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  • Posted By: DKing69 @ 12/30/2008 11:21:00 PM

    you are a idiotic camel jockey, bajan man
    What has Arab 'civilization' contributed to the advancement of this world in the last 1000 years?
    Any Nobel prizes? Nope
    Any scientific breakthroughs? Nope
    Any form of democratic rule in any Arab nation? Nope

    You are pathetic
    When your Arab mothers finally learn to teach their children that it is better to love others than to kill
    is when we might have peace in this world

    Best of luck, loser

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 12/30/2008 11:30:46 PM

      Arafat got nobel price.

  • Posted By: bajan man @ 12/30/2008 10:49:20 PM

    The Geneva Convention as well as the UN Charter have resolution that say in effect: land acquired through war cannot be retained. The object was to discourage war. LIke other US Resolutions, 242 for instance, the Jews have ignored this Resolution, yet they constantly complained before their last invasion of Palestine, that the Palestinians did not abide by UN Resolutions; Bush, of course, supported the perverse views.

  • Posted By: ross1972 @ 12/30/2008 10:39:52 PM

    Launching attacks from the most densely populated area on earth and screaming that civilians were hit in the retaliation is also absurd.

  • Posted By: sound off @ 12/30/2008 10:39:26 PM

    One of the most important factors not being exposed ( by the World Administrators or World Media ) in the Middle East equation IS THE KEEPING OF MILITARY GAINED LAND. One wonders is there a new accepted Rule trying to be forged into the World. Who will be next to fall under this new Rule ??. Saudi Arabia , Kuwaiti , Libya, Iran, Siberia, There land is worth much more. It is time for everyone( Word Leaders ) to really take time to evaluate and dictate exactly what Rules will be applied and enforced.

  • Posted By: bajan man @ 12/30/2008 10:37:56 PM

    The monstrous conduct of the Zionists in their cruel treatment of the Palestinians in general and the Gazans in particular is nothing less cruel and inhuman. The Zionists claim that they are responding to attacks on them by Hamas. That lie is transparent; the Zionists have killed over 135 Palestinians before this current slaughter. The Zionist government of Israel is the only so-called nation on the face of the earth that utilizes murder as an integral component of its foreign policy - its so-called selective assassinations. The Zionists do everything possible to insure the misery of the population of Gaza: All borders are sealed off, land as well as sea. Often vital supplies are restricted: food, water, fuel. Their apartheid wall insures the complete restriction of their movement and they are subject to the miserable humiliation of having to wait in long lines for hours in rain, boiling sun and other horrible conditions in order to pass through the Zionist-controlled check point.

    Both Carter and Mandela have written about the atrocious policies of the Zionists, all to no avail. Sadly, it makes on look forward to the day when Ahmadinejad can keep his promise to erase Israel from the face of the earth. These people are implementing the kind of treatment on these people that compares to their own treatment by the Nazis. They should look into their own history before it is too late.

  • Posted By: bajan man @ 12/30/2008 10:35:19 PM

    The monstrous conduct of the Zionists in their cruel treatment of the Palestinians in general and the Gazans in particular is nothing less cruel and inhuman. The Zionists claim that they are responding to attacks on them by Hamas. That lie is transparent; the Zionists have killed over 135 Palestinians before this current slaughter. The Zionist government of Israel is the only so-called nation on the face of the earth that utilizes murder as an integral component of its foreign policy - its so-called selective assassinations. The Zionists do everything possible to insure the misery of the population of Gaza: All borders are sealed off, land as well as sea. Often vital supplies are restricted: food, water, fuel. Their apartheid wall insures the complete restriction of their movement and they are subject to the miserable humiliation of having to wait in long lines for hours in rain, boiling sun and other horrible conditions in order to pass through the Zionist-controlled check point.

    Both Carter and Mandela have written about the atrocious policies of the Zionists, all to no avail. Sadly, it makes on look forward to the day when Ahmadinejad can keep his promise to erase Israel from the face of the earth. These people are implementing the kind of treatment on these people that compares to their own treatment by the Nazis. They should look into their own history before it is too late. To bomb one of the densest populations in the world killing many civilians and then claim they did not intend to kill civilians is patently absurd.

  • Posted By: kringleklaus @ 12/30/2008 2:24:47 PM

    You are wrong Hasan. we do care. But why should we? You cheered in the streets after 9/11. Your "government" launches rockets at another state and then you cry becauise they retaliate. Perhaps the education Hamas is providing you is inferior. In America I learned at a very young age if you throw rocks at someone they may just come and kick your butts. Here is a clue for you all. Stop launcihing rockets. DUH. It really is simple.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 12/30/2008 6:29:49 PM

      There were cheers on the streets of New York City on 9/11, but it wasn't Arabs who were cheering. It was five Israelis. They were seen dancing and celebrating while watching the twin towers burning. The van belonged to a Mossad front company called Urban Moving Systems. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was pulled over, and five Israelis: Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari, all between 22 and 27 years old, were arrested at gunpoint. One had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock while another carried two foreign passports. Box cutters were found in the van. Nothing happened to them. They went back to Israel, where at least three of them appeared on TV as some kind of Israeli national heroes.

      • Posted By: lionssmile @ 12/30/2008 10:16:16 PM

        Oh yeah I forgot some people are still determined to blame 9/11 on Jews even after Bin Laden took credit for it and it was determined that the murderers were mostly from Saudi Arabia.

  • Posted By: alkinsb @ 12/30/2008 5:01:02 PM

    Israel is the most hated nation on earth. This is not my opinion, but a fact based on many independent survey polls of the world's population. The US is the second most hated nation on earth. Why, mainly because of our totally biased support of the most hated nation on earth.

    The rest of the world understands the game Israel is playing in order to reach their ultimate goal of inhabiting Palestinian territory that Israel feels belongs to them. The walls, the continuously expanding settlements, the blockades, the checkpoints, the constant threat and presence of the Army which is needed to protect the Jews in the settlements, the take over of resources, etc, etc. It's very clear to anyone, who can think without prejudice, what the game plan is.

    We, in this country, are not smart enough to realize the truth about what is really going on in the Middle East. This is because our Middle East policy is decided by the Jewish Neocons who control the State Department and then sold to us by the Jewish dominated media. Because they are Jewish, their interests in the success of Israel outweigh what is best for the US. We don't get the real facts and are too stupid to know we are being manipulated.

    Anyone, including ourselves, would carry out the same desperate acts of violence if forced to live in the oppressed conditions the Palestinians are forced to endure by Israel. But it's all part of the strategy to find excuses to keep the conflict going until they, Israel, gets what it wants. Once they have achieved their goals, they will be running to the peace table. Until then, they don't want it and it will never happen until the US adapts a fair and balanced policy. I'm hoping Mr. Obama is brave enough to act more fairly

    • Posted By: lionssmile @ 12/30/2008 10:06:31 PM

      I agree about the Israeli land grab, it is wrong. The Israeli settlers should be forced out, period! But that is absolutely no excuse for Hamas or any other group who wants to destroy Israel. These people deserve no sympathy when they are attacked by the people they are hell bent on destroying. If they would but just say that Israel had a right to exist then the rest of the world would be able to get behind them and demand that Israel give the Palestinians what they need. That Israel treats the Palestinians badly is not lost on me but seeing how much hatred shown the Israelis by the Palestinians it is hard for me to show them any sympathy for the wrongs committed against them.

      For all this to end all they have to do is say Israel has a right to exist and the world would see to it that Israel treats them with the same respect.

  • Posted By: zzyx @ 12/30/2008 9:53:49 PM

    How can Americans claim moral superiority when it was Israel who started this war by occupying already occupied lands?
    If the Palestinian side got help as good as what Israel is getting from the US, would we insist on defending them? Why? I just don???t understand these religious obsessions and what is making this country commit itself so much to the existence of a belligerent pet-state.

  • Posted By: bighappy @ 12/30/2008 9:48:36 PM

    Palestinian people, don't worry, your faforite Hamas and its lovely leaders will survive this storm. Those pitiful dovish Israel leaders started it only wit one purpose - to survive the coming elections. They need you to calm down for couple months, and when grateful Israeli citizen re-elect their parties - they will resume their traterous politics, that it bribing terrorists. They show "restrain" on every step, such as warn your leader to go to bunkers before bombing their houses and goverment buildings. Even 300+ dead Hamas fighters was big surprise for them - who could think that Hamas was so reckless with their rockets, and huge secondary explosions woul;d kill so many terrorists and few civilians around? Don't worry, whatever they say - there will not be decisive ground invasion, it is only for show. As soon as Hamas gets the mesage and agrees for truce for few months and fire only couple rockets a day - everything will come back.
    But in 3 months.. Israeli voters will not let fool them again, bring Likud to power, amd then Allah help ypu.

  • Posted By: ross1972 @ 12/30/2008 9:36:49 PM

    Gazans elected and love Hamas which has been deemed to be a terrorist group by just about every nation on earth.This terrorist group is using the most densely populated area on the planet to launch and sustain attacks on a very powerful neighbour.What happens next is not rocket(qassam)science.

  • Posted By: Tabi @ 12/30/2008 9:33:12 PM

    The UN is a pathetic organization. People may praise it from time to time or talk about how it is important to listen to it--but all of that really deals with the ideal of the organization. Just look at Newsweek's top 50 most powerful people: the UN doesn't even get a nod.

    The civilians in Gaza deserve to be hit so long as they stand behind an organization that plans to hide behind them while attacking their much more powerful neighbor. The Hamas strategy for defending their people has for a long time been to rely on Israeli forbearance. That's not a strategy deserving of respect.

  • Posted By: jimv960 @ 12/30/2008 5:54:25 PM

    What I find so mysterious is the unending restraint the Israeli
    armed forces have shown. If the Mexican government decided
    it was entitled to lob explosives from Tijuana into the San Diego
    metro area,then I'm sure the Americans would show similar
    restraint ----- for as long as it took for their command&control net
    to issue/authenticate orders and release weapons that readers
    of these words could only think they can imagine.

    We've all grown up in 8 years.We will no longer sit in our seats
    while 19 pathetic losers cut our throats. Palestine cheered. We
    will never,ever,EVER forget that.
    All these protestations sound like Saddam Hussein's "They
    bomb baby's milk factory!". No, we bomb MURDERERS, who happen
    to be hiding behind "baby's milk", or religious buildings, or women.
    He ended up at the end of a noose,with his people snapping cellphone
    pics as the rope snapped his neck.
    You have chosen Hamas.Now live with the consequences. You want to
    blow up teenagers at pizza parties in Israel? Women in shopping malls?
    Fine.But don't expect outrage from the world when you face the
    consequences of your COLLECTIVE SHAMEFUL DISHONOR.
    You want outrage from me, an average American?

    I turn my back on you.

    • Posted By: alkinsb @ 12/30/2008 8:09:56 PM

      We are not oppressing the Mexicans. If we were, they would fire rockets at us.

      • Posted By: bighappy @ 12/30/2008 9:28:17 PM

        50% of Mexican "land grab" 150 years ago, border patrols - it is oppression, dude. What the strange Mexican people, they still have not fired a single rocket.

  • Posted By: allenj01 @ 12/30/2008 8:47:58 PM

    The israelis have to get out of the west bank settlements and the palestinians have to accept the 95 percent solution that afafat rejected. In the meantime if hamas continues to fire rockets into israel then they have to expect that at some point israel is going to retaliate. it is true that attacks should not be made against the general population, but by the same token bomb making facilities, weapons storage sites, and rocket launches should not be made using the civilian population as a shield.

  • Posted By: zivo24 @ 12/30/2008 5:41:45 PM

    alkinsb,

    Do you own any history books? Are you able to google the history of Palestine?

    If you did you would know that what you wrote is factually inaccurate.

    The Arabs of the region were given their own country sixty years ago when the U.N. partitioned the former British mandate of Palestine into two nations - one for the jews and one for the arab muslims.

    Do you know that neither the Arabs or Jews were in control of the region for more than 300 years prior to 1947? The land was ruled by the Ottoman Turks from the 1600's until 1917 when they lost it in WWI to Great Britian who ruled it until they ceded it after WWII.

    Both Jews and Arab muslims have ancient ancestral ties to the land. It is the homeland of both groups. To be frank, it should be noted that most natives of the region, jew or Arab, have common ancestors.

    The U.N. partitioned the land between the two groups - giving each it's own nation. The arabs who had lived beside jewish neighbors for centuries under Turkish or British rule reticently refused to accept the jews having control over a piece of the land..they wanted it all for themselves.

    They chose war when they could have opted for peace.

    They could have spent the last 60 years building homes, communities, school and universities, a stable economy and a srong infrastructure.

    It always astounds me to read posts like yours from people who assume that Israel is bent on "inhabiting Palestinian terrotiory".

    cont..



    • Posted By: alkinsb @ 12/30/2008 8:08:34 PM

      As I said, many in Isreal strongly believe the land currently inhabited by Palestinians belongs to them for biblical reasons. And these people are the ones primarily creating the settlements. There is nothing false about one word of my statement. We can argue history forever with no clear outcome. I simply said that Jews are settling on land currently inhabited by Palestinians which is rightfully theirs according to the UN resolutionof 1947. These are the simple facts you can not twist around to make your ridiculous arguement. Just because they were not able to make the most productive use of the land is no excuse to take it over. By the way, it has been called Palestine for the last 2000 years.

  • Posted By: HStowell @ 12/30/2008 7:02:39 PM

    An interesting perspective and we certainly have to feel some sorrow for the Palestinians trapped in this fighting. However it appears that Newsweek wants us to only feel sorry for the Palestinians and not the innocent Israelis that have suffered from attacks. While I feel empathy for the Palestinians I also realize that it has been the people the Palestinian people have placed into power or allowed to remain in power that have consistently refused to recognize Israel's right to exist and negotiate with them in earnest. How could right thinking persons ever place an organization like Hamas in power? This conflict will never end until the Palestinians put into power a government who will negotiate in earnest. Israel has offered many concessions in the past only to have their hand bitten.

  • Posted By: rrobeson @ 12/30/2008 3:06:44 PM

    I am not Jewish, nor a sympathizer, but I can only view this by analogy. If Cuban 'civilians' had elected a government which advertised that the USA shouldn't exist and started shooting SCUD missiles randomly into Florida, I wouldn't care about anything but completely crushing the population (and government) of Cuba. The fact that Israel is disproportionally stronger than Gaza simply shows how stupid the Gazan government (Hamas) is, not how smart/stupid or evil Israel is. There are no non-combatants in Gaza. The Palestenians elected their government who started the shooting and broke the truce. The citizens who elected them are simply reaping what they have sown. There are no 'innocents' here, except perhaps the children who always pay for their parents' mistakes.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 12/30/2008 5:03:22 PM

      The analogy is flawed. The USA does not hold Cuba and all Cubans, in a virtual prison, controlling all their borders and air space, for 45 years, and attacking Cuba to assassinate its nationalist leaders whenever we want. Israel does all those things to the Palestinians of Gaza....who DROVE many of them off their own lands in 1947-48, and into the ghetto where 1 and a half million of them now live. If the USA had done all these things to Cuba, perhaps even YOU would understand why, when the Cubans did whatever they could to hit us back. Then again, perhaps you wouldn't.

      • Posted By: rrobeson @ 12/30/2008 6:21:07 PM

        Also a better analogy for the followers of Allah to consider is that of Mohandas Gandhi. At that time, England had complete control of India. He could of advocated a violent overthrow of the oppressor England (like the Islamic Terrorists do with Israel and the US and Europe and ...), but he advocated a peaceful solution. He probably would have been beheaded too by followers of the Koran but his way worked (at least for Indians) for those considered to be infidels by the followers of Mohammed. If followers of Islam want to grow and thrive, they really need to consider that adapting to the laws of man and nature not be considered a sin worthy of death. Let us all hope and pray that they do not all collectively choose the next world over this one (i.e. intifida) in their zeal to protect the belief of their spiritual reality at the costs of everyone else's freedom and liberty.




      • Posted By: rrobeson @ 12/30/2008 6:07:05 PM

        While the analogy is not exactly the same, it is similar. The USA has had it's collective foot on Cuba's neck for decades, stifling trade and its economy in defense of our interests against those that openly and collectively profess to hate us. If you believe the propoganda, the USA has tried to assassinate, or undermine, Cuba's leaders for years. So yes it is similar. The difference is the religion most Cuban's believe in does not revolve 100% around killing themselves in order to propogate their God-belief. Not surprisingly, they also allow their children to be educated in something other than the wanderings of an individual who lived during a time when everyone still thought the world was flat. Most of the world grew up, the few remaining (i.e. the islamists) feel their God doesn't allow them to grow up or learn anything greater than Mohammed knew during his age. Such 'new' learning would be considered a sin worthy of beheading (of the alpha male and his entire family). The past is perfection, the present must be destroyed, there is no future other than death. It's really, really hard to find a realistic peace with this kind of thinking.

  • Posted By: Spock Jenkins @ 12/30/2008 1:42:12 PM

    We care. Sounds like a faction of your fellow Gaza inhabitants perhaps don't want peace (just as a faction of Israelis perhaps don't want peace). The key is getting all the peace-orientated people in charge of policy. If that feels unlikely to you in your lifetime, I would encourage you to find a life elsewhere -- let the war-mongers have their war, keep yourself and family safe. If you feel it is still possible to achieve peace, I would encourage you to stay and fight the good fight to get peaceful views heard and implemented. In either case, I wish you the best of luck.

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/30/2008 1:45:39 PM

      "Sounds like a faction of your fellow Gaza inhabitants perhaps don't want peace"

      And that faction is Hamas, which also happens to be their democratically elected leadership.

      So whose fault is this, again?

      • Posted By: Marinegrunti39 @ 12/30/2008 4:21:11 PM

        Who fault is it? Israel! for underming Abbas, by not removing the 560 check points throught out the west bank whic is making life misarable for palestinians that need to travel for work, school or just visit family members.Also, the continuing expansion of jewish settlement, home demolitions, assassination of Palestinian leaders and the apethy wall that is cutting into 10% of palestinian land instead on israel 67 borders. We built a fence between mexico and the USA but we built on our land not on Mexico

        • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/30/2008 4:32:03 PM

          "Who fault is it? Israel! "

          Who broke the cease fire?

          • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 12/30/2008 6:17:37 PM

            There never was an ISRAELI cease-fire. The Palestinians...Hamas... declared and honored a ceasef-re for months, but the Israelis NEVER stopped assassinating, shooting, raiding, bombing or shelling during the entire time. It was a ceasefire only for the Palestinians... so "who broke it" is an irrelevant question?

  • Posted By: zivo24 @ 12/30/2008 5:42:16 PM

    ....cont.

    A little history lesson is in order.

    The Arab peoples in the region in 1947-48 chose to heed the commands of the leaders of Trans-Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Lebanon when they told them to leave their homes while their combined armies "drive the jews into the sea".

    Do you get that sir?

    They were complying with plans to commit genocide.

    Where is your outrage about that?

    The arab countries lost the war they started with the infant nation of Israel and the land that had been designated as the arab nation in Palestine.



    There are prices to be paid for war when you lose and theirs was the loss of the lands. If the war had gone the other way, Israel would not exist today and you can be sure that the Arabs would never have given them a foot of land to live on...as Israel did when they cede Gaza..not once but twice to the Arabs in exchange for promises of peace that have yet to be fulfilled.

    Those displaced arabs were never allowed to settle in the countries they evactuated to. They languished in refugee camps for decades..and for generations...because the leaders of those countries refused to accept them into their populations because they wanted them to live as martyrs to their causes. They wouldn't help those people build permanent homes, schools or hospitals but they went to great lengths to school them to blame all their woes and miseries on the jews, Israel and the U.S.

    You saw in this man's story above the vile methods that Hamas resorts to. He was worried that Hamas would fire missiles at Israel from near his home...making it a target. This is what Hamas does. They fire missle from schoolyards and hospitals, daring Israel to attack their armaments in those locations so that they can use the civilian casualties in the propaganda campaigns.

    I do feel great empathy for the Palestinian people because they have been human pawns for six decades and at least 3 generations. They have been used by the rulers and leaders of Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, the PLO, Hamas, etc. They are paying the price for other people's political agendas and greed for power.

    They will never know peace or have any security until they rid themselves of the shackles of the oppression that groups like Hamas have put on them.. Shackles made of chains of hate.

    Golda Meri said it best, "There will be no peace in the Middle East until the Arabs love their children more than they hate us.:

    Truer words have never been spoken.

  • Posted By: Urbo @ 12/30/2008 5:36:11 PM

    It is a shame that human emotion can so powerfully cloud reason. I find it tragically sad for both sides when people, who have legitimate feelings, are unable to separate direct cause and effect logic and are willing to perpetuate an eternity of conflict. Of course the side that this is more characteristic of will not recognize themselves.

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