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  • Posted By: ezekielnow @ 01/08/2009 11:47:24 PM

    I think that haidara has a good point...let's do a little imagining US citizens. Lets imagine that a fanatical religious group took over control of Canada and started lobbing rockets into our northern states. What would we do???
    By the way haidara...just because the Hamas are lousy shots and stupid doesn't make the Israelies terrorist...it just makes them better shots and smarter.

  • Posted By: jos_greg @ 01/08/2009 11:46:14 PM

    I've been in the military for 18 years. Israel is by far our BEST allie in the middle east. Many of the people living in the arab nations that surround Israel would love to see them and us wiped off the Earth. As our staunchest allies in that region of the world, we need to support and back them as we would expect them to back us. If the US had another state sponsored terrorist group shooting missle into our country, would we really expect Israel to condemn, or not back us in the defense of our country and it's citizens? Golda Mier said "There will be no peace until they love their child more than the hate us". This is so true. Mr Miller, were you at the pro-hamas demonstration in Ft. Lauderdale? For anyone who haven't seen the hate that these people spew on our own streets, I think you can find it in YouTube.

  • Posted By: ZamMill @ 01/08/2009 11:44:30 PM

    Any excuse for collectively punishing 1.5 million civilians and keeping them locked up in essentially a large ghetto is a sign of moral bankruptcy. As Miller states above: "Jews worry for a living", but the Israeli leadership clearly does not worry too much about non-Jewidh life: the death tolls do not lie.

  • Posted By: ZamMill @ 01/08/2009 11:42:32 PM

    Any excuse for collectively punishing 1.5 million civilians and keeping them locked up in essentially a large ghetto is a sign of moral bankruptcy. As Miller states above: "Jews worry for a living", but the Israeli leadership clearly does not worry too much about non-Jewidh life: the death tolls do not lie.

  • Posted By: farooq15 @ 01/08/2009 11:39:48 PM

    A GOOD SENSIBLE AND BALAN CED ARTICLE BY A PERSON WHO UDERSTANDS THE GROUND REALITIES.

  • Posted By: ummakhan @ 01/08/2009 11:39:41 PM

    "But does it make sense for America to support its policy of punishing Hamas by making life unbearable for 1.5 million Gazans by denying aid and economic development? The answer is no."

    ENOUGH SAID!

  • Posted By: BrightStars @ 01/08/2009 11:39:10 PM

    Because we don't want a nuclear Iran you suggest we use forceful persuasion on a smaller nation to give up their property because a bully of a nation wants it? Giving in to Iran's voracious appetite will only cause it to desire more and will make them believe they need only to yell nuclear and it will get what it wants and more. This is simply unamerican to use our influence (that could be taken away in a heartbeat) to put pressure on a weaker nation! We are the bullys if we will make another give part of their dwindling land up because we fear nuclear war. If we gave into Hitler all of Europe would be under the Nazi regime. It only needs one to stand up to oppression for others to follow. People are dying to keep what is rightfully theirs. Giving in to Iran we never make peaceful coexistence there.

  • Posted By: Onwa @ 01/08/2009 11:39:01 PM

    CitizenOfHumanity - My point precisely! It will be a holocaust, and that is one of the reasons Israel HAVEN'T done that. I'm just not sure what Omaar is getting at? What exactly is Israel doing that is wrong? Not saying there's nothing wrong with it, just wishing to point out that if people have nothing constructive to say on the matter (he is wrong, he is right.. yeah we got that), they shouldn't say anything.

  • Posted By: lzylwr @ 01/08/2009 11:37:00 PM

    I'm really starting to not like Newsweek. First about that divorce article several years ago that proclaimed most men were pigs and then this gem.

    First, I find it tragic that so many innocent people are dying in this conflict--both Israelis AND palestinians, but WHY did the palestinians elect a terrorist organization to begin with??? And why does everyone seem to criticize when Israel defends itself? Time and time again, "Israel show constraint, Israel show constraint." Why? Is it because they are Jews? If this happened to the United States, we would invade the people who were attacking us, regardless if the civilian population was in charge or not. So, why are we telling Israel what to do?

    Mr. Miller, while I completely respect your views, I think you need to understand that Israel is surrounded by enemies and has done EVERYTHING to try and mitigate the violence. NOTHING HAS WORKED. First, there was that pig Arafat who said he "wanted peace" and the whole world (jncluding Bill Clinton--mind you, I am a Democrat) who believed him and fell for his lies. The palestinians had a chance for peace, but unfortunately, these extremists always will have the final say when it comes to dealings with Israel. I think anyone who believes "peace" can actually come between these two groups in the near future is highly mistaken and is living in an ivory tower. Sure, you can dream, but don't say that "Israel needs to stop" or "President Obama has to take a tough stance against Israel" so scum like Hamas can gather more weapons, attack Israeli cities and then blame Israel when they defend themselves and Hamas uses their own civilians as human shields.

    If you really want pace in the region, support Israel AND the moderate Arab leaders like Abbas, the people who REALLY want peace in the region. As far as I am concerned, Hamas should be completely and utterly destroyed, because they will unfortunately never change. They are too rooted in their hate and will always be dedicated to wiping Israel off the face of the earth. Just like Al-Qaida (or the Nazis), there can be no reasoning with people who will do all that they can to enslave humanity to their own narrow-minded and dangerous agenda.

    Did we just stand by when Al-Qaida attacked us? Did we stand by when Japan attacked Peal Harbor? Israel has lost JUST AS MANY people from terrorist attacks! .While it's terrible that Palestinian civilians are dying, Newsweek, please stop being naive.

  • Posted By: lzylwr @ 01/08/2009 11:36:40 PM

    I'm really starting to not like Newsweek. First about that divorce article several years ago that proclaimed most men were pigs and then this gem.

    First, I find it tragic that so many innocent people are dying in this conflict--both Israelis AND palestinians, but WHY did the palestinians elect a terrorist organization to begin with??? And why does everyone seem to criticize when Israel defends itself? Time and time again, "Israel show constraint, Israel show constraint." Why? Is it because they are Jews? If this happened to the United States, we would invade the people who were attacking us, regardless if the civilian population was in charge or not. So, why are we telling Israel what to do?

    Mr. Miller, while I completely respect your views, I think you need to understand that Israel is surrounded by enemies and has done EVERYTHING to try and mitigate the violence. NOTHING HAS WORKED. First, there was that pig Arafat who said he "wanted peace" and the whole world (jncluding Bill Clinton--mind you, I am a Democrat) who believed him and fell for his lies. The palestinians had a chance for peace, but unfortunately, these extremists always will have the final say when it comes to dealings with Israel. I think anyone who believes "peace" can actually come between these two groups in the near future is highly mistaken and is living in an ivory tower. Sure, you can dream, but don't say that "Israel needs to stop" or "President Obama has to take a tough stance against Israel" so scum like Hamas can gather more weapons, attack Israeli cities and then blame Israel when they defend themselves and Hamas uses their own civilians as human shields.

    If you really want pace in the region, support Israel AND the moderate Arab leaders like Abbas, the people who REALLY want peace in the region. As far as I am concerned, Hamas should be completely and utterly destroyed, because they will unfortunately never change. They are too rooted in their hate and will always be dedicated to wiping Israel off the face of the earth. Just like Al-Qaida (or the Nazis), there can be no reasoning with people who will do all that they can to enslave humanity to their own narrow-minded and dangerous agenda.

    Did we just stand by when Al-Qaida attacked us? Did we stand by when Japan attacked Peal Harbor? Israel has lost JUST AS MANY people from terrorist attacks! .While it's terrible that Palestinian civilians are dying, Newsweek, please stop being naive.

  • Posted By: umustbelieveit @ 01/08/2009 9:06:48 PM

    Finally someone gets it. The U.S. needs to get tough with Israel. Good bye Bush!

    • Posted By: Vypurr @ 01/08/2009 9:15:16 PM

      Get tough with Israel? In what way? No mention of getting tough with the terrorists of Hamas I see.

      • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/08/2009 11:35:09 PM

        BY FIRST GIVING THEM 3 BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR OF THE US TAX PAYERS TAX MONEY

  • Posted By: CitizenOfHumanity @ 01/08/2009 11:33:13 PM

    goclassical - where do you get your facts? Israel? Usually, in a crisis, you need to read on both sides. I suggest you do that.

    And if Israel has the right to track down the people that launch missles over their country, I suppose Palestinians have the same right. The flaw in your argument is that it can go both ways.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/08/2009 9:00:32 PM

    Israel is Portrayed around the World as.... Holy

    "Portrayed as God Chosen People"

    "That The World Should Pay Homage to them"

    "That they live in the So Called "Holy Land" ..

    As if other Lands-Countries are not "Holy"

    As though they are Innocent and Justified, like today, of doing No Wrong.

    As though they are justified in Every Military Act.

    "We are being Threatened on a Daily Basis and are So Helpless"

    Though Israel has all the Nuclear Weapons, Biological & Chemical Weapons and the Superior Military Might...

    While the Palestinians are Living in Poverty and Despair, Israel is the Real Threat and Danger.

    Note: Every Person that walks, talks and Breathes is God's Chosen for this earth and For this Time.

    Before there ever was a Israel, there was God, Earth and the Planets & Stars above.

    God, Earth and Human Beings in general, have been around Far Longer than Arabs & Jews...

    Far Longer than Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Religion in general.

    Long before America, the UK....

    God and Civilized Man Exceeds Judaism, Islam and Christianity.

    Those Religions have only 4 Thousand Year Life Span, Collectively....

    Seperately even LESS TIME than that.

    The 1st Man and his Beliefs have been around for 100's of thousands of Years.

    Men & Women of All Kind, were Chosen and still to this day are Chosen and God favors None Above the Other.

    Until God & Nature says... ENOUGH

    • Posted By: phillr3 @ 01/08/2009 9:11:03 PM

      1) The Israel you speak, has been here from the time of beginning you speak.

      2) There is a separation of the two groups in conflict as we speak. Just so you you do not deviate, where most err.

      3) The very Land of Israel was proclaimed and given in covenant by the God you speak to: Israel. The problem is again, conflict between the 2 groups aforementioned.

      4) Israel WON the disputed land in war against insurmountable odds in 1967. Wht give it back? Especially after winning it, and it's gift in covenant by God?

      Just a few thoughts. I do not wish to argue, just make a few points.

      Have a good day.

      • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/08/2009 11:33:09 PM

        THE VERY SAME GOVERNMENT(S), NOT GOD GAVE ISRAELI'S ISRAEL...

        THE FOLLOWING COUNTRIES GAVE ISRAEL THE LAND..NOT GOD

        GET YOUR HEAD OUT THAT BABEL..I MEAN BIBLE

        AMERICA, THE UK AND WESTERN EUROPE GAVE THE ISRAELI'S MILITARY MIGHT, WEAPONS, BIOLOGICAL & CHEMICAL, AS WELL AS NUCLEAR AND THE TONS OF BILLIONS PER YEAR.

        GOD IS A SILENT OBSERVER...

        TO MIGHT, MAKES RIGHT, WHILE GOD IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND...

        NICE TRY, THANKS FOR PLAYING THE GAME.

      • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/08/2009 9:26:06 PM

        YOU ARE DEAD DOG... WRONG

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/08/2009 8:59:31 PM

    Israel cannot be Blown into the Damn Sea.

    Israel cannot be gotten Rid Of...

    An Israel cannot be Exterminated..

    OK

    The Poor Victim, Scare Tactic Ain't Working ANYMORE...

    Israel has Weapons of Mass Destruction...

    Biological, Chemical and Over 200 Nuclear Weapons...

    They are the Oppressor....

    The Oppressed gets to Live and Become the [Oppressor]

    Everything happens in Cycles, Phases and Stages...Period

    It is Now Israel in the Oppressor's Position Now.

    Israel is No Victim Here...

    Sorry

    Note: Over 200 Illegally Obtained Nuclear Weapons, Biological & Chemical Weapons and Military Might and Israel is the Victim...

    Please

    Israel would Love to Rid the Middle East of Arabs, like they are doing now, with the Palestinians, whereas they can control all those Damn Oil Fields and turn the World's Economy in their Favor, by holding the World Hostage on Oil Prices....

    The Israeli's are no Saints when it comes to Wanting to Rid the Middle East of Arabs also....

    DUH

    • Posted By: allen in oregon @ 01/08/2009 10:03:57 PM

      Omar
      You voice some amazing opinions and facts. There are a couplke of things that I am curious about, though. You say that all of the Religions have only been around (collectively) for 4000 years, but The Israelites first entered the Holy Land somewhere around 1900 B.C. A few hundred years later, the Philistines (later becoming known as Palestinians--go ahead and agrue that...it is in the history books) came along and attempted to steal their land after being repelled by the Egyptians--who called them Phoenicians. This battle has been going on since that time.

      Now--as far as the nuclear weapons--it is amazing that you have a knowledge of this quanity, as it is something that no country( at least publicly) has been able to verify. In fact, noone has been able to verify the possession of ANY nuclear weapons in Israel.

      Also, if Israel was so determined to destroy the Palestinians, then why are they living at peace with those on the West Bank? An agreement was made between the two groups and peace has reigned ever since. Not only that, but the West Bank is prospering...right along with Lebanon (who also found out that it is not a good idea to cause problems).

      It is time for Hamas to realize that rabid dogs do get kicked--and eventually put out of their misery. If they want peace, then they need to stop the rocket attacks and allow INTERNATIONAL monitoring of the area.

      • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/08/2009 11:28:37 PM

        That's Borderline Bull Spit

        Wikipedia...Google...Research

      • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/08/2009 11:27:32 PM

        SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE...ARYAN

        SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE RACIST HATE MONGER, USING THE BIBLE HISTORY TO JUSTIFY..

        EXTERMINATION OF THIS RACE OF PEOPLE.

        HITLER, MUSSOLINI, STALIN, KARL MARX AND LENIN ARE SMILING ON YOU...

        THE PALESTINIANS WILL NEVER BE EXTERMINATED, THE WORLD WILL NOT ALLOW IT...SORRY

        YOU SO CALLED CHRISTIANS ARE THE BIGGEST RACIST & HATE MONGERS ON THE PLANET AN YOU JUSTIFY YOUR HATE FILLED NATURE WITH THE BIBLE'S BLESSINGS...

        I MEAN, THE BABEL'S CURSINGS.

        ALL IN THE NAME OF JESUS AND ISRAEL...

        THE ISRAELI'S DO NOT ACCEPT YOUR JESUS CHRIST AS WELL AS THE MUSLIMS...

        THAT'S SOMETHING THEY BOTH HAVE IN COMMON...

        FOREVER REJECTING JESUS CHRIST AS GOD OR THE MESSIAH

        WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT

  • Posted By: CitizenOfHumanity @ 01/08/2009 11:28:23 PM

    Onwa - wiping Palestinians and Lebanese people off the face of the Earth? Sounds like a Holocaust, no?

  • Posted By: goclassical @ 01/08/2009 11:28:18 PM

    Israel has every right to track down those who shoot missiles over into their country. America had best stay on the side of Israel if she desires God's Blessing. Watch out America!!
    Omaar you are misinformed.
    1700crs you are right on spot!!!

  • Posted By: Two-k-Nine @ 01/08/2009 7:49:30 PM

    This comment is a reply to both postings from distantsmoke and kingt82. In a way you both brought up good points. However, I don't agree with the fact you said arab/muslims want to kill the jews. I am arab and muslim and I don't believe anyone has the right to denounce israel or any other country or entity. God giveth and God taketh. We need to understand that ALL religions teach peace but political agendas don't. At the end of the day both parties involved in a conflict lose, some more than others. There are victims either way you look at it. I have faith in our president elect to bring people together and find ways to reason with all parties that there should be a solution to the conflict. Till then please put the hatred, the anger, the despair, the pessimism aside and help spread the good when we can.

    • Posted By: distantsmoke @ 01/08/2009 11:25:31 PM

      Two-k-nine, I appreciate your reasoned tone and your arguements. I agree that wrong has been done on both sides. But I must admit that I am pessimistic about "peace in the Middle east", when one side's stated goal is the total annihilation of the other side.

      I remember the arguements that it was the occupation of the Gaza Strip that drove the intifada. "Diplomats" all over the world assured Israel that if only the Gaza Strip were given completely to the Palestinians to rule, the violence against Israel would stop. Not only was this done, but American Jews paid Israel for the prosperous greenhouses so they could be given to the Palestinians to "jump start" their economy.

      Palestinains then destroyed the greenhouses, and have rained thousands of motars on Israel since she gave up the Gaza Strip. Lesson learned? Palestinians did not want land, or a healthy economy. They want to kill every Jew they can.

      I agree both sides need to engage in reasonable behavior. But I have yet to see any sign that the Palestinians know what that might be.

      You say you are Arab and Muslim, I tell you that you are the only one who I have heard say that no one has the right to denounce Israel. And I must temper my joy at your words, because I have no way of knowing if they are taqiyya or not. And please do not get angry and think I am calling you a liar. My point is that I have no way of knowing, just as I have no way of knowing which Muslims want to kill me for my race and my religion.

      Terrorists are not kind enough to wear uniforms or even badges, so I can't tell which ones I should be afraid of. So I end up fearing all Muslims.

      It may sound as if I only see the Israeli side, but that is not true. I truly wish the Palsetinian people well. I wish they all had decent prosperous jobs. I wish they all lived in grand houses. I wish they all had more food than they can eat. And I wish every Palestinian child safety and security from birth to a natural death after a long life.

      I speak more on behalf of Israel, because so few people do. The BBC is anti-Israeli, the American media is anti-Israeli, the UN is anti-Israeli, all Arab media is anti-israeli. So the only story most people here is the one orchestrated by the Palestinians. And I do not say that their version is completely untrue. But if all you ever hear is one side, you often don't think to question what you are hearing.

      I do appreciate your reasoned tone and your apparent willingness to discuss these issues in a civilized manner.

  • Posted By: CitizenOfHumanity @ 01/08/2009 11:24:21 PM

    Clearthinker123 - How does murdering 800 Palestinians in what can only be descibed as a concentration camp qualify as "moral high ground". They've rammed a ship full of humanitarians trying to bring aid and they've killed UN workers, forcing the UN to halt all aid to Palestine (furthering the humanitarian crisis). Israel is allowing what is described by international law, Jewish settlements in Gaza and the West Bank, so how does that qualify Israel as having left? Israel also has an economic blockade on Gaza, limiting their fuel and food supply - the moral high road?

    Secondly, Israel broke the cease-fire back in November. CNN and other new sources such as The Economist verified that, see this article: http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=348984&story_id=12609936

    When making accusations as strong as yours, its best you check your facts. Israel is also building a wall THROUGH Palestinian territory, the territory they claim they no longer occupy. Israel was created by expelling MILLIONS of Palestinian's from their land back in 1948 and have since occupied Palestine and has suppressed the Palestinian people in indescribable way. Reading up on the history will inform you of that. This is not the first massacre against the Palestinian population. Maybe if you knew the facts, you would know why a helpless, defenseless population had to elect Hamas, as they were (and still are) being killed by Israel all the time.

    HHGUY - If Israel will want to kill for every brother, sister, mother and father they have lost, how do you think the murder of 800 Palestinians will helpl? You think Palestinians don't have the same though that you do? Palestinian's have families too. Family's that are currently being ripped to shreds. Israel has been killing Palestinians for YEARS.

    This article by Miller is truely amazing. He very accurate in stating that the US backing of Israel has undermined US national security and even Israel's. War is not the way to end terrorism (we've already learned that in Iraq and Afghanistan). The only way to end this conflict is give Palestinians their freedom (and their refugees the right of return to their HOMELAND).

    Perhaps if you were able to put yourselves in Palestinians shoes the way you've been able to put yourself in Israel's shoes, you would see things the way that they are. Israel is state-sponsored terrorism.

    I urge you to read and find the history and the truth on this subject before justifying this massacre again the people of Gaza.

  • Posted By: drpsuedonym @ 01/08/2009 11:24:06 PM

    I think the point that people forget is that the reason Palestineans fight Israel is because their land is being occupied. Why should they not resist?

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