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  • Posted By: jsemshu @ 01/24/2009 10:22:34 AM

    PS. if this galwaan fellow's accusation is true, then the writer would have been atleast 22 years old in 1990, and thus about 41 years old today. Except the picture of the author does not show a 41 year old woman. it shows a woman who is about 30 or so. Which means the author would have been about 11-12 years old in 1990

    Mr. Galwaan, you are a liar and a crook.

  • Posted By: jsemshu @ 01/24/2009 8:54:07 AM

    wow. now the kashmiri muslims start concocting lies about the where the writer went to university and when to discredit her story. For all I know that phone number belongs to someone who is ready to tell the lie that this galwaan fellow has written.

    And this majidmajidi immediately jumps in to validate the lie.

    The funny thing is, Galwaan KNOWS he is lying. and he does it anyway, instead accusing the writer of lying. The hypocrisy of these people!

    It seems some kashmiri muslims are only too willing to tell deliberate bare faced lies, such is their sense of honesty and honor.

  • Posted By: majidmajidi @ 01/24/2009 7:50:22 AM

    "galwaan" has come up with another embarrassing, and shocking fact about Aarti???s lies spread through Newsweek. After a month, I came back to this forum, thinking the comments must have stopped by now, and the hate mail, too. But perhaps Aarti forgot: when you lie on Newsweek, you are caught. And so was Aarti. She twisted facts while narrating her motivated story, thinking that this might be accepted as truth. But then her lies had to face the occupied-truth from Kashmir -- the truth of Indian occupation. Aarti, you truth turned out to be a plain lie; ours is occupied by India. But then truth always wins. And occupation is bound to end.

  • Posted By: jsemshu @ 01/24/2009 1:50:12 AM

    why restrict it to 100 years? The claim has been made that Kashmir has no Indian heritage or history when it was infact a hindu territory till forced conversions to islam. The valley is littered with the ruins of hindu temples destroyed by muslims.

    Free will, my foot. The only hindus in Kashmir who converted under their own free will were those who thought that converting would bring them privilege and power from the muslim rulers. All the others the forced conversions. The remaining few who did not convert were finally driven out of Kashmir by islamic terrorists.

  • Posted By: jsemshu @ 01/23/2009 5:57:23 PM

    Marazi should also tell readers about the massacres, forced conversions, destruction of temples and general destruction of Kashmiri hindu culture that the muslims committed in kashmir when they converted it to Islam at the edge of a sword.

    modern day kashmiris and their terrorists have completed the centuries old ethnic cleansing of Kashmir

    Congratulations. What India has done in Kashmir is not a patch on what muslims did in Kashmir over the centuries as they set about eradicating hindus and Hinduism.

    • Posted By: henry123 @ 01/23/2009 6:50:14 PM

      you lair, just quote one example whena mandir was demolished in kashmir for the last 100 year. We kashmiris converted on our own free will

  • Posted By: Rajni koul @ 01/23/2009 5:51:48 PM

    http://www.freepressjournal.in/FPJ/FPJ/2009/01/22/ArticleHtmls/22_01_2009_005_005.shtml?Mode=1

    Trickling reports from Kashmir go to suggest that the people are beginning to realise that between azaadi and economic development, the latter is wiser choice, and India is a better bet.

    W hen some forty hectares of useless and inhabitable forest land was given for temporary use to people engaged in the centuries-old Amarnath Yatra in Kashmir, the reaction of the jihadi-inspired Kashmiris was vulgar, ungracious, unbelievable and downright sickening. There were huge demonstrations in Srinagar. Charges were made that Hindu pilgrims will stay put permanently in the temporary tents set up for them and thereby disturb the demographic character of the area. This and many such white lies were openly propagated.

    The Kashmir Muslims chose to forget how thousands of Kashmir Pundit families had been deprived of their homes and driven out of Kashmir, their own homeland, to live in utter poverty in Jammu and far away places. It didn't matter to the Muslims if over 10,000 forest trees were ruthlessly chopped down to make way for the Mughal Road or vast acres of land were left fallow. But helping Hindu pilgrims was another matter. And the effete UPA Government could do nothing.. An anarchical agitation began in Srinagar with the Mufti, the Hurriyat and Omar Abdullah uniting to deprive Hindu pilgrims some basic necessities.

    It is hard to imagine a more uncivilised and barbaric behaviour. That the concept of Kashmir as the land of Shiva was a fact of life, long before Islam was even formulated, did not matter to the Sunni & Wahabi Muslims in the Valley. Hating Hindus was all. The point was further stressed that Kashmir was being treated unfairly by the Union Government, another major lie that stands exposed as the truth becomes known. The plain fact is that Jammu & Kashmir is being treated like a spoilt child, getting from the Union Government much more what than it deserves. As Prof. R. Vaidhyanathan, a distinguished economist recently exposed (External India, Oct.08) socio-economic and financial indicators reveal that J & K is one of the leading states in India belonging to top ten percentiles among them.

    Forget the fact that Hindus constitute 32 percent of the State's population but have never had a Chief Minister. In many fields the Union Government has been more than fair to J & K which the Muslim population of the state has never had the decency to acknowledge. .....
    Please read full article on fallowing link
    http://www.freepressjournal.in/FPJ/FPJ/2009/01/22/ArticleHtmls/22_01_2009_005_005.shtml?Mode=1




  • Posted By: Marazi @ 01/23/2009 12:02:47 PM

    If a kashmiri is not anti indian he is not a kashmiri, kashmiri has to be anti indian to be a kashmiri. we are born with anti indian feelings. we are genetically engineered to hate india
    The reason is that india is illegally occupying us and we want freedom from indian aggression

    • Posted By: jsemshu @ 01/23/2009 5:50:50 PM

      Well, then you are condemned to a life of anger and frustration. enjoy it.

  • Posted By: Rajni koul @ 01/23/2009 4:22:57 PM


    Please Mr Marazi Educate your self with your Hindu ancestry and come out of self illusion brutalities of Islam created Sati in Hindu society???..
    India was divided on the bases of religion. Those who could not live under secular thriving democracy of India choose to move to Pakistan. It is never too late if you hate India so much move to the country of your choice but if you choose to live in India you will have to fallow the rule of law you and your elk can not get away with terrorism on Indian soil???here is the article for your reading pleasure written by M. V. Kamath Free Press Journal, January 22, 2009. Kashmiris (read kashmiri Muslims of valley)realize the wisdom of being with Indian Union

    http://www.freepres sjournal. in/FPJ/FPJ/ 2009/01/22/ ArticleHtmls/ 22_01_2009_ 005_005.shtml? Mode=1
    Trickling reports from Kashmir go to suggest that the people are beginning to realise that between azaadi and economic development, the latter is wiser choice, and India is a better bet????????????..

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 01/23/2009 12:08:14 PM

    When Mughals came to kashmir, those days satti practice( satti means that hindu wife after her husbands death she burns herself on her husbands pyre- in indian still this practice is follwed) was at the peak in kashmiri hindues they abolished it

  • Posted By: Mifune1 @ 01/23/2009 9:50:18 AM

    The vast majority of the muslims in Kashmir are descendants of Hindus. This revisionism that Kashmir has not connection to Hindus and hindustan is laughable. Its really pathetic that muslims of Kashmir and Pakistan all are desperate to insist that their pre-islamic history is anything but Hindu. Funny that they don't mind the buddhist history of parts of Pakistan and Afghanista, even when their brothers in the taliban were destroying the priceless heritage of Buddhism at Bamyan.

    Not to mention that Gautam Budha himself was born a Hindu, that he attained nirvana in Maghadha, which is in the heart of Modern day India, that India itself was the fountain from which buddhism spread to the rest of the world.

    This is evidence of the self delusions of the pakistan and pakistani loyalist muslims of south asia, which is their conviction that India is a Hindu country only, only for Hindus, has never been anything except a Hindu country. When the reality is that India has always been a fluid mix of every eastern religion. Virtually all the muslims of south asia are descendants of people who were at some stage either hindus or buddhists or sikhs or jains,, or tribals.

    This is exactly why India will not give Kashmir independence. Because India is a melting pot of every religion, has been for thousands of years, and it will not allow the pakistanis or the kashmiris to establish that there is no place for Muslims in India, that India is only for Hindus.

    Kashmiris are welcome to live in India. If their hatred for india on the basis of their love for islam is so strong, then they should go to Pakistan.

    Islam is not the binding force that islamic nationalists like to believe that it is. Punjabi muslims treated bengali muslims like untouchables. Indian muslims have no interest in the kashmiri muslims. the muslims of poonch rajouri have no sympathy with the muslims of Kashmir, the baluchis don't want to be part of Pakistan. Taleban aside, the afghans hate the pakistanis for the trouble the pakistanis have caused in Afghanistan. Iran and pakistan do not get along. and on and on it goes.

    India similarly has disagreements between its communities, some of them turn shamefully violent, but in the end, India is still a country for all religions and all ethnicities, without prejudice. Muslims who want to live in India are welcome.

    Muslims who hate India are not being kept in India by force. THey are free to leave India and move to Pakistan.

    But Kashmir will remain in India.

  • Posted By: jsemshu @ 01/22/2009 6:40:27 PM

    1. accusing KPs of avoiding questions, when it is the kashmiri muslims who avoid the questions of ethnic cleansing is pretty funny.

    2. Kashmir is a part of India. If Kashmiri muslims don't want to be a part of India because they have religious hatred for India, they should migrate to Pakistan or Saudi arabia or which ever country will take them. At the time of Partition, millions and millions of hindus, muslims and sikhs had to leave their homes to migrate to their new country because they chose not to live in the new country they were part of. Why should kashmiri muslims be exempt from the migration that afflicted all the peoples of the british Raj. After partition, kashmir became part of India. If Kashmiris didn't like that, and they wanted to be part of a muslim country, they should have migrated to Pakistan along with all the other muslims who left India to go to Pakistan (east or west), By staying in Kashmir, they made the choice to remain in India.

    Pakistan was created for the muslims of south Asia. many went. many did not. If you wanted to not live in Hindu India, you should have join ed the migration to Pakistan. You can still go. Nobody will stop you.

    But Kashmir is a part of India. It was historically part of hindu territories for centuries before the birth of Islam, it was part of Hindu and Sikh kingdoms, it was part of the muslim empires that ruled from Delhi, including the mughals, and it was part of British India that ruled from Delhi. It is still part of India thats ruled from Delhi, and it will remain part of India.

    if Kashmiri muslims want to live in India, they were welcome. If they don't want to live In India, they can migrate to Pakistan, which was created the south Asian muslims who didn't want to live in India. But Kashmir will remain a part of India and Kashmiri muslims without religious hatred in their hearts are welcome to stay in India.

    • Posted By: Marazi @ 01/23/2009 6:49:05 AM

      your knowledge about history of kashmir is very less, we were never part of india, we were rulling in 1000 AD not only entire north of india but afganistan also.
      our best period was the rule of our best king called BUDshah, he promoted lot of culture and heritage
      we are 5000 year old country. you pandiths came to kashmir during the time of ashoka ( who killed 6 million people in india) now you have again returned to your roots that is india, so you have not migrated you have returned to ur home

      • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 01/23/2009 7:32:36 AM

        Marazi .. your own statement tells how well informed you are . Probably missed your 5th standard history lessons .Get your facts right about when Asoka the Emperor ruled and when Budshah ruled .
        You cannot compare 5000 year old civilisation with 800 years of rule.
        open your eyes and mind . Lift the veil and see the truth .Come out of your cocoon.
        You didnot relpy to one thing "Pls give me one incident that has happened in Kashmir which shows that KPs are communal.Is following any other religion
        except isllam communal ?"

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 01/22/2009 3:29:20 AM

    we will get independence one day, but you pandiths will rot in the tents of jammu always and dogras of jammu will always discriminate you. you as a communitity are gone.
    Jammu dogras also rejected you and now you are like "Dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghat ka"

    • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 01/22/2009 4:35:02 AM

      Mr Marazi ..Donot be worried about what will happen to Kashmiri Pandits . We are no longer at your beck and call.We are a free community now . We were born to shape this beautiful world and enjoy it and so we shall.
      We are still as progressive as we were .
      The staying in valley has made your vision myopic or even we can call it small town mentality .live with a broader sense and vision .lift the burka off your eyes and open them .See the beauty of nature .Enjoy good music .Live in harmony with nature.You are lucky to be in Kashmir at the spring time (if the secenic beauty ,the forests are still there and not ravaged by your so called leaders).Come out of your cocoon and stop wasting your time on net with opinions of false propaganda,wishful thinking and denial mode .

      • Posted By: Marazi @ 01/22/2009 2:22:44 PM

        OUR VISION would have been myopic if we would have vouched to stay with india, we want our country back from indian occupation, our dream is very good and very big. You are a miniscule population and we care a hoot or two about yu.
        here in this forum i am writting only to see and probe the mentality of the KP,s , they are doing damage to our kashmir cause through net ,
        your KPs are very communal and are jealous of kashmir, you cant see kashmir prosperous,

        • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 01/23/2009 1:40:28 AM

          Marzai ,What ever thinking you are projecting shows that you

          are ill informed . You probably donot have any firsthand

          experiance of coexisting with KP community.
          Pls give me one incident that has happened in Kashmir which

          shows that KPs are communal.Is following any other religion

          except isllam communal ?
          We may be a miniscule population due to the atrocities done on

          our forefathers by the Mughals and Afghans but we still exist

          .We grew from 11 families after that .Do you deny this ?And we

          will grow more .tahastu!
          God had gifted us with the best place on this earth .The

          people were so simple and good .Water was pure and clean

          .There was freedom and absolutely no crime.Women would walk on

          streets fearless even in night hours .People had moderate

          beards and Burkas did not make women faceless..............But

          due to your religious zealots all is gone .We are both

          losers...... Marazi .But you have lost more than us .You have

          lost willingness to beautify this world by your deeds!!

  • Posted By: jsemshu @ 01/21/2009 9:37:35 AM

    Even if all your desires and dreams about India's economic failure come true, you will still not get Azadi. India defended Kashmir from Pakistan and Pakistani backed terrorists for 60 years, even when it had no economic prosperity, and it will continue to do so, no matter what happens to the economy.

    • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 01/23/2009 12:50:54 AM

      Marzai ,What ever thinking you are projecting shows that you are ill informed . You probably donot have any firsthand experiance of coexisting with KP community.
      Pls give me one incident that has happened in Kashmir which shows that KPs are communal.Is following any other religion except isllam communal ?
      We may be a miniscule population due to the atrocities done on our forefathers by the Mughals and Afghans but we still exist .We grew from 11 families after that .Do you deny this ?And we will grow more .tathastu!
      God had gifted us with the best place on this earth .The people were so simple and good .Water was pure and clean .There was freedom and absolutely no crime.Women would walk on streets fearless even in night hours .People had moderate beards and Burkas did not make women faceless..............But due to your religious zealots all is gone .We are both losers...... Marazi .But you have lost more than us .You have lost willingness to beautify this world by your deeds!!

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 01/22/2009 3:09:04 PM

    The MCOCA court will debate the mammoth 4,000 page chargesheet submitted by the Anti-Terrorism Squad on Thursday. The chargesheet reveals radical intentions of creating a Hindu nation and extensive attempts by the saffron terror brigade to network with Israel and Nepal.
    Suspended Army man Lt Col Prasad Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur and Swami Dayanand Pandey are allegedly the key perpetrators of saffron terror. According to the Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) the transcripts of audio video recordings recovered from Dayanand Pandey???s laptop is evidence enough to prove that Purohit had already kicked off efforts to liaison with establishments in Nepal and Israel to set up a separate Hindu rashtra.
    In a meeting which was attended by Dayanand Pandey alias Sudhakar Dwivedi, Delhi based Dr R P Singh, a Col Bappaditya Dhar, Himani Sawarkar and others, Purohit is seen and heard saying: ???I have contacted Israel and one of our captains has been to Israel. There has been a very positive response from their side. They have said show us something on the ground because we have just shown them everything on paper right now. They said wait and watch for six months.???
    On behalf of the council of the right wing Hindu extremists, Purohit had even managed to clinch a couple of deals with his counterparts in Israel. The ATS transcripts show Purhit saying: ???We asked for four things - continuous and uninterrupted supply of equipmental training, secondly allow us to start our office with a saffron flag in Tel Aviv, number three political asylum and number four support our cause in the United Nations that Hindu nation is born.???
    At one point Swami Dayanand Pandey is heard saying: ???I had told you that day that two people from Israel had come to us. They sat here and talked for a while and whatever it is they promised to cooperate first.???
    The transcripts also speak of the group???s plan to seek help from ousted Nepal monarch King Gyanendra. In his conversations with the other accused Purohit explains: ???We must understand our requirement. I should tell you that we had a meeting fixed with King Gyanendra for June 24, 2006 and then again on February 13, 2007. We had fixed this meeting on the phone.
    The transcripts also mentions of Queen Aishwarya???s interest in Hindu fundamentalism and her association with Purohit.
    Swami Dayanand Pandey: ???Who is this queen????
    Purohit: ???Gyanendra???s wife, the maharani. She is anyway attached to him. We have been in contact with her.???

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 01/22/2009 3:02:58 PM

    I dont understand why you KP,s get stomach ache when we kashmiris demand independence from the illegal indian occupation. we dont want to be under hindu indian rule. we are a muslim country and we have history of 5000 years which is older than indian and pakistani history.
    we demand freedom from india according to the UN resututions.
    why you spread venom agaisnt kashmir, you are people without country and you have chosen to live like parasites in india like jews are in arab world.
    dont interfere in kashmir business, if you want to come we dont have any objection , we dont mind a minscule community like u staying with us. it will make any difference to us

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 01/22/2009 2:31:21 PM

    Dear KP's dont avoid this question answer this
    Dear kashmiri pandits who do u think is our real representative of kashmir
    is it NC, , PDP,JKLF, HM, YASEEN MALIK, SAJJAD LONE, OMAR ABDULLAH, MEHBOOBA MUFTI OR GEELANI SAHIB,

  • Posted By: jsemshu @ 01/22/2009 9:35:27 AM

    funny that kashmiri muslims should feel so proud and smug about what they have condemned the KPs to, while at the same time they get on their knees to grovel and beg the world to pay attention to their own humiliation.

    As to whether you will ever get independence, you're welcome to keep dreaming. Your dreams may come true. or you may one day wake up from the dream,

  • Posted By: jsemshu @ 01/21/2009 6:33:16 AM

    I am glad that the kashmiri youth see Obama as a hero. because they are going to be disappointed and I will enjoy their disappointment.

    Obama cannot and will not do anything to secure azadi for the Kashmiris.

    • Posted By: Marazi @ 01/21/2009 7:19:20 AM

      We will secure AZADI ourselves, Obama will initially ban outsoucing and indian beggers will be jobless.
      I request US and UK companies not to do any business with indian IT companies as they are rouges and crooks , they will steal your money. Sattyam computers has already done the biggest fraud, now indias second largest IT company WIPro also has been banned by world Bank.
      US companies please be cautious of your indian workers as they are master in cheating, especially IT guys

  • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 01/21/2009 4:26:14 AM

    truth is always bitter

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 01/21/2009 12:08:57 AM

    OBAMA is seen as hero in Kashmir, kashmiri youth are very happy with Obams and look forward that he will put pressure on india to leave its occupation on kashmir and implement the UN resultuions so that thre is peace in south asia.
    Not only should india leave kashmir but other states who are fighting for freedom, like Nagaland, Assam, Punjab, Mizoram , Tamil Nadu.
    Punjabis are asking for khalistan, tamils are asking for dravidanadu, north eastern states were free upto recently and are now undier indian occupation forcibly, Arunachal pradesh which is part of china are also struggling to free itself from india and merge with china

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