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  • Posted By: Nick - Hampstead @ 01/05/2009 12:36:08 PM

    While Arron David Miller appears to advocate some sense of balance and objectivity, he seems to only to see Hamas as the source of terrorism. What does he think Israel has been doing to the Palestinans all of these years? The first step in our objective approach to the Middle East should be stopping to fund Israeli terrorism to the tune of $3 billion a year! If Israel had to pay for its own war machine, they might be more ameniable.

    Why don't we discuss the numbers? Since 1/1/2000 - 20 Israelis dead from Palestinian rockets, 8000 Palestinians...and still counting killed by Israel.

    • Posted By: egram @ 01/05/2009 8:21:46 PM

      discuss these numbers on 9/11 4000 dead civillian americans 12 dead terrorist - terrorism is the same regardless where it is . a group of cowards - hiding in the masses - brainwashed by some idiot who has memorized the quran...... YOUR NUMBERS DONT IMPRESS ME !!

  • Posted By: mcgratm8556 @ 01/05/2009 2:45:53 PM

    Can someone please tell me what it is that Hamas actually wants? I haven't heard anyone in the media, print or otherwise, clearly state exactly what their demands are. Mr. Miller seamingly proposes they just want Israel to stop its settlements, but let's be honest, the land dispute is much bigger than Gaza and therein lies the dilema. Even if Israel were to agree to grant the Palestinians some portion of land it would never be enough to appease them into peace.

    Israel simply wants Hamas to stop sending rockets into Israel. That is a very simple and justifiable demand to which there can be no reasonable argument and, in fact, I have not heard anyone (including Mr. Obama) take issue with it. So who is Mr. Obama going to get tough with? This article is a farce because it seems to suggests that Israel is at fault or that they have brought these "rockets" down on themselves due to their Palestinian policies. Believe me, I'm not at all suggesting that Israel is blameless. I'm simply saying that Mr. Miller's idea that toughness from and American President is going to solve a highly complex, age old, political, ratial and religious conflict in the Middle East is ludicrous.

    That being said, it is also obvious that the only reason Israel has not been consumed by its surrounding Arab enemies is because of its ally the United States. So we must have some leverage in brokering a peace deal. The real question I would like to see posed and answered byt Mr. Miller is, "should we?" Tell us what Hamas really wants and why Israel should give it to them Mr. Miller - please!

    • Posted By: egram @ 01/05/2009 8:06:13 PM

      -o- israel is what hamas wants - same as iran and most other nations of islam !

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 01/05/2009 5:33:10 PM

      Hamas itself has said what it wants. The Israelis should end the siege, the blockade that is starving Gaza. They must stop attacking individuals inside Gaza, especially with military munitions...air-launched missiles, artillery, bombs...that inevitably kill innocent bystanders (often far MORE innocent bystanders than even arguably legitimate targets). Hamas wants Israel to permit Gazans to establish order and some sort of an economy...and who they elect to govern is NOT for Israel to decide. It is ridiculous...even obscene... to demand that the weaker party cease its (feeble and mostly-symbolic) reprisals, as if THEY started this, and ignore the (widespread, vastly destructive and lethal) provocations of the stronger party.

    • Posted By: Poggle @ 01/05/2009 3:00:05 PM

      I think what Mr. Miller and other Americans are saying is that we have had enough of policies towards Israel that allow that country to run roughshod on its neighbors. If it doesn't want war then it needs to striive to make peace. Someone had posted earlier the notion to imagine if Mexico had taken over the U.S. and how Americans would react and behave. I would do anything to protect my country and its way of life, and I expect other humans to do the same including the Palestinians. Don't kick me down, take my money and then offer to give me half.
      The other issue which is offensive is this absolutely huge Jewish lobby affecting American policy. I will not go to war for or over Israel and no other American should feel it his patriotic duty to do so either. Israel is not America, and from what I have seen, we don't even share the same values.

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 01/05/2009 3:09:26 PM

        I agree with you 100%. Some posters here are acting like Israel is innocent--so not true. There's a long complex history with guilt on both sides.

  • Posted By: skidiverdave @ 01/05/2009 3:02:44 PM

    Whoever wrote this article should be fired! Israel wants nothing more than to live in peace, but these crazy Palestinians won't let that happen! Why in God's name would we back a terrorist regime? Maybe these lunatics start this BS because we, and I mean the USA, let's them pull these stunts. I wish we had the same policy as Israel! If you bomb a house, we blow up a town! That's the only language these lunatics understand. Israel did NOTHING wrong here!!! If someone was lobbying missiles over here, I'm sure you would be screaming for blood too! We've been attacked twice on American soil, and just ask the Japanese and Afghanistan how that's worked out for them!!!

    • Posted By: Poggle @ 01/05/2009 3:05:40 PM

      Obviously you do not have a full grasp of the history and the politics of this situation. Learn a little more about it before you start piping up Bush and Far Right Christian Dogma.

      • Posted By: egram @ 01/05/2009 8:01:23 PM

        another comment from the aclu !!

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 01/05/2009 3:10:53 PM

      Look back to the history of Israel and you will find your answers. Further, look back to Jesus' time. This region has been unstable for thousands of years--nothing anyone does will stop it. We need to stop intervening and let them sort it out themselves.

  • Posted By: myaj2000 @ 01/05/2009 7:04:57 PM

    Excellent assessment of the current situation. Thank you for this.

  • Posted By: desdemondo @ 01/05/2009 6:55:59 PM

    This is such a factual assessment of what needs to be done that nothing further needs to be added.

    Time will tell whether or not Obama has the gonads and gumption both Bushes and Clinton abjectly lacked.

  • Posted By: desdemondo @ 01/05/2009 6:53:32 PM

    You go it so correct that there is absolutely nothing else to add.

    Let us see whether of not Obama has the gonads the Sushes and Clinton so distressingly lacked.

  • Posted By: Ian in LR @ 01/05/2009 5:45:02 PM

    I agree that the U.S. has become to close to Irael. A plan should be formulated by the Israelis and Palestinians themselves that requires fundamental and painful concessions from each side and then leaves it to Hamas/Fatah and the Israeli government to sell it to their own people. Certainly, Israel should put an end to the settlement of disputed areas (and force settlers out of those areas already "annexed"), just as the Palestinian Authority (if there is such a thing) should recognize the state of Israel while renouncing any and all violence towards it. I am afraid, however, that Hamas understands that its power is based solely on its record of violence against and declared destruction of Israel. Because of this, I genuinely believe there are people who will never agree to any partiton, recognition or peace. These "leaders" use their own people as cannon fodder, martyring them to an endless struggle that does nothing more than keep them in power. They have embraced the victim mentality and will milk their Muslim brothers and the international community for all its worth. If only the average Palestinian and Israeli could see that their respective governments are doing nothing more than maintaining a status quo of perpetual animosity then maybe there could finally be some movement in the direction of coexistence. Peace can't be imposed by the U.S. or any other outside power. Likewise, the crutch of international diplomacy / brokering should also be abandoned. Israel and the Palestinians need to work this out themselves and so long as the U.S. is seen as always siding with Israel any involvement on our part is more hindrance than help. Other countries or the UN would also suffer from either a lack credibility or a lack of commitment to what would undoubtedly be an arduous and contentious process. If Israel wasn't provided with unconditional protection by the U.S. then maybe they would be more willing to negotiate. We have become nothing more than enablers of this conflict.

  • Posted By: waterbaby423 @ 01/05/2009 1:28:39 PM

    The idea that you're going to get tough on Isreal really just shows how this author completly misses the real problem.
    He starts out by telling us he understands where Isreal is coming from, but by the end of the article, he's telling us that Obama needs to get tough with Isreal in order to make headway in the Middle East. Mr Miller, while I agree with you on the point that we should strive to have equal and fair relationships with all countries, certain groups or countries have proven themselves incapable of meeting us at the table. Hammas can't be won over by us getting tough on Isreal. The idea is absurd. Oh, and just so you know Bajan man. Just because a group gets ELECTED or pushes it's way into power doesn't suddenly make them legit . One need only to look at the Taliban to see that. Hamas is nothing but a bunch of bullies. They sit down at the table and talk about peace, then run right back to their rocket launcher. Why even bother to to agree to peace if you have no intention of keeping it? To add, if Hamas is so concerned about it's people, then maybe it should consider not storing weapons in hospitals and schools. They are all badass when they are launching rockets at hospitals, but then they run to the UN and cry fowl when Isreal responds. WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

    • Posted By: epryor @ 01/05/2009 1:34:01 PM

      Do not agree with you. Israel broke the cease fire by it's raid into Gaza, killing 6 Hamas members.

      • Posted By: bojack27 @ 01/05/2009 3:17:33 PM

        Earlier in June, the temporary cease-fire agreement between Israel and Hamas (mediated by the Egyptian government) included the following terms: 1) stopping of all Gaza-Israel violence and an ease in the blockade 2) easing of Israeli restrictions on cargo crossings 3) conducting talks about opening the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt and prisoner exchange to free IDF soldier Gilad Shalit.

        Israel pledged to refrain from massive offensive operations but reserved the right to carry out attacks on specific targets should the need arise. Hamas, on the other hand, regarded the temporary cease-fire as a tahdiya and not a hudna. Jonathan Dahoah Halevi explains the difference:

        The difference between the two Arabic terms is substantial. Hudna means ???truce,??? which is more concrete than tahdiya - ???a period of calm??? - which Hamas often uses to describe a simple cease-fire. In traditional Islamic thought, a hudna is negotiated between an Islamic entity and a non-Islamic entity, but it can be reversed the moment the Islamic side has gained sufficient strength to resume fighting. Nevertheless, a hudna implies recognition of the other party's actual existence, without acknowledging its legitimacy.

        A tahdiya has less standing than a hudna. Khaled Mashaal, Hamas' leader, and his deputy in leadership, Musa Abu Marzouq, elaborated in recent months their interpretation of a tahdiya. In an interview with Al-Jazeera (April 26, 2008), Mashaal clarified that for Hamas, a tahdiya is ???a tactic in conflict management and a phase in the framework of the resistance [meaning all forms of struggle].??? He added that it ???is not unusual for the resistance???to escalate sometimes and to retreat a bit sometimes as the tide does???.The tahdiya creates a formulation that will force Israel???to remove the siege???and if it happens it will be a remarkable achievement???.We are speaking of a tactical tahdiya???.As long as there is occupation, there is no other way but resistance.???

        • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 01/05/2009 5:44:44 PM

          The devil is in the details. "Israel pledged to refrain from MASSIVE offensive operations but reserved the right to carry out attacks on specific targets should the need arise." But the artillery barrage on the beach that killed an entire Palestinian family, was (besides being initially denied by Israel) apparently not "massive" (except from the point of view of its victims)... Israel never stopped shooting, and never stopped killing innocent people (along with those, or sometimes INSTEAD of those, it claimed to be targetting). You are fussing over definitions, behind which the facts are stark and obvious. COUNT THE DEAD CHILDREN UNDER TEN YEARS OLD. That will show you where the violence is coming from.

        • Posted By: epryor @ 01/05/2009 3:57:35 PM

          I was responding to the assumption that negotiation with Hamas is not worth it. My point was that you can negotiate with them. Think about Fatah, they were terrorists too, but somebody negotiated with them.

    • Posted By: waterbaby423 @ 01/05/2009 1:31:21 PM

      and sorry that should be foul

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/05/2009 5:44:18 PM

    But no militant casualties were seen Monday by an Associated Press reporter at Shifa Hospital, the Gaza Strip's largest. Instead, the hospital was overwhelmed with civilians. Bodies were two to a morgue drawer, and the wounded were being treated in hallways because beds were full.
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    U.N. and Gaza health officials reported more than 550 Palestinian dead and about 2,500 wounded since Israel began the campaign 10 days ago, including 200 civilians.

    At least [20 Palestinian Children were Killed] during the day, said Dr. Moaiya Hassanain, a health official. Most Confirmed Deaths have been [Civilians].

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  • Posted By: stanleyblogusa @ 01/05/2009 2:01:29 PM

    BRAVO BRAVO, Not enough criticism of Israel, is ever heard in the press, and this is a rare instance. In order for peace to prevail, it MUST BE AN EQUITABLE peace process. Everyone including the out-going Bush criticizes the Hamas with his calling them "terrorist" rhetoric. But nobody criticizes Israel. As former President Carter wrote, in the last chapter of his book, Peace not Apartheid. This is the only article I've seen or read so far that criticizes not just the Palestinians but Israel.

    • Posted By: concho rose @ 01/05/2009 2:48:42 PM

      Yes, a round of applause for President Carter, although I am of Jewish decent, they are bullying the Pailstein people. Give peace a chance.

      • Posted By: bojack27 @ 01/05/2009 3:07:15 PM

        Being of Jewish descent and not Jewish or a follower of Judaism is different in itself. Being a Jew is not a race it is a religion.....I doubt that you know enough about the subject to even qualify as being a descendent!

        • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 01/05/2009 5:39:16 PM

          I question YOUR standing to offer lectures on the meaning of Judaism, or what it means to be Jewish. The writer you challenge stands on firm moral ground, arguing for JUSTICE. Many a rabbi would tell you that Judaism is nothing without justice.

  • Posted By: Norlan @ 01/04/2009 10:03:15 AM

    Point+--THE ARABS WANT ISRAEL GONE!!!!!!!--end of point

    • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/04/2009 10:40:24 AM

      Hey Dumb A!!

      Israel has over 250 Illegally Obtained [Nuclear Missiles]

      How in the Hell, are the Arabs going to Make them Go ?

      They can't and it is the Israeli Government Proving that they want the Arabs ...GONE

      The Western European Nations are Rising up in Opposition to the Israeli Attacks...

      The Brainwashing Days are OVER

      People are seeing what is really going on over there and they SEE whose at FAULT.

      They are Finally saying to Israel...

      You are no Different than Nazi Germany or The White Afrikaners of South Africa...

      There is Literally No Difference.

      The MORE they Attack and Kill, the More the Western & Eastern Opposition Grows and the World Opposition Grows.

      America is being Silent in the Media, but the Internet is Voicing it's Thoughts and Soon, it will not Hold back and let their Feelings be Known as Europe is doing so.. NOW

      Thousands are protesting in the Streets ..NOW

      It will soon happen HERE as well.

      • Posted By: tired and old @ 01/04/2009 6:00:19 PM

        HEY ! DUMB OMAAR.

        YOU REALLY OVER DO THE A!! HOLE THING.

        I GUESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GOOD AT.

        • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/05/2009 5:38:18 PM

          Thanks A!! Hole !!!!

          Good Bye

  • Posted By: jbrumley @ 01/05/2009 5:36:38 PM

    I must disagree, the will never be peace in Israel, when there is peace, that is the end of the world.

  • Posted By: Poggle @ 01/05/2009 2:13:48 PM

    Funny how the AIPAC is calling this a Defensive Action. Reminds me of Hitlers Defensive Attack on Poland in 1939. I urge everyone to check out the AIPAC website and see who these people really are. I will be contacting my Congressman and women today to tell them to hang up when this organisation calls.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 01/05/2009 5:35:07 PM

      Poggle for Congress!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/03/2009 5:19:03 PM

    Good Buddy Tony...Blago (at least he's tough)...ACORN...WeatherF**k Ayers...Rev. J. Wrigh...Father Flamer...Aduchi... ACORN...Chicago...Frank My mentor Davis...Cousin Odinga & burned alive Christians...ACORN...Louie F. & the bow-tie bandits...Kenya...Indonesia...Islam...Birth Certificates...Communism...ACORN...etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

    Birds of a Feather...known by the company...bad character corrupts...NO WAY...that's quilt by associationSSSS...

    You asked for it...You got it......Toyota....

    Allah Akbar ya'll

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/05/2009 5:34:55 PM

      Your Dumb A!! is STILL stuck in Pre-Election Days ....

      President Barack [Hussein] Obama is the President Elect of the United States Of America...

      Has it Finally Registered with Your Dumb A!! ..

      Still Lost in November...Huh

      Popular Vote: 67 Million American's Voted YES Obama !!

      Electoral College: Over 250 Votes

      Fraud War Hero: John McCain and his Alaskan Lass, Sarah Palin did'nt garner 200 Electoral Votes !!!

      Stay in that Log Cabin of yours and watch You Tube or Feeds of McCain & Palin...

      Live in that Fantasy World , you made fr Yourself.


      Barack [Hussein] Obama is your President....

      Pat Robertson believes Obama has the making of a Great President.

      Holy Role That !!!

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 01/03/2009 6:45:15 PM


      Doobie Roller? Shouldn't you come up with new material now that Obama has won the election with the BIGGEST popular vote in US history?! Come on, not even our beloved Clinton won by that much.

      And waht is "quilt by association"? Is Obama guilty of quilting too?

      • Posted By: olderwiser @ 01/03/2009 7:29:05 PM

        No Cazador, quilt by association is when people get under a quilt and associate. Pretty Rolleresque, one would guess. I thought that the election results might have put him to some other task, but he is still campaigning, it seems, still condemning Muslims and Acorns, hoping to turn the vote to the dumb.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/05/2009 5:25:20 PM

    But no militant casualties were seen Monday by an Associated Press reporter at Shifa Hospital, the Gaza Strip's largest. Instead, the hospital was overwhelmed with civilians. Bodies were two to a morgue drawer, and the wounded were being treated in hallways because beds were full.
    Quantcast

    U.N. and Gaza health officials reported more than 550 Palestinian dead and about 2,500 wounded since Israel began the campaign 10 days ago, including 200 civilians.

    At least [20 Palestinian Children were Killed] during the day, said Dr. Moaiya Hassanain, a health official. Most Confirmed Deaths have been [Civilians].

  • Posted By: JoanR @ 01/05/2009 3:18:04 PM

    The poor Gazans are being punished for the sins of Hamas because they elected Hamas.In the real world, as opposed the place obviously inhabited by Mr. Miller, choice involves responsibility.The Palestinians in Gaza have no one to blame but themselves and their legendary good sense

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 01/05/2009 5:23:37 PM

      How shallow your understanding of the history here. Palestinians elected Hamas because the Fatah government, however much Israelis may have preferred it, provided NOTHING... Israel HAD a Palestinian interlocutor, in Fatah, and gave NO GROUND on any of the core issues, so Palestinians elected a hard-line government. And to this, the Israelis responded only with violence (it was Israel who repudiated the Hamas cease-fire, by continuing to attack and kill Palestinians, including innocent bystanders, in spite of the one-sided cease-fire)... the only conclusion that can be drawn is that Israel doesn't want peace as much as it wants the land...all of it. many Israelis, and some Americans, will always fuss and sputter that Israel is the victim, that its all Hamas' fault for continuing to fight back, no matter how many little children are torn to pieces by Israeli ordnance (as long as they are "just" ARAB children). Israel could have had peace any time it was willing to deal in good faith on a two-state solution, but settlement activity, provocations and pressure on the Palerstinians never relented. Here we are.

  • Posted By: newsman1 @ 01/05/2009 5:20:33 PM

    I agree with you Mr. Miller,

    Unfortunately many of the problems that the U.S is facing is due to their blinded support to Israel. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the U.S should not support Israel, but it should be a fair support. When American policies are being dictate by Israelie interest....because of powerful lobbyist who buy the politicians, so much money is influx into american politics that righteousness is paralyzed and the U.S is failing to be the beacon of faireness that it once was.

    The only way to end the Oligarchy that exist in the middle east is to pressure Israel to want peace with the Palestinians...
    Because of the greedy interest of a few who hate peace, many innocents are dying....men, women, children and babies...on either side (both in Israel and Palestine).

    For every rocks that Palestinians throw at israeli soldiers, many die by Israeli Machine Guns.
    Israel continues its effort to protect itself (rightfully so) but causes the conflict to persist by persisting on building and occpying some Palestinian territories, keeping the palestinians prisoners in their own homes.....

    This can only be done because Israel knows it has the support of the US.....without that support Israel would quickly find a solution to end this sensless war.

    Fortunately those in Israel who are hungry for war are just a few, most Israelis know that war is not the answer....they know that doing to others what has been done to them when they were without a home in the desert in Egypt or in palestine...is not right.

    Unfortunately the voices of many humanist are being silenced by the few war hungry people who hate peace.

    I have a strong faith that President Obama will do what is right. I know that he will not let the powerful lobbyist persuade him to continue this croisade of looking away when attrocities are being committed by the Israelis. I know that he will be fair, not favour the Palestinians more but be fair to both sides.....and only this way will we be able to provide peace to the next generation of children of Israelis and palestinians to live in peace....to grow up and go to school, walk in the parks, play and be children, becoming better men and women with a better vision for humanity that we are all a part of.

    Again I am not taking any sides, but I am taking the sides of the innocent who died during this war, I am taking the sides of the defenceless children, the mothers, the fathers...who died or have watch their children die.
    I am defending those innocent ones who happen to be in both Israel and Palestine.

  • Posted By: newsman1 @ 01/05/2009 5:17:26 PM

    I agree with you Mr. Miller,
    Unfortunately many of the problems that the U.S is facing is due to their blinded support to Israel. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the U.S should not support Israel, but it should be a fair support. When American policies are being dictate by Israelie interest....because of powerful lobbyist who buy the politicians, so much money is influx into american politics that righteousness is paralyzed and the U.S is failing to be the beacon of faireness that it once was.

    The only way to end the Oligarchy that exist in the middle east is to pressure Israel to want peace with the Palestinians...
    Because of the greedy interest of a few who hate peace, many innocents are dying....men, women, children and babies...on either side (both in Israel and Palestine).

    For every rocks that Palestinians throw at israeli soldiers, many die by Israeli Machine Guns.
    Israel continues its effort to protect itself (rightfully so) but causes the conflict to persist by persisting on building and occpying some Palestinian territories, keeping the palestinians prisoners in their own homes.....

    This can only be done because Israel knows it has the support of the US.....without that support Israel would quickly find a solution to end this sensless war.

    Fortunately those in Israel who are hungry for war are just a few, most Israelis know that war is not the answer....they know that doing to others what has been done to them when they were without a home in the desert in Egypt or in palestine...is not right.

    Unfortunately the voices of many humanist are being silenced by the few war hungry people who hate peace.

    I have a strong faith that President Obama will do what is right. I know that he will not let the powerful lobbyist persuade him to continue this croisade of looking away when attrocities are being committed by the Israelis. I know that he will be fair, not favour the Palestinians more but be fair to both sides.....and only this way will we be able to provide peace to the next generation of children of Israelis and palestinians to live in peace....to grow up and go to school, walk in the parks, play and be children, becoming better men and women with a better vision for humanity that we are all a part of.

    Again I am not taking any sides, but I am taking the sides of the innocent who died during this war, I am taking the sides of the defenceless children, the mothers, the fathers...who died or have watch their children die.
    I am defending those innocent ones who happen to be in both Israel and Palestine.

  • Posted By: astark2009 @ 01/05/2009 3:56:12 PM

    The questions must be revised on this issue. First, the country is the size of New Jersey, why don't Arab neighbors, that are much larger, one even as big as Texas (Saudia Arabia) help relocate these people if it???s such a problem? Why don't Arab countries provide health services or food, why is it only the Western World? Why do we look to pin all the worlds??? problems on a small country in the Middle East, when this country is not responsible for the attacks in Europe and the U.S.? Why do we pin our problems on Israel, when they are the only ally that votes always in support of the U.S. from agricultural to military, while all the Arab countries and European countries vote against? Why do we look to rework our relationship with the only Middle Eastern country where Media is free, where democracy exists; and where women, gay, and other racial and religious minorities are not persecuted but protected by the Israeli constitution, while we look away as all of Israel's neighbors neglect, abuse, and persecute (many times by violence and death) these groups to the fullest? As for Hamas, all Gaza had to do, has to do, is stop firing "DAILY" rockets at Israel and renounce terror, would we allow Mexico or Canada to do behave this way towards us? Its a very simple idea stop attacking and gain safety and freedom within Gaza and even statehood. The West Bank should be a model, you haven't really heard much going on there have you? Also consider Islamisism, ask who are those of Darfur persecuted by, who are the attacks in Kashmir and within India instigated by, hell who are attacks within Pakistan instigated by, what about in Somalia, Chechnya (although Russia in this case is extremely brutal), Philipines, the fighting (and brutal killings) between Hamas and Fatah, or the attacks in Europe and the U.S.? The Islamists are waging a war with the West, the biggest question is are we going to defend our culture and the rights we have worked so hard for, for so many generations, or are we going to turn a blind eye, and feed into this idea that these repressive groups just want a little piece of land and their religious mission is over when we give it back or succumb to one of their hundreds of demands? Hopefully our leaders are a little bit more coherent and understanding of the situation.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 01/05/2009 4:55:12 PM

      Would it be acceptable for everyone in New Jersey to be driven from their homes by European immigrants with armed militia, on the argument that New York and Pennsylvania are large, after all, and can easily absorb the refugees? People driven from their homes in New Jersey would be enraged by such an argument; New Yorkers and Pennsylvanians wouldn't be too impressed with it, either.

      The Palestinians driven from their lands in 1947-48, or in 1967, are INDIVIDUALS... that some OTHER Arabs have land somewhere else is irrelevant... THESE Arabs, Muslim and Christian, have rights to self-determination in the land where they were born... 400,000 of them were driven from the land in 1948-49, and 3/4 of Palestine was seized and occupied by the European immigrants, with their armed militia....who also took the REST of Palestine under military occupation in 1967. The rights of the indigenous people to self-determination on their own ancestral land, a right guaranteed by the lofty promises of mandatory powers and international bodies like the United Nations, was violated by these acts of ethnic cleansing and land seizure. It would please the European immigrant Jewish population of Israel if someone ELSE provided compensation for the crimes Israelis committed against the indigenous people of the land they now live on, but there is no justice in such a suggestion.

      Israelis now, after generations of this, have no place else to go, and they aren't going anywhere... but neither do the Palestinians have anywhere else to go (and it is wrong to insist that THEY, the ultimate victims in all of this should have to leave what little is currently left to them of their homeland). Until it is generally recognized that the Arabs WERE the victims here, and some effort is made to compensate them for lands they cannot regain, and until the Palestinians are permitted self-determination (as so long promised) in what IS left of their own land, there will be neither peace nor justice in the Middle East.

    • Posted By: epryor @ 01/05/2009 4:04:02 PM

      Do you want to be relocated to a foreign country. Democracy??? Democracy for everyone but their Arab own citizens.

      • Posted By: epryor @ 01/05/2009 4:20:52 PM

        Oops! I meant own Arab citizens.

  • Posted By: jncc1701 @ 01/05/2009 4:45:04 PM

    "Then there's the settlements issue. In 25 years of working on this issue for six secretaries of state, I can't recall one meeting where we had a serious discussion with an Israeli prime minister about the damage that settlement activity???including land confiscation, bypass roads and housing demolitions???does to the peacemaking process."

    A jew wrote this? Amazing...too bad no network covers this when it happens. It will be very easy to understand the violence.

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