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  • Posted By: Bad Karma @ 01/08/2009 12:00:32 PM

    As a prior Navy officer I know what a detriment to good order and discipline it would be to allow gays to openly serve in the military. Any policy that negatively affects a military unit's or command's ability to effectively and efficiently carry out its mission should be summarliy rejected. The needs of the few should never outweigh the needs of the many when life and death decisions are made. There is a reason the vast majority of active duty personnel do not want gays in the military. The military lifestyle is completely unlike the civilian lifestyle. Not only do you work with your coworker, but you also live with your coworker. And your work most assuredly will involve dealing death and/or avoiding it. Ask yourself, those of you who have never served, if you would be 100% comfortable with a coworker who is potentially sexually attracted to you seeing you during your most intimate times? If you are completely honest honest with yourself, the answer is no. That doubt leads to hesitation. Hesitation doesn't lead to a lost sale or a missed deadline in the military. It leads to someone's death: someone in your unit, someone in your command. So the stakes are too high in the military for any social experiment with a misperceived minority group that chose their lifestyle. The US military is the most professional service in the world and that's why we win. Allowing gays to serve openly and not discharging them would severely damage that professionalism and cost American lives.

    • Posted By: FormerOfficer @ 01/08/2009 12:29:51 PM

      I too am an Officer and have to disagree with your assessment. Gays are already in the military and the thoughts of someone watching you is that is gay in intimate areas is already being done. A soldier must understand that he world has gays and lesbians everywhere. He can try to shield himself by pretending that doesn't exist but that is not productive. The surpress the rights of the few just so that the many can sleep well at night under false pretenses is ridiculious. I think you should realize that you live in a world of diverse people with different sexualities. Your comments about the best military in the world cannot be based on the false allusion that it is because they don't have gay people around them. When someone goes to a public gym and uses the shower facility are they concerned about gay people there. If the rest of the general public is not, then you should not be either. You are there for one purpose, to protect and serve this country, not to judge whether someone is looking at you that doesn't have the same sexual preference as you. We train as we fight. We fight with gays, we train with gays, so let them live their lives as gays.

    • Posted By: joshwhite @ 01/08/2009 12:05:43 PM

      Right on, vary profesionaly put.

  • Posted By: gunner156 @ 01/08/2009 12:29:50 PM

    all u clinton lovers the economy is where its at because of him he let our jobs go to mexico and other places he sucks well i guess he did make gettin a --------------- from ole monika and made it not sex so a guy can go out and get him one and his wife cant divorce him over it cause the if the president can and says its not sex how could a judge grant a divorce lol

  • Posted By: Joeyvglb @ 01/08/2009 12:03:12 PM

    The reason the great Nation of Rome fell, was in last days every thing was acceptable. I heard that quote once, I shook it off, however I cant anymore.

    • Posted By: mrjustice @ 01/08/2009 12:18:37 PM

      You are 100% correct. Rome fell because of the openly gay acts and because they started letting illegal aliens into their country. That's right, illegal aliens. They could no longer support their people with all the millions of illegals pooring into the country. Their was sickness and disease spreading all over because of the open gayness. This is why this country is now falling just like Rome. Far too many gays running around, far too many illegal aliens sponging off our society, and far too much selfish folk wanting it all for themselves. It has become a "screw you nation" and I hate it too!

      • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 01/08/2009 12:29:46 PM

        You are both low-grade morons. If you want to know why Rome fell, read Ammianus Marcellus, instead of making crap up.

  • Posted By: newworldgornut @ 01/08/2009 12:29:25 PM

    Now I know some tough gay dudes that can fight and what they prefer is on them. But you know there is going to be that one little sissy wearing pink and stuff trying to go into the Army and change the way things are. Talking about his rights as a human etc. How are we going to look when we are facing a issue and the front line of soldiers are the sissy gay guys with the bent leg and hands on their hips. If your gay then your gay so be it but we have a certain stereotype for out soldiers. We can allow gays but we can not change our conduct. Enough change is enough! Somethings we can not be so damn flexiable on.

  • Posted By: jolietat @ 01/08/2009 12:29:25 PM

    Finally! People are becoming more open to the idea that "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL". I look forward to the day when all people will be able to see that no matter of race, gender, sexual preference, age or size, we all deserve equal rights.
    Not such a radical concept really... just a long time coming.

  • Posted By: SeniorDean @ 01/08/2009 12:29:18 PM

    I spent 24 years in the military, and it simply didn't matter whether I was working side-by-side with a heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual - there was a job that needed to be done and it got done. (And before you go there; yes, I spent time at the operational, tactical, and strategic level ??? so I???ve walked-the-walk and can therefore talk-the-talk.) There was never any hesitation, nor question of reliability, integrity, or dedication amongst the men and women that I served with. The ridiculous question of trust that tends to linger around this subject is simply not inherent to sexual orientation; matter-of-fact, most of the military members that were half of a man/woman relationship weren???t as faithful to their partner as the others ??? so where???s the basis of trustworthiness there? I don???t have any real statistics on that last comment, but should it matter to a real leader? We should be basing our opinion upon the individual???s skill, ability, and knowledge ??? not who they???re sleeping with. Come on people, GROW UP!

  • Posted By: rrroz @ 01/08/2009 12:29:15 PM

    I can't believe it's even a question. Why CAN'T homosexual people join the military?? I don't see why there's an issue. If it's homophobia, that's stupid. Why would a gay man be interested in a non-gay man? Women have the same issues being a minority in the military. Women face similar issues too (sexual harrassment). Women don't join the military to find a mate; neither do gay men. Straight men should accept women and gay men and stop thinking they need to dominant the world. If it weren't for straight men, there'd be no wars.

  • Posted By: phxboy76 @ 01/08/2009 12:28:47 PM

    Why is it always Bible Beaters and their hate? Newflash idiots, the bible was written by MEN in their ignorant viewpoints. Just the equivalent of you idiots back in olden times. Really sad that you keep trying to shove that garbage down out throats. I think it is funny that they pass judgement left and right declaring who is moral or immoral. There is only one judge and that IS God. I really hope he takes your ignorance and Bad judgements you declare in this life lightly when it is your turn to be judged. Hope the fire and brimstone isn't too uncomfortable for you.

  • Posted By: nathenmark @ 01/08/2009 12:15:40 PM

    I love that the military is made of people who are taught to kill, face the possibility of being killed, and see all kinds of destruction in war, and gays make them nervous. I know men who have seen children shot to death and men blew up by bombs, and homos scare them. I feel real safe with a military who is scared of people fighting for their country...we are doomed.

    • Posted By: Cherylan @ 01/08/2009 12:28:35 PM

      This comment is absurd! You are grasping for straws here.

  • Posted By: tchirico12 @ 01/08/2009 12:28:27 PM

    How can any of you say that it is not possible for gay's to serve our country!!! Where do any of you get off judging anybody??? You are NOT GOD!!! He is the ONLY one that may judge any of us...so until the day that any of us leave this world and go onto a higher place...Leave the judging up to him! Stop the hatred and segregation...that is what keeps this country in a continuous war!

  • Posted By: GKansas @ 01/08/2009 12:28:17 PM

    If a gay perosn can cowboy up and sever as a soilder why not.!!! I don't think they have enough balls to do so,but if they rhink they can keep the pace let them go for it.

  • Posted By: BlondeWhatOfit @ 01/08/2009 12:28:06 PM

    They are gay...not sexual prediators. Both enlisted men and women have been doing things the military doesn't approve of for years. Any different? It's not the question of being gay in the military....the real problem is the reaction of hetersexual soldiers to their lifestyle choice. Everybody should have the right to defend his or her country.

  • Posted By: Juan Juan @ 01/08/2009 12:28:05 PM

    As I see it, if we are going to allowed openly gay enlisted personal to share the unique no privacy living conditions in the military, thenhow can we allow that AND at the same time keep separate living quarters between the male and female enlisted. SEX is SEX.
    Please somebody explain how the sexual attractions between enlisted of the same sex will living with no privacy is "okay" whiles the sexual attractions between male and female enlisted living with no privacy is not "okaY."\\"?

  • Posted By: USNAOUT88 @ 01/08/2009 12:28:03 PM

    godfollower - god did not talk about that, men did. Show me what Jesus said - you're a christian so you should do what He says - love your neighbor as yourself. Quit using the edited, redacted, changed letters from Paul to prop up your stance

  • Posted By: cymbelstern @ 01/08/2009 12:28:01 PM

    to sourceofalltruth: The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 to heterosexuals. This doesnt mean that God doesnt love heterosexuals, it's just that they need more supervision.

  • Posted By: lucsmom @ 01/08/2009 12:27:58 PM

    Don't you think there are already gays in the military showering near everybody? slamdunk : you think being gay is a choice? Why would somebody choose to make their life harder? Do you live under a rock?

  • Posted By: wilson08 @ 01/08/2009 12:27:51 PM

    it shouldnt matter weather you are gay , lesbian , straight , black white green or purple
    if your life is dedicated to serving the country what difference does it mate if your gay or not
    as for the rest of you who said no gays shouldnt be aloud to serve the country m your pathetic

  • Posted By: rebeccalynn87 @ 01/08/2009 12:27:46 PM

    Hey.. I have an IDEA.. how about you people that don't actively serve in the MILITARY have no say so in this.. It doesn't affect your career.. so do us all a favor and shut it...

  • Posted By: Brandon Cohen @ 01/08/2009 12:27:32 PM

    This issue depends on the country's stance on gays at home. If we are willing to accept gays within the country as having equal rights then I think that they would make excellent soldiers, despite their effeminate stereotype, because they would have a strong drive to see that their rights were respected abroad, or at least would be loyal to a country that respects them. Having pride in a sound judgment on their behalf would likely help them stand firm supporting the country's other agendas because it would be taken more on faith that the decision was coming from a government that "made the right choices". On the other hand, if we as a country choose not to give them full equal rights here at home then how could we count on them to stand up and fight for a country that doesn't support them, and in their opinion has botched ethical values? I personally support gays in the military, saying that they can fight as well as anyone and that it's a bit off to consider gays an abomination but not killing.

  • Posted By: Brody69 @ 01/08/2009 12:27:25 PM

    Okay, so the issue is now about showering & berthing. The primary reason that the women have separate bathing and sleeping quarters is that they are (not all, but mostly) the weaker sex. To protect the ladies from aggressive hormone driven me, is to separate them. Now, two men one gay, and the other not gay, would be equal (typically) in combat skills and would be able to protect themselves for unwanted advances. The major flaw though is that typically the gay male is vastly more superior in strength and stamina, and would not have a problem having their way with any male partner, I see why heterosexuals are scared now, gays are a more superior human being, all the sexual traits of a man, but the restraint of women, and non of the weaknesses. The same goes for the ladies. There jealous.

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