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  • Posted By: gkahnct @ 01/07/2009 1:07:36 PM

    If there is to be peace, then why can't Hamas quit sending over the rockets and work Israel instead of digging tunnels to transport weapons. Why can't they work together to have the next generation grow up not being scared and hated. How long is Israel supposed to let the rockets come , knowing that the tunnels and supplies are there?

    Israel is here to stay and so are the Palestinians, so maybe the militants need to back out, go somewhere else and let reason set in. Maybe Hamas needs to want peace more than violence .

    • Posted By: shakeyjake @ 01/07/2009 1:29:56 PM

      gkahnct,
      Why did hamas send rockets in the first palce?
      you ask how long should Israel continue to rocket hamas? till there is no hamas.
      Hamas does'nt want peace! why is that so hard to understand?

      • Posted By: one world @ 01/07/2009 1:36:39 PM

        let me ask you what is hard to understand....how does israel want peace if they act like gaza is a prison, policing the borders, sea, and air, when they keep building settlements on palestinian land, and have airel sharon go visit the most holliest site to all the religions inciting violence....tell me again how israel wants peace so bad.

  • Posted By: gkahnct @ 01/07/2009 1:20:51 PM

    It seems odd to me that after Israel gave Gaza back with hopes of peace and building a lasting peace that Hamas has dug tunnels to funnel their rockets into Gaza so they can launch them into Israel. Hamas is not helping their people, nor are they really looking for peace. So how is Israel supposed to protect themselves and work on a lasting peace when the militants backed by Iran and other hostile nations still do not recognize the right of Israel to live in peace. The rockets have been flying, how long does Israel have to take this? Do they let Hamas build the arsenal up with more powerful rockets, so that mass destruction can occur.

    Peace will occur when the militants finally love their children and families more than they love violence. This is not what Israel or the world wants. Violence and hatred of the Infidels is the mo of the terrorists. And why is Israel being asked to deal with terrorists. No one wants to and mainstream Arabs and Israelis want to live in peace. These are thugs terrorizing their own people and the world.

    • Posted By: forjustice @ 01/07/2009 1:34:22 PM

      ThThis is exactly what I mean by Chicken and Egg game: who stops first, Hamas launching Rockets or Israel correcting its 60 year occupation and setllement expansion? If history is any guide, this is the path of mutual destruction. For mutual construction and advancement, you need to really (and not just lip service) attend to the legitimate rights and grievances of others, both the Palesitinians and the israelis. [Otherwise, I fail to understand the difference between Isareli Army trying to exterminate Hamas and Hamas wanting to annihilate Israel].

  • Posted By: Rastafari7 @ 01/07/2009 1:20:03 PM

    That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained; And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique and in South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed; Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will; Until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven; Until that day, the African continent will not know peace. We Africans will fight, if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil.

  • Posted By: Rastafari7 @ 01/07/2009 1:06:16 PM

    ???Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph.???

    Emperor Haile Selassie I
    Kings of Kings
    Lord of Lords

  • Posted By: gweg @ 01/07/2009 12:12:54 PM

    People,Today we have more proof that Hamas is using the Palestinian people as human shields again. Witnesses have come forward and stated to AP by phones from the UN school site that they did. Does the Arab nations care at all. the answer is NO. Do they acknowledge it NO. Do they call that a so called war crime NO. Seems funny to me that the Arab nations only acknowledge what they perceive as helpful. another thing there is NO proportionate response in war times. there is NO time to stop and set up food lines either. In WWII people hid as best they could and took protection as well as they could for their families. Today we have HAMAS a TERRORIST ORG the Palestinians voted in to lead them HIDING in civilian clothes and from behind the civilians used as shields than publishing picture they take to make other unsuspecting sheep take up their side. People Don't be a sheep!

  • Posted By: shakeyjake @ 01/07/2009 11:59:13 AM

    There can be no peace for a faction that wants no peace. Israel has every right to defend itself and if attacked they must not stop until the enemy that wants to bring an end to Israel is destroyed by any means possible. Is it a tragedy? yes but hamas is too stupid to live in peace Israel must invade and remove hamas by force before those monkeys in iran provide them with much larger weapons.

  • Posted By: Americanpatriot911 @ 01/07/2009 11:49:12 AM

    You are extremely ignorant abbreviate. I was only stating the facts of history, of which you are obviously not well read. Mein Kampf you obviously never read either or you wouldn't have made such a stupid comment. I am as far from racist as one can be and you obviuosly didn't listen to what i had to say. As far as the spelling mistake, it was one, the word grateful, sorry i am not as perfect as you.

  • Posted By: Americanpatriot911 @ 01/07/2009 9:18:12 AM

    I hear this arguement that Hamas only fired rockets into Isreal because they sealed the boarders, but that is hogwash. They have stated time and again that the only solution is the destruction of Isreal. Iran and Syria want the same objective met which is why they back Hamas. We should have have bombed iran and Syria instead of Iraq. Also, if people will remember, Isreal used to let the palestinians work in their cities, but had to end it because they kept strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up Isreali's. Palestinians should take their collective heads out of the sand and realize that they are suffering because of there own government. The palestinian authority has been given 100's of millions of dollars and wasted it on themselves, instead of building better infrastructure for their people. The only ones to blame are the Palestinians themselves. They keep saying that the Jews took their land from them, but it was the Jews that had the land taken from them to begin with. This land was the Isreali's land since the begining of man and was taken from them by the romans, the babylonians, the british, and the muslims.

    • Posted By: TheGardener @ 01/07/2009 11:38:32 AM

      If we didn't live in the era where communication is instant and the journalists are obsessed with sensational journalism the problem would have been solved in the 1970s. Israel would have gotten rid of the problem ever since Arafat turned up as the antagonizer. There was no Palestinian problem before Arafat. The UN and the International community created it. Tax monies from the Europeans were paid to this new artificial problem for the past 40 years. The onlooker in the West is being fooled by sensational journalism. Israel is weak with propaganda PR, while the Islamic Propaganda Machine is very sophisticated and operates from within the UN. Hamas has a Covenant which swears to the destruction of Israel. The UN makes resolutions supporting the destruction of Israel and the Media is being taken for a ride. When push comes to shove and one analyzes the true nature of this Islamic beast, it is not Israel but the Islamic Conquering Machine managed from the UN which determines how long this misery continues. The Media could put an end to it all by truly reporting the historic facts.

  • Posted By: Erising @ 01/07/2009 11:34:15 AM

    I am responding to Rasham's comments. I do not think Israel is using a disproportionate or exessive use of force against Hamas. It is absolutely absurd to suggest this. Let's bring this a little bit closer to home for you, wherever home may be. Let's just say your neighbor who hates you unto death has 10 kids and he begins to attack your home by throwing explosive rockets that can kill you and your family and then hide behind his family so you can't get him, what would you do, Mr. Rasham? I want peace, but not at the cost of my family living in constant fear for their lives. By the way, I am not a Jew and I don't live in Israel. This is not a display of might on the part of the Israelis, it is a display of their right and resolve to defend their civilians against terrorist attacks from Hamas. I think the Palestinian people should revolt againts Hamas and put in a new government that will lead them in the path to a lasting peace and prosperity!

  • Posted By: Erising @ 01/07/2009 11:31:53 AM

    I am responding to Rasham's comments. I do not think Israel is using a disproportionate or exessive use of force against Hamas. It is absolutely absurd to suggest this. Let's bring this a little bit closer to home for you, wherever home may be. Let's just say your neighbor who hates you unto death has 10 kids and he begins to attack your home by throwing explosive rockets that can kill you and your family and then hide behind his family so you can't get him, what would you do, Mr. Rasham? I want peace, but not at the cost of my family living in constant fear for their lives. By the way, I am not a Jew and I don't live in Israel. This is not a display of might on the part of the Israelis, it is a display of their right and resolve to defend their civilians against terrorist attacks from Hamas. I think the Palestinian people should revolt againts Hamas and put in a new government that will lead them in the path to a lasting peace and prosperity!

  • Posted By: Erising @ 01/07/2009 11:30:11 AM

    I am responding to Rasham's comments. I do not think Israel is using a disproportionate or exessive use of force against Hamas. It is absolutely absurd to suggest this. Let's bring this a little bit closer to home for you, wherever home may be. Let's just say your neighbor who hates you unto death has 10 kids and he begins to attack your home by throwing explosive rockets that can kill you and your family and then hide behind his family so you can't get him, what would you do, Mr. Rasham? I want peace, but not at the cost of my family living in constant fear for their lives. By the way, I am not a Jew and I don't live in Israel. This is not a display of might on the part of the Israelis, it is a display of their right and resolve to defend their civilians against terrorist attacks from Hamas. I think the Palestinian people should revolt againts Hamas and put in a new government that will lead them in the path to a lasting peace and prosperity!

  • Posted By: DrewCAENG @ 01/07/2009 11:24:46 AM

    Furthermore I have heard a lot of criticism towards Israel but no one on any internet post or TV or an editorial I???ve read has yet to offer an idea as to what they should have done instead. Maybe someone on here can come up with a better way to deal with fundamentalist extremist who place their own people at risk, consider it a privilege to die for Islam. Pick fights they know they can???t win just so people all over the world like mesonto down here see images of dead kids and hate Israel for it. Meanwhile lobbing missiles aimed at civilians into Israel on a daily basis. What you have done Mesonto or any of you other retards out there?

  • Posted By: Americanpatriot911 @ 01/07/2009 10:22:46 AM

    So what are you trying to say abbreviate? That your a racist?

    • Posted By: abbreviate @ 01/07/2009 11:24:19 AM

      No. Mein Kampf is already written and you do not need to rewrite it. Especially with spelling mistakes.

  • Posted By: DrewCAENG @ 01/07/2009 11:16:24 AM

    Your a simple moron Mesanto. This isnt about fairness it is about stability, which Hamas clearly doesnt want. Yes the fight is unfair, well done, gold star for u.

    It is tragic and terrible but we are talking about placing blame here and looking at the social and historical impacts of this conflict, not just the size of the weapons each side has. A hamas rocket landed in an Israeli kindergarten yesterday. No kids were present but if they were and 60 of them died would you still be singing the same tune? My point is that just because Hamas lacks the capacity (right now) to hurt Isreal that doesnt mean Isreal shouldnt defend herself, hello it is in their charter that calls for their destruction! . Maybe read some history or look at the situation not just the terrible pictures on TV. If it was a fair fight Isreal wouldnt have had the chance to negotiate because Hamas would blow them away without any disregard for peace or civilian life. There religion and charter calls for it. Dumb A** stay away from things you dont understand or are to stupid to comprehend

  • Posted By: Rasham @ 01/07/2009 6:24:27 AM

    DrewCaeng, are you stupid?seriously??!!! who doesnt love his kids more than anyhting???if you are inhumane enough not to love your family then its your problem. I'm a Palestinian and my family means the world to me but when you live like us...whe you are killed and imprisoned on a daily basis with no one around to care you'll understand how we feel. HUNDREDS of people are dying!!! children!!! innocent people are killed by the ISraeli terrorist army!!!! and everyone is watching!!! go into your safe house, with your family all intact, and drink and party and just SHUT UP!!!

    • Posted By: DrewCAENG @ 01/07/2009 9:11:28 AM

      Dont take out your anger on me buddy - Why elect Hamas when their charter calls for the destruction of Isreal, that will only lead to conflict dont you think? Yes, Isreal economic policies need to be looked at and the situation is terrible for both sides. But dont you think Hamas should have tried a different approach to begin with? Who hides weapons and launches missles in and from civilian areas? I know Gaza is small but if Hamas really cared about their people they wouldnt fight amoung them! I'll tell you why they dont love their kids Rasham. Simple, according to them to die for Islam and the fight agaisnt "infidels" is a ticket to heaven in their eyes. A Hamas leader recently was quoted as saying that they value death as westerners value life. Are you going to sit there and tell me Hamas didnt think Gaza civilians would be killed by provoking Isreal? Are you retarded? Isreal has had over 10,000 rockets launched at them over the last few years alone. What country wouldnt protect itself? Or should they wait for Hamas to become more accurate so the response is "even or justified" With you logic the number of dead would be twice as much. Go suck some Hamas D*ck if you are to feeble and simple to think for yourself and realize that the ideological religous BS of a few are killing many.

      • Posted By: mesonto @ 01/07/2009 10:53:40 AM

        DrewCAENG, you are an *ss. I am sure if you were living the Palestinian experience you would not be writing the drivel you have. The current situation is clear, the Palestinians fight with sling shots and the Israeli military destroy them from overhead with bombs that are capable and do wipe civilians off the map. I am sure if it were a fair fight Israel would be a lot quicker to the mediation table.

  • Posted By: Americanpatriot911 @ 01/07/2009 10:14:28 AM

    Simply put, if the Palestinians stop supporting terrorism, then they can dramatically change their lives for the better.

  • Posted By: Americanpatriot911 @ 01/07/2009 9:55:00 AM

    Great points Drew- To the Palestinians out there and those who back them,
    When are the Palestinians going to take responsibilty for their own suffering? Isreal pulled back and gave you the land you were asking for, millions of dollars were poured into your country, and you all had the opportunity to work in Isreal, yet your still living in sub-standard conditions, Why? Because you do not strive for a better future, you blame all your problems on everyone else instead of looking inward. you teach your children to hate instead of teaching them to strive for a better future, you let extremists run your governments and cities by giving them support and sending your children out with bombs strapped to there chests. Your children do this willingly because of the lies and propaganda fed to them in their schools and homes. You are the ones to blame for your predicament, and only you can change it. Not thru terrorism and the annihilation of jews, but through hard work and a common goal for a better future.
    The Palestinians should be greatfull for the land they now have, they are a people that were nomads and have been kicked out of every Arab country around them, yet they blame the Jews for regaining control of a land that has always been theirs, not just the last 60 years.
    all these Arab countries condemn Isreal when they retaliate, but not one of them would want these people on their land which is why they drove them out over the centuries.

    • Posted By: abbreviate @ 01/07/2009 10:13:51 AM

      Mein Kampf, due to its racist content and the historical impact of Nazism upon Europe during the Second World War and the Holocaust, is considered a highly controversial book.

  • Posted By: DrewCAENG @ 01/07/2009 9:30:55 AM

    Amen patriot - Well put this is religious intollorence and nothing more, Why do you think the other moderate Arab nations arent helping in Gaza? -Because they arent in the mood for fighting a religous war. Your also right about the Gaza population blowing themselves up in Isreal but lets not forget that Isreal also walked out of Gaza in 2005 to much sadness of the Isreali population living there. Why didnt the other Arab nations take in the Palestinians just as Isreal took in Jews from all over the world? And the final question? If Hamas had nukes would Tel Aviv be around today? No it wouldnt be they would fire on Isreal without a second thought until nobody on any side was left because they are simpltons obsessed with a fantatical religion. Simply put if they had Isreali military capactiy they wouldnt hold back yet Isreal is able to show at least moderate restraint and co-oporate on a 21st century level. F*ck em

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/07/2009 8:55:28 AM

    Majorie Cohn: Of the Huffington Post Today Writes...


    The targeting of civilians violates the Fourth Geneva Convention.

    Since the rockets fired from Gaza into Israel cannot distinguish between civilians and military targets, they are illegal.

    But Israel's air and ground attack in Gaza violates Geneva in four ways.

    First, it constitutes collective punishment of the entire population in Gaza for the acts of a few militants. Second, it targets civilians, as evidenced by the large numbers of civilian casualties. Third, it is a disproportionate response to the rockets fired into Israel.

    Fourth, an occupying power has an obligation to ensure food and medical supplies to the occupied population; Israel's blockade has created a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

    Israel's airstrikes and ground assault on the people of Gaza have little to do with the Gazan rockets, which hadn't killed any Israelis for a year before Israel's current military operation. Israel's leaders are bombing and attacking Gaza in order to gain an advantage in the upcoming Israeli elections in February.

    Foreign Minister Tsipi Livni is locked in a tight race with Benyamin Netanyahu, who has criticized Livni for her "soft" treatment of the Palestinians.

    The Israeli government seeks to do as much damage as possible to Gaza while Bush is still in office. The New York Times cited several Middle East experts who "believe that Israel timed its move against Hamas, which began on Dec. 26, 25 days before Mr. Bush leaves office, with the expectation of such backing in Washington." Obama, in spite of his unequivocal support for the policies of Israel during the campaign and his deafening silence about the recent casualties, is an unknown quantity.

    Israel would be unable to carry out its aggressive policies in Gaza without the support of the United States, which gives Israel $3 billion in U.S. taxpayer money each year. The F-16 bombers and Apache attack helicopters Israel is using on Gaza were bought with U.S. money.

    The War on Gaza also Violates U.S.Law.

    The Human Rights and Security Assistance Act mandates that the United States cease all military aid to Israel, which has engaged in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.

    The Arms Export Control Act prohibits U.S. weapons from being used for any purpose other than inside the borders of a country for self-defense.

    Targeting schools, police stations and television broadcast centers is not self-defense.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 01/07/2009 8:53:25 AM

    Majorie Cohn: Of the Huffington Post Today Writes..

    Since Israel began its War on Gaza 11 days ago, more than 560 Palestinians -- about a quarter of them Civilians -- have been Killed. SomeTwo thousand Gazans, including hundreds of Children, have been wounded.

    Israel's "Operation Cast Lead" marks an escalation of Israel's two-year blockade of the Gaza Strip which has DEPRIVED 1.5 million Palestinians of necessary food, medicine, fuel and other necessities.

    Extermination: Israel is allegedly using White Phosphorous Gas, an Illegal Chemical Weapon that Burns to the Bone. Dr. Mads Gilbert, a member of a Norwegian triage medical team working in Gaza, has documented Israel's use of Dense Inert Metal Explosive (DIME), which cuts its victims in to PIECES and reportedly causes CANCER in SURVIVORS. Gilbert, who has worked in several conflict zones, said the situation in Gaza is the worst he has ever seen.

    Two United Nations schools have been hit by air strikes, killing at least 30 people. The New York Times reported on Monday that Gazan hospitals are full of civilians, not Hamas fighters.

    Big Note: The targeting of civilians violates the Fourth Geneva Convention. Since the rockets fired from Gaza into Israel cannot distinguish between civilians and military targets, they are illegal.

    But Israel's air and ground attack in Gaza violates Geneva in four ways.

    First, it constitutes collective punishment of the entire population in Gaza for the acts of a few militants. Second, it targets civilians, as evidenced by the large numbers of civilian casualties.

    Third, it is a disproportionate response to the rockets fired into Israel. Fourth, an occupying power has an obligation to ensure food and medical supplies to the occupied population; Israel's blockade has created a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

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