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Castro’s False Claims of Success

It's true that many Latin countries are now governed by the left, but few subscribe to the Cuban model.

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  • Posted By: ross1972 @ 01/18/2009 5:38:37 PM

    100% literacy is wonderful,but what is the point when there are no opportunities to put literacy to work.Where are the vast libraries with works from all over the world?Where are the jobs?Where is the revolution to make peoples lives better?A great man is not arrogant and does not drag his people down and imprison them when they question.He does not deride and insult others instead of listening.The only great thing castro has done is outlived his enemies even as his people live in poverty and desperation.

  • Posted By: JoseMZ @ 01/15/2009 4:00:27 PM

    I will begin by saying that anyone can destroy but it takes true genius to create. Castro is nothing more than an above average person with a hammer.

  • Posted By: AnHourADay @ 01/08/2009 10:48:12 AM

    Every Cuban I've ever met has prided themselves on the Cuban education system; so it's untrue? Is it a lie or a modified truth? I'd love to read an article about education worldwide in newsweek:)
    http://anhouraday.blog.com

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/06/2009 11:04:32 PM

    BTW mmoo1, I did read the desultory blogs you post for propaganda purposes.
    Sounds like the outre stuff you may read on kos and atrios, only they are whining about America.

    In the word of the Great Cheney: "So?"


    PS Somehow both our whiners and theirs are somehow able to create an audience.

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/06/2009 10:17:13 PM

    The evocatively identified mmoo1 has proclaimed:

    "Great Article- The hellish mindset of Cuba-enthusiasts
    It is a rule of thumb that anyone given to praising Cuba under Castro is a person of poor judgment"

    It is a rule of thumb that anyone who makes judgments based on ruling thumbs has their thumbs lodged indelicately. Such folk are often developmentally impaired due to digestive issues.
    As for me, I like the rule of reality, or at least the rule of logic. I won't say the author of this nonsense is an idiot, because that would be merely an educated guess on my part.

    (The earlier post was, admittedly, a tad sloppy on my part, so this may serve as an appropriate amendment)

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/06/2009 10:12:09 PM

    "Great Article- The hellish mindset of Cuba-enthusiasts
    It is a rule of thumb that anyone given to praising Cuba under Castro is a person of poor judgment"

    It is a rule of thumb that anyone who makes judgments based on ruling thumbs has their thumbs lodged indelicately such folk are often developmentally impaired to to digestive issues. As for me, I like the rule of reality, or at least the rule of logic. I won't say the author of this nonsense is an idiot, because that would be merely an educated guess on my part.

  • Posted By: sky 57 @ 01/06/2009 2:17:51 PM

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    • Posted By: sky 57 @ 01/06/2009 5:32:49 PM

      It appears that Castro himself could be composing some of these responses as they contain marginal half-truths about the U.S. while ignoring the repression of human rights in Cuba. I cannot contend with strong arguments like all Cubans know Abraham Lincoln or no one in Cuba is starving... really? But in sincerity there is no counterargument to those who do not present factual arguments.
      Some simple questions: Why are so many Cubans leaving their country? Why have dozens of Cuban athletes defected in the past decade? Why was El Bombo instituted?
      What would José Martí think of this Cuba? Is this repression what he died for?

      Another perspective:
      http://www.hrw.org/legacy/englishwr2k8/docs/2008/01/31/cuba17767.htm

      • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/06/2009 6:14:37 PM

        Repression is a loaded term, and one which has been thrown around by ideologues for a long time. Nonetheless, if we want to talk "repression," as in "keeping one or more political or religious genies in a bottle," well then, what of our dear ally China? Libya? Syria? Saudi Arabia? yada. yada. Repression is only a bad thing if your ideological bent makes it so. What of our Patriot Act? eh?
        Athletes in Cuba cannot make 100 million dollars in a state where everyone is hungry. Natch.
        If every living human in Cuba has a ration of minimal food supplies as a government subsidy, who is going to starve except maybe Donald Trump, assuming he crash landed in Cuba on his way to buy St. Martins?
        If Abraham Lincoln's picture is as ubiquitous as Fidel's, then excuse my patent exaggeration, but at least every man, woman and child who is not blind or demented would have seen his picture somewhere. Besides, he is a bona fide hero to Castro and to the brothers and sisters of the Revolution. Why do Americans have no clue about that or any of the other more positive "facts" about Cuba presented here by the cross-section of comments? Maybe it is the "fact" that we consider people like Castaneda to be "experts" when his own country presents more of a clear and present danger than Cuba ever has. It is a tinderbox already exploding into California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas every day.
        Every day now we read of the true leaders of Mexico, the drug lords, ordering hits in Tucson, San Diego, Orange County and El Paso... The audacity of this creep to blather on about Cuba, a failed experiment which was at least noble in it's inception. What can any coherent person say about Mexico today? What damning hypocrisy!
        Half-truths? Wholesale mendacity is all that's fit to print about our "adversaries" in America.
        Like I said, last Saturday night in Havana there were no murders, 4 muggings, and one attempted assault. Safest damn city in the American Hemispheres.
        I only ask why that when we say these things, no one wants to hear? Why are only those who have lived there talking about the reality of Cuba? Perhaps our press is not so free as we pretend.

  • Posted By: mmoo1 @ 01/06/2009 11:32:27 AM

    Do we want statistics???
    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=315532982181405

    Other good reads for some perspective:

    Blog from Cuba
    http://www.desdecuba.com/generationy/

    Great Article- The hellish mindset of Cuba-enthusiasts
    It is a rule of thumb that anyone given to praising Cuba under Castro is a person of poor judgment
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article5439307.ece

    • Posted By: sky 57 @ 01/06/2009 2:31:31 PM

      It seems that Castro himself could be writing some of these responses, reciting maladies of the U.S. (freedom of speech is inhibited in the U.S. - obviously?) while ignoring the repression in Cuba's government. I cannot argue with "everyone in Cuba knows Abraham Lincoln" (obviously that is too strong of argument to refute, I give in). Or "nobody" is starving in Cuba? And what would José Martí think of this Cuban government? Is this what he died for?

      Another perspective:
      http://www.hrw.org/legacy/englishwr2k8/docs/2008/01/31/cuba17767.htm

      • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/06/2009 3:19:42 PM

        Castro would not agree that there is suppression of media coverage within Cuba. I respectfully disagree. Castro doesn't enjoy his people grumbling, I think they have every right. Castro admires Abraham Lincoln and is seen on postcards and paintings, gazing at the Lincoln Monument in Washington when he was there trying to convince Eisenhower to talk to him. He failed at that too.
        Nobody is starving in Cuba. Everybody is hungry. Few obese Cubans. Since everyone, man woman and child, receives minimal food supplies from central co-ops every month.
        Do I want to live there? No. I am an American and a European. I like home, but home in the US under George W Bush has come to look a lot like Cuba with our perverse Patriot Act, government induced mass paranoia, massive economic failures, and ego-maniacal fools in power.

  • Posted By: JuanB @ 01/05/2009 7:08:45 AM

    Mr Castaneda appears to be a lousy teacher as well as a lousy writer. One of the basic facts of teaching of journalism is to get the facts straight. Unless you are of the old Hearst "yellow journalism" school, that says give me an issue and I will make up the facts to support it. A few facts: Cuban infant mortality 4.7 per thousand live births (one of the lowest in the world, better than the US). 99.8% literacy, much better than the majority of the Latin American countries - and now Venezuela and Bolivia are also claiming near 100% literacy, thanks to a teaching system developed in Cuba and endorsed by UNESCO. Low birth rate, similar to many advanced European societies, a health care system with state of the art equipment (available from non-US associated companies from Europe) or developed in Cuba. Availability of several vaccines that were developed in Cuba, and now help people all over the world.
    Mr. Castaneda and some of the readers comment on the number of political prisoners. By US State Department statistics, the number is about 220 - most accused of violations of some Cuban law. How many men and women are in prison in North Korea, China, and other countries for opposing their government? Usually they violate a law and are thrown in jail. Castaneda points out, as well as some of the people that comment on the article, that Cubans leave to go to the US. So do Dominicans, Mexicans, and others - many of these are not political refugees seeking a place where they may express their views without fear, they are economic refugees because they feel that in the US they can help support their families better - since the wages are much higher, even though most immigrants receive substandard wages. Cuba is not perfect, neither is the US, or any other country in the world. The US government hypocrisy has lasted too long. The US is Cuba's 4th largest trading partner - with great difficulties, and at times with fear that orders that Cuba has placed will be canceled and funds retained by order of the US Department of the Treasury.
    Mr. Castaneda, why is it that in international educational competitions Cuban students far outperform other Latin American students? Mr. Castaneda, why did the Prime Minister of Trinidad elect to undergo surgery in Cuba and not Mexico or the US? Mr. Castaneda, now that Cuba produces almost 50% of the oil it consumes, and has the potential of a huge oil field off its north shore, why is it that there is a renewed interest in permitting this small island of 11.2 million people from developing further? Mr. Castaneda, why is Cuba one of the few countries in the world that will meet most if not all the Goals for the Millennium established by the UN? Maybe you should do a bit better research before you waste readers time with a poorly written and lousily researched article in this fine journal.

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/04/2009 11:43:40 PM

    Also true, in case no American reader picked it up, is that Mexico hasn't had provinces for a long time, though sometimes in the back-country you hear the term. That's where I hear it even now.
    The whole "Mexican States" idea flopped about as badly as the New Coke a few years back, but most people in the US don't know or care about that. They do know and care that millions of so-called "wetbacks" have "fled" these United States of Mexico, from the cities to the provinces, going where they could find a job, freedom from fear. They have resettled in the US, Canada, Central America, and the Caribbean. Yes, even to Cuba!. Now why don't "Americans" know that?
    Oh, the freedom to be dumbed down, long may it live and breathe the breath of... Liberty!

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/04/2009 11:15:46 PM

    True, the freedom of speech in terms of mass media is inhibited by the Cuban government. Freedom of speech in America is inhibited by government encouraged isolation and/or ridicule for anything or anyone perceived as threatening to public passivity. WWD in Iraq anyone? Oppose the war? Don't buy the 2 party line? ad nauseum.
    I have attended open, public services in Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, and Presbyterian churches in Cuba. The interdenominational seminary at Matanzas is one of the finest schools of theology in the Caribbean. " Fidel y Reliigione" was a best seller a few years ago as Fidel faced his own mortality and embraced his people's religious dimension. Of course, the practice of Santeria is virtually universal in Cuba and has been for over 250 years. That we don't know any of this is an indication of the limits of our own freedom of the press.
    BTW, there are more bookstores in Habana than in some entire provinces of Mexico. Let's talk Geneva Convention, Guantanamo, and habeas corpus under Bushco when we compare human rights issues.
    Everybody is hungry in Cuba, but nobody is starving... how does that record compare to the US and Mexico, eh?
    I often grieve for Americans who do not know who Jose Marti was, while every Cuban knows Abraham Lincoln. So much for an informed public. I grieve for an America under the thumb of mind-numbing materialism and confusing it with freedom, justice, and religion.
    God Have Mercy on America!

  • Posted By: sky 57 @ 01/04/2009 8:51:38 PM

    For decades the government of Cuba has prohibited free speech, open media, libraries, organized religion and technological communication. The Cuban government's policies are responsible for the bare shelves at the food stores. This is not a revolution to be admired. I grieve for the citizens of Cuba that they are deprived basic human rights. ¡ViVA CUBA LIBRE!

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/04/2009 4:38:09 PM

    Make that "Viva ZAPATISTAS" and all who legally oppose the rogue government in Mexico. Mr. Castaneda may be a shill, but he is no fool. The darkest street in Manhattan is far safer than any place at all in his homeland. He has nada to fear from Cuba, (nor does anyone for that matter), but is reviled by the man and woman in the streets of Mexico. What a sham.

  • Posted By: hkhamm @ 01/04/2009 3:26:56 PM

    The author's argument is fundamentally flawed. He says, "Cuba would probably turn out to suffer the same ills as the rest of the region" and "it is very unlikely that the Cuban health system today is much better than the rest of the region's". Where is the evidence? These are nothing but bald assertions. Probablys and unlikelys show us nothing but Mr Castañeda's ideological predispositions. Shouldn't a former foreign minister of a major Central American country know better than to attempt to construct an argument based on such shoddy premises? Can he answer the why Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua and Paraguay are so willing and eager to take all of these doctors from Cuba if they are as worthless as Mr Castañeda makes them out to be?

    • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/04/2009 4:10:22 PM

      Perhaps the answer to your well reasoned query is that Senor Castenada is a shill. Or so it seems to me.
      In rich irony, one is safer and freer on the streets and farms of Cuba than almost anywhere in Mexico.
      Viva Zapitistas!

    • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/04/2009 4:09:56 PM

      Perhaps the answer to your well reasoned query is that Senor Castenada is a shill. Or so it seems to me.
      In rich irony, one is safer and freer on the streets and farms of Cuba than almost anywhere in Mexico.
      Viva Zapitistas!

  • Posted By: ToniR @ 01/04/2009 12:17:08 PM

    That there are countries in Latin America that are to the left today is a result of what Cuba accomplished with one hand tied behind it' back. No two revolutions are the same.

    That countries like Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Ecuador, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, and Peru can even lean left is HUGE!

    The Cuban revolution's accomplishments only look meager if you use the McDonalds world view. But if you use a lens that examines how the least of the population on a vast and diverse continent have an improved quality of life, you have a different picture.

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/03/2009 8:55:28 PM

    Castaneda's comments do not reflect the reality "on the ground." True, while many people in Cuba long for I-Pods and Coca-Cola (cf, Evian), Cuba remains one of the most authentically patriotic nations on the globe.
    Recently an author in Russia has written a best selling book about the break-up of the American states into regional and competing nations. The author has no clue about about patriotism and how deeply it molds the American culture, political life, and the foreign policy of the United States. In other words, the US ain't the USSR. Get a grip, Ivor.
    So too, this Castenada character misses the point. Cuba is not Mexico. Not even close, Senor.
    Cuba is not heaven either, but watching the thousands of kids outside in the sun playing baseball with healthy young bodies, great smiles of straight teeth, gives lie to the claims this character makes here.
    There are now 100 doctors per thousand citizens in Cuba, more professionals on the streets of Habana than New York City, more freedom religion than Dallas, and less crime in the cities than any urban area in the US. Get this, fewer card-carrying Communists than in the US... just under 5% of the Cuban population are party members.
    The people do not idolize, but rather tolerate, Fidel about like we have tolerated George Bush. Castro may be an SOB, but he is their SOB. They tolerate him like an older brother who is a pain in the ass, but they still love him, in large because, since 1959, he has snookered the US into playing Lucifer to his Messiah. We have played our part well, he owes our idiot presidents a lot.
    Finally the "revolution" has always been less about the Castros and more about Jose Marti. Count the myriad monuments in the Cuban cities to Marti and then count the monuments to Castro. If anything, the hero cult is more about Che than any other contemporary character.
    One last comment from a doctor in Cuba when asked why there is so little anti-depressant prescribed in the island nation. He replied, "We are poor, but unbowed, we are an authoritarian state, but not a police state. We dance in the streets when the spirit moves, we sing, we drink good rum and we have a lot of sex. When there is little to buy, there is little anxiety about social position. When we wake up every day we remember that we are not a mere colony, but a real nation, we have made, we can still dance, sing and screw with all the great joy of life. Who need anti-depressants? Seems you in the US have the corner on that market."
    Amen

    • Posted By: sky 57 @ 01/03/2009 11:13:58 PM

      Your statement that the U.S. has the market cornered on mental depression is not supported by fact. To see that Cuba has higher suicide rates than the U.S. and most other countries in this hemisphere you can look at the World Health Organization's statistics and read To Die in Cuba by Louis Perez, for starters. Also, the thousands of Cuban immigrants who enter the U.S. and other countries, each year (be they elite athletes or other Cuban citizens) are strong evidence that many Cuban citizens are not content with their situation in Cuba.

      • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/04/2009 1:34:36 AM

        An earlier comment was deleted, so I trust this will not be repetitive. First, I noted that suicide and depression are not equivalent. Second, my Cuban doctor did not deny mental depression in Cuba, but merely suggested that Cubans found ways other than anti-depressant medications to deal with anxiety. They do seem to make more with less than any of the nations that may be considered economic cohorts.
        Also noted was that considerably more people "flee," if you will, per capita, their native countries in North America than from Cuba. Dissatisfaction knows no border, it seems.
        I also mentioned that when I return to Europe or America after a few days in Cuba I notice that our people are comparatively uptight, anxious, and just a tad racist, or so it seems.
        Finally I submit that Perez's book does no one any favors, especially Senor Castaneda. It merely proves that in America we have the freedom to publish and read execrable propaganda tracts.

        • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 01/04/2009 3:57:57 AM

          "Seems" seems to be a theme of my rather extemporaneous comments here. With apologies to those who care about such things, neither redundancy nor ambiguity have been my intention. "Seems" seems perfectly suited to my attempt to avoid pontificating about Cuba and Cuban people.
          So much of what I read about Cuba seems to me to be drivel, pontification, or both. Thus herein I have merely posited my own impressions which come from the direct experience of falling in love with a people without being taken in by their leaders. That being so claimed, there is something to be said indeed for Fidel's 50 years as the unrivaled leader of Cuba without having resorted to war of any kind, external or domestic. And on Saturday night in Habana, there is little evidence of a police state, or so it seems to this pilgrim.

    • Posted By: sky 57 @ 01/03/2009 11:21:45 PM

      Your statement about the U.S. having the market cornered on mental depression is not supported by fact. It is fact that Cuba has a higher suicide rate than the U.S. and most other countries in this hemisphere. In order to become informed, you can examine the World Health Organization statistics and read To Die in Cuba by Louis A. Perez, for starters. Also, the thousands of Cubans (be they elite athletes or other Cuban citizens) that enter the U.S. and other countries each year are strong evidence that not all Cubans are content with their situation in Cuba.

  • Posted By: James Hovland @ 01/04/2009 12:11:09 AM

    Cuba is doing remarkably well considering how hard the Capitalists have tried to destroy them financially with sanctions over the last 50 years. American Capitalists have done their best to crush this little country, and have failed. Just watch what happens when the embargo and sanctions are lifted.

    The 'Right' is always quick to point out the economic hardships that others are suffering, and strategically avoid the fact that those economic hardships have been imposed for that purpose. What is being exposed in many of our current issues, and this one is no exception, is that the 'Right' is not the source of the propaganda as many believe, but rather a product of it. Capitalism itself will not fall, but it's grip on America's Democracy is slipping fast, and reality is driving a deep wedge between the 'Right' and the Capitalist agenda that is not what they believed it to be. The propaganda is failing for a reason, and for the same reason, the 'Right' is on the verge of collapse, I think I'll just let the author ponder that reason on his own.

    James Hovland, a product of freedom

  • Posted By: diegs @ 01/03/2009 11:28:21 PM

    How is the wonderful health care system in Mexico? What about the education system? I have lived in Mexico and have family who live there and it would be a joke to say either the health system or the education system there come anywhere close to the health and education systems in Cuba. Mexican public schools are horrendously underfunded and their public hospitals routinely lack the most basic medicines and medical instruments. And Mexico is a much wealthier country than Cuba, which doesn't have a tight embargo on its economy. Also, more Mexicans flee to the United States than Cubans, and Mexico has a generally much worse human rights record than Cuba. Western journalists (and tourists, except Americans) are free to go to Cuba and check out their health clinics and hospitals and schools.
    Also, you forgot to mention the terrorism against Cuba that was supported by the United States after 1959. The US still refuses to extradite the terrorist Luis Posada Carriles, who blew up a civilian Cuban airplane, killing 73 people. Of course Castro doesn't trust the US. Of course he''s paranoid! Check out http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153/index.htm

  • Posted By: Ralph0404 @ 01/03/2009 9:28:54 PM

    Whilst reading the article I was certain that thye author was one of the rabid right wing Cuban exiles in Miami. To my chagrin it was instead a former Mexican foreign minister? The anti-Castro cabal in Little Havana must surely confer on you the title "Honorary Cuban Exile" after your Castro-bashing piece.

    The miracle of Cuba is that it survived. Always under the gun and stifled for basic items from its powerful neighbor across the Florida Straits, Cuba has managed to survive and in fact when compared to its neighbors to the east on the island of Hispaniola (Haiti and the Dominican Republic) we can say that Cuba has done reasonably well given its constraints.

    Mr. Castaneda should look at every single country from Argentina all the way up to Mexico and do an unbiased comparison of all of these Latin American countries in terms of living conditions, medical conditions, crime and other social indicators over the past 50 years and he will see that Cuba has nothing to be ashamed of.

    Two weeks ago the Prime Minister (Patrick Manning) of one of the richest Caribbean countries, oil-rich Trinidad and Tobago went to Cuba for an operation to remove a cancerous growth. And Trinidad is no socialist state and they can certainly afford the "best" medical facilities anywhere in the world. Yet he chose Cuba because of its sterling reputation as regards medical care.

    Yes, Cuba has its flaws but it certainly has much to be proud of.

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