A Plan of Attack For Peace

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  • Posted By: J_Gold @ 01/08/2009 10:33:26 AM

    Mr. Klaidman???s ???solution??? for bringing peace to the Mideast is as stale as week old bread. Let???s examine it article by article. Mr. Klaidman states that Israel needs to ???pull out of the vast majority of the Westbank.??? Let???s take a look at where territorial concessions have gotten Israel so far: Israel pulled out of the Sinai which is now used as one of Hamas??? main thoroughfares for smuggling rockets into Gaza. Israel pulled out of Southern Lebanon which is now controlled by Hezbollah, an organization dedicated to Israel???s destruction. Israel pulled out of Gaza which has in short order become hostile territory controlled by yet another organization whose sole reason for being is the destruction of Israel and from which thousands of missiles have been fired into Israel over the course of the past three years; 300 during the so-called cease fire. On the issue of security, Mr. Klaidman says that Palestinians ???would be allowed to maintain light arms to enforce domestic law and order but would not have offensive capabilities that could in any way threaten Israel.??? What about the missiles pointed at Israel from Southern Lebanon and the bomb being built by Iran? Does Mr. Klaidman honestly believe that these existential threats to the very existence of Israel would magically disappear if the Palestinians were given a few extra square miles of land? On the issue of Jerusalem, Mr. Klaidman endorses ???shared sovereignty??? and ???international supervision.??? Why is Israel the only country in the world being ask to share its capital with a hostile population? Jerusalem is the eternal capital of the Jewish people and will remain so, Mr. Klaidman???s desires notwithstanding. Finally, on the issue of refugees, Mr. Klaidman wants a ???small, symbolic number??? allowed to move to Israel. What makes Mr. Klaidman think that the Palestinians would settle for symbolism when their goal is the return of refugees to all of Israel? Mr. Klaidman clings to the age old notion that the Mideast dispute is about territory, but the history of the past 61 years belies that notion. The goal of the Palestinians, and their sponsors in Iran, Syria and Lebanon, is the destruction of Israel. And that is a goal, G-d willing, that will never come to pass.

  • Posted By: J_Gold @ 01/08/2009 10:32:33 AM

    Mr. Klaidman???s ???solution??? for bringing peace to the Mideast is as stale as week old bread. Let???s examine it article by article. Mr. Klaidman states that Israel needs to ???pull out of the vast majority of the Westbank.??? Let???s take a look at where territorial concessions have gotten Israel so far: Israel pulled out of the Sinai which is now used as one of Hamas??? main thoroughfares for smuggling rockets into Gaza. Israel pulled out of Southern Lebanon which is now controlled by Hezbollah, an organization dedicated to Israel???s destruction. Israel pulled out of Gaza which has in short order become hostile territory controlled by yet another organization whose sole reason for being is the destruction of Israel and from which thousands of missiles have been fired into Israel over the course of the past three years; 300 during the so-called cease fire. On the issue of security, Mr. Klaidman says that Palestinians ???would be allowed to maintain light arms to enforce domestic law and order but would not have offensive capabilities that could in any way threaten Israel.??? What about the missiles pointed at Israel from Southern Lebanon and the bomb being built by Iran? Does Mr. Klaidman honestly believe that these existential threats to the very existence of Israel would magically disappear if the Palestinians were given a few extra square miles of land? On the issue of Jerusalem, Mr. Klaidman endorses ???shared sovereignty??? and ???international supervision.??? Why is Israel the only country in the world being ask to share its capital with a hostile population? Jerusalem is the eternal capital of the Jewish people and will remain so, Mr. Klaidman???s desires notwithstanding. Finally, on the issue of refugees, Mr. Klaidman wants a ???small, symbolic number??? allowed to move to Israel. What makes Mr. Klaidman think that the Palestinians would settle for symbolism when their goal is the return of refugees to all of Israel? Mr. Klaidman clings to the age old notion that the Mideast dispute is about territory, but the history of the past 61 years belies that notion. The goal of the Palestinians, and their sponsors in Iran, Syria and Lebanon, is the destruction of Israel. And that is a goal, G-d willing, that will never come to pass.

  • Posted By: obama1991 @ 01/08/2009 8:48:33 AM

    Palestinians are using civilians as shields on purpose.
    They are liers and murderers.
    I would close the borders and never let them enter neither America,nor Europe.
    Let them choke on their land and oil and kill each other,because that's the only thing they can do.

  • Posted By: mahmmoud @ 01/08/2009 3:55:31 AM

    Israeli lie
    Israel is lying to the whole world and the war crimes committed against children and women, the latest massacre Fakhurah
    , And other atrocities committed against civilians in the Gaza Strip under the name of fighting terrorism
    This terrorism that Israel is terrorism
    Fighting and shelling by tanks and aircraft and internationally proscribed weapons
    All this in front of civilians and some of the men who defend their land, some poor shots in front of the Israeli war machine that kills without mercy and humanity and lie to the whole world and to prevent journalists from entering the Gaza Strip so as not to be revealed? Crimes against civilians
    Wake O people of the world

  • Posted By: Alienated @ 01/08/2009 3:53:04 AM

    The state of isreal never existed before 1948 when Belford gave the zionests Palestine, which totaly belongs to the Canaanite, the original People who lived in the area and the ancestors of the palestineans. The jews went to that area, after leaving Egypt, and they fought its people, the inhibitants of that area, when David killed Goliath. this means that land was not the land of the jews. Any ways this is not the case now thousands of children and women are dying and all we care about is putting the blame on Hamas or whoever. The world should forget about personal feelings and think in a larger frame. Imagine that these were ur kids or the women were ur wives or mothers? in the end those dead children are not the reason behind the war, why should they be the ones paying the price? why is Israel attacking civilans? dont convince me that the great, Us supported, Israeli army is not aware of the hididng places of the Hamas militants? who r they trying to fool
    Wake up please and try to be a bit fair

  • Posted By: CitieZen @ 01/08/2009 2:46:37 AM

    What does the Hamas want? It???s quite simple ??? They want ???points???. They way they get the points is by making the world hate Israel and ultimately hate the Jews (that is their fuel) and in order to get those points they are willing to sacrifice there own people mainly woman and children since it photographs ???well???.

  • Posted By: ROXANN @ 01/08/2009 12:45:32 AM

    Everybody wants peace in the middle-east. But for that to happen the Jews must constantly give up their land. The Jews are God's chosen people and God clearly stated in the bible what area of land is theirs. People have rejected God since the beginning of time and they hate the Jews for their blessings from God. Throughout history people have tried to destroy the Jewish race and God will not allow for it to happen because He will always leave a remnant behind.

  • Posted By: ross1972 @ 01/07/2009 6:47:47 PM

    How exactly does a mere 30 billion solve world hunger when the governments of these nations would sooner steal aid than help their people,?further it ends world hunger for how long?Six months,a year? Dont be naieve,theres a lot more to helping these ailing countries than simply providing aid.They are more than happy to suck the aid well dry while still managing to field armies and repress the citizens who oppose their kleptocratic rule.

    • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 6:57:50 PM

      For reference see: Somalia, Sudan, and Zimbabwe.

  • Posted By: atsegga @ 01/07/2009 6:20:36 PM

    The Borgen Project has informative statistics on addressing global poverty.

    $30 billion ends world hunger
    $550 billion is the US Defense budget

    This organization has the ability, resources, and policy-makers to suppress the threat of global poverty by enacting legislation here in the US, which is tied to the United Nation's Millennium Development Goals. Please support organizations such as The Borgen Project so that we may rid the world of poverty.

  • Posted By: Wahhabi @ 01/07/2009 3:24:04 PM

    Ludwig & other Islamic apologists,

    I use to think that Israel was irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The I realized that I was wrong, something that very seldom happens. My new view follows:

    "Whatever happens to Israel will happen to all infidels in due time"

    Israel is not the problem. The problem is Islam.

    Islam is at war with Animists (pagans), Buddhists, Christians (in Africa & Asia-not just the white ones), Hindus, of course the Jews, other Moslems, & many other smaller religious groups not mentioned. They live in peace with no one, not even themselves. If none of the above are not present, they keep their killing skills sharp by performing the most sacred Islamic sacrament- THE HONOR KILLING. ( caps are a sign of respect, I am not yelling)

    If Israel was the only problem, why is the same bunch of people at war with everyone else?

    The best place to examine the 'Religion of Peace' is to go to the Sudan. Darfur makes the news every so often, but Darfur is a joke. Darfur is province in the Sudan. Darfur is the only area of the Sudan that has not been cleansed of Apostates & Infidels. DARFUR is the FINAL SOLUTION. Who else had the Final Solution? Why it was the Moslem allies of WWII, - Hitler & the Nazis.

    Since 1989 when the Islamic terr govt seized power in the Sudan, over 3 million people have been killed, over 4.5 million others have been driven from their homes. This does not even begin to account for the tens of thousands of rapes & other violence. Legally, these really aren't rapes. When a Moslem captures a married woman, her marriage is automatically annulled, all that is really happening the Moslem terr is having sex with his wife & how can that be rape? In the Islamic culture, the woman does not have to consent to the marriage & when married, she does not have to consent to sex, it is her duty.

    • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 4:56:22 PM

      I agree with your assessment of Darfur. I have not heard that a 'captured' woman is no longer married and the rape is no longer rape though.

      • Posted By: ross1972 @ 01/07/2009 5:31:19 PM

        I have also not heard of this one but the truth is i would not be surprised by anything a religion can be used to justify. Check out DHIMMI WATCH or JIHAD WATCH.COM for updates on religious insanity.

  • Posted By: Getitout @ 01/07/2009 3:53:31 PM

    No. This area in the middle east will never be in peace unless Israel give up all occupy land from the Palestinians. I meam all. And that's been too generous. I can't anderstand that state audacity. Just because they think they are a super power in the area doesn't give them the right to intimidate their neighbors using such a force to impose on them what they want. They tend to forget that they the one that is occupying their land, not the other way around. The Isarelis are the victim of their own evil government, but not as much as the Palestinians suffering. No ceasefire, peace in the area will solve what is at stake. A Palestinians state is the main problem that need to be solved. For that Israel has to give up a vast land between Gaza and the West Bank. The odds for that to be accomplished is as good as me going to mars. Israel will never give up that land for anything in the world, peace or no peace. Generally speaking Israel will always find an excuse if the situation gets too close for any proposal that will include a Palestinian state. And if there is any ceasefire right now Israel will be back on the drawing board for her next engagement. Israel allowed a corridor in Gaza for humanitarian supplies, of course that includes Hamas unless they can tell the difference. Which I know they can't. Not anyone that fires at them is a Hamas. So Israel bombarded Gaza, went into the city killed over 600 women, children and men, wounding over 2000 women, children and men, and no sign of Hamas. Here goes Israel for some of you. An evil, and corrupt government its survival is supported by terrorst organization.

    • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 4:54:16 PM

      I would say almost the complete opposite. Just switch Israel with Hamas/Palestine and tweak the numbers and you have a more accurate picture. Close though.

  • Posted By: thussayeththelord @ 01/07/2009 4:50:45 PM

    There will never be peace in the Middle East, except possibly for 3 1/2 years, if the Bible can be interpreted this way. In any case, after that period of time, all HELL will break lose and then Jesus Christ will return witth his armies, and that will be that -- a photo finish.

  • Posted By: JoanR @ 01/07/2009 2:13:26 PM

    Will it end? Excellent question.Here is a suggested answer for you. It will end when the Amen corner of the Islamic terrorist network stops its transparent attempt to equate Israel's right of survival with the Jihadists right to murder Jews.When the Palestinians see that they will have no help in avoiding the consequences of electing a supporting murderous thugs,peace will have a chance.This, of course, will involve isolating and identifying the non Muslim ideologically antisemitic left who try to cover themselves with the fig leaf of "human rights" to conceal their vile ideological proclivity.Yes, indeed it can end

  • Posted By: ross1972 @ 01/07/2009 4:49:17 PM

    The combination of religion and stupidity is a truly horrific thing indeed.

  • Posted By: thussayeththelord @ 01/07/2009 11:53:08 AM

    Paulte, yes God does love all people but not all nations. God loves who He loves -- check it out brother. God loves Israel and has said that He will bless those who bless Israel and that He will utterly destroy all of Israel's enemies.

    • Posted By: paulte @ 01/07/2009 1:10:12 PM

      I really don't think God loves any nations per se. The term Israel in the Scriptural sense means the Chosen People, the Jews. But it is debatable whether the Jews remain the Chosen People after the Crucifixion when the temple veil was rent in two. In a sense they do, since God does not go back on his Word. But the Old Covenant was fulfilled in Christ.

      So now there is a New Covenant, open to all gentiles as well as Jews. I don't maintain as some do, that only Christians can be saved. Devout Jews who practice their religion will be saved provided they are truly invincibly ignorant of the truth of Christ. All the rest will perish in the flames of the netherworld. So why should God be concerned with the secular state of Israel on the earth today?

      • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 4:47:43 PM

        A good argument. Since it is folly to presume to fully understand the will of God in all things, the safe bet would be to assume His Word is still binding concerning the old Nation of Israel (stae or peoples?) as well as the current State of Israel. Just consider them all the Chosen People and treat them with respect, just as we the Gentiles are loved and save by Christ under the New Covenant.

  • Posted By: sypher297@hotmail.com @ 01/06/2009 10:44:24 PM

    thussayeththelord it's people like you, the fanatics in Israel and in the territories, that are at the root of the problem. In fact you're at the root of most of the worlds problems. Nothing in the history of mankind comes close to religion for the number of people murdered in it's name. Education, science, technology, and commerce are the way out of the small minded dogmas and violence of the past not looking to some make believe myth in the sky. Your "God" and "bible" are full of hate and evil do not presume to judge anyone else for not following your narrow bigoted dogma.

    • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 4:36:17 PM

      Spoken like someone who knows nothing of God or the Bible. Prejudice against people of faith may not have a catchy PC title like 'racism', but it is still just as despicable.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 01/06/2009 5:56:39 PM

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    http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world.html

    It was sent to me. I almost did not listen to it because it is 17 minutes long. It is not silly or kooky. It is an interesting and uplifting presentation about one aspect of the web of life I knew nothing about. Surely there is more for us to learn about many things.

    I believe most who invest the time, will be glad they did. To the rest of you.... :-)

    • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/07/2009 4:14:08 PM

      That was an awesome video, alot of it sounds promising.

  • Posted By: windrider @ 01/07/2009 1:39:51 PM

    Because there is nothing to say;la crédibilité de votre civilisation est mise en cause.l'humanté a reculé dans son progrés par rapport a l'ere d'Hitler.

    • Posted By: Wahhabi @ 01/07/2009 3:06:07 PM

      ludwig,

      Are you from the part of France that surrendered to Hitler & later set up the French concentration/death camp at Natzviller; or are you from the part of France that allied themselves with Hitler & the Nazis?

      We must remember the the Moslem Arabs allied themselves with Hitler during WWII. They are lucky they got any land at all from the Allies/UN.

  • Posted By: LudwigVanBeet @ 01/07/2009 12:33:57 PM

    Someday when the ignorant multitudes realize that the Bible is a Book of Jewish fairy Tales, it will be the end of the Israelis hiding behind the Christian ignorance. The Jews have played it for all it is worth.

    • Posted By: Wahhabi @ 01/07/2009 2:39:11 PM

      To Ludwig & other wictimes of the Jews,

      If you are a victim of Jewish brainwashing, it was a very small load of wash.

      If you are a victime of Jewish mind control, you are weak minded, if there is a mind to control.

      If you are a vitic of Jewish domination, you are weak, useless, & generally a threat to yourself & others & need to be institutionalized.

      • Posted By: Wahhabi @ 01/07/2009 3:02:49 PM

        Wahhabi,

        Excuse my typos, the computer was misbehaving & I could not see the whole comment screen when I typed in by thoughts.

  • Posted By: dror ben ami @ 01/07/2009 2:27:07 PM

    Be serious Newsweek. Why aren't you asking: when the war in Iraq will end ? What is the total of Iraqi civilians killed since 2003. What is the total of Iraqi civilians killed this month? Didn't the British fire bomb Hamburg and Dresden killing tens of thousands of civilians within a few hours ? CNN and BBC devoted 24 hour coverage to the war in Iraqi. Everytime an Iraqi was killed their reporters had orgasisms on screen. Now, all of a sudden, these same war mongers find killing repulsive. Please, stop the lies.

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