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  • Posted By: Celtia @ 01/07/2009 8:14:07 AM

    Islam is not the only religion that oppresses women, but it is the worst offender. Let's start to liberate Muslim women by getting rid of the offensive hijab. Muslim women are forced to wear this scarf because they are supposed to be evil creatures luring men to sin with their beauty. If that's the problem, why don't men have to wear one over their crotches? That's where the "evil" begins. Muslim women are told that they are the seed of all lust and villainy in the world, that they have to be ashamed of being women. What foolishness. Be proud that you're women -- and demand the right to be treated like a human being, and to see the men who rape you punished instead of yourselves carted to the village square for stoning. You are the victims!

    • Posted By: freddiek @ 01/07/2009 11:15:47 AM

      Another Idiot here.
      The reason for Hijab is simple. It is for PROTECTION OF WOMEN!!! Not to oppress them. Do you think its a good thing to have women judged by how much skin she shows? Do you think that it is fair to women to use thier flesh to sell things?
      Wake up---Get over yourself---The hijab empowers women more than these idelogue feminists

      • Posted By: bholenath @ 01/07/2009 11:39:46 PM

        Hey Freddiek,

        You are insult to human intelligence. You must be the a muslim guy insecure to death of your god and religion :-)
        Boy...you make such fool of your self by all these slandering comments....i hope you got a good net conection in the cave you are living:-)
        Please keep posting...so i dont have to watch Family Guy and South Park to laugh ...ohh boy....:-))))

        • Posted By: freddiek @ 01/08/2009 1:55:28 PM

          Ok we have another altar boy defending homosexuality---Sorry I am not going to buy the idea that all people should beome gay hindus or christians like you want. My cave is in the USA.

      • Posted By: True_Indian @ 01/07/2009 2:59:39 PM

        I don't agree that women should wear scarf. I tis accepted that they should not expose their skin. But they should not cover face. If you get bad ideas by just looking at the face of a woman that is not their mistake it is yours. So you cannot punish them for your problem. thats the whole issue.

  • Posted By: freddiek @ 01/08/2009 1:50:19 PM

    Martien, What the hell do you know about women's rights in Pakistan or anywhere else for that matter. You have no stats or actual facts to back your claim. Why don't you consider the number of rapes and violent crimes PER CAPITA in western countries vs. Islamic countries. The numbers cannot be compared because it is so much worse in the western world. Women in western countries still have so many grievances and issues because of thier gender. For example they make mush less money than men doing the same job etc. Women are used for sexual exploitation everyday and women are NOT given the same educational opportunities as men. So the western world is a far cry from being perfect and certainly has no right to pass judgement onto others.
    I live in the USA, but I spend roughly half of the year in Pakistan. In my life I have never seen any persecution of women because of thier gender. women are more empowered than you know. Go to the villages and see for yoursefl. Don't read these moronic writes like Manji----Experience it for yourself and speak to actual muslim women and you will get a better idea.
    Our society is not perfect and the society in Islamic countrieis not perfect. What the people of USA believe in doesn't necessarily mean that the whole world must believe in those concepts.
    Our human rights concepts in the USA maybe different from what other people consider important---we should respect that.
    Terrori

  • Posted By: G.T.Martenscaa @ 01/08/2009 2:49:59 AM

    the gentleman suggests that scarf is for the "protection of women...",. What makes him think these women need any more protection than the men. To say this suggests that women are not equal to men and even what, weaker? more stupid so they need protection?, or what? PLEASE TELL US ALL WHAT THESE WOMEN NEED TO BE PROTECTED FROM?, and maybe then a scarf isn't enough. For example, the lady who ran for office in Pakistan did not wear a scarf and she was assasinated. Perhaps, the scarf would have done the trick? Who's to say....

  • Posted By: Martien @ 01/07/2009 9:02:13 PM

    For any muslim male who chooses to criticize this reporters article, please consider how many women have been killed or punished in the name of Islam and also consider how many Islamic women have enough education, knowledge or freedom to actually prevent it from happening in the first place. If your feeble attempts to chase some other rabbit trail prove fruitless then let's seriously consider how it is every persons' right to have an education and make their own choices. Slavery is a thing of the past and so is bullying. Also, please don't try to discredit the truth by citing instances of abuse by anybody from some particular group or race because that doesn't represent the whole. Just look at the facts and consider how many women are killed or punished or abused in the name of Islam. Sure, just as many women may have been abused, killed or punished in the name of some other religion but at least now a lot more women are receiving an education and freedom to choose to bear this type of treatment or else to do something else, which may be a whole lot better. I saw on cnn recently where 3 woment were buried alive or killed in Pakistan, somehow I don't think they were Christian.





  • Posted By: Martien @ 01/07/2009 9:00:16 PM

    For any muslim male who chooses to criticize this reporters article, please consider how many women have been killed or punished in the name of Islam and also consider how many Islamic women have enough education, knowledge or freedom to actually prevent it from happening in the first place. If your feeble attempts to chase some other rabbit trail prove fruitless then let's seriously consider how it is every persons' right to have an education and make their own choices. Slavery is a thing of the past and so is bullying. Also, please don't try to discredit the truth by citing instances of abuse by anybody from some particular group or race because that doesn't represent the whole. Just look at the facts and consider how many women are killed or punished or abused in the name of Islam. Sure, just as many women may have been abused, killed or punished in the name of some other religion but at least now a lot more women are receiving an education and freedom to choose to bear this type of treatment or else to do something else, which may be a whole lot better. I saw on cnn recently where 3 woment were buried alive or killed in Pakistan, somehow I don't think they were Christian.





  • Posted By: True_Indian @ 01/07/2009 3:08:07 PM

    I hate this hijab or scarf or burkha what ever it is. People are saying this is to protect the women. It is nonsense. Tomorrow, these fenatics will lock the women in a locker saying that that will protect them more. Showing face is different from showing skin. Understand that and try to respect the women rights. If you get bad ideas by just looking at women face, then thats your problem not theirs. You cover your face with scarf don't cover their face. it is so simple. Not giving them a choice and making it a law is worst thing that can happen to women.

    • Posted By: freddiek @ 01/07/2009 7:52:07 PM

      go pray to a monkey and don't worry about hijab. I am fully aware of the millions of Indians with HIV--most of them got HIV from hookers---which India has largest number of by far and away. Maybe it would help India if more hindus wore Hijab.

      • Posted By: True_Indian @ 01/07/2009 8:33:24 PM

        total non-sense and unrelated reply.

  • Posted By: Cosmopolitanist @ 01/07/2009 11:35:17 AM

    Empowering female islamist does nothing to eliminate Islamism. It simply offers it a new face. The core issue is not whether a demographic shift would bring about a change is social and cultural beliefs. Remember, the crowning of Elizabeth and Victoria as Queens of England led not to more liberation for women or advancement of human dignity but more restrictive moral regimes and more violent colonialism.

    The key to ending Islamists violent grip is to understand what brought about its rise - the elimination of a moderate, yet non-pro-Western regmes in the Islamic world. Most Muslim countries are split between authoritarian pro-western regimes (often totalitarian but sometimes Islamist as in the Kingdom) and authoritarian anti-western regimes (often Islamist). In each case, the rise of these institutions happened after a prolonged period where they were provided either the sonic monopoly (through post-colonial transitions as in the Kingdom or to the Pakistani military) or the monopoly of opposition (as in Palestine or Iran).

    In each instance, colonialism played a strong hand. In the former, it provided material and diplomatic support to ensure that they could have "people they could work with" after they lost direct control of a region. In the latter, it was the extension of the above mentioned support being pushed in a way that none but the most hardened of the opponents (who also tended to be the most militant and violent) survived.

    In the end, there is where the problem lies. The solution is not in promoting a demographic group, but rather in stopping hegemonic practices that prevent a moderate middle from emerging (even if they are not favorable to the US). In the final calculus, a non-allied (or even anti-western), non-violent moderate Muslim group is significantly better for Western interests than either an allied totalitarian state or a militant Islamist state.

    • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 6:27:59 PM

      I think bettering the lives of women will help, but you have a very good point about supporting good government. Not just government that will allow airfields and sell oil.

  • Posted By: peace1 @ 01/07/2009 3:58:50 AM

    women in asia have definitely not been encouraged to empower themselves, but there have been more liberties, which have created an environment for different perspectives in business and marketing.
    the title of this article should be amended. there should be no "fixing" of any religion... by whose standards are we "fixing" any religion? are we taking the place of God? do we now have the right to impose sanctions on religions that are not our own?

    • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 6:19:41 PM

      I think the title was just to provoke. At the very least it was meant to get people to read it. It seemed she criticized some of the practice of Islam (dictated by people) and not the religion itself.

  • Posted By: sooooka @ 01/07/2009 3:14:56 AM

    I am not how can someone with excellent credentials proclaim to have the fix for "ISLAM" or any other religion for that matter. Not to preach about ISLAM, but if you even bothered reading or learning about the Quran, there is a whole chapter (sura) named after what both Christians and Muslims consider the epitome of righteousness, Marry (Mariam). I do respect your article, but I would like, humbly of course, to differ with you on it. I believe, you need to fix "THE PEOPLE" not the religion, just like we fixed -hopefully- the US corrupt administration with a new and promising breath of fresh air, president elect Obama.

    • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 6:17:32 PM

      I agree with your comment on changing people's minds, but Mary is not the epitome of righteousness for Protestant Christians, and hopefully not for Catholics either.

  • Posted By: jbz7879 @ 01/07/2009 1:46:20 AM

    WOMEN AS A RULE ARE THE MOST CUNNING ELUSIVE DECEPTIVE MANIPULATIVE AND EMPOWERED CREATURES ON THIS PLANET NEVER MIND THEIR RACE OR RELIGION .
    AND THE WRITER IS SURELY ONE OF THE PRIME EXAMPLES OF THAT RULE

    • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 6:15:40 PM

      Ususally when someone begins a sentence: "As a rule....", you can be sure that ignorance will follow. (As a rule of course....)

    • Posted By: peace1 @ 01/07/2009 3:18:38 AM

      ooh, thanks for the compliment!

  • Posted By: True_Indian @ 01/06/2009 8:08:10 PM

    I don't think Islam is the problem because I have muslim friends in India and they don't use Burkha to cover their face and their kids are going to school normally as other kids. They don't have 10 are 20 kids and they don't have more than one wife. So it is problem in few countries like Pakistan where clerics/fenatics dictate the law. They enforce Burkha. They stop girls from going to school. Islamic fanatics are the problem and you can find them in Pakistan plenty. So If we can shut these madarassa which are owned by fanatic clerics, Terrorism and extremism will go down drastically. These madarassas will teach only hate. Less science and Maths more Hate. These fanatic countries like Pakistan need regular schools where they teach only subjects like science and Maths not jehad.

    • Posted By: Zealous @ 01/06/2009 10:21:07 PM

      Saying that all schools in Pakistan are Madarssa and every women has to wear Burka is like saying that all americans in USA are Mormon and practice polygamy and have dozens of kids who go to one room schools. Both statements are far from reality. A big population in Pakistan has religious and social freedom, including women. I am not going to deny that there are places where TRIBAL not Islamic values persist and the tribal elders and religious leaders use Islam to keep their power on the masses. Education is the real answer, both for the illiterate poor muslim people and the westerners about Islam.

      • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 6:13:48 PM

        Its not just isolated tribal areas. That huge madrassa that taught hate, trained terrorists, and committed treason against the government and people of Pakistan was smack in the middle of Islamabad, wasn't it?

  • Posted By: tayaba.zahra@gmail.com @ 01/06/2009 6:11:19 PM

    Washington is not ignoring the islamic community worldwide. Washington should help but not just the muslim women but women in general and people worldwide. Having said that, Muslim nations like saudi arabia have enough money to give out loans to muslim women who want to run a business.

    Muslims are the biggest enemies of Muslims.

    Here are two sites that are absolutely worth stydying because they will reveal the fact that human rights laws do not apply in muslim countries as they have their own islamic human rights laws and they circle around sharia, which remains incomplete and does not favor woman and of course these laws are signed/approved by the West.

    If a woman in a muslims country is stoned - the muslim communtiy looks to the West for help and when they don't get any that is not because the West doesn't want to is because we respect that laws that the 3 muslim countries have composed: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Egypt. This is not a conspiracy, it is a fact. http://www.alhewar.com/ISLAMDECL.html

    Organization for the islamic conference: http://www.oic-oci.org/oicnew/
    responsible for creating conflicts around the world. They exist and it is a dangerous organnization. The international community has to stop their funding. Terrorists are employees rather than investigating as to where they come from and their motivation we need to focus on who is financing them and arrest them immediately. When you stop funding no one is going to join a terrorist group. it is sort of that simple.

    The thing is it is very easy to point fingers and get entangled in ideological labels - what we as human race ought to realize is that this is not 12th century. Our issues are new. We no longer ride camels and use swords. We must come together based on common values and respect for one another on those grounds. Religion creates seperation and is filled with fanatic ego. We can't promote such institutions whose very foundation depends on controling people with fear.

    Muslim women have to stop being slaves to men. Islam doesnt help women at all -- in fact it turns them into submissive beings whose lives must circle around men. Their god is a He. Their prophets are males. same with christianity. What is the lesson here: it is all made up. the world is suffering because it refused to pop the bubble of lies it has voluntarily placed itself into. Embrace truth - it takes courage but the world will be yours.

    No need to join any communtiy. No need for a label. Just love unconditionally. We all need to change.

    • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 6:11:48 PM

      Hatred of men is just as bad as hatred of a race, religion, hairstyle, etc. Biggotry.

    • Posted By: kingrichard @ 01/06/2009 6:47:17 PM

      America needs to help itself first - charity begins at home.

      Unconditional love? Yeah, that'll work with these animals.

  • Posted By: bholenath @ 01/06/2009 9:46:00 PM

    Rightly said Civilized, NO in no religion you can make people so fanatic as to BLOW UP themselves as ISLAM.

    • Posted By: jbz7879 @ 01/06/2009 11:31:47 PM

      u moron have you heard of kamikaze pilots
      u make me so amused of your ignorance even to your pitiful pathetic american history

      TOU ARE THE MOST VIOLENT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD -REMEMBER GETTYSBURG -IS THERE ANYONE AMERICANS HAVE NOT KILLED IN 150 YEARS
      KU KLUX DID NOT COME FROM PAKISTAN

      • Posted By: MDH SacramentoCA @ 01/07/2009 5:11:31 PM

        what is your exact location please? Tell the world where you are and WE will solve your problems. Here's my idea how to stop Islamism; incinerate you all, let Allah sort you out. After all, think of all the virgins waiting for you! Why wait to martyr yourselves? Step in front of that Israeli tank and make that gunner's day! You all need to be snuffed out like the cockroaches you are!

  • Posted By: Badrs @ 01/07/2009 2:24:29 PM

    You said "Islamic law can be brutal." Please do some more research before you make a fool out of yourself. And in Western countries, women are used to sell products, Muslim women will never accept that.

  • Posted By: Badrs @ 01/07/2009 2:22:39 PM

    You said "Islamic law can be brutal." Do more research before you make a fool out of yourself.

  • Posted By: jessecrismanassa @ 01/07/2009 9:54:07 AM

    Mothers have some control over the thoughts of their children. Thus, they must take some responsibility for the wretched religious strife called fanatacism that afflicts Christian and Muslim alike. A child's mind is won or lost very early in life, long before the relgious extremists attempt to manipulate our children. Each of us must take some responsibilty for our own family's mental health. Depending on government and religion to guide our children's minds should by now be self-evident as lunacy.

  • Posted By: Ivan23 @ 01/07/2009 8:59:25 AM

    You of all people should know better , a muslim is not bound by any sense of honor to uphold his word to an infidel. So how do we know Iran has lowered child executions. You cant have treatys and good will when one side is not honor bound to keep to an agreement.

  • Posted By: Amina Hassan @ 01/04/2009 4:51:22 AM

    Not to sound melodramatic but, the fact is Islam is a complete religion, and was completed by the Prophet (PBUH). It does not need to be "fixed", as u put it. There are no alterations needed, nor allowed. It is the single most women-empowering religion in the world. And as I heard on a tv program, 2/3 of new converts to Muslims. Islam gives women rights no other reliigion does. You might want to look into the inhuman raping of innocent iraqi women in jails by American troops. That reflects America's morality, as far as I am concerned.

    What Iran or any other Islamic state does, is the state's fault, not of Islam. The state may act in the name of Islam, whereas its actions may be far from Islam.

    • Posted By: Civilized @ 01/04/2009 5:12:05 PM

      As a women try to drive a car in Saudi Arabia or walk on the road by yourself or hang out with a group of guys and see what happens. Do you hear the beheading in Saudi Arabia?

      • Posted By: Amina Hassan @ 01/07/2009 8:12:54 AM

        as a woman? i am a woman who knows what it is like to live in an islamic country, and believe me the prob is .lolz men, they r the same everywhere, egoistic, who think they know whats best..i am for a balanced way of life, thats what islam is about, balance, not extremism, what the saudi govt does or doesnt do, dont blame islam for that.

    • Posted By: jazzmanjim @ 01/06/2009 1:47:21 PM

      Sorry, Islam is false. Divine relevation ended with Jesus.

      • Posted By: Amina Hassan @ 01/07/2009 8:10:06 AM

        thats y i am a muslim and you are a christiian buddy.

  • Posted By: khasroo29 @ 01/07/2009 5:05:15 AM

    The article mostlly talk about the plight of middle east women. Middle east was Aiyam e Jahliat before the birth of Prophet Mohammad (Peace be on him). Unfortunately even after 1400 yrs you can very easily try to think about those days seeing the attitude and behaviour of most of the people there. Compare them with muslims in other countries, where people may be poor but they are enlightened, courteous and friendly. You can see the ladies involved in every sphere of life.Womenfolk in these countries are much better of than their sisters in middle east. It is more of a culture and tradition than anything else. Think about the middle east countries in the 60's and early 70's, they were just like any other poor country. But Petro dollars have transformed them and with that they are trying to subjugate their people not only womenfolk. What is needed most is to educate the next generation. If that is achieved, things are bound to change.

  • Posted By: DONGSKHIE @ 01/07/2009 3:36:52 AM

    To empower Muslim women is unbelievable, but to say alittle bit of liberty is more generous. A long as these religious police are around with their badge of the Holy koran, liberty is far ahead only in dreams. Even muslim women rejects, i mean not all or course, the idea of covering their faces and no part in decision making. One time Ive worked in a hotel in S Arabia, in the elevator the lady with a garb ask my nationality, after knowing am asian, she removed her veil and start talking how she hates all this stuff and the system. in american eglish diction. A well bred muslim lady, at the end she said, Iam one of the wives of Prince Abdullah, now the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA. Just an unforgettable experience, related to empowering the rights o f muslim women.

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