A Plan of Attack For Peace

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  • Posted By: Desertisle @ 01/05/2009 1:48:52 PM

    Great article, it clearly shows that Isreal has to take responsibility for it's actions, as well as the Americans and the Europeans who decided that this country should exist in Middle East. As far as I can remember, Jews were without a country for hundreds of years, they settled in Eastern Europe without any issue until the Nazi Germany. So, why didn't Germany give up it's land for a Jewish nation, why remove a group of people without any issues with the Jewish community and make for way for something new? All this has created is more problems between a group of people that will effect the world, like it or not!

    • Posted By: DK777 @ 01/05/2009 2:10:11 PM

      Are you not able to read history for more than 60 years? Israel existed as a nation for thousands of years. Israel existed before Islam was created by Muhammad. No Muslim has any right at any time to the land of Israel. All Muslims should all go back to their original Arab states that they originally came from. The Palestinians have no right, no grievance, they never had a nation there, they all should go home.

  • Posted By: soncollins @ 01/05/2009 2:07:26 PM

    Considering the fact of Israels long and complicated history I would think that an Israeli or a Jew would be more sympathetic to the plight of human suffering no matter whom it involved. Personally I hope Israel rejects the pleas of the international community and destroys all of Gaza in turn they need to offer the civilians refuge. Lets all be realistic name calling (roach) or anything else has yet to ease tensions and since neither the Jews or palestinians are willing to compromise even in their own best interest shows you the self centeredness of each.
    What right do the Jew have to territory, houses or what ever that someone else lived or sacrificed for and what right do the palestinians have to say that Israel has no right to exist.

    I am an african american and I am truly tired of this. It amazes me how two cultures with basically a shared history can squabble of symantecs. Israel what you are doing is no better than what Hitler accomplished in World War II or apartheid is South Africa. Palestians please get your head out your *** Lets get real do you want a life for your children or not.

    Personally I would love to see a one state solution - I really think your underestimate your people when this is not considered also what do you think the rest of the nations around you would think about that.

  • Posted By: DK777 @ 01/05/2009 2:05:46 PM

    Israel and the Israelites existed and were there for thousands of years before the Muslim invaders came and called themselves Palestinians. "Palestinian grievance" is a myth, a fable, there is no such thing. No Muslim has any historical right to the land of Israel. Israel was there first, their first and second temples were there before Islam was created. Everyone knows the "Palenstinians" were just the poor and criminals from the other Muslim nations sent there after Israel RE-became a nation. HISTORY does not only go back 60 years, it goes back 6000.

  • Posted By: esajl @ 01/05/2009 2:05:07 PM

    The article is premature. It really should be written after the current crisis has been resolved. In my opinion, the present Israeli response is doomed to failure, for the same reason its response to Hezbollah in Lebanon was such a failure.

    The current cisis is the result of the parties being stuck in historical positions that contain the seeds of perpetual bloodshed and defeat of any peace initiative, including those posited in the article: the Islamic terrorists or their surrogates know that they can defeat any peace initiative by simply launching rocket attacks or suicide bombers on Israel soil, secure in the nowkledge that Israel will respond with overwhelming (some would say disproportionate) force that will inevitably result in loss of civilian lives; which, in turn, results in more hatred of Israel, more recruits to the terrorist cause, and, ultimately, to hatred of the US for defending Israel'.

    There IS a way to break this vicious cycle. As mentioned in the article, Israel has erected a securty fence or wall in certain areas in the West Bank. Although the wall is controversial, it has resulted in a modicum of stability in the areas in which it has been erected. My suggestion is to erect a modified version of the wall along all of Israel's borders. The modification is that the wall would be moveable. Israel could then negotiate territorial borders giving up virtually all of what the Palestinians demand, with one caveat: that for every rocket attack, suicide bomb or other attack on Israeli sovereignty the wall will be moved a given distance into whatever territory was the source of the attack. This would put the onus on the Gazians, Lebanese, Syrians, etc. to control their own people, because the response would be both knowable in advance, "nonviolent" (in that it will not resuklt in the indiscrimnate loss of life) and, at the same time, would deprive the hosts of their most precious commodity: territory for many of the most densely populated regions in the world. .

    This solution would permit Israel to take the high moral ground by responding nonviolently to attcaks on its sovereignty (or, at least, less violently than the actions they have historically taken). Best of all, the wall could be moved back to the negotiated border if conditions improve.

  • Posted By: flatland @ 01/05/2009 2:04:05 PM

    Eagles-Heart, who you are trying to convince with your uneducated and false history. It would do you good, if you go back and read the correct history. When you do read and educate yourself, please share with us your very important views, otherwise, please spare us the agony of reading this rubbish.

  • Posted By: aetoan @ 01/05/2009 2:03:13 PM

    Hiel Hitler, exterminate the Jews! What is going on when Europeans support Muslim groups, and countries, who want to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth? What would happen if a group in the U.S. wanted to wipe all Blacks of the face of the earth, who would support that? would the media?

  • Posted By: aboudalal @ 01/05/2009 2:01:35 PM

    israel doesnot want to give back what thye took by killing the palestenian people and kick out from there homes ,land and every thing they have .I wouild like to know when our american people going to understand the paletenians need to be FREE from accupation,FREE to do what any humen FREE to do and work , GO TO SCHOOL,RAISE A GOOD FAMILY.

  • Posted By: deserteagle99 @ 01/05/2009 1:42:48 PM

    You keep showing the Palestinians what it would take for you stupid reporters to start telling the truth, tell the world that the Palestinians are hostages of the Haman
    Why the Palestinians don???t fight the Hamas why they want Israel do the job for them and they complain about it a world full of stupid ignorant people that have no clue what is going on, and the blame is on you stupid reporters, you are just too afraid to tell the truth
    Afraid of the Muslim upraise all the governments in the western world are afraid of the Muslim cockroaches that invaded their countries that is why they lie and speak against Israel, all chicken *** politician with no balls,
    The other reason is that for generations the world got use to it that Jews are the scapegoat
    Of every trouble in the world now that we can stand up proud and can kick so Muslim ass
    The all world is against us
    We have the right to defend our land we should say free Israel from the cockroaches??? terrorists Palestine is a 21st century invention there were never people that called
    Palestinians any where in history
    They are the black sheep of the Muslim world no one in the Arab world wants any thing to do with them they are outcast of the Muslim countries. Every where they go the it???s like infestation they destroy Lebanon they were killed by king Husain of Jordan
    They produce nothing and do not contribute any thing to the world all the do is inbreed terrorists, the radical Arab counties help them to keep bugging Israel this is the only reason they get any kind of help any of you ???SMART reporters knows WHO is Civilian and WHO is HAMAS? Don???t kill civilians WHO are the civilians can you tell the different? Bunch of stupid reporters

    • Posted By: soncollins @ 01/05/2009 1:59:54 PM

      Considering the fact of Israels long and complicated history I would think that an Israeli or a Jew would be more sympathetic to the plight of human suffering no matter whom it involved. Personally I hope Israel rejects the pleas of the international community and destroys all of Gaza in turn they need to offer the civilians refuge. Lets all be realistic name calling (roach) or anything else has yet to ease tensions and since neither the Jews or palestinians are willing to compromise even in their own best interest shows you the self centeredness of each.
      What right do the Jew have to territory, houses or what ever that someone else lived or sacrificed for and what right do the palestinians have to say that Israel has no right to exist.

      I am an african american and I am truly tired of this. It amazes me how two cultures with basically a shared history can squabble of symantecs. Israel what you are doing is no better than what Hitler accomplished in World War II or apartheid is South Africa. Palestians please get your head out your *** Lets get real do you want a life for your children or not.

      Personally I would love to see a one state solution - I really think your underestimate your people when this is not considered also what do you think the rest of the nations around you would think about that.

  • Posted By: Mr. Jack A. @ 01/05/2009 1:54:01 PM

    I say give the Palestinians a home state in south florida.

    • Posted By: abbreviate @ 01/05/2009 1:58:03 PM

      Give me the money... and more... and more

  • Posted By: erahmo @ 01/05/2009 1:56:18 PM

    Right on Kmuhsen, and again the sad part is, its our tax dollars that pay for all these weapons. Stop the flow of money to any country that doesn't follow our peaceful intentions and they will come around.

  • Posted By: lt0302 @ 01/05/2009 1:55:46 PM

    First of all we are dealing with Hamas whose existence is solely to destroy Israel. Question is: What kind of talks would you conduct with somebody who wants you dead?........we are at a point that is kill or be killed. So Israel is doing what they should have done a long time ago..........wipe them out for good! That is reality like it or not. Talk is cheap especially in the middle east so time for deeds! So far it looks like Israel means business!

  • Posted By: erahmo @ 01/05/2009 1:52:30 PM

    Very good point Desertisle!

  • Posted By: Repubssuck @ 01/05/2009 10:04:17 AM

    Put U.N. or Nato troops to separate the israelis and Palestinians. Recognize the Palestinian as a Government and aid their rebuilding and commerce. Create a State that doesn't rely on Israeli business for it's success. The conflict will never end between Israel who wants to expand it's territory and rule over the Palestinians and the Palestinians who want to eliminate Isreal. Let's accept that and keep thep apart while treating both equally. To think we can end this conflict in arrogant and unintelligent.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 01/05/2009 10:18:06 AM

      I admit to some unintelligent comments at times, but arrogance? Never! Hi R-Happy 2009. Hope you had a great one!

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 01/05/2009 10:22:36 AM

        PS R- good comment.

        • Posted By: Repubssuck @ 01/05/2009 10:31:04 AM

          Hi Pia, My comment wasn't directed at anyone who has hope for a peaceful truce. Just saying the U.S.A. can't do it. Hope you are off to a good New Year too. South Beach was kickin'. the fireworks were unreal. Last day for the Christmas decorations.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 01/05/2009 1:51:26 PM

            Hi R! I knew that. I was kidding of course.

            Sounds like you had a great time!

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 01/05/2009 10:13:39 AM

      Yes. No one has ever gotten anywhere taking sides on the blame game. This alternative would have its problems too, but yours is the first to offer any kind of idea for a solution. Kudos.

  • Posted By: Theatre Lover @ 01/05/2009 1:50:46 PM

    "Americans" are so concerned about the Middle East yet most ignore that their USA still illegally holds the Black Hills of S. Dakota stolen from Lakota over a century ago. The reason is for greed of money, not something as noble as religion.
    Americans are hypocritical media sucklings.

  • Posted By: Mr. Jack A. @ 01/05/2009 1:50:40 PM

    Yes. There is a way out. Just as we provided a state for Israel we should set up a state for the palestinians in South Florida.

  • Posted By: erahmo @ 01/05/2009 1:49:01 PM

    Deseteagle99, i can tell your a very racist individual Tthank god my family immigrated to the United States, see in Israel there is no way i could have been as successful as i am today, the Israeli government would not have stood for it. I know the truth, it has been told to me since i could first understand language. Im not a religious person, my emotions are more humanitarian and political, so i cant really get into conversation with you on the Koran or whatever it is you believe. I can only say one thing, i really feel our new administration is going to put an end to this and Israel isn't going to like the outcome, they really have no choice in the matter, they wouldn't exist without my tax dollars anyways.

  • Posted By: Desertisle @ 01/05/2009 1:47:25 PM

    Great article, it clearly shows that Isreal has to take responsibility for it's actions, as well as the Americans and the Europeans who decided that this country should exist in Middle East. As far as I can remember, Jews were without a country for hundreds of years, they settled in Eastern Europe without any issue until the Nazi Germany. So, why didn't Germany give up it's land for a Jewish nation, why remove a group of people without any issues with the Jewish community and make for way for something new? All this has created is more problems between a group of people that will effect the world, like it or not!

  • Posted By: elsadina @ 01/05/2009 1:46:31 PM

    Everyone has failed to mention that what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people is absolutely against International Law. Israel is not accountable for human rights obligations. Since no one is even questioning this, apparently, Israel is above the law.
    ???The recent violence has reportedly cost more than 400 lives and left over 2,000 wounded?????? Klaidman, you forgot to mention that these lives affected are Palestinian lives, but what???s in a minor detail anyway?

  • Posted By: how about them cowboys @ 01/05/2009 1:42:56 PM

    What would happen if the muslems decided to take a state in America by force. And during the struggle they killen many Americans . How would we feel? We would fight back with any means that was possable. Well didnt the Jewish people do that to the Palestinianen people. Why can,t they work out a peacefull resolution by sharing the State with everyone? I guess that probally isn't possable because of all the hate for each other. It is just awfull to continue to kill each other.

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