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  • Posted By: 1StPatriot @ 01/22/2009 12:36:35 PM

    If we want to get back our mass decency, and fair judgment as only a normal human being, these are just fair demand, if we consider the percentage in population.

    1. any financial system set up based on usury is doomed to fail. we have to ban jews from our financial system. no more passing laws or manupulation of financial system by jews. Oh BTW, remember Jesus kicking that table? Now our whole financial system has turned out to be a big table.
    2.ban jews from government. They have dual citizenship. In other words there are agents of a foreign country working in our government.
    3.ban jews from congress. That dual citizenship causes conflict of interest. Doesn???t it? They have their more,more than fair share in congress. About 25% of the members of congress are jews. or in other words agents of a foreign country passing laws for us, or them?
    4.ban jews from any media ownership. History has shown they manipulate these means of fair flow of information to dumbify and numbify American masses.
    5.let Americans vote. if we love isreal that muuch to give so huge of an insane support, lets give them a piece of land here and bring them next to us, and end the conflict.
    These are not antisemitic slogans. These are everyday facts of our current society. Just check yourself. It???s not me but the current truth is antisemitic.

  • Posted By: bajan man @ 01/09/2009 2:38:48 AM

    It is time for the US to take a second look at this so-called "special relationship." The Jews have been taking advantage of the Palestinians ever since it was "created." They have stolen land, established illegal settlements, humiliated the Palestinians by requiring them to stand in the sweltering sun and/or freezing rain for hours on end just to get to work. It has built and Apartheid Wall, blockaded the sea ways and they have done everything possible to make life miserable for the Palestinians. These money-grubbing kikkes have one ultimate purpose: to steal all the land of the Palestinians. Nothing else will satisfy their insatiable greed. Israel is a mistake that will continue to perpetuate itself until it is finally blown off the face of the earth. It has to be kept in mind that the only reason Israel was established in the first place is that no civilised nation on the face of the earth wanted these people within their own borders. One occasionally wistfully muses on how peaceful the world would be without this Jew-infested so-called nation.

    • Posted By: sakycwd @ 01/21/2009 11:11:49 AM

      From one Bajan to another I don't agree with everything you have said. However we must all recognize that both parties have a right to defend themselves. Both Israel and Palestine have a right to exist period. We forget that coming up to the creation of the state of Israel they are a number of people now praised as heroes in creating that state branded as terrorist by the British.

    • Posted By: Israel's Biggest Fan @ 01/09/2009 2:43:30 AM

      Bajan man is pro-Hamas, folks. I'll tell you who wistfully considers what the world would be like without Israel- the madman who runs Iran, the madmen who make up Hamas, and Bajan man. Super company you're in. What in the world is wrong with you, bro?

      • Posted By: willemVB @ 01/09/2009 4:12:32 AM

        you must now more than I can read from what Bajan man wrote. I do not read that he is for Hamas. But perhaps he is as the State of Israel leaves the rest no option as to become pro Hamas. I always try to separate the state and their inhabitants (Israeli) and the jews. Not all jews like the imperialistic Israel that commits crimes against humanity, in fact, more and more are against the way the state of Israel behaves.

        • Posted By: Israel's Biggest Fan @ 01/09/2009 9:48:18 AM

          Willem,
          be against someone's behavior, fine. But how about you and Bajan at least have the balls to condemn terrorists and stop suggesting people become pro-Hamas? While you sipped your morning coffee in our great country, free from mortars, Israeli soldiers were trying to stop the very people you seem to support!
          Your hatred of Israel competely blinds you. Don't agree? Answer the following with a Yes or No:
          1. Hamas is a terrorist group.
          2. Israel has a right to defend itself against terrorist attacks.
          Folks, I GUARANTEE that if Willem checks this post, he will avoid the above questions, squirm around in an effort to belittle Israel, and he will try to say that Israel deserves mortars and rockets.
          One more prediction: Willem no doubt believes that the U.S. is to blame for 9-11, that making terrorist prisoners "uncomfortable" is a shame, and that terrorism would just go away if we stopped killing terrorists.

  • Posted By: realpeace @ 01/15/2009 3:15:08 PM

    Haven't any of you heard? Peace deals don't work with terrorist organizations or Palestinian states who elect terrorists into government! Israel has already been pressured into restraint and into land for peace deals that DID NOT work. Just read the history and stop analyzing eight feet from your tv screen. Why does the world always expect Israel to concede? Because the world knows its not going to get anyehere with Hamas, Hizbullah or their puppetmaster Iran, that's why. Wake up people! If you think getting tough with Israel and a stronger Hamas, Hizbullah, and Iran is going to create a safer, more peaceful world for you then we are all in serious trouble. I am tired of ever- emerging american pipedream that freedom and democracy in this world are free. Israel hates war just as much as we do but tell me, if rockets were being launched daily into your backyard would you expect your government to stop it or not? Of course, you would. So either change your perspective or accept your hypocrisy. Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

    • Posted By: abbreviate @ 01/15/2009 3:25:20 PM

      I've heard that peace deals don't work with terrorist organizations or Israeli state. How about number of Security Council Resolutions that Israel ignores?

      • Posted By: AvoidDoubleStandards @ 01/15/2009 11:41:47 PM

        One third of all of the UN resolutions passed against countries are directed against Israel. So Israel has been voted against far more times than the second most hated country. Are they really the worst country in the world or is there a ridiculous double standard that should be laughed at by anyone looking at the UN? The Arab world will do anything to make the Jews miserable. Using their oil as persuasion, they encourage other countries to vote against Israel. Not to mention non-Arab Muslim countries. Where's the vote against Hamas for killing Fatah people, or for shooting rockets into civilian areas? Or for calling for suicide bombings last week? Where are the votes against the Sudan for atrocities in Darfur? No such votes, showing you the ridiculous double standards that apply to the UN.

        Sorry, but you'd rather live in Israel than under the control of Hezbollah or Hamas, which conducts 30 ,minute trials before killing "collaborators". Try having a difference of opinion in Lebanon or Gaza. You're dead if you do.

        • Posted By: sakycwd @ 01/21/2009 9:45:11 AM

          What is the difference when Israel routine picks up males between the age of 14 and 45 in the occupied territories and holds them indefinitely with out charge for years. What about the 8,000 Palestinians who the Israeli government holds in jail without charge.

    • Posted By: ep122 @ 01/15/2009 3:43:24 PM

      If you can't negociate with terror organizations, what about Fatah? Look at them. Look at the relative peace they had during the cease fire. After this war, though, they may join with Hamas. Israel is using a "win the battle" but "lose the war"' strategy.

  • Posted By: jjena09 @ 01/15/2009 12:19:07 AM

    I totly agree with you

    • Posted By: anakaday @ 01/21/2009 9:18:34 AM

      In the 30s/40s Palestinians were responsible for the death of 500,000 Arab jews and the exile of 1 million.They also killed 90% of the jews in Bosnia.
      Jews were massacred in terrible ways. Limbs torn off babies, families burnt, decapitated, people shot in the street and on buses. They went out looking for jews.
      The reason never to foget the holocaust is because this is the worst thing that ever happened.
      The jewish part is nothing to do with it. They killed good people on purpose. They would cut them with axes until they were too tired to keep going. Palestinians Massacred jews in Hebron in 1929. People today don't know anything. There is such a thing as evil Palestinians and people only talk about the 'Evil Zionists'.
      The Arab jewish survivors were scattered round the world but some countries stopped accepting them.
      Many felt they had no choice than to go to Israel. The Palestinian leader was hoping to exterminate them all. You have seen how they jump up and down when innocent people die. The problem is the innocent good people in Gaza are the ones who are dying. Israel is scared of anhilation and they are not overreacting. Times have changed and you can't blame people for their past. But Israel is destroying the good people and the chance of peace instead of working with them to expel terrorists. Hamas make sure of this by cutting the people off so there is no interaction.
      They stop people going on Haj. They do things the Israelis would do. They would probably blow up Al Aqsa Mosque if they thought this would help them win. They have totally confused the Israelis and have won because they succeeded in making them lose control. Israel government are like the people so they don't know how to fight Hamas. They are scared to death and so are people other side of the world who know Hamas is a threat to everyone.

  • Posted By: rick4peace @ 01/15/2009 6:45:30 PM

    Americas founding fathers declared that the most sacred rights of any human being is life, liberty, and property. Yet, the postings we have read make an exception for the Jews and Jihadists who are allowed to deprive their fellow human being of all three on the grounds that they are a "Chosen People". Either the Jews and Jihadists have been elevated to the rank of God or our founding fathers were mistaken. YOU CHOOSE!!!!
    Until both sides of this conflict accept the principles that ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE ENTITLED TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PROPERTY THIS CONFLICT AND THIS VIOLENCE WILL NEVER END!!!! AND MAY BRING ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF ALL HUMAN KIND. Peace begins within. "He maketh his light to shine upon all."

    • Posted By: sakycwd @ 01/21/2009 9:11:08 AM

      Well said. When read the comment on various sites including Haeretz it is amazing the leel of hatred displayed in the comments. We have Jewish people who are essentially saying that the Palestinians should be pushed into the see or wiped from the face of the earth. It is no difference from the stance that the some in Hamas has taken. The saddest part of this conflict is that neither side sees the other as human any longer. Until that changes death, destruction and conflict will continue in the region.

  • Posted By: AnHourADay @ 01/19/2009 2:59:07 PM

    Iran is the problem that really should be addressed and that quickly. At the speed they're developping technology for combat doesn't leave a big time frame if they're to be stopped before developping working nuclear weapons. Israel has responded to an attack, a very ugly attack I might say because of the breaking of the cease fire, and Hamas should be destryed. The headline makes me laugh.
    "Obama must get tough with Israel"

    http://anhouraday.blog.com

  • Posted By: bbgbunny @ 01/08/2009 5:48:00 PM

    First of all the Arabs are nomads and noone gave them anything. When everyone else in the Middle East had a place to call home the Arabs were out wandering the desert selling their wares. Mohammad didn't give them any land they make it all up as they go along. They are disposal people that the world would be better off without. How dare they say the Holocust didn't happen. Maybe we could find a Hiltler and show them what the Jews went through.

    • Posted By: Armypeacenik @ 01/18/2009 1:18:18 PM

      "Arabs" are those who speak Arabic. The vast majority are not nomads (bedouins). Most Arabs, and certainly most Palestinians, live or have lived in cities and villages. When the Palestinians were displaced, starting mainly in 1948, they lost their homes in these cities and villages. They did not take this displacement lightly, nor should they have done so. One of the first steps to understanding the Palestine issue is understanding why Palestinians and other Arabs have been so upset by what has happened. The ignorance displayed by the individual who posted this comment is all too typical of the ignorance normally displayed by Americans about the Middle East. Aaron David Miller's article is a breath of fresh air to those truly interested in solving the Israeli-Palestinian impasse.

      • Posted By: Armypeacenik @ 01/18/2009 1:40:05 PM

        Luckily bbgbunny's bigotry is less common than his ignorance. He's suggesting more Holocausts.

    • Posted By: OedipaMaas @ 01/08/2009 6:01:51 PM

      When were they nomads? My family are Arabs and they all live in houses.

    • Posted By: snk789 @ 01/08/2009 5:58:34 PM

      No one denies that the holocaust didnt happen. But israel has no right to use it as an excuse for everything. It happened and no one can change history. People can change the future. Stop being so narrow minded and open ur mind to see the bigger picture, and not have a repeat of what happened 60 years ago. Wait no, its already happening, and thanks to everyone who thinks the way you do.

  • Posted By: realpeace @ 01/15/2009 5:54:00 PM

    Garyseven's comments quickly reveal what I see as world's the real problem, "anti-semitism". We are discussing Israel (not being "Jewish" or "Judaism") but so quickly it becomes necessary to call out "Jewish!" as if it was some kind of crime. The issue is ISRAEL. And Israel does not have colonial expansionist "policies" (though some Israelis have these ideas, just like some Americans do). Israel has given up land repeatedly, the famous "land for peace" deals that never ever work. Israel itself is only a small piece of what was originally (and legally) their land. They have been partitioned over and over throughout modern history and have themselves voluntarily given up land in the hope of peace. They don't want Gaza, they want the rockets and the violence to stop. Who broke the peace treaty? Who sent 200 rockets into Israel even when there was one? HAMAS. Israel wants to live in peace. And I believe the Palestinian people do as well. But as long as they allow Hamas or any other terrorist group ( like Arafat's PLO) to run the show, it's going to be bloody. Hamas, like all the other terrorist organizations do not want peace, they want death to Israel, Jews and Zionists (as you call them) and even death to americans like you and I, garyseven. Terrorists like to call Jews Nazis too. Its a disgustingly cheap shot as anyone with a little awareness of history knows. And by the way, the so called "Jewish propoganda" by realpeace (me) below is actually just a pro-peace stance that has nothing to do with religion. But just to keep the record straight, I am not Jewish, I'm Christian.

    • Posted By: abbreviate @ 01/16/2009 1:59:55 PM

      Typical Israeli rhetoric - if you are not supporting Israel - you are antisemitic.
      First of all there is a lot of Jews who do not support Israel. Guess what? They are self hated Jews (another word for antisemitic?)

      Second. Israel declared itself as "state of all Jews". Why? Did it asked all Jews if they agree with it? But now whenever Israel commit a crime all the Jews are associated with it. This is why.

  • Posted By: torakwarius @ 01/15/2009 4:01:22 PM

    Criticising or let alone questionning Israel's heavy-handed policies has been such a taboo in American mainstream news and especially politics. It's been long overdue we have an open and honest discussion on the human rights violations in this very long and bloody territorial dispute. Unfortunately, I think the Israeli lobbyists would assassinate any politician who dares get tough with Israel... and the conflict will continue, breeding more extremists and anti-western sentiment.

  • Posted By: garyseven @ 01/15/2009 3:47:19 PM

    Excellent article. Finally someone who gets it. Israel does not have America's interest at heart. Many Israeli's privately concede that 9/11 was a good thing for Israel. It allowed them to pursue their colonial expansionist policies (zionism) under the guise of 'fighting terror', If you count every school boy throwing a rock at an Israeli tank, the middle east is a dangerous place indeed.
    One only has to remember the bombing of the USS Liberty (a communications frigate) by the IDF and the first hand accounts detailing how Israeli fighter pilots returned to strafe the life boats in the water, yet fleeing when the Americans showed up on the radar screen to realize that Israel is not a trustworthy partner.
    You can listen to Jewish propaganda all you want, (see below-realpeace et al) but to make an informed decision carefull research is necessary. Illan Pappe the Israeli historian wrote "The Ethinic Cleansing of Palestine", a landmark work. Also the former IDF soldier turned author writes an excellent article on the current Gaza genocide,
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
    If you don't believe me, believe them. Israel has become a modern day Nazi Germany with the world's largest concentration camp-GAZA

  • Posted By: Bkbrat5 @ 01/15/2009 3:36:33 PM

    Mr Obama if the price of crud oil is $47.00 a barrel why is the cost of gas $2.00 a gal isnt this call price fixing or what!

    • Posted By: abbreviate @ 01/15/2009 3:40:55 PM

      That question is for Bush

  • Posted By: MOGM @ 01/15/2009 1:51:05 PM

    I fully agree with your analysis. I hope Obama agrees too. This is the way to go. I would encourage the TV media to publiisize your article, and to discuss the issues as you have. This makes sense. For the first time, most should see that his makes sense. Toughness and fairness, and America needs to become unbiiased. Mr. Obama, we are depending on you.

  • Posted By: ep122 @ 01/15/2009 10:28:39 AM

    Israel Shells UN headquarters in Gaza
    Huffington Post

    JERUSALEM ??? Israel's prime minister says the Israeli military fired artillery shells at a U.N. compound in Gaza after militants opened fire from the location.

    Ehud Olmert says Israeli forces "were attacked from there and the response was harsh."

    U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon expressed "outrage" over the Israeli shelling of the compound Thursday.

    At a meeting between the two, Olmert called the shelling a "sad incident" but said militants were responsible. The U.N. denies the Israeli allegation.

    THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below

  • Posted By: KAckermann @ 01/15/2009 4:15:25 AM

    It won't happen. Groups like AIPAC are reflexive when it comes to US/Israeli relations. Compromise is the objective equivalent of loss to them, and that is unacceptable. PNAC operated in the same way: compromise introduced unpredictability, and that was deadly to them. Things get planned for carefully by like-minded individuals, and any dissent or contrary facts would get readjusted to fit the plan.
    If Israel was promised peace by the US, but it involved tough sacrefice, AIPAC would launch a full-court press against it. There is no long-term plan; Israel is more than happy to life from year to year. Why plan when it is all manifest?

  • Posted By: fishking5 @ 01/15/2009 12:55:03 AM

    This writer is definitely taking an objective look at the situation. He is on point when he insinuates that America must become serious and honest if a solution towards justice and lasting peace can be achieved.

  • Posted By: jjena09 @ 01/15/2009 12:33:56 AM

    wake up american people the crisis that is happening to us in the united stats is the results of supporting isreal.

  • Posted By: jokoparadise @ 01/15/2009 12:32:02 AM

    USA have to stop Israeli's agression to Palestine what ever their done isnt justice anymore, that is massacre of holocaust part II after NAZI???s as Zionist???s ritual and revenge to celebrate holocaust in 27th January becomes whered very much civilians killed especialy kids, womens and old people whom have no responsible rockets stricking israeli's area. War thought is primitiveness of operation and Arroganty, whered humanism is broken, cause humanism assure is a principle to found a state.

    How much Palestinian killed after Israeli???s declaration on 1948? Israelis??? aggression 27th December 2008 till now is bigger of holocaust Part II, to genocide another as revenge Zionist???s happened. If Israsel balamed Hamas on this case, I guesss Hamas would to blamed back of Olmert whered Hamas haven???t no promised to have a weapon, to protecting Palestine.

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