PROJECT GREEN

It’s Survival of the Weak and Scrawny

Researchers see 'evolution in reverse' as hunters kill off prized animals with the biggest antlers and pelts.

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  • Posted By: Dave 112358D @ 10/28/2009 11:54:03 AM

    Sometimes I wonder what the effects are of the game populations being abnormally healthy and how that might influence their development as a species. Unmanaged game populations or game herds threatened by high wolf populations have less time to feed, choose poorer terrain become sick and spread disease. Where game populations are managed, disease is less common. In fact hunters are better at managing game diseases like CWD than the rest of us are at managing swine flu.

  • Posted By: valhalla phil @ 02/24/2009 5:45:30 PM

    THis is definitely a lame article meant to try yet another end aound to the second amendment. "Those big bad hunters are ruining evolution! They must be stopped!" Expect similar idea's being 'run up the flag pole' in hopes that one of them will stick. These bozo's clearly don't have a clue what they're talking about.

  • Posted By: Whaler33 @ 02/13/2009 4:00:35 PM

    What an absolute piece of garbage journalism - if you are going to claim a decreasing number of something (anything?), state factual information (i.e.: last year, there were 100, and this year, there are 50). Instead, we are treated to a PETA-laden article, complete with brilliant analogies such as Star Wars sheep (Princess Leia looking? - don't tell the males that), to the eloquent but absurd, "losers left to breed" - wow, what great scientific opinions in the place of factual information! These analogies might work in laboratories, but in the wild (you have been outdoors, right Lily?), this crap does not stick. Most hunters harvest the most mature animals, which is different than the "best in the gene pools"......I suggest you do some research and post your findings.......wow, is it any wonder why the only place Newsweek can be found is in Doctor's offices??

    • Posted By: ambrosia72 @ 02/24/2009 12:56:59 PM

      There are studies, extensive, controlled, duplicated, both in the wild and in a laboratory setting. Due to size regulations, fish are maturing later and producing less eggs. Due to the removal of animals which have desirable traits, these traits are passed on less and less often. Please do your own research before spouting out inane and ignorant insults and assumptions.

  • Posted By: lizzielevinia @ 02/15/2009 10:53:32 PM

    I think the article provides food for thought, actually, Whaler33. I don't think evolutionary change can actually be monitored as such, drastically decreasing numbers over such a short period of time (A year? Really?) And I don't think the journalist was saying, Oh, hunting's messing up evolutionary progress! Cue:Panic! It might actually be a real issue if activities such as mass hunting (especially of animals as a food source) are putting directional pressure on communities of animals and I think we might really have to consider the repercussions of our unwelcome, badly regulated intervention. And the point of the magazine is to inform the average bloke on the street about what's going on in the world, if that means resorting to simplifying the concept by relating it to everyday stuff, then I think it has to be done. I'm positive most people would relate better to "Princess Leia looking" than "massive horns with a slight curvature, the tips of which can eventually reach the same level as the base"

  • Posted By: ScarySmile @ 02/12/2009 9:46:19 AM

    The assumtion that all or even the majority of regular hunters are hunting only trophy animals is absurd. I personally don't know anyone who does. The people you usually see hunting on TV can afford to spend several weeksor months in the field every year and pay big money to search for trophy game - often under controlled conditions. It may make good TV, but these people are the exception, not the rule. Most of us are luicky to get a few hours on the weekend and won't pass up venison because the antlers aren't pretty enough (that's if the deer even has antlers!)

  • Posted By: tom343 @ 02/02/2009 6:20:54 PM

    It seems Newsweek might be publishing a retraction? Some meatheads (like me) said this was uninformed propaganda, but some heavy erudite knowledgeable PhDs said you've been had. So, this is not politics, it's biology! Be a man! Publish a retraction as big as the story, and can Lily!

  • Posted By: tom343 @ 02/02/2009 6:13:45 PM

    The trophy ones were rare then and they're rare now. That's why they're called trophy's! And besides, in many venues where the 'endangered' animals are like vermin and have even learned to avoid cars while they cross the road to eat my roses after turning my neighbor's garden into a desert, the state makes you not take trophys; you get to take mundane animals.

  • Posted By: Brien Comerford @ 01/11/2009 5:02:35 PM

    Hunters are just as irreverent, cruel and inhumane as the violent criminals who torture and kill dogs and cats.

    • Posted By: LivetoHunt @ 01/26/2009 12:36:24 PM

      If you eat any meat or egg's you are just the same. Think about it.

  • Posted By: machoAmerican @ 01/13/2009 3:56:44 AM

    To all those guys who are ' SPORTS' - shooting an animal is not that sporty- try chasing them down and killing them with your bare hands: sink your teeth into the animals jugulars - now thats sporting! You have no sharp clawed fingers, large canine teeth or the speed and strength to chase down and kill a large animal., did I hear you say???- Thats because you were not designed to kill and eat large animals - you morons!

    • Posted By: LivetoHunt @ 01/26/2009 12:32:20 PM

      But it's ok to eat beef and pork from the store. DUMB ASS

  • Posted By: Omnivorous @ 01/13/2009 8:02:11 AM

    "machoAmerican" : I think you need to rethink your argument because the only moron on this site is you. Granted, evolution has changed our appearance somewhat but our omnivorous characteristics still shine through. In case you didn't know we were designed to eat both flora and fauna, and until recently when people like you decided that meat must just appears in our grocery store, we had to chase down and kill the meat portion of our diet.

    • Posted By: machoAmerican @ 01/16/2009 1:34:28 AM

      Omnivorous
      Read my sentence carefully- I said " humans are not designed to kill and eat large 'animals" -. Flesh of large animals ( mammals) became part of human diet only after the invention of tools like spears and bows& arrows. Prior to that the diet was mainly fruits, yams and green leafs. and occasional supplement of fish, insects, rodents and small animals.
      Gorillas and other apes( and horses) get all their protein from leafs - It's not a compulsory requirement to eat meat!

      • Posted By: LivetoHunt @ 01/26/2009 12:27:44 PM

        Fish is meat right. Think about it before you open your mouth.

  • Posted By: Webley442 @ 01/25/2009 11:45:27 PM

    In well-managed hunting preserves, the opposite effect is noted. Since the bigger animals are the most desirable to hunt, a properly managed hunting preserve tends to cull inferior specimens, eg those of unusually small size or with small antlers and limit hunting of the better specimens until after they have contributed to the genetic pool, ie they are off-limits until they reach an age where they past or nearly past their reproductive best. Over time in such preserves the animals get bigger and better. The biggest threat to animal populations is not hunting but agriculture as farmers don't tend to share their crops well with wild grazing animals like deer.

  • Posted By: Tankmech83 @ 01/24/2009 8:17:49 PM


    hunting regulates the population of the animals over populating can lead to a point where there is insufficient food for the animals thus it needs to be regulated. A bigger problem is the fact that there are too many people getting in the animals habitat. open season on lawyers, polititions, and stupid reporters and we could regulate that too. And how do we get record trophy game still today if there is a shrinkage of game?

  • Posted By: tjbeyer @ 01/20/2009 8:57:49 PM

    I partially agree with this article.. I am an avid hunter and I am also a Hunter education instructor in the state which I live. I personally believe it is unethical to hunt for trophy purposes. We should learn from the Indians, who hunted fo food, and used all the parts of the animal. It was not about trophy or who got the biggest animal, it was about surviving. Modern hunters now are more interested in feeding their ego's and pride rather then the freezer. I have heard the arguement about how a older buck, lets say a 10 pointer, is smarter then a younger buck - this may be true. With age comes wisdom and knowledge. But that 10 point buck would not be any smarter then a doe of the same age. If both animals stood in front of you - which would you shoot and why? Most hunters would shoot the 10 point buck - why?, for bragging rights.

  • Posted By: travelerj71 @ 01/19/2009 11:51:07 PM

    So how does a person combat falsifications and out and out lies. TRUTH. It appears Newsweek has become part of this game,(spreading false news to influence the uninformed),Jan 3, 2009.
    Lily Huang a newsweek reporter gave what Lily Huang thought would be the most interesting and compelling story that reporter fealt would influence those around her. All of this story



    "PROJECT GREEN



    It???s Survival of the Weak and Scrawny"

    was a complete lie showwing the deliberate attempt to influence those who trust the media and it's sources. And the magazine,"Newsweek" published this story without even verifying that reporters souces. Or worse yet they just gently looked away as the rollers began to print.
    The proper thing would have been to stop the presses and get rid of the lies they were printing and repremand the reporter responsible, they chose to just trust. That was nice wasn't it. Yet, is it compliant of credibility or the law?
    Well, Mr. Newsweek boardmember and publisher how dare you lie to the American public! Maybe your changing your reliablility factors into some sort of entertainment only news such as the martians are attacking us along with batboy at the pilot seat in the war weekly news.
    I tell ya how to combat liars compare thier credibility with the sources they claim.
    If it smells like spoiled meat it usually is.
    There was a time this gun grasping, hunt loving, fish getting, hard working American had a subscription to Newsweek because they seemed reliable but those days are gone. by almost 15 years now. The stories I read were not matching statistics and factual accounts then. So if I can't trust something I rid myself of it. And thats just what I did.
    I began reading other newsarticles and found my suspitions to be true.
    So to simply answer the question at hand how do you combat false articles such as this, truth. You can't argue against fact!

  • Posted By: travelerj71 @ 01/19/2009 11:40:12 PM

    Unfortunately this whole article was a lie just read,"USSA Combats False Impression Left by Newsweek Hunting Story" in the Buckeye Firearms Association. So any further arguements hold no grounds!

  • Posted By: travelerj71 @ 01/19/2009 11:39:02 PM

    Unfortunately this who article was a lie just read,"USSA Combats False Impression Left by Newsweek Hunting Story" in the Buckeye Firearms Association. So any further arguements hold no grounds!

  • Posted By: kristinrochon @ 01/06/2009 1:55:01 PM

    I disagree, hunting is barbic and hunting has killed of many speices. Have you ever heard of an endangered species? um yeah thank hunting, other factors such as climate change, over population etc. Are at play as well. However hunting by leagal liscenced hunters is much diffrent then illeagal poachers and i respect hunters that practice as a sport. I agree with this article and this author. Lets stop illeagal hunting and limit leagal hunting before it is to late. Have we not as an american public realized there is no way to go back afterwards and fix the devestation we have caused? It is time to take a stand. Some gun carrying activists and of course regular old hunters may disagree, that is fine. Disagree with gravity and jump off a building and gravity is still there. We have a long list of species that we as an unresponsible public have killed off. Maybe not evolution in reverse but still this is a valid issue. I for one appreciate the article.

    • Posted By: swimmergirl22 @ 01/15/2009 12:27:29 AM

      can you name a species that has become extinct by legal hunting? The reason hunting is in effect is the fact that control is needed for disease and overpopulation by a single animal. Have you heard about what the snow geese are doing to the tundras because of overpopulation?
      I think you may be a little confused about the hunting laws and the limits that are put on the animals. Those limits change very often based on the estimated population for the year.
      So again, what has been killed off by legal hunting? What hunting with the laws we have now have created endangered species? Just asking??? thanks.

    • Posted By: swimmergirl22 @ 01/15/2009 12:26:16 AM

      can you name a species that has become extinct by legal hunting? The reason hunting is in effect is the fact that control is needed for disease and overpopulation by a single animal. Have you heard about what the snow geese are doing to the tundras because of overpopulation?
      I think you may be a little confused about the hunting laws and the limits that are put on the animals. Those limits change very often based on the estimated population for the year.
      So again, what has been killed off by legal hunting? What hunting with the laws we have now have created endangered species? Just asking??? thanks.

  • Posted By: Deernut @ 01/14/2009 5:51:58 PM

    Change you can believe in?
    No article on the perils of trophy hunting is complete without reporting about the African elephant populations purported to be evolving to be tuskless. In 1969 and 1972 surveys revealed 10-12% of the females were without tusks, but then when surveyed again 1988-93, the estimate was 28-38%. They surmised (without data) the change was due to heavy ivory poaching. The problem with this argument is there was no monitoring between the 2 early years and the later period and no evidence for cause and effect. Even the original paper concedes that the proportion of the population without tusks changed with movements of elephant groups on and off the study area.

    To continually warn about the dangers of trophy hunting based on exceptional cases (and illegal poaching!) and a few poorly supported anecdotes takes significant ignorance or bias ??? neither of which is flattering for a scientist or writer.

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