We’re In For Stormy Weather

Climate changes is the responsibility of all nations...not just a few so that "everyone else" can get a free ride on their economic success. In those 3rd world countries where big $ doesn't really exist to implement many of the costly improvements, they should be looking at the small changes that they can do. It boils down to everyone can DO something,anything and that it is not the sole responsibility of a few to make this happen. Put as much time & effort into these preventive measures as you all do in "talking the issue to death" and you'll be surprised at what you come up with. Perhaps that is the way CLIMATE CHANGES should be presented in Copenhagen(& at other future forums)....if your life/the lives of just YOUR citizens were on the line, what solutions to what problems would you solve first?! The problems already exist now, stop talking about solutions and start implementing them. For those that want to keep getting in the way or putting up barriers to keep anything from really taking place....start hurting them where they will feel it most...yes, the pocketbook!! It is only 'too expensive' when you don't have enough of it, whatever "IT" is....so when there is not enough water, clean air to breathe, food to eat, shelters to withstand the environments, etc. where will these people/governments be then? They will all SUDDENLY have TIME, MONEY, and BARGAINING CHIPS available. Guard Dog 45

Here is a nice presentation from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change:
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/presentations/wg1-report-2007-02.pdf

It has some real evidence to support human caused global climate change.

Strictly speaking, there's no such thing as "proof" in experimental science, and we certainly can't run a controlled experiment with a few more Earths.

Given what's at stake, maybe the wise thing would be to go with the preponderance of evidence instead of worrying about maintaining your suburban lifestyle and having a "globally competitive" economy, which or course means competing against other economies who are also busy trashing the environment.

Stick a frog in lukewarm water and slowly start heating it up, does the frog jump out when it gets too hot? It's too bad too many people (like you) are too ignorant to see the data that scientists from all over the world are showing. Have you been reading any of this information? What are you going to do when suddenly 1 million people are on your front door since your town is the closest that has water? Do you really think that natures natural cycle of the last few thousand years is not changing now? All the data shows that nature has gone outside those normal ranges the last few decades. And you are going to say "that is normal" and it's attributable to something other than humans? Wow...you probably think the earth is flat and agreed with Bush on going into Iraq. Soon enough the world will see global changes. Don't come crying on my doorstep when it does.

There are still too many morons out there arguing that there's no evidence that people are causing climate change. People need to be educated before they'll take it seriously.

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tt is good that we can have open discussion. However, it is important that we all look objectively at our climate and world and the whole impact that we have as a species on this planet. There is no doubt that the human species has had major impact on the other species, oceans and plant and forest regions and that this will in due course alter the world. It is also important to understand that our food and available water supplies are currently stretched and will not hold up in the future. In my lifetime, the world population has doubled from 3 billion to over 6 billion people. This rapid change (incredibly rapid when compared with other species changes) that is unsupportable implies serious problem in the near future. We are not separate from nature - we are a part of it and subject to its laws. Evolution and natural selection are alive and well today and are not changed by us but change us..

What we have as our opportunity is our ability to think and predict and then act on what we think. Whether we like it or not, we have to frame our human species actions not on CO2 (which gets used as a political soccer ball) but on the bigger picture of us on the planet. Otherwise, as for other species, the great die off will commence and out of our control.

GVW.

Now we're being told ,that yes, the last few years have been cooler and the next few years may also be cooler. BUT THEN it's going to get really hot really fast! If so much effort and money wasn't being wasted, it would be funny.

So far, this year looks like we're back to the good old days of serious winters in America. Snowfall is up all over the place. Minnesota is at -35 degree including wind chill factors. Las Vegas had 6" of snow. Detroit is burried in a blizzard. But we're warming up? I don't get it.

"China has set national goals for reducing energy use ..." OMG, I hope that's not true. That would really put the world's economy in it's deepest depression. Reduce emissions of course, but NOT energy consumption or production. That will put the planet in the dark ages. (No pun intended)