Don’t Ask Too Fast

Why not allow gays in the military: my older brother was gay, and if alive today, Mark is more of a man than some of these young "punk" kids who don't know what responsibility is except to RUN at the first sign of trouble! In his short life, my brother loved this country and would have been proud to serve it; the circumstances never presented the opportunity for him to act.

Diane McCandless
Whitmore Lake, MI 48189

anyone who says anti-gays are hipocrits is an idiot because that has nothing to do with the topic. the point is should gays be allowed to enlist and be OPEN about their sexual preference or should they not. they already have a right to enlist as long as their sexual preferences remain unknown. as many people have said, it is not fair to the straight soldier, and they are the ones being directly affected by the change, not any of us at home. you can't say gays have the right to shower next to a staight man when you're not the one standing naked a few feet away. let them serve and fight for our county, but what happens in their bed is no one elses business and it should stay that way.

THe Military - all branches - is a 'top down' organization. If the rule comes down to allow GLBT persons to serve openly - then that i the law.
Problems arise when backward, vigilantism occurs and ignorant troops turn on their brothers-in-arms. Verbal abuse, beatings or murder can and does happen. That mania is a bigger problem than whether GLBT troops serve openly. No matter the next round of decisions about the civil rights of all Americans - we need to address the violence that arises when narrow-minded individuals express their lifestyle choices by using fists and bats against innocent people.

GOD TALKED ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY ALL OVER THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT

1 Corinthians 6:9 (Whole Chapter)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous [Or wrongdoers] will NOT inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: [1 Corinthians 15:50; Gal 5:21; Eph 5:5; 1 Tim 1:9; Heb 12:14; 13:4; Rev 21:8; 22:15] neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, [The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts]


1 Timothy 1:10 (Whole Chapter)
the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, [That is, those who take someone captive in order to sell him into slavery] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to [2 Tim 4:3; 1 Timothy 6:3; 2 Tim 1:13; Titus 1:13; 2:2] sound [Or healthy] doctrine,



ANYBODY WHO PARTAKES OF HOMOSEXUALITY OR BELIEVES IN IT THEY WILL BE JUDGE BY GOD - FOR NOT OBEYING HIS WORD.......CASE CLOSED.....................

You know what that is fine. I am a gay man and would serve if I wasn't openly hated in the military. This means your sending all your STRAIGHT boys off to war and leaving the gay ones here to run the country. Explain to me again your logic. If you hate us so much, war seems like a logical choice for natural selection. Just saying you straight people really don't think things through. And by the way all of us gay people that have suffered the slings and arrows of your hate have a lot of pent up rage and those that would sign up for the military would be good fighters, we have done it all of our lives.

(DISCLAIMER: I love ALL people: gay, straight, BI, trans, butch, queeny, whatever...)



I Promise YOU: it's not like every big ole' nelly-queen is going to come RACING to a recruiter's office in their Audi A-4 wearing $350 jeans wanting to join the Military simply because "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" has been abolished. Most of these types of Gays are so LEFT that the ABSOLUTE last thing they'd EVER do is join a Government-controlled organization geared toward the "common" and the "team" instead of the individual!



Those gay men and women currently (and proudly) serving "in the closet" truly LOVE their Country AND are usually more biologically, mentally, and emotionally PERFECT for a career in the Military than ANY of their "straight" counterparts.



I'm YET to meet a GAY MAN OR WOMAN in UNIFORM that wasn't either "better prepared" or better performing than everyone else in their UNIT! -You NEVER know who is serving next to you...and that's the point, straight or GAY: It's about service and National Pride, NOT about what type of bar you frequent when you're NOT on a ship, plane OR in Iraq.



I myself, having just completed 8 Years of Honorable Active Duty service as a gay man can only offer this to ANYONE who took the time to read this: It was an AWESOME way to spend my 20's, get my degree paid for, and see the world...EVEN WITH spending 2 years of my time in Iraq and Afghanistan! I'd highly recommend the military to ANYONE who is searching for something MORE out of life, something bigger than themselves. I enjoyed and truly miss every second of it!



I left the military after completing my second enlistment and my Bachelor's Degree. Even though I had my commander, supervisors, subordinates, and friends questioning WHY I'd ever leave the military, I simply had to become a civilian. -Only to see if it TRULY was worth sacrificing a wonderful career, great friends, opportunities and values I CHERISHED just so I didn't have to live in fear of being "caught" one day.



It SUCKS.

I personally think that there's nothing wrong with anyone who wants to serve their country being barred from doing so simply because of their personal preferences; if someone wants to and has the ability to fight for their country, they should be allowed to. Why should the fact that someone who is in the militairy has a partner who is the same gender they are; personally, I don't think that it should matter. I mean, these young men and women will be fighting for their country, why should the fact that some are attracted to people of the same gender matter? Besides, there's no telling how many homosexuals have fought and died for their country in the past, because in the past this was NOT an issue! If someone wants to join and fight for their country, then let them, their personal preferences should not be an issue.

I certainly agree. If you believe in your self and your sexual (or other) orientations rights you should be willing to make the same sacrifices that all Americans are asked to make. I strongly believe that if you are gay ,straight or both you have an obligation to defend this country. Furthermore; if you don't have a JOB and are collecting welfare your ass should be doing something to better this country instead of bitching about the country.

Spending 24 years in the Military, I have seen gays. It seems the Military will put up with women being more open than men. Personally, The don't ask policy works. Why mess with it. If they do mess with the Don't ask policy and say gays can be open. It will cause drastic disruption for the Commands to deal with. As a straight individual I have rights just as gays say they have and want. I am not allowed to shower in a Female area or sleep in the same room as a Female. Why would a gay person think they should be allowed and that rule does not apply to them. The military still has open shower and birthings in groups and on ships large number of the same sex sleep. If the Government want gays to be open. Then they need to make sure that the rights of others is not being stepped on and there morale rights are not being stepped on.
As a senior member it is hard enough to keep the men and women from harrasing, sexual comments, and relationships that take the focus of the mission away from what the goal is. The don't ask policy works why mess with it. The Military is much larger than the average person knows apparently. It is not all fox holes and dogging bullits. Each branch has it's own challenges that are diffrent than the other.

Historically, the gays that have served have been masculine men and women. The fear is not so much about gays--as long as they don't "act" gay. And by "act," I don't mean their private, sexual acts. I mean the fear is that there will be some gay guy with twitch in his walk and a lisp in his speech. Do you really think more effeminant gays are going to join the military? Really? As for lesbians, no one really cares if some butchy chick is in the military. My point: as long as the performance of traditional masculinity (whether performed by men or women) is being upheld this is a non-issue. The prejudice that exists is really about more femmiinine men. Guess what America: gender is fluid. I am a female who wears pants--at one point that was seen as cross-dressing. We will progress further with our concept of gender politics and identity, but only when oppressed people get more rights. That is, traditionally, how one judges Freedom--by the rights given to its miniority citizens.

jrb2000us-
have you ever served in the U. S. Military? Listen to what you're saying. That's just ridiculous. I agree with slamdunkt, why drag our Country, and Military, down this road again? If you don't like serving in the Military in secret about your homosexuality, then don't serve. You have that option. The Military is not the same mindset as mainstream America's Civilians. We have a very important job to do, and the least little distraction will get yourself, or your unit, killed!! Do you really want that on your shoulders? So, why don't you grow up and think about what you're saying before you do. And if you have never served in the U.S. Military, then you need shut the hell up.

As a recent USAF retiree who served proudly for well over 20 years, (deploying 11 times during that period, once wounded), I find the blatant discrimination against homosexuals extremely disheartening as well as disgusting. Let's face facts, homosexuals do serve in the military every bit as effectively and with as much conviction (often more, given the pressure they're under), as their heterosexual counterparts. The sex of the individual with which they choose to sleep and/or share their lives is essentially MOOT, and has nothing to do with performing the job to which the military has assigned them. Trust Me... I know, because in all of my many years of service, never once did the FACT that I was homosexual interfere with my ability to do my job, and that really all that matters.

James 4 : 11

Speak not evil one of another, brethren. HE THAT SPEAK EVIL OF HIS BROTHER and jugde his brother, SPOLE EVIL OF THE LAW AND JUDGE THE LAW, you are not a DOER OF THE LAW, but a judge.
James 4 : 12
THERE IS ONE LAWGIVER, who is able to save and destoy : WHO ARE YOU THAT JUDGE ANOTHER ?

While I'm neither gay or in the military, I say that one's sexual orientation should not make a difference because there shouldn't be ANY sex going on at work! So overtly heterosexual behavior (rough talk, lewd pictures etc.) shouldn't happen either. The only example I can come up with in my own life was scouting. Boy Scouts ban homosexuals and Girl Scouts just say there should be no sexual activity or PDA's in front of the girls. Seems right to me.