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  • Posted By: Winkeye15 @ 01/08/2009 12:38:39 PM

    If the United States would base it's decisions off of what the bible tells us to do, this whole world would know how to live and would finally be at peace. Real Peace. We all need the fruits of the spirit love, joy, peace, faithfulness and kindness. If the entire United States really desired a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ then we wouldnt even be discussing whether the gay's should or shouldnt be able to join the military. Enough said.

    • Posted By: willowbelly @ 01/08/2009 1:46:33 PM

      You Christians really need to get a life. In case you haven't noticed the word Christians refers to being Christlike.
      You don't even come close.

    • Posted By: SpGrimes @ 01/08/2009 1:27:47 PM

      Correct - we would experience the love of the Lord who created us ALL divinely. Too bad some folks can't see that ALL of us are here to work and live together.
      Not just the straight ones or the gay ones. All of us.
      Thanks for your message of supreme tolerance. I am happy to see a christian who embraces all of us - no matter whom we love.

    • Posted By: phxboy76 @ 01/08/2009 12:48:42 PM

      SO tired of having the bible thrown at me. Shut up already. Would the Rapture hurry up and happen already?

  • Posted By: bicurious @ 01/08/2009 1:46:01 PM

    I say leave the policy alone!!! Focus on something much more important Obama!

  • Posted By: Xerxes725 @ 01/08/2009 1:45:53 PM

    Let gays serve! They already do serve, and kicking them out once they are discovered is discriminatory. The troops say "it makes us uncomfortable!" Well guess what, the military is not supposed to be a place where you are comfortable! You think traipsing through Iraq carrying 70 lbs of equipment on your back in 110 degree temperatures is COMFORTABLE? Of course not! Comfort is not part of the deal. Besides, the military folks are always telling us how basic training is designed to break down a person's normal inhibitions against killing fellow humans and against following orders that say "go TOWARDS where the bullets are coming from" instead of "go the other way." Well if boot camp works so well to change people's preexisting reactions and inclinations, surely boot camp can also teach people to not be homophobic? Gays are Americans, and if they want to serve theri country, let them! The dumbest thing in the world is firing so many military translators of middle eastern languages because many of them are gay - THAT is so idiotic as to be almost criminal!

  • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 01/08/2009 1:44:49 PM

    Posted By: bauerp @ 01/08/2009 1:25:35 PMI "guess I'll play devil's advocate here. As a recently retired Navy Chief, I feel that I might be a bit more qualified to form an opinion than someone who bases their view of the military from what they read in the papers and see in the movies. Personally, on this subject I couldn't care less one way or the other. But for the sake of argument, here's an analogy:
    Let's pretend that you are against abortion and work at a drug company that only makes aspirin. One day, the CEO of the company decides to revamp the production line to only make the Morning After drug."


    Very GOOD! this is the discussion that we should be having. I applaud what you are saying here! While I feel that there should not be descrimination in our armed forces, and that should be changed, I feel that it is somethnig that needs to be handled in a way that presents a transition, and respects those that do have persdonal and moral objections to hmosexuality.

    Thank you for posting this:)

  • Posted By: sourceofalltruth @ 01/08/2009 11:40:46 AM

    The only problem with homosexuals is that they are homosexual. Homosexuality is a mortal sin and a crime against nature. For your information, Dan Ephron, we have never judged homosexuals. Homosexuality is a mortal sin. Look at homosexuals like San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsome. He hides his homosexuality by have a marriage of convenience with a C-list actress. What's he ashamed of? Inwardly, his own homosexuality.

    You liberal homosexual writers have been chipping away against moral values over the last 40 years. What's the result? Increased disease. Abortion rates and teen-pregnancy rates through the roof.

    If it's moral --- you're against it. If it's immoral --- you're for it: for example -- pre-marital sex, adultery, abortion, homosexuality and euthanasia.

    It's simple --- you want to destroy all morality and the fabric of society. Have you forgotten Spengler's book The Decline of the West?

    As you are a homosexual, please stop judging me --- I'm sick of your hypocrisy. You are a malfunction, an evolutionary dead end and a crime against nature and all that is descent.

    • Posted By: sajo420 @ 01/08/2009 1:43:11 PM

      Enter Your CommentLook, My husband is in the military and I almost joined myself, though I've never been in actual combat, but as far as the 'issue' goes then I think that with many of you commenting about it I agree with the fact that if they do there job and do it well, then why is it such a problem to try and deal with it? I really do agree also with the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy... And yes, there are many many consequences we must think about first before we decide on anything as of with our own personal "agendas"! Their will always be consequential matters to anything we all do no matter our race, creed, color or sexual orientation! I know several gay people and they don't 'hit on' everyone (same sex) they come across. If it...like many people dealing with a drug addiction or alcoholism cannot properly conduct themselves in doing there job, then yes, they need to be let go but if there's not a problem with them doing what is needed to get done then I say let them abide!!! I've always wanted to join the military and nonetheless in combat, but as far as being a female goes, I don't see that happening.

      I am openly interested in the same sex (for purposes as recreation) but that doesn't mean that it'll affect my work. Hey, it there's a job to be done then get it done and that shouldn't get distracted by personal matters! I feel that I don't obey 'authority' too well so that there tells me that the military isn't the job for me but I have always, since i was a child, believed that that is what I really wanted to do! I figured that that would be a good purpose for me...to do things that an ordinary person could not do....is to work for and to change things for the greater good but since the dawn of time the 'greater good' is what we have been aloud from our father is to decide and to choose for ourselves what we believe in, but also, that does not mean that we should believe that everything is right in our own choosing just because we think it should be! I am pretty open to most things but there are 'rules' so that we don't cause too many consequences with our actions! If you can't handle being honest then there is no point in being where you're at now! Don't put pressure on yourselves or others around you if you can't learn to hold back certain feelings. If I were to be under command of someone who is of some orientation of any kind, then I feel that I am the one to leave if I can't deal with my own cynicism towards them! Like I said, either way, they are authority and it is hard for me to 'follow' directives.

      I guess what I'm really trying to say is that I am my own person and I don't feel that it is really my place to judge what other people fee

    • Posted By: sajo420 @ 01/08/2009 1:39:03 PM

      Enter Your CommentLook, My husband is in the military and I almost joined myself, though I've never been in actual combat, but as far as the 'issue' goes then I think that with many of you commenting about it I agree with the fact that if they do there job and do it well, then why is it such a problem to try and deal with it? I really do agree also with the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy... And yes, there are many many consequences we must think about first before we decide on anything as of with our own personal "agendas"! Their will always be consequential matters to anything we all do no matter our race, creed, color or sexual orientation! I know several gay people and they don't 'hit on' everyone (same sex) they come across. If it...like many people dealing with a drug addiction or alcoholism cannot properly conduct themselves in doing there job, then yes, they need to be let go but if there's not a problem with them doing what is needed to get done then I say let them abide!!! I've always wanted to join the military and nonetheless in combat, but as far as being a female goes, I don't see that happening.

      I am openly interested in the same sex (for purposes as recreation) but that doesn't mean that it'll affect my work. Hey, it there's a job to be done then get it done and that shouldn't get distracted by personal matters! I feel that I don't obey 'authority' too well so that there tells me that the military isn't the job for me but I have always, since i was a child, believed that that is what I really wanted to do! I figured that that would be a good purpose for me...to do things that an ordinary person could not do....is to work for and to change things for the greater good but since the dawn of time the 'greater good' is what we have been aloud from our father is to decide and to choose for ourselves what we believe in, but also, that does not mean that we should believe that everything is right in our own choosing just because we think it should be! I am pretty open to most things but there are 'rules' so that we don't cause too many consequences with our actions! If you can't handle being honest then there is no point in being where you're at now! Don't put pressure on yourselves or others around you if you can't learn to hold back certain feelings. If I were to be under command of someone who is of some orientation of any kind, then I feel that I am the one to leave if I can't deal with my own cynicism towards them! Like I said, either way, they are authority and it is hard for me to 'follow' directives.

      I guess what I'm really trying to say is that I am my own person and I don't feel that it is really my place to judge what other people fee

    • Posted By: Momwoman @ 01/08/2009 11:57:55 AM

      Sorry, I don't quite understand. Your religion says it's immoral. Do we have freedon of religion in this country or not? Does everyone in the US have to believe what you do? Must we celebrate the exact same holidays? Must I attend your church, and pay to do so?
      Or is this a free country? Please explain.

    • Posted By: jjdcsummer @ 01/08/2009 11:45:45 AM

      You don't have any idea what you are talking about. Abortion rates, as well as teen pregnancy rates, have decreased in frequency over the last twenty years. And even if they had not, it is difficult to see why gay people should be blamed for activities that by your definition are strictly heterosexual activities -- procreation, and terminating pregnancies that resulted from procreation. Why are you blaming gay people for things that you see as faults when those activities are being conducted, not by gay people, but by HETEROSEXUALS?

    • Posted By: gunnerdog812 @ 01/08/2009 11:45:25 AM

      right on

    • Posted By: wanderson9697 @ 01/08/2009 11:44:26 AM

      Someone should slap you.

  • Posted By: slomojo_04 @ 01/08/2009 12:33:23 PM

    You are talking about a very "straight", macho, male environment. Just because this could be done, doesn't make it wise. The typical young male who joins the service does not mix well with the gay crowd. It may not be right, but it is what it is.

    Jay,
    U.S. Marines 1990-95

    • Posted By: MarcyAdams @ 01/08/2009 1:42:09 PM

      SemperFi Marine, yes you're right most young men can't because of the fact the majority of young men were raised up to be men. Men that are told not cry and to suck it up and keep going.

  • Posted By: Keep'in my morales @ 01/08/2009 12:28:32 PM

    I agree whole heartedly with NH Rayes! My son is a Marine and I can honestly say that that he has had good morales and pride for his country and fellow man instilled in him by the Military. I hope and pray this will not happen.

    As a mother, I have told my kids no matter what they learn in school or anywhere else for that matter,it is not OK to be Gay.

    I guess the Gay Activist have their hands in Obama's wallet. Stop forcing this issue on us!!!! GAY IS GROSS!

    • Posted By: Lady Marion @ 01/08/2009 1:41:49 PM

      Your sick!!

    • Posted By: Elizabian @ 01/08/2009 12:37:37 PM

      god willing i hope one of your children become gay, if they are not already. so you can be a great "mom" and what? disown them?! open your mind and i BET that one of them have even experimented. have a BLESSED day! :)

    • Posted By: Lady Marion @ 01/08/2009 12:35:02 PM

      Please let me know what state you are from so I can avoid it????

      What are you the GRAND SCHEME OF DESIGN with your GOD???

  • Posted By: Godfollower @ 01/08/2009 12:40:46 PM

    GOD TALKED ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY ALL OVER THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT

    1 Corinthians 6:9 (Whole Chapter)
    Or do you not know that the unrighteous [Or wrongdoers] will NOT inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: [1 Corinthians 15:50; Gal 5:21; Eph 5:5; 1 Tim 1:9; Heb 12:14; 13:4; Rev 21:8; 22:15] neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, [The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts]


    1 Timothy 1:10 (Whole Chapter)
    the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, [That is, those who take someone captive in order to sell him into slavery] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to [2 Tim 4:3; 1 Timothy 6:3; 2 Tim 1:13; Titus 1:13; 2:2] sound [Or healthy] doctrine,



    ANYBODY WHO PARTAKES OF HOMOSEXUALITY OR BELIEVES IN IT THEY WILL BE JUDGE BY GOD - FOR NOT OBEYING HIS WORD.......CASE CLOSED.....................

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  • Posted By: KEGGER @ 01/08/2009 1:18:09 PM

    Why is there a need to make your sexual preference public?Keep your preferences to yoursef and just do your job.Those wanting to be known as openly gay is a cry for attention and the oppertunity to make a spectical by playing the discrimination card.I don't want a gay man in the shower with me any more than women want me in theirs.There is no requirment to disclose sexual preference for most civilian jobs why makeit for the military.I welcome all to the military,just keep your mouth shut.

    • Posted By: SpGrimes @ 01/08/2009 1:39:11 PM

      Right don't mention the "little woman" or your date tonight or the baby you're having. Just shut the f+++ up and serve.
      Duh - dude - people need to talk about their lives and Don't Ask Don't Tell abridges and criminalizes that basic necessity.

  • Posted By: not perfect but.. @ 01/08/2009 11:10:54 AM

    Homosexuality is a moral sin and a perversion. I don't care what "scientific evidence" gay scientists may have put out there. When did it become morally acceptable for two men (or women) to have sex, force thier beliefs on society, and call themselves minorities, just to get bleeding heart liberals to feel sorry for them and throw our money at them? DON NOT FURTHER LEGITIMIZE THIS MORAL PERVERSION THAT IS SLOWLY LEADING TO THE DECAY OF OUR COUNTRY!

    • Posted By: sharkyluvsmj @ 01/08/2009 1:39:04 PM

      WOW you must really have alot of skeletons in your relgious closet

    • Posted By: hope4change @ 01/08/2009 11:55:28 AM

      It's your kind of thinking that is leading to the decay of this country. It is you that is forcing your fear into the minds of others and forcing this country to pass such laws as Amend #8 in California. . which basically is discrimination and changing our constitution to read that not everyone is created equal, only those WE (who fear) decide is equal. Do you fear that those "soft" feelings you sometimes have makes you a homosexual?? Is it your own insecurity that is speaking out? Is that why you can't let it go and just let everyone be who they were born to be. . straight or gay? Fear of being different is what is causing this great county to lose its way, but with this last election, hopefully that fear will die as this country picks itself up, dusts off the extreme right and moves on. Learn to accept people no matter their sexual preference. Military doesn't need "Macho" It needs men and woman who love their country and are willing to fight for it.

    • Posted By: hope4change @ 01/08/2009 11:55:05 AM

      It's your kind of thinking that is leading to the decay of this country. It is you that is forcing your fear into the minds of others and forcing this country to pass such laws as Amend #8 in California. . which basically is discrimination and changing our constitution to read that not everyone is created equal, only those WE (who fear) decide is equal. Do you fear that those "soft" feelings you sometimes have makes you a homosexual?? Is it your own insecurity that is speaking out? Is that why you can't let it go and just let everyone be who they were born to be. . straight or gay? Fear of being different is what is causing this great county to lose its way, but with this last election, hopefully that fear will die as this country picks itself up, dusts off the extreme right and moves on. Learn to accept people no matter their sexual preference. Military doesn't need "Macho" It needs men and woman who love their country and are willing to fight for it.

    • Posted By: sharkyluvsmj @ 01/08/2009 11:54:56 AM

      WOW you must really have alot of skeletons in your relgious closet

    • Posted By: sharkyluvsmj @ 01/08/2009 11:54:30 AM

      WOW you must really have alot of skeletons in your relgious closet

    • Posted By: hope4change @ 01/08/2009 11:49:53 AM

      It's your kind of thinking that is leading to the decay of this country. It is you that is forcing your fear into the minds of others and forcing this country to pass such laws as Amend #8 in California. . which basically is discrimination and changing our constitution to read that not everyone is created equal, only those we who fear decide is equal. Do you fear that those "soft" feelings you sometimes have makes you a homosexual?? Is that why you can't let it go and just let everyone be who they were born to be. . straight or gay? Fear of being different is what is causing this great county to lose its way, but with this last election, hopefully that fear will die as this country picks itself up, dusts off the extreme right and moves on.

  • Posted By: kenang @ 01/08/2009 1:38:51 PM

    If you've been in the military, belonged to a gym, played sports in high school, etc. You've showered with a gay man and lived to tell about it. Chances are you are so ugly, fat, and otherwise unattractive that no self-respecting homosexual wants anything to do with you. Sorry, get over yourself.

  • Posted By: v0714x @ 01/08/2009 1:38:44 PM

    Gay people are still people, but that is NOT the issue. As of now, gays ARE allowed to serve in the military; however, they are not allowed to be open about it. Why? Because unlike both you and I who do not have a problem with gay people, many men and women in the services either hate or dislike gay men and women. This causes conflict. Many of those men and women that do not like gay people WILL NOT work beside one. The questions then become simple: How many men and women will be lost from the services if gay men and women can be open about their sexuality? Would gay people be segregated in barracks because of straight people???s discomfort around them? What is positive about gays being open? I suggest that there are none. Gay men and women can still enlist in any service and I am glad about that, but most people are uncomfortable rooming with a gay person. Even though it is not wrong to be gay, being open about it in certain scenarios can cause conflict and can put our military at risk. Anyways, please get your facts straight before you ramble on like an ignorant jackass. Know the facts and form an argument.

  • Posted By: jjones1983 @ 01/08/2009 12:00:48 PM

    Point blank the policy should stand, technically gays can be in the military no problem. If you look at it, it's a don't ask don't tell on sexual oreintation period, whether you are gay or staight. That is not a qualification for military enlistment, nobody says you need to be straight to join, we just don't want to know what you prefer to do as far as your sexual orientation. Is removing the policy going to do us any good as a whole? I don't think so, even if they added a box to check for sexual orientation that will not standards on personal appearance and personal conduct, to include dresscode for civilian attire and so fortha and so on. If you really want to serve your country then do so. People thin that "opening" up makes things better, after this next it will be pedophiles, other kinds of fetishes. You join the military to serve your country not to discuss what your sexual preference is gay, or straight. Then also, it will still not open the door to gays openly discussing their sexuality at any military function because that will go against the sexual harrasment laws that have been established already. You are not looking at just one law you are looking at several, just leave it alone and serve because you feel it in your heart...or pockets, whatever...

    • Posted By: dmcleod01 @ 01/08/2009 12:02:59 PM

      what an idioot. what does pedophelia have to do with being gay?

      • Posted By: jjones1983 @ 01/08/2009 12:24:41 PM

        Pedophilia is not the "norm" not the "mainstream" but people like it and enjoy immersing themselves in that "world." If you don't get the connection or see that this is a slippery slope then you are not thinking the issue through enough.

        • Posted By: sickofredbs @ 01/08/2009 1:03:02 PM

          95% of pedophiliacs are heterosexual men which gives pretty good odds that a number of them are also military. That is not the topic of this article, gays serviing their country openly is the topic. The only thing slippery here is your mind.

          • Posted By: jjones1983 @ 01/08/2009 1:38:20 PM

            Hey, good numbers. Where did you get them from? Still got a 5% chance there of that being a possibility, right?? I don't know, like I said would you accept someone with that "preference" openly and with no problem or would you rather not know? Still didn't answer that question for me. And just get it right, no need for name calling, I'm just trying to stimulate a healthy debate. If you don't mind me asking, are you gay? Honestly, I'm just trying to get people to think what they are really getting into. By the way, have you ever served or do you plan on serving if this rule gets changed? Just wondering, and by no means am I trying to be a smart @## or anything, so it will be appreciated if you keep disrespecful comments to yourself.

      • Posted By: jjones1983 @ 01/08/2009 12:50:41 PM

        Also, I'm just wondering. I've never ever ever heard of this either, it's some wild imagination that I have that made me think of this, but wouldn't it be weird if some grown man, lets say in his 30's or 40's actually only liked to look at and got some kind of sexual pleasure out of little boys. WOW, imagine that, he wouldn't only be a pediophile but he would be gay too!!!! Never heard of it before, I just dreamt that one up. Wouldn't you like him to join and be open about his "sexual orientaion" and his preference for little boys??? See, where I'm going now??

    • Posted By: sickofredbs @ 01/08/2009 12:04:43 PM

      I agree, leave the policy alone. Any man or woman who admits their sexual orientation should be kicked out. Oops, I guess we wouldn't have a military at all then. Heterosexuals should not get special treatment. If a gay soldier can't mention his/her lover, a straight one shouldn't be able to mention his/hers. Simple, problem solved.

      • Posted By: jjones1983 @ 01/08/2009 12:36:19 PM

        Again, we might have people who have never been in the military so let me inform you that not only do we not ask what your sexual orientation we don't really care. Plus, the data is misconstrued, people will say they are gay just to get out of the military whether they are gay or not. I've seen cases where guys do gay porno in their military uniform and think it is acceptable!! Come on!! Plus I've known gay people in the military and they've served with no problem. And, if you've never had a real job sexual harrasment rules will come into play, whether it's a guy talking about how he banged some chick or a dude talking about how he got banged, either way it's offensive and not acceptable while in uniform or at any military function, if you've never been in you wouldn't know that 80-95% of what you do is military/job driven so really you don't have time to talk or "be open" about such nonsense, gay or straight.

        P.S. If you reply I would like to know wheter you have been in or have any interest to join the military, and whether you think this will actually make our Armed Forces more effective and deadly. Frankly, I think the whole notion is rather selfish and not completely thought out by those who seek out the change in this law...

  • Posted By: Vicp @ 01/08/2009 1:37:26 PM

    After being in the Army for three years I found that what others perceive as a damnation may be anothers salvation. We have only ourselves to answer for in the end. I believe that the military is only as strong as those serving for the cause of the United States. I watched several people escorted off the post with such a hatred that it scared me. Some that were left with me were weak individuals without a clue on how to defend our cause. Restructuring comes within not on the outside looking in. I am proud to be an American.

  • Posted By: Keep'in my morales @ 01/08/2009 12:44:18 PM

    I HAVE A SON IN THE MILITARY WHO HAS HAD GREAT MORALS AND PRIDE INSTILLED IN H IM BY THE MILITARY.

    I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS GARBAGE! STOP FORCING THE GAY ISSUE ON US!

    IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IS SAID MOST PEOPLE, WITH GOOD MORALS, WILL NEVER SUCCUMB TO THIS. I HAVE TOLD MY CHILDREN THAT NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE TOUGHT IN SCHOOL OR ANYWHERE ELSE IT IS NOT OKAY TO BE GAY! THINK ABOUT IT . . . IT'S GROSS!!!!! DISCUSTING!!! MORE THAN ANYTHING THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE PRAYED FOR.

    • Posted By: willowbelly @ 01/08/2009 1:37:08 PM

      Everyone is free to believe and live according to those beliefs. What you need to do, however is stop trying to force your way of life on anyone else and stop preaching hatred and bigotry.

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 01/08/2009 12:50:32 PM

      Ah, yes. So you are raising your children to be ignorant bigots, just like yourself.

      How nice.

    • Posted By: rushchairman @ 01/08/2009 12:49:43 PM

      Okay, I must comment that a lady who knocks down schools has misspelled both taught and disgusting. Let the irony commence.

  • Posted By: Sandman724 @ 01/08/2009 1:35:42 PM

    What's wrong with the current system? Who cares? Why is this an issue now? Why are we wasting resources on this debate that I am paying Military "leaders" to get togeather, drink coffee and talk about? I would rather pay them to hunt down terrorists, not to discuss if one should openly admit if they are Gay... When it comes to this specific topic, Ignorance is bliss, especially on the battlefield or in boot. I am glad in this economic time, our tax dollars are being wasted on the man-hours and resources like paper, pens, gas for the leader's government vehicles to get to and from the meetings. Sometimes Military Intellegence sounds like an oxymoron... trust me, I experience it daily from some of our so called military "leaders."

  • Posted By: sunny84 @ 01/08/2009 1:35:40 PM

    Oh, one more thing they want to participate in everything normal! Get out of here already.......

  • Posted By: Edgewater Raggie @ 01/08/2009 1:35:40 PM

    In support of our troops, we call the sons and daughters of America who serve in the U.S. military "..brave soldiers and heroes". They volunteer to put themselves through some of the toughest training the mind and body can take. So it's kind of difficult to grasp the notion that a soldier dealing with multiple deployments, transfers between 2 wars and in places of constant battle, would allow him or herself to become distracted from the life & death situations. A well-trained U.S. military officer who becomes pre-occupied with fear & hate towards their fellow troops to the point where a guard is lowered and that troop & unit is put in harms way is a contradiction to said training. It'd be unsettling to think that an openly homosexual soldier would be to blame if such a incident occurred. If so, then all who support the opposition of 'gays in the military' could use the same "it's a distraction" argument to oppose women in the military due to the rise of heterosexual rape in the armed forces.

  • Posted By: Squad Leader @ 01/08/2009 1:35:26 PM

    If the gays are going to be able to shower and bunk with other gays in the "New" U.S. Military, then I want to shower and bunk with women. What people do behind closed doors is none of anyone else's business. My male Commanding Officer should be able to have liasons with subordinant enlisted females and offer special consideration to them for their participation. (Promotions, exemption from undesirable duties, transfer out of the unit before going into combat, etc.) Pregnant female soldiers should not be exempt from combat merely because they are pregnant because male soldiers don't have that same benefit. Let's be fair in this "New" U.S. Military. One third of my female troops in Germany were pregnant at any one time. Not a one of my male troops were pregnant. Can't say a word since I'm rather sure that happened behind closed doors. Great impact on operational efficiencies, though !

    Israeli Military statistics are offen quoted in these posts. Lets operate our military like the Israelis. I have no problem with that. Israel has a draft and EVERYONE does their time. They believe that their people should have an investment in their natiom, and truly know their rights and benefits. No exemptions or exceptions.

    The United States on the other hand is more like the George Orwell novel, "Animal Farm". All U.S. Citizens are equal, just some Citizens are more equal than others ! The U. S. Federal government believes in the "Tyranny of the majority by the minority" when it bends and accepts flagrant abuses of our freedoms by extremists from all extremes.

    What I've tried to show is that the Military, any military, is not fair. It is not to be used as a social experiment. Every regulation has a purpose and I don't get to argue about its fairness. When I receive an order, I have only one choice, to obey it. Anything else is unacceptable and destroys the unity of the task at hand, possibly resulting in loss of life and freedom. Today, when I am given a mission for me and my troops I worry about whether I or my troops may kill the wrong person in a firefight and be brought to trial by my own government or a foreign government. My Commanding Officer may or may not come to my aid if that were to happen. We no longer fight wars, we fight politics and politicians. We are almost always guaranteed to lose that fight.

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