You that have a problem with the gays and our new president need to wake up your living in 2009. The Bible says JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED.......
You that have a problem with the gays and our new president need to wake up your living in 2009. The Bible says JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED.......
CONSERVATIVE MILITARY ARE YOU KIDDING ME !! "WHATS" SO CONSERVATIVE ABOUT DISCRIMINATION"?
Don't get me wrong, Im not gay myself but I don't see any problem with a gay person being in the military. If their were a fire fight going on, and you had 6 men in your unit and 4 of them were gay It damn sure wouldn't matter to me if they were gay or not ! The primary objective is to protect and serve our country, and that's all that matters !!! Just because a gay person chooses that way of life doesn't change the way they fight or the ability to protect the unit.
Well will they be able to shoot "Stright"
Homosexuals and bisexuals have been serving HONORABLY, but in the closet, in the U.S. military since at least the Civil War era; and, maybe before that.
There should be only two bottom lines: can they do their job; and, can they keep their private life private?
having family members who are gay and lesbian i have a little more tolerance for their choice of lifestyle. And in all honesty whether it be choice or genetics or whatever, if that person is willng so sign on the dotted line and fight for their country and help preserve the freedoms we all have and enjoy everyday why must we criticize them. They arent asking for special treatment and i hope thats not what they are asking for cause hate to tell you they wont get it. Now as far as the policy goes i guarantee u there are thousands of gay and lesbian women and men in the military now and when your overseas and ur in the middle of the desert with the people who have worked and sweated and learned as much as you and right by ur side are you serously gonna hold their sexual preference against them when they could be the ones taking a bullet for you or pulling your butt out of what looks lke an impossible situation? Im not saying for them to be comng into the military and announcing to everyone in the world your gay but have a bit of military bearing and keep it to yourself and dont air your dirty laundry because many will treat them different and thats not something anyone can change. as a straight person u dont want everyone in the wolrd to know all your personal aspects of your life it shouldnt be any different if your gay. the dont ask dont tell rule should be an unspoken rule. if your willing to take the harrassment then so be it, announce it, if not keep it under wraps. as for me either way i dont care what you are.
This is crazy: all these gay and lesbian citizens are ready to give their lives for this country and people here are acting like this is an issue of 'trust'!!! This is why religions need to be contained. They do nothing but promote fear, bigotry and hatred for no reason. I recently saw the movie MILK and it brought home the issue because the religious groups have always been hateful and constantly trying to destroy the lives of gay citizens, to destroy their homes and families, their dignities and even drive them out of their workplace like they tried doing in the seventies in California.
On top of that the bigots who cast the first stone in California last year during the elections, the Mormons, lack the moral authority to be preaching about monogamous marriage because their own founder Joseph Smith was a polygamist and the bodies of many of his wives and concubines are with him in his graveyard. America needs to wake up and speak truto to the religious groups for once and all. This is not going to be a theocracy! We are a country with a secular democratic tradition !
Cant you come up with a better topic than that? People have served in the military since before 1776. And you dont think that gays were in the military. Well All I gotta say is You better keep quiet and make sure your not a straightie Sgt.colonel sanders. LMAO The gay police will get you haha
Or do you not know that the unrighteous [Or wrongdoers] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality???
As I quote bible thumping Bob here- the military looks at sexual activity (both gay & straight) as follows- if you sleep with it you better be married to it- any sexual activity that occurs between two people that you are NOT married to- is considered adultery. So we either discharge 99.9% of our military for acts of adultery or we show some maturity and tolerance to our fellow man. Is it me- or does it seem that when someone has nothing intelligent of their own thinking to say- they have to hide behind scripture?
Oh... and a really good friend of mine- high ranking Marine- married for years to his wife- ex cheerleader. I will take that cheerleader in a gunfight against the enemy anyday. He is a damned fine soldier.
It does not matter if you think scripture is for the unintelligent or if you think it is right or wrong. It is a fact that you are going to die someday and then you will stand before God. Try telling Him your opinions. And if you think that the unintelligent hide behind scriptures then prove that God is not real? A smart person like you should have no problem doing that. And if you cannot prove that God is not real, how can you say his scriptures, and those that clearly state homosexuality is wrong, should be disregarded?
homophobia is an ongoing issue that needs to end. letting a person an individual stand up for their country that is gay should be allowed to speak of it. i believe that you are who you are, dont let the bible tell you who you are. im not against religion or anything but i do believe in freedom of speech and i think that a gay in the military should be allowed to say thats the way they are and all the power to them for wanting to serve their country.
I feel as it says, It may take time and that one would have to do research because this change could be good and bad. now It's a great thing that Obama is going to be President because We all live here and serve Our Father in Heaven Freely but they also fought for Freedom Period. This country was founded on Change and this is one the will take time but, it could be worse. I feel that if they chose to serve openly they can because there are many young and old men and women that walk their daily lives not open about there sexuality everyday and I've found that when a person knows that someone is gay "In my Generation" They are easier to deal with it because it's not a secret but it could hurt some people Gay Marrages I don't agree with but being yourself I do because the gay man or woman that serves in the Military is also fighting for your freedom that you are here enjoing so why complain the opions of the service men and women are the only ones that truely Matter....
THIS IS MY LAST COMMENT ON THIS SUBJECT....I WANT TO LEAVE YOU ALL WITH ONE NOTE:
THE MAN SO CONCERNED WITH ANOTHER MAN'S SEXUALITY IS THE MAN WHOSE SEXUALITY IS ALSO QUESTIONABLE. THE MAN WHO IS HOMOPHOBIC AND TRIES TO DRAW ATTENTION TO ANOTHER MAN'S SEXUALITY IS THE MAN WHO IS TRYING TO TAKE THE ATTENTION FROM HIMSELF BECAUSE HE IS DOWNLOW.
WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF...THERE'S ALOT OF MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT IN LIFE THAN ANOTHER'S SEXUAL PREFERENCE. IF YOU DONT ACCEPT IT, DONT QUESTION IT, DONT CONCERN YOURSELF WITH IT...
THE POLICY SHOULD BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT'S 2009, BEING GAY IS AS COMMON AS A MCDONALDS ON A CORNER, AND BECAUSE IT WILL PROVIDE COMFORT TO THOSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY SERVING...
What a disgusting abominable excuse for a nation, hang your heads in shame and start to realise you are the most narrow minded, backward thinking bigots the world has ever seen. Your utter disrespect for Gay people is appalling, your bigoted views of other races is as frightening as ever, your downright abuse of your own Christianity isn't a surprise as most of you religious freaks can't comprehend anyone else having a different opinion than something you read in a story book and then misinterpreted to fit your own purpose. The most dangerous nation in the world today is America and thank god you got rid of the last religious nut who was in charge, by some sheer stroke of luck it seems a tide could be turning and I hope your new president elect makes some effort to damper down this riot of bigotry and hatred although i fear they will continue to breed and therefore continue to infect the nation with their abuse and hatred. If their is a GOD i hope he is laughing at you all expecting to get into heaven after wasting your lives by hating others. America is the most hate fueled country on earth and I can't believe the rest of the world sits back and allows it. The world looks back at you with shame, your getting left behind in every aspect of human development, it is not a great nation it is not a cultural melting pot, it is a time bomb waiting to explode and I don't think you'll find too much support or sympathy from the rest of us.
RIGHT ON, YOU SAID IT ALL!!!
RIGHT ON!!!
They have served for years with honor. If they want to serve their country I appreicate that effort. Let them alone!
There are gay members in the military right now and they have performed their duties with honor and respectability. They don't flaunt their sexuality and they do their jobs. If someone knew of a gay service person and turned them in, they would be considered just as guilty by association. DON'T ASK,DON'T TELL remains good policy and should remain as is.
You know it's very easy for those of you who havent' served in the military to say that the Don't Ask, Don't Tell rule should go away; you don't realize that life in the military is very different then a regular civilian job. I can care less what sexual preference a fellow military member has. However, when I had to shower with 60 other female recruits during boot camp, I sure as hell didn't want any of them to be lesbian (60 women had less then 10 mintues to take a shower in less then 6 small shower stalls). Needless to say there was a lot of body rubbing going on. Now I know that the fact that some of these women were probably gay existed, but it would have been even more uneasy if I knew who in fact was gay. You wouldn't ask me to take a shower with a man, so why force me to take a shower with a woman I know for a fact is gay? If you think about it, in doing so you are violating MY rights. I think the only way this will work out is if policies are changed and recruits and military personnel are given private quarters for personal things like taking a shower and using the restroom. However, I don't know how this issue will be resolved for the Navy Ships that have cramped quarters.
Well said.
So, how do we fix this problem? Keep the "don't ask, don't tell "policy in effect or build new quarters for gays, form all-gay battalions, or allow gays to shower and at times sleep with straight men and women? Does the military allow straight men and women to do everything together? No. People who work in the civilian sector need to have served in the military before writing anything meaningful on here. Homosexuality is wrong and immoral. The bottom line: People either support immorality or they don't.
Don't let the gay people try to change your opionion or mind with their well though out, intellectual ponderings of how things should be.
I am serving as an Army officer. If open practice of homosexuality is permitted and endorsed in the military, I will resign my commission as soon as I can. As a leader, I cannot instruct my Soldiers that homosexuality is acceptable or that immorality is just about people being people. Jesus Christ rules over the nations (The United States belong to Him), and His law states that homosexuality is sin. Neither the U.S. Military or any other institution can pronounce good what Christ has made evil.
I agree with jjones. There have always been Gays in the military & unless they're looking for attention, they don't need to advertise. I served in an Airborne unit in Italy in the 70s. Our mission was to secure a dropzone for the 82nd if the Soviets ever attacked Europe. I recall hearing at the time that the life expectacy of the unit was between 24 & 72 hrs. We had a few rumoured to be gay soliers in the unit & frankly, at the time I didn't care. If a man has got the guts to stand & fight along side of me ,I don't care if he's gay. That having been said, the "don't ask, don't tell" thing has worked quite well for the last couple of hundred years and changing it does'nt serve to do anything but give someone the ability to say "Hay, look at me, I'm gay". So what? If you want to serve, shut up & do it. There are a lot of other things that G.I.'s keep their mouths shut about lest they be discharged as well.
I???m not saying gay people should not be allowed in the military, I am saying if they show it and want to put on rainbow fatigues they are not in the right place. Gay people have been in the military and done a great service to our country, but part of being on a team is being alike. Everyone has to put something that makes them an individual aside while on duty, and being OPINLY GAY is one of them. ???Don???t ask Don???t tell??? rule is a fare compromise to both sides
I dont agree with you. why is it that you and everybody else can show your pride for your country, a football team, a baseball team or whatever sport it may be. but gay people MUST hide who they are and what they are proud of. I'm sure people that are far away fighting for their country miss their families very much and enjoy talking about their loved ones to other soldiers to help them get through the day but a gay person is definately NOT allowed to speak about their life partner or reminisce with another soldier because they just might offend somebody. Straight soldiers dont have to think about that stuff before they speak so why should we??? Everybody has the right to be proud and show it!!!
Your right! Don't forget the purple and pink rifles!!!
The only thing is will they ge able to shot "Stright" ?
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