The Case for Walking Away

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  • Posted By: bucky99 @ 01/04/2009 9:32:26 PM

    This is beyond bad advice. The current bankruptcy code requires a six month consumer credit counseling course, designed specifically to teach debtors how not to find themselves in financial peril. The author here completely misses the point. She suggests bankruptcy as a first response rather than as a last resort. The publisher, however, is mostly to blame for this irresponsbile piece of journalism.

  • Posted By: imrightyourwrong1 @ 01/04/2009 9:25:25 PM

    I agree completely with realitycheck161, except for the part about working for Bush. We seem to always blame our stupidity on the President in times of trouble. The issue of lending people money for mortgages, they could not afford, goes back to the Clinton administration. Also I did not see this liberal congress try to stop it in the past two years. People have tp think and stop making poor decisions with their money - even when times seem good. All these new Obama bailouts are going to drown us in debt and drive the upper middle class and middle class down. Again, our stupidity is going to allow Obama to do it. However, we only can blame ourselves if it happens.

    • Posted By: seti2008 @ 01/04/2009 9:28:30 PM

      The teaching of critical thinking skills is lacking in our schools.

  • Posted By: reality check161 @ 01/04/2009 9:28:23 PM

    IF YOU HAVE "TOO LITTLE MONEY"THEN DONT BUY ON CREDIT!!!!

  • Posted By: suniskye @ 01/04/2009 9:28:21 PM

    reality check 161 - those that have health insurance (myself included) are fortunate. There are many people whose employers do not offer health insurance and those people who cannot afford $200 a month for health insurance and when they are feeling well and good that $200 a month could possibly pay for a roof over their heads ... so their choice is simple, give my kids a place to live, food on the table or purchase health insurance when I'm not ill.

    It is not that people's priorities are screwed up .... it is survival and the economy today has made survival much much harder.

    Unless you have personally experienced a serious illness, you have absolutely no right to judge anyone. That was rude and ignorant.

  • Posted By: seti2008 @ 01/04/2009 9:27:25 PM

    no-win-situation, no to mention that we live in a type o economy that depends heavily on credit to operate. Even big companies, with their big-shot financial advisors, lawyers, and accounts aren't debt-free. Without debt, very few could buy houses or much of anything that is on the market. The incentive for invention and development would be weaker. People who suggest the no debt route aren't doing capitalism any favors. As a matter of fact, the advice is anti-capitalistic.

  • Posted By: reality check161 @ 01/04/2009 9:21:10 PM

    7thinline...no my head has not been in the sand...it, along with the rest of mu body has been at work 6 days a week,10-12 hours a day! As for a devestating accident...In some cases bankrupcy is appropriate. however, if you live within your means and only charge things you can pay for in a timely fashion making sure to get insurance that covers you in event of death or disability then those rare exception are..well... rare. As to not reproducing...If you cannot care for the needs of a child then you should refrain!

  • Posted By: no-win-situation @ 01/04/2009 9:17:10 PM

    Response to Scott: We left England and came to this country to escape religious persecution and financial persecution. In England they had debtors prisons and if someone could not pay they took the royals side and tossed them in prison until they could pay. Big joke because if you are in jail you can not work off a debt. Please don't suggest we become the very thing that our forefathers left behind on a very dangerous journey across seas to found this great country. Doesn't anyone remember the Boston Tea Party from history class and the protest against taxation? We are letting our government become what we fought a revolution not to ever be.

  • Posted By: nunyabizziness @ 01/04/2009 9:15:56 PM

    I can't believe this lady has the gaul to write this crap!! This is terrible and she should be ashamed. Somebody needs to sit her down and explain personal respsonsibility to her. Her boss needs to be fired for letting her write this. Guess who pays when people don't take care of their obligatons.....what an idiot!!

  • Posted By: reality check161 @ 01/04/2009 9:12:52 PM

    kick21...simple: pay 200 a month insurance and if you cant then dont reproduce...if you had insurance then the hospital bills would not be a problem...if you did not have insurance then dont reproduce...your ex would not be after you had you chose one of these options

  • Posted By: 7thinline @ 01/04/2009 9:11:57 PM

    To reality check161: Who are you to pass judgement on a very large population of people for whom bankruptcy is their only option? You assume that everyone is out there "living beyond their means" and being irresponsible. You don't know anything! What about the people who have an illness or accident devastate their lives and wipe them out financially? Or how about the people who are deeply effected by the rise in fuel prices, truck drivers for example - who can't work without fuel and can't pay their bills without working? And it's so easy to get a job, isn't it??? You must have had your head in the sand these past few years, because you know absolutely nothing about real life. Keep your self-righteous and ignorant opinions to yourself. There's a reason that professionals, including Harvard professors, are represented in this article and not people like you. And telling people not to reproduce in order to live within their means?? What I'd like to say to that comment would not get printed.

  • Posted By: kick21 @ 01/04/2009 9:08:30 PM

    try having your wife lose her job then have open heart surgery, then six months later back surgery then lose her job again then have a ex wife take you to court again for nothing she withdrew the motion at the court date for the sixth time so with doctor bills and attorney bills and low income your just screwed and have no choice so people need to get real the law is there for a reason

  • Posted By: suniskye @ 01/04/2009 8:56:42 PM

    Walk a mile in my shoes says it all. Creditors and Mortgage lenders for many years have put people into homes that they really could not afford and given credit out to people who shouldn't have gotten it. When I was 21 and 22 years old I couldn't imagine being able to buy a house or have $20,000 in credit available to me! Today's 20=somethings have been encouraged to go into debt and, they have made out fine until this economy of ours changed things. When jobs are lost and new ones are hard to find because of an economy where people just can't affored to spend spend spend anymore whose at fault? I have to watch my kids suffer because of this and as a parent it is not a pleasant thing to recommend to your newly married child to walk away but, sometimes, that is the only solution because I don't see the economy getting any better. I can keep giving them money to make ends meet but I am throwing my money into something that is a lost cause, due to layoffs, etc. I certainly hope that our legislators begin to regulate predatory lending, which my kid was a victim of and do something about this NOW. Since when does a 48% debt ratio qualify someone to buy a home? That's setting them up for failure to begin with. And, setting people up for failure to begin with is just what lenders have accomplished here. Like I say walk a mile in the shoes of someone laid off and getting an ulcer trying to make ends meet when from day one they were set up to fail.

    • Posted By: GoBoilers @ 01/04/2009 9:05:06 PM

      People, including your kids, have to exercise commen sense and evaluate what they can afford. People that lever up and buy everything they possibly want just because someone has offered them credit, often based on misleading financial data provided by borrowers, deserves what they get.

      http://www.beyondthemargin.net/

    • Posted By: reality check161 @ 01/04/2009 9:03:03 PM

      suniske...You raise your children to have common sense...just because you can get does not mean that you need it or that you can afford it! you teach them and then if they dont liste/learn then they must pay the piper!

  • Posted By: suniskye @ 01/04/2009 9:04:38 PM

    There are people out there who were sucked into loans they could not affored from day one. Predatory lending ... that is what that's called. The hardest thing that anyone can do in life is to make a decision to walk away from everything that they have worked for in their lives .... it is a decision some have a hard time grasping but, there are times in life when it is unavoidable ... illness, lay off, PREDATORY LENDING when people are set up to fail (why was this allowed to occur in the first place?) My 20-something kid is suffering because she and her husband were given a mortgage with a 48% debt ratio ... I, as a parent, didn't know this until after the fact because had I know I would have stopped this from occurring. Now, 2 years later, and after borrowing money numerous times to make ends meet, they have to walk away. There's no choice for them. They simply cannot afford it and couldn't from the very first day they obtained that loan. They were set up to fail and the lender was allowed to do it. So, before anyone condemns people by saying step up to your obligations I say that lenders must now face the reality of their choice to lend money to people knowing full well it could not be paid back because of debt ratios that were allowed. The banks, when lending this money to people who should never have gotten the loans, didn't know that the housing market was going to crash ... what goes around eventually comes around! Banks are stuck with houses that more money is owed then the home is worth. I certainly hope our legislators regulate the lending industry the way it should have been regulated the past 20 years to ensure that this won't ever happen to our economy again.

  • Posted By: BiggChipp @ 01/04/2009 9:03:19 PM

    Wow, what an article (sarcasm). Not only is this unethical advice... it's plain ol' immoral. I guess the facts surrounding how a lot of these Americans got into their bind means nothing. Amazing...

  • Posted By: GoBoilers @ 01/04/2009 9:01:21 PM

    This article encourages exactly the wrong type of behavior. People just need to WAKE UP and realize that they can't have everything they want and when times arelean they have to cut back... Hedonistic Americans never want to embrace reality

    http://www.beyondthemargin.net/2008/06/life-as-slave.html

  • Posted By: BiggChipp @ 01/04/2009 9:00:48 PM

    Wow, what an article (sarcasm)... Not only is this bad advice, it's unethical and immoral.

  • Posted By: GoBoilers @ 01/04/2009 9:00:00 PM

    This article encourages exactly the wrong type of behavior. People just need to WAKE UP and realize that they can't have everything they want and when times arelean they have to cut back... Hedonistic Americans never want to embrace reality

    http://www.beyondthemargin.net/2008/06/life-as-slave.html

  • Posted By: americanway?? @ 01/04/2009 8:13:18 PM

    What a joke!! That's all we need to do in today's America - ENCOURAGE people to be irresponsible by declaring BK. I was in a business that went under with an old friend who decided to go the way of BK. The same month he filed, he went on a week long vacation!! The only way I would ever support BK for someone is if they had medical problems (not caused by their own lazy-ass obesity) or if they agreed to terms laid out in a new BK law which included things like sterilization/castration and revocation of their right to vote for ~20 years. If we don't have more consequences for this, people will keep abusing the system and our economy by making other people pay for their worthless lives.

    • Posted By: allseeingeyeball @ 01/04/2009 8:22:04 PM

      How many times have you encouraged Wall Street. The Chinese Yuan bail out (which Paulson, then CEO of GOldman Sachs sttod to lose $750 Miliion personally); the Mexican Peso Bail out; the IMF Treasury Bail out of South American defaults; the Silverado S&L baillout and the ensuing "regulations" which we were told was going to make the $1.67 Billion bailout under Clinton never happen again. Now a Trillion. Explain it for the "little people," that pay the bills. Please. Also explain why the Kennedy's have all their money in Fiji Island Trust accounts. Do they live there. I doubt any of them have ever even been there. Two sets of rules. Your position is not consistent with the facts. "BK" is the working man's "bail out."

      • Posted By: allseeingeyeball @ 01/04/2009 8:47:26 PM

        Correction: The Silverdao Bailout cost the tax payers $161.7 Billion.

      • Posted By: americanway?? @ 01/04/2009 8:28:34 PM

        And if it is a working man's "bail out" he should take it with more consequences. I know CEO's need more accountability too, I just can't believe there is an article posted like this encouraging everyone to take the coward's way out. What will our country be if more and more people start declaring BK? What credibility will we have? How do you respect someone who abuses the BK system like this?

        • Posted By: allseeingeyeball @ 01/04/2009 8:46:17 PM

          Don't worry. Congress will give them the money in another bail out iif too many people decide to go BK, and then they will repeal BK altogether and probably reinstitute debtor's prisons. Maybe indentured servitude in a Chinese factory. That would make people act more reponsible before incurring $1,000 a month health insurance premiums, doubling energy costs to get to work, etc.. etc.. Give me a break, most everyone wants to pay their bills, but when the "true owners" of the society make it impossible, there may be only one way out. Oh, bu the way, a firend we know recetnly killed himself so that his family could get the life insurance. He wanted to support his family but had lost his job due to globalization (cheap $1 a day Chinese labor), I wish he had gone BK instead.

  • Posted By: mattstech @ 01/04/2009 8:46:47 PM

    I cannot imagine what inspires someone to write an article like this. The constant need to pick up that latest gadget or the impression that every room needs a flat panel television should be warning signs that we are spending out of control. The credit card companies are not to blame. I would point the finger directly at our education system that allows someone to graduate without the knowledge to balance a checkbook.

  • Posted By: Scrat @ 01/04/2009 7:01:11 PM

    I guess when the 60" plasma TV and the blue ray DVDs, fluffies bi-weekly visits to the doggie spa and the 3 beemers in the McMansions garage get to be too much of a burden you can just shuck it off on everybody else. How pathetic. Only losers file for bankruptcy. Buck up and pay your bills!!

    • Posted By: kessie1023 @ 01/04/2009 8:45:56 PM

      Wow...slow down on the compassion brother! Do you think all people that file for bankruptcy file because they foolishly overspend? What about those of us trying to survive? Walk a mile pal and then tell me about it.

    • Posted By: scieszka @ 01/04/2009 7:29:59 PM

      People who have adverse conditons are coming under more financial pressures than ever before. You seem to have lumped everyone together. I have been working since I was 17 (35 yrs), I married and lived with my parents to save for a home. I didn't have a family until I was married for 13 yrs because I didn't feel we were financially ready. When my kids were 5 and 7 their dad left. I ended up with the bills and house as dad decided to quit working and moved to Fla. For over 11 yrs I have supported my children, paid for kids college from my paycheck (dad spent their college fund), paid my 6k/yr property tax and all my other bills without child support or any other source of income. I also have a child with medical issues. My company hasn't had pay raises in the last 3 yrs. I still pay 10k to the federal govt, 3k for medical ins., etc. So do the math.. my income hasn't increased in 3 yrs but expenses in some case have tripled.

      I don't think my situation is unique. I bet many out there have experienced the same issues and have managed to hang in there. No expensive car, extravagant spending.. just more demands on my finances. at some point the crack in the dam can't be held back.

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