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  • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/24/2009 6:44:10 AM

    Hey that is great. You are learning hinduism ....
    So by the definition copy-pasted by you---- (Hinduism is too broad a phenomenon to be confined to a usual definitions of religions. It does not owe its origin, formation or finalization to any historical person or a prophet since there is no uniformly accepted belief sacraments, rituals and practices in Hinduism, there are no criteria for establishing rules in Hinduism. In short a person who calls himself a Hindu becomes a true practicing Hindu irrespective who he worships )--YOU ARE ALSO A HINDU .Does that hurt you ?so that was why I was suggesting that you go through that article by Tarun Vijay ....It is about the "people of INDUS (Hindu is derived from INDUS ..right ..as per britishers

  • Posted By: jsemshu @ 03/23/2009 7:57:17 PM

    this is still going on?!

    hahaha!

    • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/24/2009 2:31:09 AM

      yeah still on ..me and marazi have found a new way of communicating and enriching oneself . You wanna join the debate ??:-)

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 03/23/2009 9:06:13 AM

    1. Definition of a Hindu
    The word Hindu has geographical significance and was used originally for those people who lived beyond the river Sindhu or the region watered by the river Indus. Some historians say that it was first used by the Persians who came to India through the north western passes of the Himalayas. The word Hindu is no where mentioned in Indian literature or scriptures before the advent of Muslims to India, according to the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics. According to Jawaharlal Nehru in the book Discovery of India on page 74-75, he writes that the earliest reference to the word Hindu can be traced to a tantrik of the 8th Century CE, where it means a people and not a follower of a particular religion. The use of the word Hindu in connection with a particular religion is of late occurrence.
    In short Hindu is a geographical definition used for the people living beyond the river Indus or those living in India
    2. Definition of Hinduism
    a) Hinduism has been derived from the word Hindu. Hinduism was a name given in English language in the Nineteenth Century by the English people to the multiplicity of the beliefs and faith of the people of the Indus land. According to New Encyclopedia Britannica 20:581. The British writers in 1830 gave the word Hinduism to be used as the common name for all the beliefs of the people of India excluding the Muslims and converted Christians.
    b) The term Hinduism is misleading because though it suggests the unified system of beliefs and ideas, it is certainly not the case. Hinduism is too broad a phenomenon to be confined to a usual definitions of religions. It does not owe its origin, formation or finalization to any historical person or a prophet since there is no uniformly accepted belief sacraments, rituals and practices in Hinduism, there are no criteria for establishing rules in Hinduism. In short a person who calls himself a Hindu becomes a true practicing Hindu irrespective who he worships and what ever may be his beliefs and practice.
    c) According to the Hindu scholars Hinduism is a misnomer and it should be referred a Sanatana Dharma, meaning eternal religion or Vedic Dharma meaning religion of the Veda. According to Swami Vivekananda the followers of this religion is referred as Vedantist.

    • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/24/2009 2:29:26 AM

      Hey that is great. You are learning hinduism ....
      So by the definition copy-pasted by you---- (Hinduism is too broad a phenomenon to be confined to a usual definitions of religions. It does not owe its origin, formation or finalization to any historical person or a prophet since there is no uniformly accepted belief sacraments, rituals and practices in Hinduism, there are no criteria for establishing rules in Hinduism. In short a person who calls himself a Hindu becomes a true practicing Hindu irrespective who he worships Does that hurt you ?so that was why I was suggesting that you go through that article by Tarun Vijay ....It is about the "people of INDUS (Hindu is derived from INDUS ..right ..as per britishers).

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 03/23/2009 9:03:42 AM

    no i diid not read it,

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 03/23/2009 7:54:56 AM

    Tarun vijay is a fanatic and writes articles according to the idealogy of BJP, RSS and other hindu terrorist groups. i will not even spit on his articles

    • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 8:36:18 AM

      So did you go through the article ?just wanted your veiws on that . reserve your spit for some other occassion .....

  • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 8:02:54 AM

    One babri masjid infuriates you .... We have thousands of " babri masjids" done to hindu temples by moughals and your pseudo muslim kashmiris in Indai including kashmir .If you kill people it is your religion and revenge but if you get killed it is human rights voilation ......
    and who are you to challange my religion ... even your Mahmood could not do it ...so he chose to kill people who did not go by his directions.....There is a saying "Any fool will make a law and every fool will follow it "And that is what is happening to you and your religion .If you want to know about Hinduism go and study it > i will suggest get reconverted to hinduism(your great greatgrandfather"s faith) ..learn it sincerely .If you are not convinced then you can go back to isllam .

  • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 4:14:07 AM

    what are your views about this article....I would love to hear them

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Columnists/Tarun-Vijay-The-People-of-Indus/articleshow/4302358.cms

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 03/21/2009 4:16:49 PM

    You hindus have lost your religion, no body in hindus know vedas , and upanashyads.
    you people kknow that this hindu religion is nothing, that is why every channel every TV drama every movie has puja and hindu activties in it as if your religion is in danger, sometimes your stone god drinks milk somtims the sandals start walkking-- what ever crap a sick mind can make you call it religion.
    i laugh when in morning i open TV and see all channels having a program of astrology were experts say how ur day will be tommorrow, if they know so much why didnt they predict the mumbai attacks..
    in ur religon every thig is GOD and in our religion every thign is GOD so
    and calling Allah God is wrong, we have godman, godess etc works
    you have godman osho who ran a sex camp and u have godman sai baba who sodomized english boys

    • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 2:30:58 AM

      Q TV is very scientific huh......???!!!!

    • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 2:11:17 AM

      My Story with the Quran and Losing My Religion
      by Mumin Salih

  • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 2:26:36 AM

    Karnavati's name was changed to "Ahmedabad" in honor of a monster by the name of Sultan Ahmed Shah who came to rob and desecrate this beautiful city in 1411. Overnight the thousands of books and manuscripts which spoke of the wondrous Karnavati were burnt to ashes and it's identity desecrated to Ahmedabad - "City of Ahmed" in an obscene gesture of assertion of power. Sultan Ahmed Shah, the devout Muslim that he was, swore to destroy all traces of "Kafir" (Non Muslim) worship in the land, for the sake of Allah. In Islam it is the religious duty of every Muslim to destroy any place which promotes "Ignorance" meaning any religion other than Islam. In 1414, Ahmed Shah appointed officers to break the idols and strip the riches off every Hindu temple in the vicinity.

    In 1415, Sultan Ahmed Shah himself went to Siddhapur to break the Shiva shrine of Rudramahalaya of Siddharaj. The broken pieces were buried underfoot at the entrance and the vast and beautiful Temple was converted into a Mosque. The ancient Bhadrakali Temple at the heart of Karnavati, was desecrated also completely. Idols of the Devi were crushed and broken and buried under the doorstep. Tantric patterns which decorated the friezes and pillars were chipped off. The golden ceiling which was lined with rubies, emeralds, sapphires, diamonds and jade was stripped completely. The Sanctum Sanctorum where throne pedestals once held images of the benevolent and glorious goddess, was converted into a graveyard. The thrones of the Goddess were used as gravestones. One of the rising spires of the roof was broken off as it was completely covered with carvings of various Shaktis. And since that day the Bhadrakali temple of Karnavati was changed to the Jama Masjid of Ahmedabad.

  • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 2:26:25 AM

    But soon the Hindus found that they could no longer practise their own faith peacefully within the very city which had been created and nurtured by their hard work. The history of Ahmedabad is riddled with instances of Islamic intolerance forcing the Hindus to defend themselves.

    In 1713 , the Hindus of "Ahmedabad" were celebrating Holi, when suddenly they were rudely startled by the agonized sounds of Cows being slaughtered in a deliberate attempt to insult and denigrate the sacred festival by Muslims. Bloody Riots soon erupted when hundreds of innocent Hindus were slaughtered by the Muslims.

    In 1892, Muslims deliberately led their Moharram procession through the Hindu quarters of "Ahmedabad", in the process splattering the blood of sacrificed animals all over the shocked Hindus. As the outraged Hindus protested, the Muslims attacked women and children and forcibly rubbed the blood onto their faces while thrusting pieces of meat down their throats.

    In September of 1927, Hindus were singing Bhajans in the Temple during Janamashtmi. Suddenly Muslims began pouring out of Jama Masjid and shouting against the Hindus for interrupting the Namaz. Rocks and glass bottles were thrown at the Hindus in the temple as passerby's throats were slashed. The result was a full scale communal riot.

    In 1941 the Muslims of "Ahmedabad" set fire to the entire Maneckchowk bazaar, because a Hindu businessman was not willing to lower his prices under threat of extortion from local Muslims. Chemicals were poured all over the Bazaar in what was obviously a planned operation and then set ablaze. Many Hindu families were burnt alive and hundreds rendered homeless in addition to an incredible amount of loss of property.

  • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 2:26:06 AM

    In 1946 the Muslim league gave a call for liberation from India. Thousands of Muslims poured out into the streets in order to teach the Hindus a lesson. "Ahmedabad" burned for three days, as shops were plundered, women's throats slashed, men mutilated and Temples looted and destroyed by rampaging Muslim mobs.

    In 1953 Ganesh Chaturthi happened to coincide with Moharram. When Hindus took out processions, they were splattered with blood from animal sacrifices and told to go home or face the consequences. They were blocked from taking processions through the Muslim areas of the city. Naturally the enraged Hindus retaliated.

    In 1963 a Hindu girl was raped and badly mutilated by four Muslims in Junagarh. When Hindus demanded that the culprits be punished, the Muslims threatened them with dire consequences. Angered Hindus tried to catch the criminals to take them to the police, in response the Muslims erupted in large scale rioting. The violence spread to other cities all over Gujarat including "Ahmedabad".

  • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 2:25:56 AM

    n 1969 Muslims came out and attacked the Jagannath Temple during the Rath Yatra festival. The idol was damaged and scores of Hindus were injured by the marauding Muslim hordes. A priest was also killed and the angered Hindus retaliated.

    Year after Year the Muslim community of "Ahmedabad" pelts the participants of the Annual Rath Yatra with stones and rocks. When Hindus retaliate, engineered riots ensue immediately. The obvious motivation of the Muslims is to provoke and insult the Hindus to make them feel powerless in their own city. It is largely this repetitive, constant provocation by the Muslim community, that has made the Hindus of "Ahmedabad" bring BJP to power. Congress governments over the past decades have not only ignored the provocation by Muslim elements, but even financed many institutions which are used to shelter and breed terrorists of this type.

    On March 24, 1998 a huge cache of arms, ammunition and explosives were recovered from Gandhinagar and Dariyapur locality of Ahmedabad. The weapons were supplied by Pakistan's ISI to the Muslim gangs which lived in Changez Pol and Sadar areas of Ahmedabad. The complicity of the Muslim community with the ISI's designs was confirmed when protests by Muslims followed the arrest of Latif and Razzaq Abdul Wahab gangmembers.

  • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 2:25:46 AM

    On October 13, 1998, a plot to assassinate Union Home Minister Shri L.K. Advani and Chief Minister Keshubhai Patel, was foiled when the Muslim culprit was caught. The culprit Abu Kasem alias Ajmal related that his orders came from Pakistan's ISI and that he had been sheltered in the home of a well known Muslim businessman of "Ahemedabad" city. The weapons and explosives for the attempt were being kept in a Mosque by another ISI agent named Bablu or Usman.

    As the Kargil conflict came to an end this July, many patriotic Amdavadis wanted to express their joy and celebration at the Victory of the Indian Armed Forces. In addition the ignominious defeat of Pakistan at the hands of India and later Australia during the World Cup Cricket series,
    motivated the citizens to celebrate with even more enthusiasm. Naturally nationalistic fervor was at an all time high and parades were taken out to salute the Kargil martyrs as well as to denounce the Pakistanis. Effigies of Pakistani PM Nawaz Sharif were burnt as cries of "Pakistan Hai Hai" and "Bharat Mata ki Jai" rent the air. It was these celebrations that supposedly "offended and angered" the Muslims.

  • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 2:25:36 AM

    What could possibly be offensive about these celebrations? Any Indian who loves his/her country would add their voice to the chorus. Should the citizens of India be expected to shout slogans in support of Pakistan's Jihadis now?? Instead of joining in as any nationalistic Indian should, the Muslim community of "Ahmedabad" started throwing stones at the celebrations. Cries of hatred against "Kafir Hindustan Murdabad" and "Pakistan Zindabad" filled the air within the walled city, where Muslims predominate. It was natural for the Hindus to be outraged and infuriated at this response.

    Last week as the Hindus of 'Ahmedabad" took out their annual Rath Yatra procession, they were stoned yet again by Muslims. Acid bulbs were also thrown at the women and children in the procession in order to disrupt it. It was obvious that the Muslims wanted to retaliate for the Kargil parades. As the procession wound its way through the walled city, sporadic incidences of stabbing started happening. On July 21, a Hindu visitor Nageswara Rao was stabbed in Kalupur. He died the same day. Violence then erupted in the Muslim areas within the walled city such as Kalupur, Dariapur, Shahpur, Raipur, Karanj and Shahlam where stone throwing and arson was reported. On July 24, the Muslims claimed that they had found a boy's body with stab wounds, as a result they went on a stabbing spree, killing four Hindus in cold blood.

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 03/21/2009 4:10:34 PM

    You are indians, those who love india are not kashmiris, a kashmiri is a person who hates india and loves islam and kashmir.
    yes we love islam first and then any geographical territory.
    we love Allah and you hindus love Gods.

    • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/23/2009 2:07:48 AM

      Do you know what is allah?

  • Posted By: unca @ 03/22/2009 12:29:34 AM

    aarti,you said it right.the killing of about a hundred pandits was a great shame.but you tend to forget how many muslims are being killed on a daily basis by the savage indian security forces.about your migration from kashmir you better ask your elders and ofcourse mr.jagmohan,,,who actually was responsible for it,,,your article is just apiece of what sells best in the US and that is MUSLIM AND ISLAM BASHING,,,,,,SHAME ON YOU

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 03/20/2009 9:21:27 AM

    why u battas comment wheather it should be islamabad or antnag, u are out of kashmir and have no concern with it. you are indians and u wants indian and hindu names in kashmir. we are muslims and dont want our places to be named after hindu snakes

    • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/21/2009 6:19:46 AM

      You donot deserve a reply .According to your logic i can change the name of your family if you are out of your town...........hahaha........
      actually the problem is you love Islam but not our motherland Kashmir .
      We are coming back to reclaim our motherland ...........Probably we have already come

  • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/19/2009 8:32:14 AM

    Anantnag's origional name was Islamabad ----Who fed you with this crap .You muslims have the history of destroying history and rewriting it to suit yor needs ,Moughals had special people in their courts to do this job .You muslims have robbed hindus of their lives,their faith,their worship places , their festivals ,their history .you cannot create a rich culture but can destroy one .The way your Taliban destroyed Bhamiyan Buddhas.Your and my genes are similar, but your idealogy have made this world a hell. Forget about world ...you have made Kashmir our motherland ...a living hell..If you were doing it for a good and just cause the God would have been with you .But You are living a restless and lifeless life like a zombie .You are dying everyday .You see negative aspect of everything inspite of having doles of money taken from GOI and ISI and Hindu properties,But you cannot buy sleep .This is your redemption .

    We will come back to restore peace to Kashmir .
    ISLAM -A- BAD choice !!!

    • Posted By: Marazi @ 03/21/2009 3:41:13 AM

      you hindus destroyed hundreds years old babri masjid , what was that.
      regarding statues of budda , taliban did a good job, in islamic country you can have a budda with his nude idol and genitals open. it is bad in any culture to see a idol with genitals.
      in bombay once on the request of hindu people they destoryed some statue of hindu god who was nude with genitals open, first people had requested to put some cover on the private parts then tehy destroyed it.
      I CHALLANGE YOU MR BATTA KUMAR TO SHOW ME ONE VERSE IN THE BUDDIST SCRIPTURE WHERE IT SSAYS THAT GAUTAM BUDDAH HAD TOLD HIS FOLLOWERS TO MAKE HIS STATUE.
      EVEN IN YOUR HINDU RELIGION SHOW ME ONE VERSE IN VEDAS WHERE IDOL WORSHIP IS ALLOWED. YOU HINDUS DONT KNOW ABOUT RELIGION AND CREATE GOD OUT OF ANY THING

      • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/21/2009 4:36:41 AM

        One babri masjid infuriates you .... We have thousands of " babri masjids" done to hindu temples by moughals and your pseudo muslim kashmiris in Indai including kashmir .If you kill people it is your religion and revenge but if you get killed it is human rights voilation ......
        and who are you to challange my religion ... even your Mahmood could not do it ...so he chose to kill people who did not go by his directions.....There is a saying "Any fool will make a law and every fool will follow it "And that is what is happening to you and your religion .If you want to know about Hinduism go and study it > i will suggest get reconverted to hinduism(your great greatgrandfather"s faith) ..learn it sincerely .If you are not convinced then you can go back to isllam .

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 03/20/2009 9:19:52 AM






    J&K: 3 Army men found guilty of killing civilians in Sopore
    20 Mar 2009, 1604 hrs IST, IANS

    NEW DELHI: An Army enquiry has found one junior commissioned officer (JCO) and two soldiers guilty of having killed civilians in Baramulla district
    of Jammu and Kashmir earlier this year, official sources said here on Friday.

    Two civilians were killed in a shootout by soldiers of the counter-insurgency Rashtriya Rifles on Feb 21 at Bumai village near Sopore town.

    The killings sparked widespread violent protests in the Kashmir Valley following which the government ordered a magisterial probe into the incident.

  • Posted By: Marazi @ 03/19/2009 4:59:45 AM

    other part of the article by sumitro das===

    Twelve districts have been declared disturbed under the J&K Disturbed Areas Act. Lethal force can be used ???against any person indulging in any act which may result in serious breach of public order, acting in contravention of any law or order or the carrying of weapons???. AFSPA sanctions arrests without warrant, detention without trial for up to two years and also condones firing with impunity. At least 4500 ???militants??? remain in jail without trial. Many have been waiting for 10 years or more. Under Section 19 of the Human Rights Protection Act, the National Human Rights Commission cannot independently investigate a case involving the army; it can only seek a report and make recommendations that are not binding.

    Summary executions or ???encounters???, custodial killings, torture, disappearances and arbitrary detentions are routine. There have been 8,000 ???disappearances??? since the insurgency began, 3,744 in 2000-2002 alone. The impunity with which the Army operates in J&K is best illustrated by the fact that the massacre of peasants at Pathirabal in March 2000, following the massacre at Chittisinghpora, was followed by no action against the army. Nothing happened to the Army or the Central Reserve Police Force personnel involved in these incidents.

    All this has only added fuel to the insurgent fire and, worse, turned the people of J&K against India. True, there has been a change since the Congress-PDP government came to power in 2002 and the message went down that human rights violations would not be tolerated, and these did come down. But the legal grid of army impunity remains in place, as was seen in the killing of two innocent civilians in Sopore in February 2009. As one army officer put it, ???One can???t expect to get information out of these people over a cup of tea. It has to be shaken out of them.???

    Everyone in Srinagar knew of the notorious Papa I detention centre, now the residence of Mufti Mohammed Sayeed. There are ???crackdowns??? in which people of an entire neighbourhood are evacuated and herded together while troops ransack their homes in search of incriminating material. The Indian Army in Kashmir is an army of occupation. It is the instrument for enforcing India???s sovereignty over the state, a sovereignty that flows out of the barrel of a gun and not from the people as it normally should.

    Even the mainstream media are complicit by their near total silence on these subjects. There???s little or no coverage of human rights violations. The media also romanticise the Army, overlooking many of its faults. Unless the Army???s role is radically modified in the state, there can be no durable peace in Kashmir.


    • Posted By: Bharat kashmiri @ 03/19/2009 8:03:37 AM

      a Kashmirwatch article --it is a pakitani propaganda website

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