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  • Posted By: paulte @ 01/06/2009 10:36:50 AM

    Any way you look at the situation, you have to admit that Israel is propped up by the US. The only real peace will come when the US backs off from the situation. It is not our job to resolve all the world's problems. Obama ran on a campaign of change but he made a point of running over to pay homage to Israel. He appointed Hillary, the wicked witch of the west as Secretary of State. The one positive about Obama was his trouncing of Hillary. Now the fool does this! The Clintons were clearly the worst of the three evils, Hillary, Obama, McCain & Palin. Now Hillary is the one who has said that an attack on Israel is an attack on the US! This is simply pandering to the Jewish demographic in America. It is time for this to stop.

    The hands of the Jews in Israel are not without blood and it is time for the US to separate from Israel. This does not mean that the West will stand by and let the Jews be annihilated but it is time for the Jews of Israel and the US to face reality and enter into an equitable two state solution. They should not be forced into a unitary state with majority rule as the Afrikaner nation in South Africa was. Just because the hypocritical West does not give a damm about the plight of the Afrikaner nation does not mean that it should do the same thing to the Jewish nation. Both peoples have a right to their own nation. Whatever happened to self-determination for peoples?

  • Posted By: 4bodhi @ 01/06/2009 10:30:48 AM

    A PLAN OF ATTACK FOR THE MIDDLE EAST,ARE YOU KIDDING....THEY ARE ALLREADY BEING ATTACKED!TOO MUCH RHETORIC MAN.AND FORTY4 YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT ARE A GROUP OF SERIAL KILLER LIKE THE BUSH PEOPLE,TONY BLAIR.YOU HAVE MANAGED TO COMPARTMENTALIZE A HOMELAND THAT ISRAEL HAS NOT EARNED THE RITE TO BE A PART OF,PALESTINE.THE ISRAELI APARTIED GOVERNMENT HAS PUT THOSE PEOPLE IN NO LESS THAN RAT CAGES,ONE DAY IN A MOMENT IT WILL ALL CHANGE,UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE INNOCENT ISRAELI THEIR RICH BOSSES WILL BE ON A PLANE TO HOLLYWOOD WHILE THEY ARE BEING KILLED FOR THEIR GOVERNMENTS TRANSGRESSIONS.JEWBYTES IS ALL YOU HAVE LEFT.

  • Posted By: one day peace @ 01/05/2009 4:52:20 PM

    Every one keeps speaking of Hammas and saying that the Gaza civilians died cuz Hammas are in Gaza. Can all of you just shut up I mean shut the hell up and listen to yourselves, innocent men, women, and children are dead...DEAD...and you all think that okay, all of you are a bunch of unhumane people you all shoulld be ashamed of yourselves....If Israel wanted to retaliate they could of went on a ground assault from the first place instead of using the air and killing anyone insight. Lets face it Israel is not only after Hammas They're after every Palistinian they can get theyu're hands on.....to want to destroy a whole race.....you tell me who's the terrorist.

    • Posted By: Forty4 @ 01/06/2009 9:35:32 AM

      You find fault and assign blame anywhere but where it belongs, which is right in the Palestinian's lap. They should have thought twice about the consequences of turning their lives and their government over to a terrorist group who sees Palestinian men, women and children as nothing more than pawns that will help them achieve their goal of Israel's destruction.

      You might also consider that the Palestinian people knew exactly what they were doing when they got in bed with Hamas.

      • Posted By: Forty4 @ 01/06/2009 9:56:30 AM

        Your claim that Israel is after every Paliestinian they can get their hands on is pure bullshit. If they wanted to "destroy a whole race", they would have done so long ago. The fact is they are targeting only known Hamas occupied buildings, and are sending warnings to Palestinian civilians to get out prior to the attacks.

        Hamas can't be negotiated with and cannot be trusted to do what it says. What do you expect Israel to do, sustain continued rocket attacks even during cease fires? Surely you don't think they're that stupid....

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 01/06/2009 9:18:42 AM

      "If Israel wanted to retaliate they could of went on a ground assault from the first place instead of using the air and killing anyone insight. "

      When you pick a fight, don't expect your enemy to fight by your rules.

    • Posted By: sajidrafique @ 01/05/2009 5:05:26 PM

      These jews and christians are our old enemies...have you forgotten?
      Sajid

    • Posted By: BexHi @ 01/05/2009 5:00:18 PM

      so until now when th epalestinians through rockets at innocent Israeli civillions, that was ok and not an act of terror, however when the Israelis rightfully fight back and hit the Hamas military who hide between their own regular innocent people on purpose just to claim that the Israelis killed an innocent person - who the Hamas people did intentionaly that is called an act of terror - its people like you who have to shut up and let the intelligence do their job, the Hamas asked for it and now they are getting it, finally!

  • Posted By: BiancaL @ 01/05/2009 4:01:12 PM

    Amazing to read reactions like the ones by "peacefulgirl"calling the jews nazi's. Humanity's hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. Did you call the palastinians Nazis when they murdered 1500 jews (and many arabs too BTW) in suicide bombings? Did you scream genocide then?
    Do you protest and feel the pain of millions of Muslims killed by other muslims??? Look at the world. In Iraq shiahtes and sunis murdered about a million or so people of their own in just 5 years and they still go on.. Arab Muslims killed hundreds of thousands of black muslims in Darphur. The same applies to pakistan, Afganistan and Turkey (killing the Kurdish muslims).
    In the past 61 years israel has killed 60,000 arabs in ALL it's wars, including the two Intifada's. In that same time 12 million muslims and arabs have been killed - almost ll of them by their own brothers.

    Think about what THAT means.

    • Posted By: peacefullgirl @ 01/05/2009 4:31:20 PM

      From wish sources you get those wrong info, For your information the past 61 years a millions of Palestinians have been killed by Israelis and the amazing thing they targeted children, can you imaging one solder in the front of a child, and the he will say I defend myself. Is this honest war? Or let say war policies? And one more thing all Darfur Muslims or non Muslims are black people, the most important information I want you to know is when do you thing and why the sheathes and sunis start the war in a specific time and place? When you answer those questions you may know who benefit from this war , or who create it.
      Oh you need a hint? Ok USA.

      • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 01/06/2009 9:20:20 AM

        "For your information the past 61 years a millions of Palestinians have been killed by Israelis"

        Millions? Rubbish.

  • Posted By: fishoutofwater @ 01/05/2009 6:11:58 PM

    The only thing I see that Israel should apologize for is waiting so long to take a firm stand against teir aggressors. Religious and scriptural predilictions aside, what is at stake here in the 21st century is survival...the Palestinians appear ready to fight to the death, and the Israelis appear ready to accomodate them. I say let them have at it and may the toughest prevail. To those of you who feel that all this is truly God's will, the the side that survives will have won God's favor.

    • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/05/2009 6:29:52 PM

      THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS....

      GOD WILL SANCTION ISRAEL AND GIVE THEM FAVOR, AFTER THEY COMMIT MASS GENOCIDE OF THE PALESTINIAN RACE.

      HITLER, MUSSOLINI, MARX AND STALIN ARE SMILING ON YOU AND THOSE LIKE YOU.

      • Posted By: fishoutofwater @ 01/05/2009 6:37:09 PM

        I Am MERELY SMILINF

        AT YOU, OMAAR

        AFTER READING ALL OF YOUR POSTS1

        Read again what I said...this is about survival in the 21st century...not about what God wants or doesn't want.

        BTW...HE TOLD ME THAT HE DOESN'T WANT YOUR KIND IN HIS PRESENCE!!!

        • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 01/06/2009 9:15:21 AM

          "BTW...HE TOLD ME THAT HE DOESN'T WANT YOUR KIND IN HIS PRESENCE!!!"

          What does the bible say to do with false prophets, again?

        • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/05/2009 6:50:38 PM

          You would'nt know God, if he Hit Your A!! over the Head with a Lightening Rod...

          You wouldn't know your Ear Hole form Your A!! Hole...

          Moreover know what God wants....

          Hahahahaha !!!!

  • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/06/2009 7:15:04 AM

    "Everyone says Israel has gone too far, they've over-reacted, the punishment does'nt fit the crime.....Well, after 8 years and 5,000 rocket attacks later, it's a little too late to say they've over-reacted. Why is it okay to fire missiles at Israel year after year (with no protest from anyone I might add), but as soon as Israel attacks those who have attacked them , you see protest all over the world. Where were these same protesters the past 8 years?"

    Ain't yer momma never lernt ya nuttin? Hamas MISSED! you silly goose!

    You, see the majority of Hamas/Palestine supporters on this site do so because they claim Palestine has bore the brunt of the casualties. Therefore, if Hamas actually hit their targets, they would kill more Israelis and they would lose their claim to "suffer superiority". They would then be the murderers and not Israel.

    So the answer for Israel is simple:

    Just let more of your civilians die, then the world will feel sorry for you, ignore your own role in this debacle and protest AGAINST Palestine and NOT for them. Problem solved. :)

    Love
    JM

  • Posted By: cartório @ 01/05/2009 2:04:55 PM

    There´s no doubt that the greatest impediment to peace is the terrorist group Hamas, that must be destroyed. It must be sent to hell with all his leaders. We all agree that the Palestinian leaders are interested not in peace but in Israel´s destruction. But they must be confident of one thing: that Israel will always be the winner, no one will destroy Israel.

    • Posted By: Kathy Montgomery @ 01/05/2009 2:38:56 PM

      How can you say that Hamas must be destroyed? They were democratically elected into power by the Palestinian people. They have been serving the needs of their people to the best of their ability. As long as the international community refuses to acknowledge their government and negotiate with them for peace, there will be no peace.

      Israel should not be so arrogant to believe that it cannot be destroyed. Do you remember that the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.? I believe that this defeat led to the majority of the Jews migrating to other parts of the world.

      • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 01/05/2009 2:52:38 PM

        Oddly enough, their temple was destroyed because they were then acting exactly as Hamas is now.

        • Posted By: cartório @ 01/06/2009 7:04:05 AM

          YES, YOU´RE RIGHT. I AGREE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU WROTE IS TRUE.

      • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 01/05/2009 2:51:40 PM

        "How can you say that Hamas must be destroyed? They were democratically elected into power by the Palestinian people. "

        And then they started a war they can't win...after being democratically elected, as you point out. I suppose, then, that there is no point feeling bad for the average Palestinian, given that they elected the dumbasses that decided it would be a good idea to launch their pathetic rockets at a major military power.

        You get what you vote for. The Palestinians voted for hatred and death, and that's exactly what they're getting.

  • Posted By: TheSilberHousehold @ 01/05/2009 10:26:45 PM

    When Newsweek and all others stop calling terrorists "just angry people without hope" there may be a chance for peace.

  • Posted By: eumu1 @ 01/06/2009 1:18:12 AM


    Even our President and Secretary of State Rice blame the other, but this blame is necessarily to conform to the Israeli invasion; give me a break. But why do you accept the deceptive headline of the article; Israel Rejects Proposed Truce? How about right one? You all heard them saying it: about the operation of the Israeli army, its intention is as Israeli Interior Minister Sheetrit said, in ???breaking the will of the Palestinians, of Hamas, to continue to fire at Israel," while Israeli military spokesman Maj. Lerner said ???a cease-fire is unnecessary because Israel is already allowing enough aid into the strip.

    The question is how is the military going to Break the will of Palestinians without invoking the same old genocide policy? The genocide implication is not my fault; it is the inner logic, especially when combined together the terrifying statements of Maj. Lerner and of Sheetrit. Thereof the right headline: Israel confirms the old genocide policy by rejecting proposed truce.

    So listen carefully to the following advice about the self-importance of men: the statue of their consciousness is very near the bankruptcy, encroaching the freedom of technology, which has been brought about as a narrowing process of choosing that tends to slide down to the violence on freedoms and the fixation of instincts needed by domination; and so stop babbling about "Intelligence" of Jews whatever you mean, because what we see here is no longer the issue of human intellect, but that of the progress of animal power, which in fact began in the 60s with the Palestinian Slingshot vs. Israeli missile, comparable to the implausible hope of the North Vietnam vs. the modern monstrosity of the US war machine.
    And so if you are serious about your own intelligence, don???t make it sound like a neurotic wary of war, who keeps trying to wake up from an unpleasant delirium: back and forth from a neurotic to a paranoiac. However, if you are so inclined, with your impeccable points of intelligence, you would be able to beat it; given all the good qualities of men such as the reasoning for the advancing power of human progress against the progress of power, as long as men decide to kill other men, men are not intelligent animals; their self-righteousness would exhaust themselves with that reasoning which, given its momentum unfettered or promoted by the privilege of self-preservation, would result in the helpless self-liquidation in a self-unconscious scheme of things.
    Here is the problem for you: how to make these men aware of that scheme: an apparent antireason used to be a thin cover-up of the fallacy of bourgeois subjectivity; in a permanent warfare, the stronger is always right, and he who said this is the essence of the self-righteousness of archaic Zionism! And yet it is a pity to think this is the ultimate ground that we still must trust in man, for whom alone intelligence is a moral category. So change the world from the bottom up.
    David d. Yun

  • Posted By: coolbreeze2 @ 01/06/2009 1:09:11 AM

    Everyone says Israel has gone too far, they've over-reacted, the punishment does'nt fit the crime.....Well, after 8 years and 5,000 rocket attacks later, it's a little too late to say they've over-reacted. Why is it okay to fire missiles at Israel year after year (with no protest from anyone I might add), but as soon as Israel attacks those who have attacked them , you see protest all over the world. Where were these same protesters the past 8 years? I hate to see all the innocent children being hurt and killed by collateral damage but, this did'nt have to be. the brutal truth is : Not one of you protesters spoke up or demonstrated against the constant missle strikes. What a bunch of hypocrits...

  • Posted By: TheSilberHousehold @ 01/05/2009 10:30:30 PM

    When Newsweek and others will stop calling terrorists "just angry people without hope" chances for peace will improve. As long as the stone thowers and rocket launchers are coddled by the liberal media peace will not come.

  • Posted By: considerit @ 01/05/2009 6:42:05 PM

    Man, some of these comments are so frustrating to read that all I can do is laugh! I don't understand how some of you people become SO justified in your opinions - for what reason on Earth do you think that YOU have it all figured out - its exactly people like you (meaning personalities like yours - race/religion/nationality aside) that cause wars; you people who are so confident in your opinions that your need to be heard astronomically exceeds your desire to learn or listen. Not a single post I've read here acknowledges in a constructive way what any other post has read - 'Joe Mama' I think you got it right by writing that neither the Israelis or Pakistanis want to lose face at this point so it is as much a matter of pride as ANYTHING else. Pride. The deadliest sin of them all in my opinion. The fact of the matter really is, would any one really miss either of these countries? I know, thats not nice. Seriously though, people from neither country are much liked around the world. I've done a significant amount of travelling and met people from different coutries and consensus has been that Israelis are overall the nastiest (rudest, most disrespectful) people going. Maybe some Israelis should consider why most of the world has that opinion of them rather than getting angry and reinforcing that image... A truly eye opening book is "By Way of Deception" by Victor Ostrosky - he was a former member of the Mossad which is Israel's equivalent to the CIA, and reveals a number of remarkable agendas the Mossad has conspired and carried out, even against their so called American allies. Victor Ostrosky was blamed for a failed operation that the Mossad was embarrassed about (there goes that pride thing again) so his carreer in the Mossad was ended and wrote this book. I hope some of you will read it and open your minds up and stop believing every thing in the media but rather educate yourselves and make your own decisions.

    • Posted By: Dan_the_Man @ 01/05/2009 10:20:05 PM

      ..............RIGHT ON................ I do belive you 'hit-the-nail-on-the-head'. It is about pride.
      Pride of their religion. Pride in their belief that their cause is just. Pride in their actions against
      each other. Yes, it all about pride.

  • Posted By: ramonafdo @ 01/05/2009 4:42:27 PM

    Yes there is hope for peace Bush must make a deal with Hammas on bended knees by apologizing to the Palestinians for past misdeeds, vowing to halt Israeli expansions by relocating growing Israeli settlements into the US.
    Then put in the well-developed and very effective and American programs to mingle the two sides - from teddy bears, to cut-and-paste pictures of unity, to hold of hands and singing of alleluias, to job-creation where Palestinian and Israeli youth avoid the scheming of the Western money-markets and businesses associated with them, and go back to old-fashioned tilling of the soil and harvesting of mutually satisfying locally grown produce.
    Ramona Therese Fernando

    • Posted By: NJ_Dave @ 01/05/2009 6:02:57 PM

      That's the funniest thing I have read all day.

      Apologize for what? Israel shooting back after spending years of patiently taking rocket fire that killed people and not shooting back? For defending themselves against terrorists?

      As for "tilling the land" look up how the Palestinians trashed the fields and greenhouses they were given when Israel pulled out of Gaza. They trashed the farms isntead of growing on them. You need to look at that before you comment about tilling the land.

      As for who is making money, just like Arafat Hamas wants war and the Paestinians to be down so they can stay in power and graft off UN aid money.

      • Posted By: ramonafdo @ 01/05/2009 8:53:00 PM

        Of course they would trash the fields and greenhouses- there were millions of Palestinians, while the few Israelis who occupied Gaza wanted to create the ambience of delightful farming delights of Biblical times. Nowadays, tilling the ground should be done with high population ratios in mind and in modern contexts.
        Best thing for US is to secure peace with Hamas, relocate extending Jewish populations to the US, collect Palestinian UN aid money and divert it to the flagging US economy so as to maintain the stability of a world entwined with the US monetary order.
        RTF

  • Posted By: BiancaL @ 01/05/2009 7:21:34 PM

    Part 3:

    Many westerners, especially in europe and in part in the US can't understand what religiou zeal is. You are rationals. You have separation of state and religion Even when you are religious it's more a private thing and not a community or clan thing. You just don't understand what fanatic Islam is. No, not all Islam is like that but the ones that are, are very dominant and very damaging. You can see a million people march because of a caricature or against Israel or the US but never a huge rally for peace or equality of women and so on. Tha't the threat.
    Europe thought for a very long time that they could throw little Israel to the dogs and be spared. They thought that they could condone terror against us no matter how hideous and not get it in their own cities. It doesn't work like that. Call it God, call it Karma call it whatever but when terror against civilians is justified in one place you will get it everywhere.
    NY, London, Madrid, Bali, the whole middle east, Mumbai and on and on.The insanity of it is proved by Iran. It used the palestinians, it used Hezbolla against us and they don't give a damn about what happens to Lebanon. They declare they want to destroy us with their impending nuclear bomb. I do think they mean it no matter what will happen to them in return or to anyone else. What strikes me is how the arabs all over (I'm not talking about the goverments but the people) don't realize that trying to "off" us means killing hundreds of thosands of Palestinians if not millions. Anyone who looks at the map can see what a small and crowded place this is. In many places arabs and jews live TOGETHER or at the very least in proxemity. It's ONE geographic unit that is very small full of millions of people. Anyone being happy about the prospect of Iran attacking us is signing their own death warrant.Maybe, maybe the Palastinians will finally understand what's at stake and who's pulling their strings cynically behind the scenes. I'm not happy about their dead, not even for a moment. It creates more hate? Maybe I should hate them for all the suicide bombings they caued us? Maybe I should hate them forever for almost kilkling me 4 times in the last 15 years? I don't want to hate them and I don't want them dead.
    I just want to live in peace and hopefully they will want that too. For real and not as a strategy for more destruction in the future.

    • Posted By: Dan_the_Man @ 01/05/2009 8:48:14 PM

      !!!...A M E N D...!!!

    • Posted By: Wahhabi @ 01/05/2009 7:24:08 PM

      Bianca,

      You do nice work on these boards. I am glad someone will be online to handle the Moslem apologists. Duty call & I must leave for the day.

  • Posted By: factsearcher @ 01/05/2009 8:28:12 PM

    Absolute nonsense !
    Forget religion!
    This is about fanatic domination. Europe and The US has gotten a small portion of how it taste to be in constant tension, to be shot with rockets day in and day out, for months and months and years! To have suicide bombers day in and day out exploding in schoold, malls, temple, cafes. To have to check around you everywhere you go in case there is a bomb.
    Forget religion and let's talk about the simple right to leave in peace and the right to exist.
    If you want to go back in history as both sides do....let's. Do you know what history tell us in books? That there was no Palestine. It was actually called Israel but renamed Philistine by the romans WAY BEFORE Mohammed existed and created Islam in 712 AD. ANd by the way, they call it Palestine because arabs could not pronounce Philistine.
    So in history it belongs to isralis.
    Modern times- they(Israel) just want to leave in peace. If there were nor rocket firing at Israel there would never be tanks, artillery, airplanes, hey not even paper planes going to Gaza from Israel...it is as simple as stopping the rocket firing and this would have not happen. Unfortunately, hamas palestinians only understand violence....and that's what they got.
    If palestunians ever wanted peace, they would respect the cease-fire resolution from Egypt, they would have accepted previous peace treaties where they were offered two state solution with the 67 borders...they dont want peace....just domination...including christians and every other religion that is not muslim....or you think Europe and US has gotten hit just by chance? Think about it and stop the nonsense opinions.

  • Posted By: gommy goomy @ 01/04/2009 10:47:44 AM

    These Arab idiots don't want peace. They want everyone else DEAD. Bill Clinton-whom I DESPISE-gave the Palestinians the BEST DEAL they were EVER gonna get. It even gave them HALF OF JERUSALEM. And what was their response? An Intafada. They got 99% of everything they were asking for, yet they turned it down, and started KILLING Jews again. THEY DON'T WANT PEACE. They want DEATH. They WORSHIP a GOD OF DEATH. They strap bombs on CHILDREN. Their OWN children. There is only ONE way to get to peace. The Palestinians need to be destroyed. Period.

    • Posted By: boldaslove @ 01/05/2009 8:12:48 PM

      The single and only goal for Hamas is to kill every Jew in the world. This has been the case for thousands of years and will continue for many more in Isreal and Worldwide.

  • Posted By: YSiam @ 01/05/2009 7:54:03 PM

    I just wish this type of article had been published way, way back, and often by many pundits with similar sentiment -- the right, balanced sentiment! In balance, with all the Palestinian violence and terrorism(resistance?) notwithstanding, I just think Isreal is/had been the main obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Simply, Israel wanted and still wants "greater" Israel, and that has been the main problem. Just look at the onging settlements, subjugation and oppression of the whole Palestinian community, the unfulfilled UN resolutions demanded on Israel(backed by the US; decades past due), etc.
    President-elect Obama must take a different and noble approach to this conflict, very unlike to this Bush II Administration. I suggest Obama'd pick up where Bush's father's(Bush I) Middle East policy left off, and toughen it up 2 fold to settle the Middle East peace process. In order to do this, just IGNORE the AIPEC, NEOCONS, NEO-PUNDITs, NEO-Media(print/tv/radio, and any other NEO- what not(meaning, all JEW/Israel-biased entities). In fact, these very people surreptitiously got us(the once noble/objective facilitator US) into Great Deep Troubles in recent years. From Wall Street(heads of financial institutions) to Politics(AIPEC, Neocons, closet Flo Joe Lieberman/ Michael Bloomberg) to the Media(print/tv/magazine) are infested with these seedy and insidious people -- and They got the US in deep deep troubles! These people have the same mentality/ideology -- and very biased to Israel! If you examine closely, the great majority of them are JEWISH! It goes without saying that NOT all jews are like that; in fact the great majority are good, common, decent people, but the few, the wicked MINORITY mentioned above, are truly wicked and atrocious and inimical. Facts: Thousands died and maimed(Americans and Iraqis) in that tragic and unnecessary Iraq war; Wall Street is giving us Economic Meltdown(millions are and will be in MISERY); the political process (Congress(long ago), White House(recently under BushII) had been compromised and hijacked by the above- mentioned, seedy and insidious people .....
    So the problem facing us now is to CONFRONT these wicked people! Otherwise, the Good Ole USA is DOOMED!
    We, the people, must confront them and rid them from positions of national influence so they CAN NO LONGER hijack our foreign/domectic policies, economic policy, media biases(propaganda), etc. They are RUINING this great country! We must put a STOP to it!


  • Posted By: The_Emperor's_Naked @ 01/05/2009 7:27:18 PM

    What if someone frustrated and annoyed with all this religious nonsense and constant conflict came along and nuked Jerusalem off the face of the earth? What would you Jews, Muslims and Christains fight over then? Trust me...if there was a god, and there was a magic "holy land", it would be somewhere in the Caribbean with beautiful beaches and peace and quiet. Sober up with all this religious "god said this nonsense" and chest pounding violent rhetoric. Do you know how stupid you all sound to someone who's educated? For one second, image that all this talk of gods was created by people thousands of years ago to help ease the anxiety of not knowing everything about their world. People who thought the world was flat and the earth was the center of the universe. Then as the stories spread, they were changed slightly and passed down from generation to generation as the truth. Soon one story became three or five similar stories until there was 5 different stories with different characters. Welcome to religion, people. There is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy or holy land with chosen people and prophets, etc. WAKE UP AND STOP ALL THIS NONSENSE! Settle the land dispute and move on.

    "Yabba Dabba Doo"

    -Fredrick Flintstone, Prophet

    • Posted By: Dan_the_Man @ 01/05/2009 7:51:59 PM

      It's about time someone rasied this point of view .... I totally agree ............ Good job!

  • Posted By: BiancaL @ 01/05/2009 7:20:04 PM

    Part 2:

    It really is tragic how these people keep choosing the wrong side time after time instead of thinking and choosing for themselves. The great majority of Israelis want peace and are willing to compromise (67 borders almost in entirity) but then comes a "movement" like Hams and tells them - "No, we can have it all" and they choose to bet everything on that. Do I believe these concessions will solve the matter once and for ll? I doubt it but I would like to try. It might cost us a HUGE price if and when they attack us from the west bank just as it happened with Gaza.
    We left Gaza almost 3 years ago. Hamas took over and started acting according to what it believes in. If you want to know what that is I suggest you read their treaty , their credo. (I'm sure there's an English translation) I think it speaks for itself. It's not just a piece of paper, it's a plan they act upon - full of hate, antisemitic ideology, no hope for anyone that isn't a Muslin and with WORLD WIDE orientation. I'm not saying that - they do. When you read that, some of you might understand the tragic situation of the Palestinians and ours.
    Every time we opened the passages to give them everything they needed, the attacked them, killed or wounded our people or tried to. They are like a man almost falling into an abyss, asking me to help them and when I give them my hand they cut it off and then demand the other hand. And then the leg. They used the concrete we gave them, for tunnels through which they smuggled explosives, rockets and Iranian "experts". They used the fertilizers we gave them for agriculture to make explosive to arm those rockets and attack out civilians with them.
    As proof you can see now the hundreds and thousands of missles they made or smuggled during the last 6 months. They are also improved and we now have almost a million people under the threat of those missles. People keep mentioning only "a few" of us are dead whereas the Palastinians have many. I'm always shocked to realize people are actually saying we don't have "enough dead" to justify self defence. How long should we wait until we react? Should we accumulate 100's? 1000's? Will it THEN be justified? In the meanwhile we should leave hundreds of thousands of people to live with the daily rain of rockets? So a rocket only hits once every 50 times? and only hits a person one out of every 100 hits? Which one of you would like to live with such probabilities? With such odds? Would you like your kid to live with such probabilities? When you're in bed and the alarm starts, your kid is in the other room, do you think "nah'it's a 1 to 50 chance to get hit. I'll take the risk" How long would you agree to live with that threat, that blackmail - a day??? A week?? a month??

  • Posted By: Peace&Love1 @ 01/05/2009 5:48:59 PM

    no one is going to take a crack at my prevoius questions???????? come on...

    • Posted By: Wahhabi @ 01/05/2009 6:09:58 PM

      peaceandlove1,

      Here goes.

      I would recommend that Israel adopt the policies of the govt of the Sudan in dealing with those that disagree with their Islamic terrorist ideas.

      Since the Islamic terr govt came to power in 1989, they have killed over 3 million of their own citizens, driven another 4.5 million from their homes, and this does not even begin to account for the tens of thousands of rapes committed by these Devils on Horseback, aka Janaweed. Darfur is the 'Final Solution' for the Sudan.

      • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/05/2009 6:42:32 PM

        AN GOD FEARING AMERICA SAT BACK AN DID ABSOLUTELY ...NOTHING

        FREEDOM, TRUTH AND THE AMERICAN WAY...

        IF THEY ARE BLACK, LET THEM DIE.

        IF THEY ARE BOSNIAN, SERBIAN & CROATIAN...

        SEND IN THE TROOPS

        WITH THE EXCEPTION [THE REPUBLIC OF GEORGIA] THIS YEAR, BUT THAT WAS A SHORT LIVED AFFAIR.

        3 MILLION SUDANESE KILLED AND NOTHING.

        WOW, THAT'S STANDING UP TO HEINOUS CRIMES AND MAKING THEM PAY FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

        ROWANDA, THE SAME THING ...

        LET THEM DIE, THEY ARE BLACK !!

        THE MEXICANS ARE COMING, TO RECLAIM CALIFORNIA, TEXAS, THE MID WEST AND OTHER STATES IN THE UNION....

        I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE GOVERNMENT DO AS YOU SAY...

        I CAN'T WAIT.

        MORE PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN MEXICO THIS YEAR, THAN IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN WARS COMBINED AND THEY ARE GOING TO BRING THAT ELEMENT HERE...SOON

        LETS SEE YOUR LOGIC MANIFEST

        • Posted By: Wahhabi @ 01/05/2009 7:18:14 PM

          Omaar,

          There is an issue of Geography that differentiates these countries. The Sudan is iffy, but Rwanda is a positive match.

          Besides, there is the common sense factor.

          Many blame the US for screwing things up & making a mess, many say the US created these problems. Why can only the US set out to right some wrongs & stop evil in action. The Euros are praised for their diplomacy & sophistication and many say that the US should emulate the Euros. It is time for the US to step back. The Islamic terr govt in the Sudan gets their weapons from Russia & Communist China, & France when Chirac was in charge and in exchange they get cheap oil.

          Chirac, called Africa the 'Continent of Peace', Chirac held a peace conference in Africa to show opposition for the upcoming invasion of Iraq.

          As far as Bosnia, etc., goes, Bubba Clinton did not send troops to Bosnia until Tony Blair kicked him in the ***. Part of me wants to think Blair was the brain behind the invasion of Iraq, too many things have given me doubts about Bush's ability to organize something like that. Blair needed US troops as there aren't enough Brits.

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