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We’re In For Stormy Weather

Overshadowed by the economic headlines, serious climate trouble looms ahead.

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  • Posted By: BADEN @ 01/23/2009 4:28:38 PM

    Dear varacefan,
    You admire our intentions but you say we are no going to save the planet. So who is goingo to save? The aliens from Mars???
    You sound like those people who want to live in a clean street but everyday throw your trash in the street instead in the garbage can. You are just a lazy bastard.
    It doesn´t take too much intelect to realize that the envinroment is breaking down....just look around.

  • Posted By: varacefan @ 01/07/2009 1:21:33 PM

    OMG, You guys are willing to do anything to be heard and taken serious. Myself and 80% of America are tired of hearing these gloom and doom stories about how the world is about to come to an end. I know, I know, you and your friends are really worried about the future of our planet. I understand and know you mean well. The thing is you can present all the data you want and sound all the alarms you can but the world population in large part will not believe you. I know you think we are just stupid. We are not! I for one do not and will not ever buy into these dooms day predictions. Is it because I have always tried to be a positive person? Maybe Bottom line is I nor most others are willing to go back to living in the dark ages to make you and peole who believe like you feel better and more positive about youself. I am a good steward of the land and believe in many of the things you do but to expect people in mases to buy on to the planet is dieing movement is just not going to happen. Again I admire your intentions but I wish for you a better quality of life without thinking you can save the planet.

  • Posted By: jh35180 @ 01/06/2009 5:22:17 PM

    I don't know how much "real" science can back up global warming. There is probably a lot of propaganda on both sides. Granted, we do need to look for alternative sources of energy because common sense, not hysteria, should neccesitate this.

  • Posted By: Libricrat @ 01/05/2009 10:34:47 AM

    The tit for tat argument about global warming being real or hype will not end anytime soon. No real changes in co2 producing activities will happen anytime soon either. The global economy is simply too dependent on the transportation that is fueled by oil. Any real action by any of our global leaders to change this would be political suicide.
    Two facts are important to note here. Humans will not change their behavior until personal hardship or pain motivates them to do so. For the forseeable future, people are not going to give up their SUVs and big screen TVs, etc. Mother Nature, over time, has a way to even things out and maintain a certain equilibrium. The pink elephant sitting in the corner of the room that noone seems to be mentioning is overpopulation. What strikes me out of this conversation is the comment from Interested Scientist about the world population doubling in his lifetime. If we have indeed gone from a global population of 3 to 6 billion in a lifetime, that to me is the biggest red flag. The earth simply does not have enough resouces to sustain that kind of population growth. I would expect a some population correcting catastrophe/catastrophies sooner rather that later. Definitely within the lifetime of us thirty somethings.

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 01/05/2009 11:49:19 AM

      I wish it could be today.

  • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 01/05/2009 10:04:53 AM

    The climate is changing and mankind has nothing to do with it. Only sheep think different. Of course the well paid hacks will say what ever they need to in order to continue to get funding (most money stolen from taxpayers).

    We need to get rid of about five billion parasites from this Earth anyway.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 12/30/2008 7:46:36 PM

    People need to realize that the earth was lonely without people. We came and gave the earth a lot of good company. In exchange for all the good company, the earth gives us its bounty. In giving us its bounty, the earth uses itself up for us. We are not despoiling the earth. It is giving of itself so that we may be happy. It is the same with the human condition. We are lonely. We have children to give us company. In return for that, we use ourselves up to provide for our children. It is all symbiotic. One day the earth will die happy because it gave us all of its youth and beauty. Try not to say that we are despoiling earth any more than you would condemn your children for your ills and infirmities.
    The earth may not last too much longer because it has more and more of us to please. Enjoy this. The earth wants you to be happy. There is no charge for this information. Enjoy it for what it is worth. Just what you paid for it.

  • Posted By: Jayfish1 @ 01/03/2009 5:50:11 AM

    He's wrong from the get-go. Carbon Dioxide is NOT the "leading" greenhouse gas. It's a minor greenhouse gas. Water vapor is by far the leading greenhouse gas..

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 01/03/2009 1:07:36 PM

      Oh yes, that dreaded killer, water vapor. Oh, the humanity!

  • Posted By: pmcs @ 01/02/2009 12:55:02 PM

    Make-or-break time

    The violent weather sees no national borders, no colors and no politics, and no rich or poor. It strikes indiscrimately. It strikes hard. It leaves lasting scars and ruins. And the cycle of destruction may feed on itself. An out-of-control positive feedback. Destroyed forests, destroyed habitats, molten ice sheets enhancing absorption of sun light by ten folds, etc.

    The local climate change is already clear. The vastly increased snow and rain falls. The vastly increased violent wind speeds. etc. etc.

    Mr.Ban, I hope your leadership can move some of the stubborn political leaders. Once Bush is gone, hopely others will be more cooperative.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 01/02/2009 3:10:18 PM

      Have you always spread hysteria, or is this something new for you?

      • Posted By: pmcs @ 01/02/2009 10:16:46 PM

        bumbos like you wake up in the hell wondering what happened. Dumb folks like you have no ability to think

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 01/03/2009 1:06:42 PM

          And lemmiings like you believe every bit of nonsense you hear from left-wing news organizations with an agenda. How stupid can you possibly be?

  • Posted By: kjhammer @ 12/31/2008 2:14:58 AM

    We are being told, that yes, the last few years have been cooler and the next few years may well be cooler. BUT THEN it's going to get real hot real fast!
    If so much effort and money wasn't being wasted it would be funny.

    • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 12/31/2008 9:47:26 AM

      global warming doesnt mean its going to be hotter every year. it means a world wide shift in climate

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 01/02/2009 4:38:01 PM

        And this change in definition no doubt happened after last year's harsh winters in North America and Europe, no?
        How can you buy into this rot?

  • Posted By: rmays @ 12/31/2008 1:54:24 PM

    Saying humans cause climate change and dismissing the evidence to the contrary does not make it true. You must prove that a climate change has a cause and effect relationship with humanity. I challenge anyone to do so. Can you present a single provable fact, without calling me names, that any relation exists between humanity and a change in global climate????

    • Posted By: Jabbo @ 12/31/2008 9:20:39 PM

      The "proof" exists in what amounts to mountains of data such as the soon to be published study by the Scripps Institution of Oceanography - a huge effort that involved millions of observations of temperature and other physical conditions of the earth's oceans. There will never be the kind of "proof" that you look for much as there has never been "proof" that smoking causes cancer. This is, however, moot for at least a few years, probably many more and perhaps, hopefully, forever based on changing demographics (that you probably don't believe either) because the boobs are no longer in charge. To say that there is "no proof" when there is so much data readily available for review, simply proves you are a dupe of the paid mouth pieces mentioned earlier and make no real effort to examine said data.

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 01/02/2009 4:35:43 PM

        Wow, you failed on both fronts. First, you presented no evidence (sorry, a "soon to be published" article just doesn't cut it, and second, you quickly de-evolved into name calling; just like rmays predicted you would!

        You are two for two, douchebag.

  • Posted By: jakeschmidt1 @ 01/02/2009 12:25:27 PM

    We accomplished what we really needed to in Poland to lay the foundation for the hard work in 2009 of getting a strong international agreement, but we still have a lot of work left (as I discuss here: http://tinyurl.com/poland-outcomes).

    The Chair of the group tasked with coming up with new commitments under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change was given a mandate to begin to produce a negotiating text for the agreement. While a small step, this is an important procedural effort that will allow the negotiations to now be focused on the final agreement in Copenhagen.

    And the meeting witnessed developing countries continuing to show an emerging willingness to engage in emissions reductions. We aren't quite there yet with these signals, but we are getting closer. While not firm commitments at this point, I think these steps show a major opening when the developed countries show leadership in committing to cap their emissions and put on the table significant "performance-based" incentives.

    Will it all come together in Copenhagen? Let's hope so as the Secretary-General points out...too much is riding on our sucess!

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 01/02/2009 3:15:42 PM

      "The Chair of the group tasked with coming up with new commitments under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change was given a mandate to begin to produce a negotiating text for the agreement...." Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Further confirmation that the global warming hysteria is nothing more than lots of conferences, lots of meetings, lots of mandates from self-appointed social engineers, and most importantly, lots of blatant anti-Americanism at every turn! And all based on junk science!

      And your belief that Third-World nations will ever truly curtail their economies and cap their so-called "greenhouse emissions" is the very height of naivete on your part. Get a grip, Jake!

  • Posted By: burbank @ 12/31/2008 12:12:00 AM

    Used to be called Global Warming, now its called climate change. Why not call it what it really is...a hoax.

    • Posted By: pmcs @ 01/02/2009 1:56:04 PM

      Its because they have the same initials. G.W.

  • Posted By: pmcs @ 01/02/2009 1:00:39 PM

    The Lost 8 Years

    The lost eight years will be the most devastating legacy for Bush. Bush's stubborn refusal to do anything about the climate change in the USA, Buhs's action/inaction encouraging other national leaders to be passive/inactive in the climate change issues, ... this lost eight years will bury Bush administration in a political and historical grave forever.

    Good riddance, Bush!

  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 01/02/2009 11:12:32 AM

    Still more global warming hysteria! Last time I checked, CO2 was nothing more than plant food. Plus, we are have a cold winter with lot's of snow here in the Northern US. Oh, I forgot. When that happens, then 'global warming' suddenly changes into 'climate change'.

    What a load of nonsense. How can you lemmings buy into this?

  • Posted By: Jim1348 @ 01/01/2009 10:07:52 PM

    The argument that CO2 is a trace gas and can therefore be disregarded as a cause of temperature variations is a real howler. It could give ignorance a bad name. Fortunately our head guy starting Jan. 20 is far beyond such nonsense, though our current guy may actually agree with it, to the extent that he has given the subject any thought at all.

  • Posted By: Schwartzey @ 01/01/2009 9:49:29 PM

    When will you and other publications realize that CO2 is a trace gas and has little to do with temperature variations? Temps vary in cycles of approximately 30 years, and have been dropping for about 5 years now, but those like you are hopelessly blind to real science. Global warming has become a tenet of the eco-religious who think a butterfly is more valuable than a baby. Research and report the truth or you will eventually lose what little credibility you have left.

  • Posted By: Jim1348 @ 01/01/2009 7:27:29 PM

    With the Great Depression that W. has pushed the world into, I think we will see a reduction in CO2 shortly. I doubt he will ever get the credit he deserves for it however. The right-wingers don't even know what is happening, and the left-wingers never give credit where it is due.

  • Posted By: scarbo @ 01/01/2009 12:44:55 PM

    OK, so man caused global warming. Let's stop arguing about it and get on to solutions. So far, I haven't heard one solution which carries enough weight to turn this thing around. My solution: start shutting down coal-fired power plants. Now. I mean, if carbon emissions into the air is the problem, then the first thing we do is stop emitting. Period. Will it be hard? I suppose it will. But we can't have it both ways. Either we have a planet or power. Can't have both.

  • Posted By: Jabbo @ 12/31/2008 9:25:52 AM

    To the posters on this site telling us climate change is a rouse, to borrow a recently spoken phrase, your comments are "stunningly superficial" showing a lack of depth of knowledge. Global warming is very real and the data that supports this fact as well as man's responsibility for much of it, grows every year despite what blowhards on talk radio and a minority of corrupted scientists say. Repeating talking points handed to you from the polluters and their paid for politicians via Fox Noise and hack web sites does not make you an expert. Thank God that the ditto heads and their so called leaders are no longer in charge of this country.

    • Posted By: rmays @ 12/31/2008 5:56:25 PM

      Really? Show some proof!. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot accuse those who disagree with you superficial and lacking a depth of knowledge without presenting some, any, proof that humans cause climate change. ANY.

      • Posted By: Guard Dog 45 @ 12/31/2008 10:15:02 PM

        Ahhh....well, it is really sad when all you ask is a simple question and have no answer. But, on the eve of this New Year I will recommend that you go into the ScienceDaily,com and review a few of their very interesting, very documented articles on ANY Question you have and then come back to this site. Perhaps only then you could imput some intelligent thought on this issue about which you seem to have "no clue". I highly recommend the site , which highlights such scientific minds from a variety of intellectuals such as NASA, the CDC, FEMA and others. I trust that if articles, written by better minds, can make an impact on anyone...then there is hope for not only you, but anyone else who refuses to believe that we have a REAL PROBLEM here and you need to WAKE UP while you still can. Guard Dog 45

      • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 12/31/2008 9:05:17 PM

        People use very sloppy language sometimes. There are no proofs except in mathematics and formal logic. All propositions in science are more or less probable. This is true of any science, even physics and chemistry. That's why the use of the term "Law" has fallen into disfavor among scientists even through there are left overs from an earlier age such as Newton's Laws of Motion, or the Laws of Thermodynamics. Yes even these are probabilistic' although the probability of observing a counter example is so low as to be safely dismissed, it is not zero. Science can thus "prove" nothing, it can only support or provide evidence that something is true. If you are asking for evidence there's plenty of that; enough in fact that most of the world's community of climatic scientists conclude that global warming is occurring and its happening because of human activities. Because of the logical structure of science, however, there will never, ever be any proof.

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