The title of the article is wrong. Islam is perfect, however, Muslims need fixing. Like everyone else. The article should say, To Fix Muslims.
The title of the article is wrong. Islam is perfect, however, Muslims need fixing. Like everyone else. The article should say, To Fix Muslims.
Agreed.
Yes, Islam is perfect, perfect horrible. I can not respect something so unworthy of respect.
I know of no nation or religion that can claim moral superiority.Only the gullible would believe priests and politicians that claim otherwise.
If all these people who get upset by thoughts of others expressed in this discussion can stop a while and educate themselves about Islam and it's Clergy and their rules and how all this developed, would really be very surprised of their own level of ignorance. This could be remedied by reading....The Ulema,(Islamic Clergy) had started to develop,many years after Mohammet's passing and stopped developing 2/3 centuries back. Like any institution any where in the world, after a few hundred years, it has stopped helping human development and it's sole purpose now is; it's own survival. This is why it is so rigid, backward, ignorant and literally murderous. It was not always like this, there were many different points of view and it was an intellectual, thinking institution. Now we do not even know who these people are, but they are the ones who stopped an entire legal system from thinking, so their own views would rule. This is so in wahhabism, Son's of Saud have only been sponsoring their views since the British handed them Mecca, at the fall of Ottoman empire.(around 1919) They have been pending literally billions of dollars since then, and are responsible for much of these terrorists and likes of Taliban. Turkey is a good example of how diversity is tolerated
in an Islamic nation, and how nothing is simple in a modern nation. Some women can live almost any way they like in Turkey, yet there is the tragedy of honor killings of women and girls...Struggle continues...Fact is there is a reformation going on in Islam, and the Muslims are suffering the consequence of change most. If any one suggests Mohammet is represented well by the Ulema, they are just ignorant. He was a very smart man who new things must evolve with the times, and thus never wrote down anything or allowed his sayings to be written down. It was about 200 years before things he said were being written down. How accurate all he said could be written down? He imagined people could think and evolve.
Ok here is something happened just a few weeks ago in Somalia: A 13 year old girl was raped by three people. She complained, was tried according to Shariah, was found guilty. They dug a hole in the ground, buried her up to her neck and stoned her to death. 13 years old. Where are all the decent people, including Muslims saying this was wrong.
Why we have not seen any body in this discussion condemning this brutal and stupid act? Why have no one referred to what I wrote about the two sisters in Iran? Lashed 99 times and stoned to death. All those Muslims who cannot say: that these are brutal inhumane acts....well what shall we say who they are? How many of us could do that to a 13 year old girl? Where is your heart and head and not think for yourself for a moment?
???This is not to counsel more military invasions to rescue Muslims from each other. Exactly the opposite: Washington's fixation on counterterrorism reduces Muslims to the status of perceived anti-American conspirators, creating enemies out of those who ought to be Lady Liberty's fiercest allies.???
So America should spend more energy helping to free Islamic peoples from totalitarian governments? Like the Talaban and the Baathist? If you would look past the simplton reporting of the major media, you could see that is what America has been doing in Afganistan and Iraq. We are also defending ourselves from the same ideology driven violence that has taken so many Afgani and Iraqi lives in the past 7 years.
I do not disagree with the premis of empowering Muslim women, quite the contrary, everyone knows that women rule the world, albiet from behind male leaders. Empowering and educating anyone tends to lead towards the urge for freedom.
I just am tired of the same old throwing of rocks at the US. We are the only non-expantionist superpower in the history of man, and the most benevolent nation in existance today, no mater how we are perceved by the rest of the world.
"non-expantionist" my foot. The US practically invade a country or use the CIA to replace US appointed leaders and practically create a series of new states for the USA. The stars on the US flag should have been 60 in numbers by now. You are either stupid or naive. By the way please check your spelling of "expantionist", this also reflects your IQ.
All made necessary by the aggressive foreign policies and lack of internal control by those same foreign gov'ts!! If Pakistan could control it's borders it wouldn't be necessary for the cia to run drones up and down the border. If Sadaam hadn't told THE WHOLE WORLD that he had and was developing WMD we wouldn't have felt the need to invade. If the Taliban hadn't encouraged Al Qaeda to attack the U.S. we wouldn't be there. If the Saudis would do something about the state of the education system in the Saud Kingdom there would be alternatives to the madrasses. Blaming the West for everything is the biggest snow job in history! If the West were really interested in harming Islam it wouldn't be difficult. It is our concern for innocent civilains, regardless of their faith, that creates the restraint and moderation that exists in our political and military responses. I don't see many Muslims caring for Christians caught in these battles... more likely they would drag them thru the streets and hang them from a bridge. If Muslims want to convince the world that they are peaceful, trustworthy neighbors capable of autonomy, how about putting an end to huge public gatherings chanting "Death To America/Isreal/Europe/Mickey Mouse/whoever?"
jcred, please do some basic research before you claim that the West has concern for innocent civilians. America and her allies have killed far more civilians during war time or during peacetime military strikes than any other entity in human history.
Well said!!!
Hello people,
theres is no doubt that some Muslims today do not even respect their own women which is something that Islam came to change. Islam advocates that a woman has a special status of high value, so much so that Porphet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
1) "Paradise is under the feet of the mother" --> this means truly that until one treats is mother with utmost respect, love and compassion then he wont attain paradise
2) a person came to prohpet Muhammad and asked who deserves my most respect, He replied "your mother", the man asked "who next?2, Prophet Muhammad said "your mother". the man repeated for the third time and then the fourth to which Prophet Muhammad said, "then your father."
3) he said: the best of you are those who are best to their wives.
I can tell you that as a Muslim who take the Quran and the words of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) as my source of fuidance and inspiration, i will truly love my wife and respect her, protect her and take care of her because i know that it is a key criteria in gaining the pleasure of my Lord.
HOWEVER, i dont think that the United States is a credible nation to undertake the job of preaching to the Muslim world. The goverment would want nothing more than to demonise and demean and degrade the Muslims and prevent them from establishing a Muslim state with the Sharia as the rule of Law. this is quite funny if you think about the hypocricy of the western ideology and the US who is fine to help Israel to become a "JEWISH STATE", a land for the jewish people where they live according to secular law. Incredible!!!
US, just stay out and stop intefring with the Muslims, otherwise you will really make your self more unpopular and hated in the sight of the Muslims and arab world.
the auther is knobhead if he thinks Islam needs reforming, Islam is perfect and the most just system in this world, a light for this world, unfortunatly the people professing Islam are not. the more we practice islam, the better we can become, but for most of us we are just starting.
malikrose3, yours is a message of hate and forced behavioral modification which makes your concept of faith a cult. Any religion that can't hold it's own in the light of competition is a fraud and a cult. There is no religious freedom in your belief system is "either believe like me or die" and that is coercion not faith. Real faith draws people to it through it's honesty and truth, your'se seeks to force compliance. You are a weak practitioner of your own faith and it's power to convert so you support forced compliance. I support Miss Manji.s concept over your authoritarian hateful totalitarian militaristic garbage of hate.
Malikrose3 has clearly defined the many grievances of the Muslim extremists. Basically it comes down to this; if you don't understand our religion the way we do, and embrace it, you deserve to die. Personally, I don't see it that way.
Ms. Manji has proposed some commonsense ideas to help the Muslim world, and who rises to attack her, other Muslims. Of course.
Any subject, or student of racism knows that to stand by and watch while another man or woman is delivered an injustice makes you just as guilty of racism as the perpetrator.
If the religion of Islam is as Malikrose3 describes then either the extremists who advocate violence and killing are not true Muslims, or such misguided Muslims are not true to their faith. Those are the false Muslims that true believers like Malikrose3 should be attacking. We don't hear any condemnation from the Muslim world against the vicious murderers who use the name of Allah to shed innocent blood. Where is the rage and indignation at such Anti-Muslim behavior?
Is it because many Muslims know that speaking out publicly against the extremists could make them targets and possible victims from within their own community? Many followers of Islam don't condone or accept violence and murder as a way to justice, where are their voices. Teaching the rest of the world to know Islam is not the only solution, and Ms Manji has accepted that.
I applaud her reason and courage.
Marvin Leit
The radicals are the true Muslims. That's what the Koran teaches.
nordog, I am sorry you incorrectly labeled my message as "hatefull" whereas the matter of fct is its in reality message of hope and love. The problem is that most non Muslims don't have true immage (perception) of Islam. I only tried to put a little light on the teachings of Islam and philosophy behind them.
Those who read and see Muslims only as bad guys should pick up crime statistics form any state in the Us where Muslims are in large numbers and tell me the percentage of crimes committed by these Muslims compared to crimes committed by other Americans. Other problem is Individuals like Irshad Manji and Faredd Zakria, who claim to be Muslim but are more like anti Muslims than being true Muslims as these individuals are also responsible for masking the true immage of ISLAM.
iatassi and all: The one Muslim that needed fixing was Mohammad BEFORE he wrote the Koran. How do you propose this might be accomplished?
Mohammed did not have the capability to write! He was illiterate! SO please know your facts.
nor coulod he read and people believe that God commanded him to read ! Just goes to show how man made and fake Islam is. It's a barbaric system ,written by barbarians and lived by barbarians.
Average Joe writes: ...Muslims have a bad reputation because of the actions of a few thugs and idealists that use the name of Islam and Muslim to kill, torture,..." Unfortunately, the problem is much deeper. Islam has NOT been hijacked by a "few thugs". Only a centrally controlled system can be hijacked, and Islam is NOT a centrally controlled system. Islam cannot be hijacked even in theory. The trouble with Islam is precisely that the sacred texts themselves contain all manner of contempt and violence toward non-Moslems, and these texts cannot be changed. ALL Moslems must believe that the Koran -- every word of it!-- is Allah's literal word -- perfect, complete, immutable and valid for all of eternity. Since the Koran gives total authority to Muhammad, Muhammad's words (the Hadith) are also considered to be sacrosanct and untouchable. All Moslem terrorists quote the Koran and Muhammad to justify their deeds, and so they have the theological arguments on their side. That is why there are not counter movements by Islamic religious authorities. There cannot be. No Moslem religious authority (or any other Moslem, for that matter) will ever criticize anything in the Koran or the accepted sayings of Muhammad. The Koran and the Hadith will always be a source of inspiration for Moslem terrorists (and non-terrorist Moslem supremacists). The fact that many Moslems, or even most Moslems do not follow the jihadist precepts of the Koran and Muhammad is irrelevant. They do not vote. And, the will never speak up, either, because they cannot criticize the Koran or Muhammad.
You are correct. Muhammed really took care of himself when he made up the story. It's incredible that a deluded person fooled enough people ,and for long enough for a religion to sprout. Not much different than the Mormons did more recently. The main thing though is that Islam is dangerous.
Iam convinced that the world is edging towards an apocalyptic war between muslims and western civilization. Iam constantly baffled by the inability of the 'educated moderate' muslims to stand up against the seedy elements within their religion.Instead they keep on blaming USA, Christians, Jews, Hindusand even Bamiyaan Buddha Statues for the ills of muslim countries. Koran is like opium which instigates these zombies to wage war against the civilized world. Wake up,my muslim brothren , stop blaming others for your predicament which is brought upon yourself by not adopting modern science and education. I guess the whole rage against 'kafirs' (non islam believers) is due to the fact that kafirs reformed their respective religions and started achieving progress and more clout in the world. Muslims are lucky that middle east happened to have oil reserves . Otherwise,the only contribution of modern islam to the world is heaping more misery ,starting wars across the globe,secessionist tendencies/ dreaming about islamic caliphate and whining that all the conflicts are orchestrated by CIA and Jews.In retrospect, violence has always shaped human civilization and the story may not be different this time ,but in this age of nuclear bombs , the scale of the upcoming carnage is frightening.
Well said.
To Antimatter:
There is no mystery and no reason for you to be baffled by the inability of "educated moderate" Moslems to stand up to the extremist elements in their religion. The moderates CANNOT stand up to them without criticizing the Koran and Muhammad, whom the extremists quote all the time. No Moslem can criticize or even question the Koran and still retain his/her identity as a Moslem. The best that we can hope for is that moderate Moslems will go about their moderate lives in silent disobedience to the Koran and Muhammad. They will never speak out -- unless they make the fateful decision to leave Islam. Many people have made that decision and, as ex-Muslims, they have spoken out loudly and clearly and knowledgeably about Islam.
You don't know aanything about Islam, admit that! Or else you would not commenting like that.
Obviously he knows what he's talking about. Islam is backwards and ignorant. The Religion of Death.
I would like to add a very important point that I should have brought up in my previous comments is that ISLAM doesn't need fixing, its as complete as any idea/philosophy can be. ISLAM has presented solution to every problem that mankind is facing or can face in coming future. The problem lies in the individuals like Irshad manji and Fareed Zakria. These individuals have some neurons in their brains those aren't functioning at optimal level and lack capacity to correctly understand the philosophy of ISLAM.
Moreover as I mentioned before its all for money and personal gains. These mentally sick individuals with their twisted idealogy know what western media is looking for and what sells well in the media "twisted and distorted explanation of ISLAM especially by HIPPOCRATE like Manji and Zakria and what these mentally sick (MONAFQEEN) are taking advantage off". Western media due to its BIAS against ISLAM is always looking for individuals like Manji, and Zakria with distorted immage of Islam and rebellion thoughts against ISLAM and use these individuals to portrate them as ISLAMIC scholars to distort/mask the real teachings of great religion like ISLAM.
Again can someone tell me qualifications of Manji that qualify her for the post she is holding. Her only qualifications are her sick and insane explanations of ISLAMIC idealogy. Why we don't see any real Muslim scholar on media, because media doesn't like the viewers to get a clear and correct message and understanding of ISLAM.
I protest the very topic of Manji's article as its offensive and hurts the feelings of millions of Muslims around the globe. I denounce all these efforts by HIPPOCRATES, like Manji and Zakria, these individuals shouldn't be called MUSLIMS as Quran says "Enter into ISLAM (accept it) totally and completely" follow and obey the teachings completely, you are either a believer or you are a non believer, you can't accept some what you like and leave what you don't like. This is the basic role of ISLAM. Moreover as for as teachings of Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) prophet said " you can't be a complete Muslim untill and unless you accept me and my words dearest to and above all of your loved ones and your interests. Some can argue that ISLAM is a totaletarrian in its role, its due to the fact that without a clear concept of punishment and rewards a model society can't be created.
How can the sayings of an illiterate like Mohammed be complete and perfect ? Especially in this day and age ? That absence of thought is what holds you people back. Muslim countries are hell-holes compared to the West because you let yourselves be fooled by silly stories.
In the West it is a widey held view that for a Muslim woman to have a driving license would mean some sort prestigious award, elevated status and liberty when so many of them are doctors, academics, teachers, lawyers, solicitors, engineers, nurses, social workers, policewomen, army officers and even pilots. It is a preposterous to say that Muslim women are restricted and housebound and maidservants when as a matter of fact, they are ones who are at the wheel and driving force in the running of their families and the households. They are far more empowered than the non-Muslims think and in many cases are the decision-makers, and good ones.
Muslim women are participating fully and equally in the construction of Islamic societies and contributing positively in the development of their countries. They are respected, have their dignified status and are not considered as objects of bare flesh, lust, good for TV commercials, good-time girls, strip-tease dancers and whores as in the Western countries.
Islam demands that a woman should remain a reasonable being as everyone else. It does not expect her to become either an angel or a demon. If non-Muslims wish to compare or contrast her position with other civilizations or legal systems, one should look into all facts and not merely isolated practices as wearing a burqa or not having a driving license etc. In fact, with regard to certain aspects of morality, Islam is more rigid and more puritan than other systems and non-Muslim societies. Since Islam attaches particular importance to morality, it suppresses promiscuity by every means.
Muslim women are entitled to enjoy and exercise those rights which are considered to be the privilege of men as Islam treats both men and women at par as far as their rights are concerned. In the Quran it is mentioned that if women have duties, they have equal rights also. Both sexes have distinct roles but their duties and rights regarding marriage, divorce, inheritance, property, litigation, family matters etc have been defined in clear-cut terms and transgression is forbidden. Islam does not permit a woman to be subjugated by a man/husband but she must be treated with affection, respect and dignity; and above all afforded all rights entitled to her as a wife, mother, daughter and even if she becomes a widow with children. Men and women are subjected to same restrictions or prohibitions upon themselves as far the tenets of Islam are concerned but some leniency has been allowed to women in many matters concerning biological and physiological compulsions.
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What a crock of b.s. You lie.
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/08/16/PH2008081602207.jpg
Look at these women, is that something to aspire to ?
Women is Egypt are molested in the street, thanks to the sexual repression l islam. The men are so sexually repressed that they are scared to see a woman. How pathetic.
The Koran is no more the word of God than my daily newspaper is. There is no God and if there were ,no moral God would write that mess. It's not even in chronological order, it's so obviously man made as to be ridiculous. That anyone could believe it, much less live their lives by it is laughable. Can anyone really be so stupid ? Mohammed was a man, who made up a story to enrich himself. At least the Christians have changed their religion to progress with humanity, Islam is a stone age religion and still firmly stuck there. No wonder all of the Muslim countries are such horrible places to live. It's not the Wests fault, it's Islam that holds them down.
it has been estimated that in the last 3500 years there have only been 250 years of peace in the 'civilised world'.
The statement that "Islamic law can be brutal", reminds one of the burning of witches in New England in our past history, and the obvious fact that it all emanated from interpretations of how to enforce Christian law. I would take a look at the three great writings, Quran, Torah, and Holy Bible, read carefully and try to figure if any of them cannot be brutal. A lot of it depends on current interpretation of what these holy works intend for followers to do in a pinch. Right now, Islam apparently thinks that it is in a pinch and is reacting violently to the situation. Don't we all??? Where will the next pinch strike? I sometimes worry about the current movement of conservative evangelism. Some of the language of the day seems mighty regressive, sometimes appearing to need a witch to burn at the stake. The name "Hussein" as used by Obama's retractors in the recent campaigns comes to mind. What do you think?
I very much enjoyed your post. Thank you. Two thoughts come to mind:
One. Islam seems to have many leaders and I am not sure how to judge if or about what "Islam" feels "pinched" about. In any event and regardless of what religion or belief is involved, violence except as a response to violence is never appropriate...that is, I believe in selfe defense of me and mine when directly threatened, but not in the defense of ideas or to enforce beliefs or ideas.
Second. The entire world has been a violent place for the entire history of man. America was founded on violence also. Our govenment was desighned by people who were violent but desired to eliminate violence as the order of the day for, expecially, changes in government. And this worked pretty well until now. My observation is that as people see their political beliefs more and more as defining themselves and their well-being, so they come to see those of other views as personal enemies...seeing people as the problem rather than ideas and policies. And once we stop views ourselves as Americans with different comcepts of government, but as "good" and "evil" people determined by these attitudes, we creep closer and closer to violence one toward another.
I did not vote for Obama. I wish him well...he is my President and I hope he proves my opinion of him to be wrong. But even if he does not, that does not make him a bad person and I wish him no harm. I have friends who believe that my belief in President Bush makes me an evil person. I had Obama "evangilists" knowking on my door this last fall telling me I was an evil person if I did not support Obama. We are not, in my opinion, far from violent confrontation every bit as bad as Muslim extrimist terrorist acts or the atrocities of the Crusades...it will happen right here in America. Hatred is more rampent in the political arena now than it iver was with regard to race relations. We will make the Fall of the Roman Empire seem like an argument in a pre-school before it is over.
Thank you again for a thoughtful post.
The struggle within islam rests on a simple problem.Can a religion created over a thousand years ago and addressed questions asked by a patriarchial desert trader community be reconciled with a far mor progressive and advancing modern world.And if not then can the modern world be made to fit into the islamic mold without isolating the worlds muslims from the other 5 billion of us.
In the name of ALLAH the most merciful the most Benifiecent
With out boling my imotions or attacking the individuals who wrote this article or alike i will comment on this writers view.
Taking to knowledge that this is a commerciel magazine this might but your ongoing fire out.
Starting with a title like that will further your distance from your goal if your goal was to unite the nations in this world. No doupt that mankind needs a new start. But be cautious with your remarks specially like this one It will only make the situation a whole universe worse.
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Prophet Mohammed (SAW) acknowledged this honour when he declared that Paradise is under the feet of the mothers. She is entitled to three-fourths of the son???s love and kindness with one-fourth left for their father. As a wife she is entitled to demand of her prospective husband a suitable dowry that will be her own. She is entitled to complete provision and total maintenance by the husband. She does not have to work or share with her husband the family expenses. Prophet Mohammed (SAW) said in his last sermon, "Treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers???. She is vital to his life and that she is not inferior to him nor is she one of the lower species. It is said that four out of every five Western converts to Islam are women.
to be frank ??n many ??slam??c countr??es men wanted women to be best women ??n terms of ??slam but he forgot ??slam.
We have to also accept that Muslim women were prevented to be educated, finally the muslim countries reached the point that women are unrespected persons in the community.
But thaks God, it is changing muslim women are becoming doctors, scientist, drivers...etc in many Islamic countries. They are having a standart education and even they become ministers. Muslim people are 99% open to innivations combining them with their islamic belief. A text book expamle of this, Turkey. Have a look at Turkey, Muslim women are much more eager to succedd in all areas of bussines, science, art, and music. In Europe thausands of muslim women are studying at the universties wearing their headscarves. So to educate Muslim women is good idea.
On the other hand, Muslim women do not need to be educated by taking loans from anybody espacially western people. This is an educational process and it will have demosntrate the exact muslim women at the end. As for the military invasion of western countries into Iraq, Afghanistan or any whereelse is not so innocent action, please do you think we are so stupid? USA invaded Iraq to prevent fight among Muslim people, are you kidding? They are there for undoubtly org'n'z'ng the future of the regoin for the next 50 to 100 years accroding to Western people"s one poled word.
You just focus on your community and your women instead of muslim women I believe, if it goes like this you will lose family and very important moral values in Western worlds. Look your girls under 16 and their lifestyles, being addicted to drugs, being sexually abused. You have enough problem to fix in Western world. Let us muslim world do it by themselves. Again I am giving the exapmle of Turkey who know you also have to look at this country to save the future of Western family ang women.
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The misspeled words and horrible contents potrayed all moslems as stupid and extreme.
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