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  • Posted By: JHutch2008 @ 01/08/2009 8:20:37 AM

    "Concerned American Vetran". Whatever. Israeli propaganda machine would be more accurate. For starters, stop trying to pass off ancient land claims that were lost once ancient Israel was conquered (you do understand that's what being conquered means, right?) as divine right. God did not create Israel, a guilty Europe did (the US actually voted against its creation at the time). The creation of Israel was a mistake (as was most of Europe's land dealings in the region). It would, however, be just as big a mistake to try and undo it now.

    Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of Arab enmity towards Jews. In Saudi Arabia alone the schools teach that on the day of judgement the rocks and trees will rise up and kill Jews (they also teach that to be a good Muslim one must hate all non-believers). Not exactly a message of love. However, if this current state of tension had nothing to do with the creation and actions of Israel, if indeed the Arab world has merely always wanted to slaughter Jews, then they have been doing a very poor job so far, especially considering the number of Arab Jews that have been living in the Middle East for centuries.

    Yes, there have been many atrocities suffered by Israel since its creation, and yes, the nation has a right to defend itself. But Israel has also caused some of its own problems. What's going on in Gaza is just the most recent example of this. The settlements are another. How about the border fences? I agree that Israel has every right to put up a fence on the border to defend itself from terrorist attacks. If only it actually put it up on the border. Instead it placed it past the border. How would the US take it if Canada decided to place a border fence past the border in our own country?

    Israel is not an innocent victim in this. In fact, at this point no one is an innocent victim.

    • Posted By: lionofjudah @ 01/08/2009 10:39:07 AM

      You might want to check with the scriptures and with God on that "lost" their inheritance thing. God gave it to the descendants of Abraham--FOREVER. And if you believe the Bible, in the book of Revelation, He's coming back and setting up house in Israel, in Jerusalem!

    • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/08/2009 8:55:46 AM

      You are Rational, Logical and Fair...

      I Respect your Reasoning

    • Posted By: A Concerned American Veteran @ 01/08/2009 8:27:09 AM

      JHutch2008,

      Like most people wih your attitude, you have probably never spent any time in the middle east because if you had you would not be spouting the crap you are and dont bother coming back and lying about it, I know you have never been there by your lack of knowledge of the situation.

  • Posted By: tyreltheccc @ 01/08/2009 10:37:55 AM

    Couldn't agree with you more miz kitty! These liberal writers seem to think that Israel is the size of China and that they are beating up on some poor innocent little country with no provocation. The bottom line, regardless of what Hamas claims are, is that they are a terrorist organization with a goal of the elimination of the Jewish race. They are not trying to hide this goal, it is obvious to anyone with a brain or any semblance of a logical mind. If it wasn't for the UN and the political correctness of it all, Israel would have knocked these guys off the planet within a week or two. However, they are trying to do it in the most courteous and humane way, dropping leaflets, firing warning rockets, etc. so that they have the least amount of civilian casualties possible. This article makes Israel out to be the terrorist organization when the opposite is actually true. Do the Hamas terrorists wear warning signs on their clothing when they walk into a crowded marketplace for a suicide bombing targeting mostly innocent civilians? Do they ever warn before they fire rockets? C'mon guys, see the light. I hope Israel wipes these guerillas off the map, the world will be much better off without these crazies.

  • Posted By: AntiAlah @ 01/08/2009 10:37:33 AM

    Anyway you look at it, them muslims are the poison of the earth, they are always against someone. They hate Israel for starters but when you read and listen to their core beliefs, they are against everybody else. They're like the "prblem kid" in the clasroom, the third world bully wannabe that is already gaining power. The worse part is how much of the american money has shifted to the wrong countries and given them wealth, take for example the ridiculously opulency of the city of Dubai. They choose hoe to use that wealth and it is not for their people's benefit in most of the case, it's just to make big fat rich arabs richer, more powerful, able to buy nuclear power to nuke anyone that rubs them the wrong way. They don't give a rat's butt for their own people. Their people are used for their own benefit (like many countries do) but they're the biggest example of public injustice and third worldiness ever. The only value a regular arab has for his givernors is the willingness to blow himself up for the twisted reasons. That's all. Want to get rid of the problem? SET FRIM LIMITS TO THOSE ARABS, if you don't the rest of the world will be next after getting rid of Israel, They're the dog that bites the hand that feeds them...so don't be surprised for what those muslim arab yahoos do. They're destruction made human.

  • Posted By: AntiAlah @ 01/08/2009 10:37:11 AM

    Anyway you look at it, them muslims are the poison of the earth, they are always against someone. They hate Israel for starters but when you read and listen to their core beliefs, they are against everybody else. They're like the "prblem kid" in the clasroom, the third world bully wannabe that is already gaining power. The worse part is how much of the american money has shifted to the wrong countries and given them wealth, take for example the ridiculously opulency of the city of Dubai. They choose hoe to use that wealth and it is not for their people's benefit in most of the case, it's just to make big fat rich arabs richer, more powerful, able to buy nuclear power to nuke anyone that rubs them the wrong way. They don't give a rat's butt for their own people. Their people are used for their own benefit (like many countries do) but they're the biggest example of public injustice and third worldiness ever. The only value a regular arab has for his givernors is the willingness to blow himself up for the twisted reasons. That's all. Want to get rid of the problem? SET FRIM LIMITS TO THOSE ARABS, if you don't the rest of the world will be next after getting rid of Israel, They're the dog that bites the hand that feeds them...so don't be surprised for what those muslim arab yahoos do. They're destruction made human.

  • Posted By: worrisome @ 01/08/2009 10:36:34 AM

    It would be nice, IF, newsweek just published the news around the world as it ACTUALLY happens. NOT for a jounalist to publish his/her personal opinion (which is off the wall) is one of the contributing factors to the decline of newsweek.

  • Posted By: rsbgld @ 01/08/2009 10:35:41 AM

    What a hypocritical statement! When we were attacked on 9/11 we werevery upset and indignent. Isreal has lived with constant attack even though they have honored the truce and even given back land in order to have peace. That is something we sure haven't done. I guess they should be happy and content to live in uderground in bomb shleters. People should sudy their history. Wake up!

  • Posted By: rugu @ 01/08/2009 10:35:23 AM

    Israel has sent over 4 tons of food, medication and aid to Gaza since the conflict started. So what happened? The Hamas confiscated it all and has been trying to sell it to the Gazans, trade it for more arms, or stockpile it for their own use. Before you decide that the Israelis keep aid to themselves, why don't you look at what is really happening.
    Furthermore, it is not the U.S.'s business to conduct the peace process in the Middle East. The U.S. is merely a facilitator/ mediator in the process. Will Obama be able to do what his predecessors could not? I sure hope so, but I wouldn't think it would happen by getting tough with Israel. Maybe he should pay a little more attention to whomever is feeding terrorist organizations, than mess with a country who has had a long history of defending all who live within her boundaries.

  • Posted By: lancemh @ 01/08/2009 10:35:16 AM

    Dear rubybev: I suggest you go live in both Israel and Palestine!

    Both sides have foisted insufferable circumstances on one another since WW II. You only need to study the history of the region (not the revisionist one's forwarded by both self-serving Jews and Arabs) in order to understand that both sides have engaged in policies that undermine the the path to peace. Terrorism was utilized by the Jews in order to gain their independence in 1948. Now they find terrorism in the pursuit of nationhood unacceptable. That smacks of hipocracy. Until Americans recognize that not all wars are valid (does Iraq come to mind?), and that peace must be earned with both compromise and understanding by both sides, this region will be an even bigger thorn in our side.

    If Israel would alter it's policies of oppression against the Palestinian people (not dissimilar to our treatment of the Native American Indians in the late 1800's - stealing their land, killing or imprisoning their leaders, deprivation of food, medicine and basic services), they would likely find that most of them would turn against their radical factions and eradicate Israel's problem. If the Palestinians then refused to eliminate those radical actors, Israel's aggression would then be justified.

    Hamas and other radical factions inside Palestine will continue to assert their power and authority until Israel gives peace-seeking Palestinians a position of both moral and political superiority over those who chose war over peace. But the first move must come from a morally-superior Israel, and not a government that rationalizes the very oppression that subjected their own people to over two milleniums of fear and suffering.

  • Posted By: tb4185 @ 01/08/2009 8:27:18 AM

    Before one starts bullying either side, one has to realize that peace is in the national interest of America, Israel and Palestine. Lets not forget that this middle east issue is one of the root causes of Islamic extremism and terrorism, for which the USA itself has paid a dear price, e.g. on 9-11. Can we americans still allow ourselves to blindly take side of one side, at our own national interest cost? That is the main question! The other question is that we believe in democracy! Should the world in general then be a democracy or a dictatorship, in which the superpowers of the world get to decide which side is right or wrong. There have been several UN resolutions against Israel's transgressions and also on the other side Hamas's violence. If one steps back and looks at how the world views this issue, its very clear which side is wrong and which side is right. We Americans need to get out of our media frenzy and see the light! God forbid our children witness another 9-11 in their lives due to our short sightedness.

    • Posted By: lionofjudah @ 01/08/2009 10:35:02 AM

      What are you talking about?

  • Posted By: vnmojo @ 01/08/2009 10:34:12 AM

    Peace can be achieved permanently between Palestinians and Israelis--only if the two parties decide that they have enough. Third party can help to achieve peace ONLY temporarily, then same old, same old.

  • Posted By: John123456 @ 01/08/2009 10:34:07 AM

    I agree that America will never be able to get to what it was before (financially strong, very prosperous and very well respected in the world), if it does not change its policies towards Israel and other countries. There are other countries with extremely powerful emerging markets that will grow and could outgrow America. If America keeps itself isolated and is not liked in these new emerging markets, then I would repeat this old saying ???to every rise, there is a fall???. In the end, America will be left all alone with no one on its side. Not even Israel. We have been committed to them for 60 years. We gave as much as we could (rightfully so), but never tested their commitment to us if we were the ones in need.
    History shows that Jews have always prospered in any country that is not run by a Jew government not including the Holocaust time and place. The history also shows that the country where Jews tend to be as strong as they are in the US, once the country went poor, Jews made friends with the next super power and crushed the one that took care of them before.
    As long as this whole middle east area was governed by good Muslim leaders who were nice to Jews, everything was fine in the middle east, not too long ago. Then Middle Eastern powers went weak and we saw that during the WWII. Jews went with the next super power (USA) and deserted all others who take care of them earlier. I fear if they would do the same to us Americans too. Jews are loyal but only to other Jews. They will play the politics of being good to non-Jews but would demand a heavy price for it. An example is to see their strong hold in the USA. Yes they ???let??? some of us Americans enjoy the wealth, the power that wish, but the heavy price is be utterly loyal to Israel. Utterly to the power of infinity.
    In any case, if American could come back with the same strength or more (realistically speaking), then we are ok. If not then it is only a matter of time when Israel, would start showing the Americans its true hidden nature of moving on to the next power and deserting Americans.

  • Posted By: John123456 @ 01/08/2009 10:33:48 AM

    Great set of thoughts. Very interesting and very true but a little unreal. In general American Presidents and the American Government are too weak to take this kind of stand. The American Media, the American Military, the Finances, the law makers (Congress) and everything else that can play a role in making a country or bringing it to its knees is controlled in the US by the Jews. Therefore, they will not let anything like this happen.
    If Obama or any other president takes this kind of stand as you suggested, that president will not be elected in the second term if he/she survives the first term. You are right about Obama to be tough on Israel but if Obama planned anything that is not in the best interest of Israel and ONLY Israel, he will not go far in his tenure. The history of all previous American governments shows that what has always driven these peace talks is solely based on what Israel wants. Never in the history has it ever happened where there would come one time (just once) where American government would actually do anything that is solely in the best interest of the Palestinians and actually put sanctions on Israel for not cooperating. Israel has always taken priority above all and will always be priority above all. By saying ???above all???, I literally mean even above the American people too. One good example is, to just look at our financial crises today in the country and with two wars, we are still supporting Israel financially and militarily without getting anything return or as you said, showing our commitment. It is funny how even after 60 years, we still have to show it to prove it.

  • Posted By: DEVONECO @ 01/08/2009 10:33:26 AM

    I wonder if the Zionists in Israel have any respect for people of other beliefs or religions. Take for instance the Burning of Bibles by Jews in Israel and also harrassment that Messianic Jews and Christians are facing by Jews in Israel. Check the following websites for yourselves.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/05/20/africa/ME-GEN-Israel-New-Testament-Burned.php
    http://zionismkills.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/orthodox-jews-harassing-christians/
    http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/12859.htm

    By the way, Palestine seems to be the present day "Holocaust" !!!!!

  • Posted By: kimh @ 01/08/2009 10:32:27 AM

    Are some of you reading the same article that I am? The writer is not suggesting "forsaking support of Israel" and emphasizes that strong US-Israel ties are important and should continue. Don't get so defensive! I have optimism with the coming of Obama and Clinton (Hilary). Goodluck to them. There is no doubt they are both hard workers and very intelligent and independent thinkers.

  • Posted By: John123456 @ 01/08/2009 10:31:33 AM

    Great set of thoughts. Very interesting and very true but a little unreal. In general American Presidents and the American Government are too weak to take this kind of stand. The American Media, the American Military, the Finances, the law makers (Congress) and everything else that can play a role in making a country or bringing it to its knees is controlled in the US by the Jews. Therefore, they will not let anything like this happen.
    If Obama or any other president takes this kind of stand as you suggested, that president will not be elected in the second term if he/she survives the first term. You are right about Obama to be tough on Israel but if Obama planned anything that is not in the best interest of Israel and ONLY Israel, he will not go far in his tenure. The history of all previous American governments shows that what has always driven these peace talks is solely based on what Israel wants. Never in the history has it ever happened where there would come one time (just once) where American government would actually do anything that is solely in the best interest of the Palestinians and actually put sanctions on Israel for not cooperating. Israel has always taken priority above all and will always be priority above all. By saying ???above all???, I literally mean even above the American people too. One good example is, to just look at our financial crises today in the country and with two wars, we are still supporting Israel financially and militarily without getting anything return or as you said, showing our commitment. It is funny how even after 60 years, we still have to show it to prove it.
    History shows that Jews have always prospered in any country that is not run by a Jew government not including the Holocaust time and place. The history also shows that the country where Jews tend to be as strong as they are in the US, once the country went poor, Jews made friends with the next super power and crushed the one that took care of them before.

    As long as this whole middle east area was governed by good Muslim leaders who were nice to Jews, everything was fine in the middle east, not too long ago. Then Middle Eastern powers went weak and we saw that during the WWII. Jews went with the next super power (USA) and deserted all others who take care of them earlier. I fear if they would do the same to us Americans too. Jews are loyal but only to other Jews. They will play the politics of being good to non-Jews but would demand a heavy price for it. An example is to see their strong hold in the USA. Yes they ???let??? some of us Americans enjoy the wealth, the power that wish, but the heavy price is be utterly loyal to Israel. Utterly to the power of infinity.

    In any case, if American could come back with the same strength or more (realistically speaking), then we are ok. If not then it is only a matter of time when Israel, would start showing the Americans its true hidden nature of moving on to the next power and deserting American

  • Posted By: kimh @ 01/08/2009 10:30:19 AM

    Are some of you reading the same article that I am? The writer is not suggesting "forsaking support of Israel" and emphasizes that strong US-Israel ties are important and should continue. Don't get so defensive! I have optimism with the coming of Obama and Clinton (Hilary). Goodluck to them. There is no doubt they are both hard workers and very intelligent and independent thinkers.

  • Posted By: forUSAonly @ 01/08/2009 10:29:18 AM

    If Israel is so advanced, why doesn't it have some kind of rocket protection system in place to neutralize the rockets as they travel in the air? After all, these are home made rockets, how hard can that be?

    The truth is that they will not stop until they murder every single Palestinian.

    Sadly, the jewish lobby has our government and the media in their pocket, and the American people are forced to listen to Israel's propaganda over and over.

    Wake up America!

  • Posted By: forUSAonly @ 01/08/2009 10:29:12 AM

    If Israel is so advanced, why doesn't it have some kind of rocket protection system in place to neutralize the rockets as they travel in the air? After all, these are home made rockets, how hard can that be?

    The truth is that they will not stop until they murder every single Palestinian.

    Sadly, the jewish lobby has our government and the media in their pocket, and the American people are forced to listen to Israel's propaganda over and over.

    Wake up America!

  • Posted By: edjune @ 01/08/2009 10:28:56 AM

    If the US had been rocketed and bombed like Israel would we the American people want to stick our LIBERAL heads in the sand, or man up and fight back? Go Israel and show your enemies NO MERCY. They show you none.

  • Posted By: danblue98 @ 01/08/2009 10:28:45 AM

    Get your facts straight. Israel has allowed food and aid into Gaza. Israel is stuck defending itself right next to those who want us all dead and deserves our protection and support. The media needs to start delivering facts instead of trying to make the US look bad. We are the nation who has helped and supported the whole world and you are lucky to be living here. Try spreading good news about the country who makes you free to spread your propaganda without being punished. If another country were in charge you wouldn't be allowed to go against them.

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