‘It Is Never Over, Never Escaped’

One Kashmiri Pandit killed by Militants is one too many.

Kashmiri Pandits do not breed to send their Children and loved ones to Jihadi Graves.
That may be the privilege of Kashmiri Muslims. So be it. God will know which Hell to send them
or may be they will be denied entry even in Hell.

Kashmiri pandiths have been poisoned by hindu extremists like BJP, RSS, Bajrang Dal, SHiv sena.. they speak the same language as their masters. That is why the terrorist sadhu ( hindu religious seer) danyanad who came from india and camped in jammu and spread hate their , he fooled kashmiri pandiths and they started the agitation amarnath land.
despite the economic blockade done by kashmiri pandiths with BJP terrorists , we wellcomed yatris and they yatris number this year was 500,000.
BJP not only have poisoned the naive kashmiri pandiths but they have now poisoned the indian army ( indian army were very bad previoulsly also) and now they have become state terrorists. indian army colonel prohit in nexus with bjp terrorists did bomb blast of train called samjotha express in which he killed 55 pakistani muslims., colonel prohit did hundreads of bomb blasts in kashmir and killed thousands of mulsmims. he did bomb blasts usually in tourist season at vantage points of famous dal lake and mogul gardens
earlier kashmrii pandiths were fooled by congress and now they are puppets in the hands of BJP
all kashmiri pandith candidats ( 47) lost the election. even jammu dogras ddint vote them

A typical sense of insanity prevails that prevails in the masses in Kashmir is best described by their Short-Term Memory losses and their political/social behaviour sumamrized here at this blog.

http://nietzschereborn.blogspot.com/2008/09/we-people.html

A peom by famous Brijnath Betaba nd translated by another renowed LIterary personality named Rashneek verse by ver..


Muday Gande gande chu rozaan asmanas
Muda Yamesund chu vatun la-makanas

In unwavering gaze, he stares the sky
Certain of finding a way, back home

Naves doras ander pake bronth suy akh
Chu rahbar nav javaan yas kaarevanas

Will see the dawn of the new firmament
The caravan of who, is by the precept of youth,

Pazzar posheich chi prakrat mushqe chatunuy
Tagun gache sag ti dyun tat bhagewannas

Nurse the buds of your dreams and reveries
In veracity will the fragrance blossom

Zamanay Gardeshan yaem laeg safaras
Timay havan pagah vath nov zamanas

Addresses of those lost in the upheavals of time
Will lead the future to horizons anew

Naves gaashas andar naev aash zotan
Oobur hyotmut chalun chun aasemanas

In bright light, fresh hopes simmer
Clearing are the clouds of despair

Pholan tith guel gachan sartaaze aangan
Lagan vaen parde naev praenes makaanas

Afresh will the courtyard be in bloom of flowers
And adorn will the new curtains, the old house

Tawarikhuk Kasam Betab aese Zenav
Phutan kothe gach che vich paanay tufaanas

Destined we are to win,Betab
Storm itself will be doldrums then

It has been a typical response from Kashmiri Muslims all along. Just like thier masters in Pakistan, these folks simply deny whatever has happened. What I am saying, and many have said on this site - including the author, is a first hand experience of the hell that we went through.

I was there when mosques used to announce - Kashmiri Pandits should leave Kashmir, and leave behind thier women folk, or face death. There used to be "hit-lists" pasted on the houses of Kashmiri Pandits. Even announcements in newspapers that kashmiri Pandits will face only death. Had it been mere announcements, none of us would have left. But, when you hear about innoncent fellow community members tortured to death (some were killed in a saw mill, some were killed by piercing live cigarrette butts, some were cut into several pieces) ... and these were people who had nothing to do with any kind of strong sentiments .. they were literary people, ordinary bank employees, ordinary teachers, ordinary TV artists ...

The so called "official" numbers of Kashmiri Pandits being killed are nothing but a farce.

We know our plight, we are living in exile. No amount of worldly pleasures can replace our roots, our homeland. We want our homeland back.

Islam believes in Peace- This is what we are made to believe in the West. However, 19 years back (1989-1990) the Islamic mosques in Kashmir Valley on their Public address system gave Kashmiri Hindus the aboriginal people of Kashmir three choices- And the choices were to convert to Islam, Leave Kashmir, or face death. The Kashmiri Hindus chose to leave. The wave after wave of Kashmiri Hindus left Kashmir over last many centuries due to discrimination and forced conversion by the Moslems. That much for the peaceful religion and the Jihadi culture.

The minorities Hindus and Christians in Pakistan, Bangladesh have the same experience. The Minority population in Pakistan has dropped from 10 % to less than 1 % in last sixty years. and the Kashmiri Moslems have temerity to justify their actions and running down the factual reporting of Aarti Tiku Singh and justifying the Intolerance in its extreme form that practitioners of Islam are practicing worldwide.

This was not a one time incident. Kashmiri Hindus have been discriminated by the Kashmiri Moslems in Education, Job and other opportunities. A Hindu Student with A grade would not be admitted into Medical or Engineering schools and a Moslem with C grade would be admitted just because he is a Moslem- Systemic discrimination against Kashmiri Hindus is practiced in Kashmir without shame.

Thank you Aarti for raising the issue of Kashmiri Pandits and their aspirations to go back to their home ???Kashmir Valley??? and the emotional trauma they suffered. We love brave journalist who report well researched report. Thank you Aarti once again.

Vinod Munshi, Toronto Canada

This is my reply to Marazi's comments. I am not sure when you were born and where you were born. But it is clear that you hardly know about Kashmir. Forget about Kashmir, you hardly know about humanity. If some one gives you money to sell you home, where you have been living for ages and generations, will you do that? Will you play victim to get the benefits, if you are asked to get your father's body cut on a saw mill before that? The conclusion I have reached after your comments that you are all the same. The problem is in your blood. Wherever you are, you have spread hate and killings. Maybe that is what they teach you as madrassas that killing innocent people will make you attain the heaven. Kashmiri Muslims have been the same kind after all the trainings in terrorist camps in POK have not gone waste. I will tell you and rest of the community of what we have lost and if you, for money can loose that (however I have a feeling people like you would not feel the lose), then you are the part of same blood trail:

Lost our home to our worst enemies - imagine the feeling ( and if we have sold our homes to them for making a living outside, imagine the guilt)

Lost our beloved family members in YOUR war for independence. If you want, I can share some pictures and statistics of brutality we faced there.

Lost our financial stability - if you have a family, you will know how hard it hits.

I don't want to tell you before you are convinced that we are still loosing a lot. But yes, I can tell you that we have fought back with the system by our own intellect and we stand on our own feet. Unlike you, who bribe the terrorists with their daughters and mothers to get more money? You guys come to do commerce in rest of India and there you say that these terrorists have spoiled our land and when you are back in Kashmir, you should "human right and violations" look at yourselves in the mirror for God's sake. Don't you feel ashamed?

Rajesh, Virginia, USA

This is my reply to Marazi's comments. I am not sure when you were born and where you were born. But it is clear that you hardly know about Kashmir. Forget about Kashmir, you hardly know about humanity. If some one gives you money to sell you home, where you have been living for ages and generations, will you do that? Will you play victim to get the benefits, if you are asked to get your father's body cut on a saw mill before that? The conclusion I have reached after your comments that you are all the same. The problem is in your blood. Wherever you are, you have spread hate and killings. Maybe that is what they teach you as madrassas that killing innocent people will make you attain the heaven. Kashmiri Muslims have been the same kind after all the trainings in terrorist camps in POK have not gone waste. I will tell you and rest of the community of what we have lost and if you, for money can loose that (however I have a feeling people like you would not feel the lose), then you are the part of same blood trail:

Lost our home to our worst enemies - imagine the feeling ( and if we have sold our homes to them for making a living outside, imagine the guilt)

Lost our beloved family members in YOUR war for independence. If you want, I can share some pictures and statistics of brutality we faced there.

Lost our financial stability - if you have a family, you will know how hard it hits.

I don't want to tell you before you are convinced that we are still loosing a lot. But yes, I can tell you that we have fought back with the system by our own intellect and we stand on our own feet. Unlike you, who bribe the terrorists with their daughters and mothers to get more money? You guys come to do commerce in rest of India and there you say that these terrorists have spoiled our land and when you are back in Kashmir, you should "human right and violations" look at yourselves in the mirror for God's sake. Don't you feel ashamed?

R. Kachroo, Virginia, USA

Dear Mr Marazi,

well you may play Mathematics but let me tell you that your BODMAS is weak.. the way you have potrayed these inflated numbers it looks like 3rd world war is on and rather than Europe it is in Kashmir. Please quote the number of KMs who are fighting in Afghanistan with taliban and never have come back. Number of Killing because of Armed Guerrella Islamic Mujahideen and Numbers killed in cross firing.. Numbers raped etc by Islamic terrorists.

Please dont justify mindless religious voilence to the civilized world. India has 15 Crore Muslims which makes it 2nd largest Muslim nation in World at least 3 times of pakistan. India is run by Sikh PM and Muslim President . Its Best Scientist and ex president was Muslim.. Best Tennis palyer is Muslim.. Its cheif of Federal agency and State Home Minister is MUSLIIM...

WHom are you blinding here... We have a catholic lady leaving PM post for SIkh.. and Muslim president swearing the SIKH PM... Are you doubting this secular country for a terrorist stricken and bankrupt nation called pakistan.

Our small time IT company called Satyam has a budget twice of Pakistan and still Muslims in Pakistan cant get enough ration in stock for next 2 months. Please wake up. Muslims are better off in Secular INDIA than in pakistan or anyother Muslim Nation.

KPs lived in worst circumstance and today head some of the best financial and IT insititution of world. They have been successful businessmen , They have been successful entrepreneurs in EU and US and AUS.

Now please dont blame US/UK GOVTs that they loaned them amount.

Where there is a will there is a way.. your Myopic view of world will lead to destruction and self denial. please wake up .

From 1300 AD till now .. all that Islam has done in Kashmir is destruction of its Kashmiriyat , secularism and degraded its inteelectual worth.. what was once known as seat of learning as SHARDAH peeth happedn to be terrorist camp now.

All because English speaking terrorists like you aptronise and add fuel to fire of voilence and religious animosty.

Kashmiri pandiths enjoy playing victim and they fool govt of india by extracting benifits from them. every kashmri pandith family has its children given free education and admission in professional colleges of india by govt of india.
in kashmir they sold their houses or they set them on fire with the help of indian army and then took money from not only one insurance agency btut many agencies. they took money from govt of india as aid. every pandith family get doles from india, what pandiths have done is that they have made fraud ration cards and shown one famjly as at least five five family and get aid in the name of all five. biggest ration card scandals have been unearthed by jammu dogra police.
THEY ARE AS A COMMUNITY DONE, THEY MARRIED INDIANS HINDUES AND HAVE NOW LOST THEIR LANGUAGE ALSO
they should desist from anti kashmir activities as that is the only safe place for them. in india dalits and other low casts live life of animals , soon govt of india may take all the doles and then they will be left in caste ridden india adn then thwy will have to return to kashmir. they should agian purchase back their houses whihc they ahve sold in kashmnnir

Presently, the situation in Kashmir, according to international organiasations & global media has not changed yet very much. It is still alarming and sparking flames in South Asia, that more then seven hundred thousand Indian army deployed in a small 40 -80 square miles area is the heaviest concentration in human history, and its all without any moral, political and legal code. 92 thousand Kashmiris have been killed by the Indian army in 17 years.





Since January 1989 to April 30, 2007:





Total killing. 91,865


Custodial Killing 6,899


Women gang raped


& Molested 9,708


Civilian arrested 113,798


Structures arsoned /


Destroyed 105,353


Children orphaned 106,930


Women widowed 22,530





The International NGO's Amnesty International, Human rights watch, Asia watch, Red Cross, Medicine sans frontier and others are not allowed to visit Kashmir. Torture is widespread, particularly in the temporary detention centres; methods of torture include electric shock, prolonged beatings and sexual molestation of innocent women.

Dear Raman it is usually said in Kashmiri language that KOKRYAN MOKHTU CHAKUN feeding hens with pearls that you have apprised Kashmiris of Abhinav Gupta connection. Once I told one of my friends about the roots of a Kashmiri with Kashmiri ancestors who were great Rishis of Kashmir, he at once expressed his association with Arabs! You can not convince a Kashmiri Muslim for his ROOTS with Kashmir is a big question? My friend later told me that it is the lower casts of Kashmiri Muslim populace who are of Kashmiri Brahmin Origin? To show yourself a KHANDANI MUSARMAAN a high caste Muslim is a weekness of every Kashmiri who seems to be desirous of making world know about his origin which is suspected by Arabs in Arab world? To me there is still hope for Kashmiri Pandits who can save Kashmir once again and bring life to the valley suffering from terror!

If kashmiri muslims will not aknowledge and admit that Kashmir pandits were terrorised, that the militants and the mosques deliberately sought the ethnic cleansing of kashmir, they shouldn't complain when other peopledon't aknowledge or admit the wrongs done to the Kashmiri Muslims.

It is the kashmiri muslims who started the violent conflict in Kashmir. What did they think? that India would just run away? Had they not seen what had happened in Punjab in the 1980s? What made them think that the consequences would be any different for Kashmiris?

If the Kashmiris want peace, if they want the army to go away, if they want life to return to normal and for the violations to stop, they are going to have to be the ones to end the conflict. they will have to put down the guns, they will have to stop sheltering the terrorists pakistan sends, they will have to stop their own boys and men from fighting. THey will have to accept defeat, and they will have to make some political settlement with delhi, such as autonomy.

If they won't do this, that means they don't want the conflict to end, except in victory for them. In which case, let them fight till they win and stop complaining about the consequences of a war they started, they want to continue.

Time magzine report when indian troops killed and burned innocent kashmiri muslims in apple town sopore
On this day, at least 55 unarmed civilians were killed by the Indian troopers of Border Security Force. This is one of the few massacres that have been mentioned in TIME magazine. The magazine described the massacre as:

???Perhaps there is a special corner in hell reserved for troopers who fire their weapons indiscriminately into a crowd of unarmed civilians. That, at least, must have been the hope of every resident who defied an army-enforced curfew in the Kashmiri town of Sopur to protest a massacre that left 55 people dead and scores injured.???

"It was India???s latest blow in a three-year campaign to crush the predominantly Muslim state???s bid for independence. In retaliation for the killing of one soldier, paramilitary forces rampaged through Sopur???s market setting buildings ablaze and shooting bystanders. The Indian government pronounced the event ???unfortunate??? and claimed that an ammunition dump had been hit by gunfire, setting off fires that killed most of the victims.???

The title of the news report read (on January 18, 1993) ???Blood tide rising: Indian forces carry out one of the worst massacres in Kashmir???s history.???

Human Rights Watch tells the same story.

since childhhod i have had to listen and read about only muslims and (their socalled) suffering in kashmir. the pain of muslims was always given the priority, and the truth lay hidden about the massacre of hindus by radical islamists.

I am so glad to read your article. it is a refreshing change to read about us for a change. please donot be bothered about comments.. you have written a brilliant piece. please keep writing... alll the best. Thank you so much.!

Deception and lies are the tools used by Islamic terrorists and their over ground supporters so I am not surprised by the comments made by Muslims on the forum. Self denial of Kashmiri Muslims and Muslims in general is common especially educated ones.
Biggest lie propagated by Kashmiri Muslims or have been made to believe - Jag Mohan was responsible for Hindu exodus from Kashmir?
Give me a break, weather it is 911 in US or 26/11 in Mumbai - Muslims will argue that it is a conspiracy hatched by the state ? If it was Jagmohan, why were Hindus leaving from Ramban, Kishtwar and Doda area which was inflicted by Islamic terrorism after Jag Mohan's tenure ?

It is a shame that younger generation of Kashmiri Muslims are fed lies, they need to read history of Kashmir from 1300 AD onwards and see for themselves what happened to Kashmiri Hindus. They need to go back to their original roots of Kashmir, the rich culture with out bindings of one book one prophet one idea. How freedom of thought was a way of life.

Kashmiri Muslims:
Read about your ancestor Abhinavagupta and see for your self what you belong to ? Shun the blind ideology of tribes, looters and killers.

May noble thoughts come to you from every where!
Raman

Most of the Kashmiri Muslims on this chain seem to be MISINFORMED LOT, so be it. People are reacting in the expected fashion because no one can expect anything from them that can show their MATUARITY. They are introduced to the entire world due to this practice of shedding crocodile tears. What has happened to Kashmiri Muslims is the outcome of Kashmiri Separatists ideology of Separatism, Terrorism, Hatred and Secession.
We Kashmiri Pandits did not invite what happened with us and what was forced on us the violence and hatred! KSM???s gave rise to the entire hell, all what they are experiencing today and in reality what they strongly deserve to experience. Still we pray for the entire world to come out of the trauma of violence and terror be it anyone but not the guilty just innocents.
Be brave O Kashmiri Mussarmaan. Come out of the dark and realize what you have gifted the world is all inhuman and what you support today and sing in praise of Separatism is SIN, so feel it, vibrate it within, the things of utmost importance and see what good can you do to Kashmir and to the entire world in terms of Peace, Love and harmonious living!

Dear Mufti Saheb,

I ONLY wish what you have written was even half truth.

Pakistan says now that they are victims of terrorism because they are grown beyond their imagination and are now in a psoition to over trow all those who go against them. There is a famous saying in Kashmir (Hope you know Kashmiri language) and it goes like this " YUSUY ROCHUM TASI NISH RACHTAM KHODAYO". You all started this thing and then got killed by army. You were under the impression that India or for that matter any country in Indias place would have offered Kashmir to Pakistan on a platter. People had to react and in that course got killed.

So the lesser said the better it is. Take a deep breath and think about it. To remind you of another saying which goes 'PANANI KAKAER NAY BAD ASIHE, BEYI SANDI GARI KYAZI DIYAHE THOOL". If there was no local support given to outsiders may be we were not thrown out got killed. Rmemember the night when you all shouted on top of your voices from the loudspeakers of Mosques (Thus denegrating these places) saying. SARI CHALIV HINDUSTAAN, BATANEV ROSTAY BATAV SAAN.

I only pray that MAY GOOD SENSE PREVAIL UPON PEOPLE WHO STARTED THIS MOVMENT to finsish the place which once was called ENGLAND OF INDIA.

Allah Hafiz - Mufti Saheb.

lasiv ta Naviv, Insaniyatuk thaviv khayaal.

last but not the least - as they say - KHUDA SEY KHAUF KHH AYE BANDHE, YAHAN KIYA YAHEIN CHUKAANA HAI.

ALLAH HAFIZ.

Everybody knows that 209 kashmiri hindus were killed in kashmir(mostly by unidentified gunmen, probably indian army -- to creat differences in the kashmiri community) so far. But what about those 70000 kashmiri muslims who were killed by indian army, thousads of kashmiri womens raped by indian army, forcible disseaprences by indian army , torture, daily crackdowns by forces etc. I'm not justifying the killings of hindus In gujrat thousands of muslims were massacared by hindus but they did'nt leave gujrat.Kashmiri sikhs did'nt leave kashmir even though 36 kashmiri sikhs were killed by indian agencies on the eve of bill clinton's visit to india. The fact is that 5000 kashmiri hindus are still living in kashmir valley. nobody is killing them. They are living peacefully.
The article by Aarti is an attempt to malign the kashmiri independence struggle which is secular . the independence movement in kashir is not only for muslims, it is for hindus also. we love our pandit brothers and sisters and we want them back to kashmir