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  • Posted By: Russianbluish @ 01/08/2009 6:35:31 PM

    I'm in general agreement with the author of this article. . 1) Israel absolutely does have the right to defend itself. 2) Israel should not be blamed for the poverty of The Palestinians since they originated as Jordanian poor people and since they found themselves on land acquired by Israel in the war, they became a convenient tool for Arab and Moslem haters of Israel to repackage into a new ethnic group. 3) Once Hamas is demolished, it would be wise of Israel in being the creative jewish democracy (it is not trivial to say that this is not a contradiction in terms) that it is cracked up to be to offer serious help to the Palestinians and try to repackage them into a new form and assimilate them into Israeli society. They should do this rather than let them go on being the public relations tool that Arabs and Islamo-fascists are using against Israel. And to those who say that the incorporation of Palestinians into Israeli society cannopt be done I say:

    a) That peace between Israel and The Palestinians can be brought about by creating a system in which both sides become culturally and economically interdependent on each other.
    b) It is absolutely possible! Look at the example of how Hispanics came into existence. The White Spaniards marched into Mexico and brutally massacred many Indians. Eventually, they interbred and Africans were added to the mix and today you have Spanish Speaking countries that look up to Spain as some great aspect of their heritage. My point here is that human beings are malleable so these changes can be made.

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  • Posted By: Firebird2k6 @ 01/08/2009 6:34:35 PM

    Wow. Way to complain about EVERYTHING but offer no solutions.

    Get tough on Israel? Israel needs to be tought. When Palastine finally grows up and understands that once they dump all the radicals, they'll have their peace, everything will be fine.

    Get tough on Palastine, not Israel, a rare, close ally. Grow some common sense.

  • Posted By: reality please @ 01/08/2009 6:33:14 PM

    The faulty logic in the writer's reasoning is that he or she obviously never heard of the cold war where denying the Soviets aid and economic development brought about the demise of that threat. Unfortunately that meant life was miserable for some Soviet citizens, just as it does for Gazans. That is the only peaceful way to bring about change. The fact that Hamas has chosen to repeatedly resort to violence rather peacefully negotiate change as the Soviets did is not the fault of Israel. Israel was being attacked as we were on September 11th and has every right to counter that threat. The fate of the innocent lies with Hamas.

  • Posted By: b7554 @ 01/08/2009 6:18:45 PM

    Wow, is this what passes for serious journalism today. What alternate reality does Mr. Miller inhabit. The premise that the Palestinians will accept a two state solution in the Middle East is nothing short of a fantasy. While the Palestinian Authority may accept that solution, Hamas has been very clear that the only solution is the elimination of Israel. The current issue in the Gaza has nothing to do with Israel's desire for peace and the details of a two state solution. Rather it has everything to do with Hamas' stated goal to eliminate Israel. Please do not forget that while Hamas received a majority vote of the Gaza population, it is not the exclusive goverment of Gaza. It acheived that status through the forceable expulsion of the Palestinian Authority. This fact leads me to my next point, Hamas is the recognized government of Gaza. This is one country attacking another. The result is usually a war. Civilians are always casualties of war and they cease to be victims when it is a war between countries. As far as proportionality is concerned, that factor again ceases to be relevant when it is a war between countries. The devastation inflicted on the civilian population of Europe by both sides was tragic, but is the natural consequence of war. I do not believe that the winner in these wars gains some moral superiority over the losing side merely by winning. If the people of Gaza find this unacceptable, they can remove Hamas from power, stop the attacks on Israel and engage in serious peace discussions. Until that happens, what ever befalls them is the direct result of their government's actions. Please Mr. Miller, return to reality or stop passing off your uniformed opinions a journalism, move it to the op ed page where it belongs.

    • Posted By: Catwoman31 @ 01/08/2009 6:32:02 PM

      "Hey! Pssst...Newsweek" Hire this person...they are a lot more interesting. And wow, even use facts. ;-)

  • Posted By: Russianbluish @ 01/08/2009 6:31:42 PM

    I'm in general agreement with the author of this artiicle. . 1) Israel absolutely does have the right to defend itself. 2) Israel should not be blamed for the poverty of The Palestinians since they originated as Jordanian poor people and since they found themselves on land acquired by Israel in the war, they became a convenient tool for Arab and Moslem haters of Israel to repackage into a new ethnic group. 3) Once Hamas is demolished, it would be wise of Israel in being the creative jewish democracy (it is not trivial to say that this is not a contradiction in terms) that it is cracked up to be to offer serious help to the Palestinians and try to repackage them into a new form and assimilate them into Israeli society. They should do this rather than let them go on being the public relations tool that Arabs and Islamo-fascists are using against Israel. And to those who say that the incorporation of Palestinians into Israeli society cannopt be done I say:

    a) That peace between Israel and The Palestinians can be brought about by creating a system in which both sides become culturally and economically interdependent on each other.
    b) It is absolutely possible! Look at the example of how Hispanics came into existence. The White Spaniards marched into Mexico and brutally massacred many Indians. Eventually, they interbred and Africans were added to the mix and today you have Spanish Speaking countries that look up to Spain as some great aspect of their heritage. My point here is that human beings are malleable so these changes can be made.

    Jordan Hal Mosman
    Owner Mosman Star Provider
    Applicant to Schools of Veterinary Medicine
    Former Veterinary Technician certified as Animal Control Officer
    Former Graduate student in neurobiology
    Former High School Chemistry Teacher
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    Science-Fiction Writer
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  • Posted By: Lenny 1964 @ 01/08/2009 6:28:45 PM

    Israel is only 23% of post-WW I Palestine. The Muslims own the vast majority of Palestinian lands. But they want it all. Here???s the breakdown:

    #1 - Jordan - 76% of Palestine
    #2 - Israel - including all the disputed lands - 23% of Palestine
    #3 - Gaza - 1% of Palestine

  • Posted By: Lenny 1964 @ 01/08/2009 6:27:26 PM

    Israel is only 23% of post-WW I Palestine. The Muslims own the vast majority of Palestinian lands. But they want it all. Here???s the breakdown:

    #1 - Jordan - 76% of Palestine
    #2 - Israel - including all the disputed lands - 23% of Palestine
    #3 - Gaza - 1% of Palestine

  • Posted By: AKAmomcani @ 01/08/2009 6:26:46 PM

    I think if Obama wants to be tough, he should get tough on the Palestinians. Tell them to grow up and stop being the neighborhood bully who cries when the little guy turns around and beats the crap out of him.

  • Posted By: Gary in Vermont @ 01/08/2009 6:24:12 PM

    It is wonderful to finally read something that is right on regarding the Arib and Israli conflict and the the US postion. Aaron David Miller has the guts to speak the truth. Ending this conflict will definately require great sacrafices from everyone concerned . Patticularly sacrifices of egos. If the world wants to get along let's determine what the opossing sides really want and make decisions that are ultimately in the best interest of everyone. Israel must give up the land it acquired before the war. The Palestinians have evey right to their indipendent homeland also. Israel must stop controling the supply of water. The Palestinians and the Arab world needs to recognize that Israel is here to stay and further blood shead is never going to change that reality. It is time for both sides to grow up and forget hate for the sake of hateing. that serves no purpose. As my Miller so elliquently states, My Oboma can do more good for all by getting tough on Israel and the Arabs equally. Both are wrong in what they are doing. The only way the problems can start to end is if the US commits to deal wiht both countries and people equally. In order to deal with the East we need to stop thinking as Westerners and start understanding the East. Equality of deplomicy is the answer not military means. Terrorism and the killing of inocent people goes against all religions. I believe in my heart that My Obama is in the right place at the right time to help the world.

  • Posted By: TKidding72 @ 01/08/2009 6:16:55 PM

    The author of this article is a moron! Let me break it down to you. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THE WORST RECESSION SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION!!!! Why on earth would we be giving aid to anyone? Let alone people that would rather kill you than look at you because they believe we are evil. At this point in time we need to take care of our own problems instead of sticking our nose into places where it doesn't belong. Israel has real problems with Islamic extremist. Just like the rest of the world does. Israel has been harsh but in war you have to be. Its real easy to sit back and judge when you don't have cruise missiles hitting your pre-schools. If I was Israel I would hit them so hard and for so long they would have to surrender. Thats the way wars are ended idiot!

    • Posted By: Catwoman31 @ 01/08/2009 6:23:40 PM

      That was hot! I agree. ;-)

  • Posted By: user_name @ 01/08/2009 6:16:24 PM

    and the media does need to shut up but they never will, If the New York Times and NBC towers were hit by MORTARS they still wouldnt get it, they would just blame themselves or America or Israel, It's like those people who have someone murder their son and not get mad at the murderer but be mad a society for "making him that way" it's such a twisted and suicidal way of thinking. People need to study history before they start to try and revise it to suit their present day deranged "sending random rockets over borders" antics. Denying history and explaining present day hatred and killing on false historic opinion will lead those involved towards a military build up, aroused by blame and hatred and frustration and denial, I HOPE YOU DO NOT RISE TO ACT ON THESE TWISTED MISLEADINGS BUT AS THE NAZIS RECENTLY HAD THEIR TRY...FREEDOM WILL KNOCK YOU DOWN AND YOUR HATRED WILL DISAPPEAR! its pretty simple, but its just getting more sick as these groups dress and hide as women and hospital patients and store weapons in and around schools,,look upon yourself wake up! get those amongst you who sustain oppression and thrive off fear of their own people for false strength. With the millions upon millions in donations and such and smuggling and Support from groups that hate Israel, you'd think there may be some progress in Gaza jeez with those many millions NOT WASTED ON WEAPONS FOR "THE CAUSE" every one could retire and live on vacation the rest of their lives! 1.5 million people 100's of millions of dollars.......hmmmm does anyone know the math. I think someone in an unbiased position should take a look at the cirriculum in whatever education system is up as well...from what I saw of some of it, there is a striking similarity to........North Korea's Doctrine. peace out, lay down hatred and use your minds, pulling a trigger is quite a primitive way to deal with things, the human brain has been designed to handle things in a variety of other ways!

  • Posted By: user_name @ 01/08/2009 6:16:13 PM

    I highly doubt in a free nation like the United States of America a state like say Colorado would be voting in a group like Hamas and then let them fire rockets into Nebraska,, haha see how goofy the people who are allowing these murderous groups to remain in their territory and act out on their hatred look. There is obviously some sort of twisted grudge against Jews,
    and this lopsided force thing is a charade if i've ever heard one, if a few mosquitoes start biting me i dont delicately pick them up with tweezers after i've let them take all the blood from me they want and then place them in a comfy box and then let them come get more BLOOD and to invite all their friends, who are only seeking blood! I swat the sucKer!
    Some people just hate Israel for some reason, and they think the best way for Israel to fight would be to turn their guns to their own head. This shows that there is no chance of peace sadly. There were many groups throughout history which were murdered and hated and such, it comes down to maybe, just maybe good people weeding out the ones in their own community that are set on hate and whose life's aspirations consist of making up obsurb reasons to kill, try picking up a hobby or kicking around a soccer ball, jeeeeeeeeeez when times are bad you figure out a way to make life better, NoT listen to some NUT WHO says the answer is to rise up...against who? oh its these people who are living freely and peacefully around the world,,its their fault that we are living like this....EVen though? wait they arent around where are they ? Shut up,,it's their fault..we must rise up and attack the oppressors! ok lets go, seems like the only solution to so many who have been led to the "DARK SIDE" luuuuke I am your.... I think people just need to calm down look around them, take a breathe and maybe look outside to successful states and request help with structure and such, there are only a few 1st world countries on earth it is sad, when it has been decades....centuries of trying to fix things with hatred, dont you think that maybe a new route may be the answers. And asking others to put down their guard and then keep attacking is never going to fix anything, I guarantee this much, countries who posess freedom will defend that freedom ! JOIN FREEDOM ! stop fighting freedom, and regressing with old ways and oppression upon your own innocent and your women...my god, some of the laws, THE FACT that there are still forms of punishment like "STONING TO DEATH" shows there is a lack of development in society, and people live in fear and are brainwashed. Something needs to happen and as rich and successful as many of the leaders in the middle east are, they are not putting as much effort as they can to help their people. Sounds like there is just alotta screaming and lying and not the right people talking about how to make things better.

  • Posted By: Captain Krunch @ 01/08/2009 6:15:30 PM

    There's not much chance of missing the devisivness in the responses published thus far. What's puzzling is the overwhelming reponse of the Jewish community on behalf of Liberal Democrats. The Jewish community may want to re-examine who their true allies are if and when Democrats abandon their commitments ... as the flip flop position with Senator-select Burris demonstrates.

  • Posted By: user_name @ 01/08/2009 6:14:44 PM

    If this was about Israel seeking out carnage and innocent lives,...they could be taking out thousands of lives every few minutes. That is not the case, like many other oppressed people around the world, it is their own ruling class that is obsessing over building military and blaming the oppression on the most successful and free countries around the world. Brainwashing comes to mind. I know many who have escaped from these situations and are now living without fear and buying drinks at starbucks for $4-5, haha. All points trying to explain away things as Israel's fault fail to use the truth, but bend it into ways it can be used as blame...reminds me of a 7 year old child who has just figured out how to cover his @$$ when in trouble by bending the truth. "Oh blockades, and haulting humanitarian etc etc...." it was flowing through until some idiots tried to sneak in supplies that were NOT for the purposes of supporting life, camoflauge uniforms do not fit into promoting the welfare to humanity. Israel has the right to retaliate to years of missle attacks in whatever way that will stop these random attacks. The "leaders" of these murderous groups had many chances to come to some sort of agreement, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm all they say is "we will not stop until Israel is no more" sounds constructive to me! Im surprised Israel isnt being blamed for rigging elections and implanted Hamas into power, and yes hamas is running things, if they werent then they would not be freely firing into israel.

  • Posted By: mac123 @ 01/08/2009 6:14:03 PM

    God help us if we don't back Israel. If someone were shooting in my back yard, yes I would defend myself and even go on attack to see if I could stop if from happening again. But then, I believe what the Bible says, and since some Americans seem determined to push him out of the USA, I believe the day will come again soon when terrorist will attack us again in our own country. Where will we be then.

  • Posted By: Todd_I @ 01/08/2009 6:13:46 PM

    Israel is clearly in the right. They have offered peace many times--each time they are rewarded with attacks. Even at the time of Arafat's death, ussually a time to recognize someone's accomplishments, former President Clinton mentioned in his condolences that Arafat had missed the best chance for peace in five decades. The Palestinians are wrong. They need to get over their 4000 year old grudge and start acting civilized.

    I feel for Israel. No matter what they do they look bad in the world's eye. They are not the underdog and so they look like the bully even when they defend themself.

  • Posted By: bklyndiddy @ 01/08/2009 6:13:37 PM

    I think this article was fair in examining the issues of the Middle East. It was good to see an article from someone who has actually been an advisor for both sides of the major political parties. I think he makes valid points that are worth consideration for true peace. True peace does not come from annihilation of others we do not agree with. True peace comes from people acknowledging that they may not agree, but are willing to compromise. In this compromise both sides should realize that I may not get everything I desire-but I get what is fair and allows for all people to experience prosperity. Both sides have done atrocious things to one another. No one is innocent in this conflict. People must give up the negative human feeling of always wanting to be right or that their cause is anymore special than the next man. History has served many cultures with tragedy, we must remember but not have an attitude of entitlement. However, we should have empathy for our fellow man. I believe the greed of acquiring land is no reason to annihilate humanity. I pray that one day the saying" Peace in the Middle East" will no longer be relevant.

  • Posted By: Catwoman31 @ 01/08/2009 6:11:21 PM

    Another reporter who thinks he is god. Why doesn't the news just report the facts and let everyone draw their own conclusion. I'm tired of being treated like I do not have a brain. I am getting really tired of the stereo typing and generalized statements. Especially saying things like "Obama is going to have to..." What are this guys qualifications? How in the world does he know what Obama is going to have to do and why should we listen to him. Facts! Where are the facts???

  • Posted By: wtrader11 @ 01/08/2009 6:04:30 PM

    our exclusive support for israel without giving the other parties their fair share of the process is the main reason America is suffering now both domestically and abroad. we must always be the fair meditator to get things accomplished and not lean to only one side and then complain about the aftermath of that failed strategy!

    • Posted By: teufelhunden1980 @ 01/08/2009 6:10:47 PM

      So why must we be the mediator at all? Who ever said we should be the saviors of the world?

  • Posted By: FFD9715 @ 01/08/2009 6:10:05 PM

    it's about time that some one gets tough with Israel! They do get carried away a bit from time to time and our so far blind support for the Jewish State has been at times dead wrong! The Palestinians, wrong as they are at time , do not deserve the disproportionate violence that Israel often inflicts on the paledtinian people without regards for women or children!

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