Don’t Ask Too Fast

GOD TALKED ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY ALL OVER THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT

1 Corinthians 6:9 (Whole Chapter)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous [Or wrongdoers] will NOT inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: [1 Corinthians 15:50; Gal 5:21; Eph 5:5; 1 Tim 1:9; Heb 12:14; 13:4; Rev 21:8; 22:15] neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, [The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts]


1 Timothy 1:10 (Whole Chapter)
the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, [That is, those who take someone captive in order to sell him into slavery] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to [2 Tim 4:3; 1 Timothy 6:3; 2 Tim 1:13; Titus 1:13; 2:2] sound [Or healthy] doctrine,



ANYBODY WHO PARTAKES OF HOMOSEXUALITY OR BELIEVES IN IT THEY WILL BE JUDGE BY GOD - FOR NOT OBEYING HIS WORD.......CASE CLOSED.....................

The privacy of individuals is sacred to all sexualities, so as hsitory will prove, being gay has nothing to do with being a good or bad soldier. Throughout history remartkable battles have been fought with homosexuals fighting side by side with heterosexuals. This gay thing is a matter of biology and genes RELIGION has nothing to do with it! The comments in this are revealing the problems reliogion does not fix in we human beings, fear of the unknown. May Giod help us all!

The only reason gays can't be open about who we are (in or out of the military) is the incredibly backward-thinking attitudes of some people. The military is basically a job, just like any other - unless and until sex is part of that job, there's no reason for anyone to care about such things. Honestly, the ONLY part of my life that's different than anyone else's is the person with whom I choose to be intimate. I go to work, I pay taxes, I have a dog, I buy groceries... why should anyone care - much less think - about my sex life?

And "don't ask don't tell" doesn't cover it. Look at corporate America. The have, for decades, realized that if they require (or encourage) their employees to have to hide a significant part of who they are, they also lose a huge portion of that person's productivity, creativity and potential.

Let people be who they are, love whom they choose and contribute as they see fit, whether in the private sector or in the military.

The bible is not just a book...its powerful,real and true and it's what we ALL..whether your gay or straight...we ALL will be judged by God according to the bible one day. The bible says..EVERY knee will bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

I love when people say things like "just keep that crap to yourself" or "hey, I'm okay if you are gay, but don't flaunt it. Whatever you want to do behind closed doors is your business." That is the heterosexual equivalent to white people saying "oh, don't worry it's cool if I say something racist, I have a black friend." I am heterosexual and I am always appalled by the level of hypocrisy when it comes to heterosexuals versus homosexuals. When is the last time someone told a heterosexual to "keep that crap to themselves"? How often are we bombarded with heterosexual shows of public affection or some heterosexual going on and on about their love life or loved ones? If you are comfortable with expressing your sexuality in public then so should everyone else. If you are uncomfortable with expressing your sexuality then that is a personal issue you should work out.

Now to the question at hand. Gays and lesbians should be able to join the military openly without fear of retribution. These brave men and women can fight and die for our country as well as any heterosexual. For those that elect to stay home and complain about gays in the military then you should be quite and take their place in the ranks. For those in the military that do not want to stand beside a gay man as he ensures your safety then I ask you why exactly you are so fearful. If you are comfortable with your own sexuality then there should be no concern that he is attracted to you or you to him. If you are under the impression that because he or she is gay that when the fighting begins they will run away I ask you why does sexuality have any impact on bravery? Further, have you thought about what it must be like to be gay in this country? You cannot legally marry, you are shunned by religious leaders, family members, communities and politicians, people protest against you, hate crimes are committed against you, and for the majority of your life you feel it necessary to hide your own sexuality. It appears evident that true bravery lies within the individual that could suffer through all of that and still muster the courage to acknowledge that they are gay.

i think thats kinda stupid, im gay fighting for our country, in iraq right now. im 20 from california, and i enlisted 2 years ago, knowing that im gay. in my unit we have like 3 gay guys openly out. but what about the lesbians? theres tons of them in the army. i mean we are all human. it shouldnt matter what sexuality you are, if you like the same sex then so be it. like in my unit if you cant be in a relationship with another soldier in the unit so there shouldnt be any reason that gays arent allowed in the army. i mean even if they dont let gays in the army, we are still going to join and then come out sooner or later, and you have a signed contract. if you have a problem with it hit me up at ignacio.a.rivera@hotmail.com

Having never served in the military, I am not eminently qualified to comment on 24/7 contact with people in a barracks - however, I work as an EMT and one of the Nurses I work with is openly gay. I have spent many hours in the back of an ambulance and in Emergency Room situations with this man, and have associated with him on a social basis many times. He has never given me one reason to feel uncomfortable.
The problem we are addressining here in this dicussion is not gay/straight; not sexual; not ability to serve - it is bigotry, pure and simple. Whether taught us by our parents or by misguided teachers or clerics, bigotry is the hardest life-lesson we have to un-learn.
I grew up with a bigot-father, who was positive that his own place in life - "white, heterosexual male" placed him above any of God's other creations. I am now in my mid-fifties and am proud to say that I have called many people 'friend' that would have been unacceptable to my father - and that they consider me as a friend also.

I don't understand all this fear. Guys, relax, we can control ourselves.

Homosexuality is deviant behavior and it is a choice. Gays can CHOOSE to engage in their deviant form of sex or not.
They should definitely not be given special consideration as a minority based on their sexual partners and the US Government should not condone or endorse the behavior of gays any more than they would endorse sex with animals. I've been in situations where gay men have tried to persuade me to engage in sex with them, and it is very uncomfortable. You cannot honestly contend that if a heterosexual man were in combat/military situations with a female, he wouldn't try to convince her to have sex. It happens frequently in the military. Why would it be any different for gays? Don't try to claim that gays are interested in monogamous, committed relationships. Their whole identity is wrapped up in the fact that they engage in homosexual sex.

stuolive, you said it perfect. thank you for speaking that. ignorant men who sit there and say, no i dont wanna shower next to a gay guy, well those are the guys who are not secure with thier own sexuality and who are probly the ugly guys in the group. gay or straight, it doesnt affect how you pull a damn trigger. get over yourselves, seperate church and state in this damn country and as far as the borders go, you know what, mexican are very hard working people who the most of them try to make a honest day's pay. they do work you yourself would probly never do. would you get down and clean the toilets or make the beds that you and others sleep in at the hotels. would you janitor the restrooms, no majority would not. they are appreciative and we need to be too. we are not the number one country and if we got that out of our ignorant heads that we should be, maybe we could stand back and see how rediculous we look at what we are doing. the battles we choose to fight in this country, geese we have priorities so mixed up. we are woried about celebs drinking and gay fighting to protect US rather than money into our school system to help raise and educate our future leaders. lets step back and think if this is REALLY something that needs this much attention. this country is in *** and every other country in the worls looks down on us, we need to unite as a nation and join hands to build us back up. and to do that we can select hands that we unite, remember, gays have hands too. UNITED WE STAND , bullshit, prove it.

slamdunkt:
I don't believe ANY of the men and women who are bisexual or gay/lesbian have made the CHOICE to be what they are. It is like a race issue. Can you choose to be white or black? NO, 'emphatically no!' and for you to decide already what your kids can and cannot do is ridiculous. Let them live their lives and experience life to the fullest for them and not for you. How would you feel if ironically one of your kids came out to you someday? Also, in regards to making it other people's business. That is not what anyone is trying to do here, they are just trying to give every American the same opportunities...Do you disagree with that? If so, then you probably shouldn;t be living in a free society where people do have the RIGHT (not the choice) to be who they are! It is sad that we have to handle this with public figures and the government, but that is what it takes for most anything these days, so in no way are they attempting to make this your business (you do have the right to not read the article or follow up on it or even have an ounze of knowledge regarding gays in general) And, I find it hard to believe that you have read thoroughly what proposition 8 fully entails, I think you should read it, it could effect one of your kids someday. Some last questions..

Do you enjoy your rights with your spouse?
Do you love your spouse?
How would you feel if marriage rights in general were questioned?
These are things gays everywhere in the world deal with and it's people like you who back-peddal progression. Thank God for my generation and soon enough these past nay sayers will be out of power!!!

By the way this is a 19 year old gay guy who will be joining the military

Why should we say "no" to any able bodied person that wants to serve our country? Any one that has a problem with the sexuality of an individual is ignorant. This outlook needs to be changed ,this is just the "new racisim". What next....gay schools....gay only drinking fountains? The fact is we are all humans....we can change what we think... NOT what we are and feel.

People work with gay/lesbians in the regular work place everyday... and know that they are gay. Some don't care...some do... but you know and you deal with it to the best of ones own emotional ability. You still do your job and get your pay check from a gay boss. The military is just like any other job people, different is those with guns and hate towards someone, can kill someone by accident. In this day and age in American... Str8 men aren't ready for that. Sad but true.

This is nuts. While in the military, I don't know how many times I heard on the weekends "Let's go get laid." To the people quoting the Bible and telling how immoral gays are, Premarrital and extra-marrital sex is just as much a sin as homosexuallity. 99% of our military is condemned to hell for that reason. Get real America.

GOD TALKED ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY ALL OVER THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT

1 Corinthians 6:9 (Whole Chapter)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous [Or wrongdoers] will NOT inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: [1 Corinthians 15:50; Gal 5:21; Eph 5:5; 1 Tim 1:9; Heb 12:14; 13:4; Rev 21:8; 22:15] neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, [The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts]


1 Timothy 1:10 (Whole Chapter)
the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, [That is, those who take someone captive in order to sell him into slavery] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to [2 Tim 4:3; 1 Timothy 6:3; 2 Tim 1:13; Titus 1:13; 2:2] sound [Or healthy] doctrine,



ANYBODY WHO PARTAKES OF HOMOSEXUALITY OR BELIEVES IN IT THEY WILL BE JUDGE BY GOD - FOR NOT OBEYING HIS WORD.......CASE CLOSED.....................

I don't know if this has been addressed in the posts, but the reason "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is trying to be repelled isn't so that gay military people can announce "I'm here and I'm queer", but so they can't be thrown out of the military if it is found out that they are gay. Most gay people do NOT go around announcing their sexuality!