Posted By: ScienceProf @ 01/03/2009 10:16:48 AM

          Clinton's attempt at some sort of legacy brought an Israeli proposal that was WORSE than the existing conditions. It would have set up many more 'road blocks' and limited the roadways available for Palestinian transit severely.

          Arafat left the finl conference in tears that his last best shot at a peaceful resolution was simply used as n excuse for the Israelis to impose more stringent controls of the Palestinians.

          Some of us are well aware of Israel's behavior: it is odious in the extreme - promising the moon, until you get down to the details at which one sees "there is no there, there".

          The resolution to the ceaseless conflict will be exactly the same source as the original partitioning of Palestine in 1948, CREATING Israel: an IMPOSED UN solution, only this time with UN-led troops on the ground to ensure its provisions are not altereed.

          Israel is a UN creature; it should have been under UN control from the get-go.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 12/29/2008 3:42:20 PM

    And from Obama, the Golden Calf, silence.

    • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 12/29/2008 4:13:42 PM

      Get used to it josemarti; that's how Dem Presidents deal with turmoil - SILENCE. Remember Clinton's response, or actually complete lack thereof, to the USS Cole bombing? That's how Dems take care of business - pathetic.

      • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/03/2009 1:53:34 AM

        Let's see, who are the only U.S. presidents to ever get the two sides to sit down at the same table and talk?

        A. Jimmy Carter
        B. Bill Clinton
        C. All of the above


        And which "silent" party did they belong too?


        Love,
        JM

      • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/29/2008 4:22:29 PM

        "Get used to it josemarti; that's how Dem Presidents deal with turmoil - SILENCE."

        Yes, that's why FDR kept America out of WWII, and the Germans and the Japanese won.

        • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 12/29/2008 5:07:30 PM

          Don't even compare FDR to Clinton or Obama. That's a slap in the face to FDR. I'm talking about the Dems of now, the smooth talkers that avoid battles at all costs, even when it means stomping on their own military's pride to do so.

          • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/30/2008 12:06:29 PM

            "Don't even compare FDR to Clinton or Obama."

            I wouldn't compare Clinton to FDR. It's too soon to tell about Obama.

          • Posted By: dasroyale @ 12/30/2008 9:23:29 AM

            Well, for one thing, Obama isn't president yet. He has said it himself through his spokesman: "There cannot be two presidents in the US of A." So who's the president that should be saying something? It's Bush. And what the hell is his stance? "Hamas, stop firing rockets. Israel, avoid from killing civilians." BRILLIANT. That's how Republicans take care of business, short of slapping a 48-hour deadline to a country to "give up its terrorists" otherwise suffer the consequences of a shoddy invasion.

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/29/2008 4:08:58 PM

      Obama isn't your president yet.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 12/29/2008 4:25:29 PM

    We need to find a common enemy of Palestine and Israel of such a dimension that if they don't join together to defeat that enemy, then they will both be in danger of perishing.
    It would be something like, say, a stubborn inability to get along. That may just be their common enemy. Whatever it is, they better start fighting it before long or the jig is up.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/03/2009 1:50:39 AM

      Maybe somebody should fake an alien invasion that kills a million people and spurs the world to unite...


      Sorry, that was "The Watchmen"....
      (and only slightly less realistic than your proposal)

      Love,
      JM

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/29/2008 4:33:50 PM

      America could send her rednecks.

  • Posted By: Adil Al-Baghdadi @ 12/29/2008 4:39:58 PM

    I fully agree with the writer's conclusion. Israel has lost the media battle becuase nothing can justify the killing of innocent people. The imgage of dead children is far far stronger and more blitzing than any of Israel's US made heavy bombs. Israel is morally defeated if not dead altogether.

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/29/2008 4:44:54 PM

      "Israel has lost the media battle becuase nothing can justify the killing of innocent people. "

      Unless it's Hamas doing it, right?

      • Posted By: Adil Al-Baghdadi @ 12/29/2008 4:58:02 PM

        Hamas has been made nd proped by Israel to rival the PLO, so please dont tell me how bad Hamas is becuase Israel and its first class war criminals are jut as bad as Hamas and their fanatic Mulsim leaders. The question is can Israel justify its crimes when the number of dead is 1000 to 1. Read about what contitutes war crimes, and yes in case you wonder Hamas haa also committed war crimes but the ratio is higher when it comes to Israel inflicting retaliatory strikes. One wonders if Israel aim is to reduce the size of Palestinians rather than the terror Hamas is exacting on Israel for its crimes against humanity.

        • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/03/2009 1:48:36 AM

          "please dont tell me how bad Hamas is becuase Israel and its first class war criminals are jut as bad as Hamas and their fanatic Mulsim leaders"

          The old "sure we're stoopid but they're stoopider!" argument....


          one of my faves.


          Love,
          JM

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 12/29/2008 5:09:31 PM

          In war, which is what Hamas has started, one does not compare casualties. Such arguments are pointless.

          • Posted By: Adil Al-Baghdadi @ 12/29/2008 6:56:27 PM

            It's not pointless because Israel brag about the casualties it has suffered and want to milk the world for sympathy and money but who is killing more. Any one with elemntary knowledge of maths knows that the one who has more weapons and military mights and who kills more is the aggressor. Learn Maths

            • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/30/2008 12:05:12 PM

              Who broke the cease fire?

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 12/29/2008 9:36:01 PM

    Oh Barack. Oh Golden Calf. Speak.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/03/2009 1:39:59 AM

      You think the president-elect is a "Golden Calf", meaning an idol to be worshipped?

      Wow.

      I feel sorry for you.

      Love,
      JM

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 12/30/2008 3:39:30 AM

    Israel did not have any strategic consideration when bombing the Palestinians and in mobilizing the ground forces because it can never wipe out Hamas, they (Hamas) will just shift around. Israel has never and would never succumb to international pressure.The whole world can condemn Israel and produce a three foot thick documents on its condemnation, Israel will never budge. Al Jazera and the entire world media can show all the horrendous results of the Israel actions, Israel would never give up.The only reason that Israel is bombing and attacking the Gaza strip now is to dispose off the bombs and weapons which are nearing their expiry dates. Israel also needs the storage space for the new bombs and weapons supplied by the US.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 12/31/2008 10:23:37 PM

      I agree that Israel can never completely destroy Hamas, but perhaps it can get the Palestinian people to realize that Hamas is not in their best interests. The rest of your post is just silly.

      • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/03/2009 1:37:56 AM

        "perhaps it can get the Palestinian people to realize that Hamas is not in their best interests."

        Now who's being silly?

        Airstrikes just don't work. They didn't work against the British in WWII. They didn't work against the North Vietnamese in vietnam. They didn't even work against Serbia (it took UN forces ON THE GROUND to enforce the peace).

        The only thing that works is a sustained ground offensive which destroys (and prevents from being rebuilt) a society's ability to wage war.

        Israel cannot accomplish this without ruining their civilian economy and they know it.

        So all they're really doing is creating yet another generation of pissed off folks.

        You can defend Israel all you want....it's your perogative, but don't fool yourself into thinking this war will accomplish anything or that Israel is not equally responsible for the mess they helped create.

        Love,

        JM

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