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The Day After

With Hamas under siege, secular Fatah mulls its next move.

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  • Posted By: dari @ 01/07/2009 11:25:11 PM

    I hope Israel fights long and hard to break the Hamas hold on Gaza. Forget about a 3 hour truce to re-supply the enemy because this is a war. A war that the Hamas brought upon themselves. The people that the Hamas are hiding behind voted the Hamas into office and then let them take over Gaza. Therefore why should they be given special privledges during a war can somebody answere that?

    • Posted By: froy1100 @ 01/08/2009 12:44:05 PM

      You can't wipe out Hamas, you dunce. They would have to kill every man and child in Gaza, and not even the blindly supportive US will tolerate that. The rockets will keep coming after the IDF leaves, they are too easy to make and launch, and Palestinians will be angrier than ever. Tzipi and her pals already knew this from the beginning, but it makes for great electoral propaganda.

      • Posted By: Forty4 @ 01/11/2009 4:51:59 PM

        Idiot, dari didn't say wipe out Hamas, s/he said for Israel to break the Hamas hold.

        As long as Hamas keeps lobbing rockets into Israel they will continue to get their asses kicked. Their choice.

  • Posted By: Peace&Love1 @ 01/09/2009 4:41:38 PM

    Likeitis:
    I don???t know where to begin. But I???ll take a crack it. you say
    THE JEWS DID NOT PLACE THIER OWN CHILDREN IN HARMS WAY FOR(YOU'LL LOVE THIS ONE) THE EMOTIONAL REACTION TO THEM HAVING BEEN KILLED (HYPERBOLE-BOY)!
    That mean the Palestinians are willing to have their own children blown to pieces for the mere ???EMOTIONAL REACTION???. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA you clearly don???t have kids
    BUT IF YOU WERE TO FACE THE LIFE THE ISRAELIS DO .........DAILY....................YOU WOULD REALIZE................THE PALESTINIANS ARE NOT THE MEEK!
    I???m not going to even comment on this one. I think the world even the jews know the realties.
    THE JEWS DID NOT TURN DOWN (PROBABLY 50) CHANCES AT ANY SORT OF PEACE AGREEMENT WITH THE NATZIS!
    Why? Because they wanted 100%. They controlled everything like they do here. Why did the Nazis??? hate the Jews so much? For that very same reason.
    I think most intellectuals agree that history tends to repeat itself. Its only time before the American public wakes up and starts asking the right questions. Why is it that the US is always the only country to defend the Israelis? Is that because the rest of the world is anti-Semitic

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/10/2009 5:23:04 PM

      Idiot.

  • Posted By: lovejusticepeace @ 01/10/2009 4:53:38 AM

    Fatah is a terrorist organisation(sic) like Hamas. Fatah cadres were involved in the Munich Olympics massacre and the Intifada.Fatah is playing an intelligent game of getting entrenched in the liberated areas of West Bank and Gaza. Then it can go for the rest of Palestine when the time comes.

    • Posted By: BOFORCE @ 01/10/2009 8:43:44 AM

      Irgun and Haganah was also palastinian terrorist organisations....LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLz

  • Posted By: Evoluted1 @ 01/08/2009 8:27:22 PM

    If someone announces that they want me dead and my country in ruins, and sets about trying to accomplish it, my thought would be to kill 'em back first. That is what Israel is doing, and I say more power to them. Hamas does not live up to agreements, they bide their time until they can kill again. Screw that, finish the job now!

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/09/2009 8:14:32 PM

      It was more than 50 years ago when in esponse to constant Palestinian terror from the Egypt Gaza Ben Gurion sent Sharon with order: kill as many as possible, destroy as much as you can" Sharon did it, and atttacks stopped. These anumals understand only force, any generosity to them is considered as weakness.

  • Posted By: acdayrit @ 01/09/2009 6:15:48 AM

    From victim to neo-Nazis....this is what has become of the israelis. If Hitler was alive, he would be proud to have them as his stooges especially the way they are exterminating the Palestinians.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/09/2009 8:09:32 PM

      He would say "What are these idiots doing? Just carpet-bomb and completely destroy Gaza and Damask - no more problems". I know that it is also your dream, only Tel Aviv and Haifa instead of Gaza and Damask, but your Allah probably is not so great - forget to provide you with enough brain to realize you cannibal dreams.

  • Posted By: MBrando @ 01/09/2009 10:53:26 AM

    Some commentators are using God to justify the massacre going on in Gaza, which God is this? Nothing on earth can justify the killing of babies, childrens, womens, and elderly's. What's going on in Gaza right now is a genocide, even the Nazis and the Fascists throughout the history did not commit such atrocities.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/09/2009 8:01:50 PM

      Then why your Arab brothers kill 100 more Palestinians than Israelis ever did? It is not wxhaderation, Arabs massacred more than 500000 Palestinians for last 60 years.

    • Posted By: abbreviate @ 01/09/2009 11:07:24 AM

      Actually they did. And it is one more similarity between current Israel rulers and Nazis.

  • Posted By: Jazzbojesus @ 01/09/2009 11:04:58 AM

    As much as I sympathize with the Palestinian people, it seems they do everything pissible to make their own lives more miserable.

    They've blown several opportunities in the past for their own nation. You have to ask yourself why.


    No country would put up with missles raining down on their own people. Just seeing Israel's response in Lebanon should have warned Hamas what was to happen. I just can't see how Hamas cares about its own people when they invite such destruction. They are never going to get what they want in totality.

    I think Israel would rather nuke Palestine than let it fall to extremists. That dark day may happen if a lasting peace can't be achieved.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/09/2009 7:58:58 PM

      "everything pissible" - good expression. I would also say "everithing poopable".

  • Posted By: rmc91180 @ 01/09/2009 11:33:20 AM

    For all the Israel bashers out there, please think for a minute. Where have you been in your crying for civilian well-being for the past eight years when Hamas has rained rockets on Israeli cities on a daily basis? Why were you not crying out then? And if you think that other countries don't do much more than Israel is doing now in order to suppress what they define as terrorism, you are mistaken. You only must look toward US operations in Afghanistan where civilian targets are bombed at the slightest hint of Taliban presence, or Turkey where Kurd separatists are killed regardless of military orientation. The Allies bombed entire cities during WWII in Europe in the hope of bringing Hitler to his knees. Hamas is the governing entity in Gaza and supported by the population. Gaza is thus the only recognized territory in the world governed by an internationally designated terrorist group. Hamas also does not recognize Israel's right to exist. How do you think any other country, all Western countries included, would react if it was attacked by a terrorist group that wasn't only separatist (which is bad enough - witness previously mentioned Turkey, atrocities committed by the UK in retaliation against IRA activities, etc) but intent on destroying its entire existence.
    For anyone familiar with Nazi activities, it is abundantly clear that any comparison between them and Israel is pure propaganda rooted in hatred. Israel takes Palestinian sick and wounded into its hospitals and treats them, even when those wounded are terrorists rescued by soldiers from tunnels full of explosives aimed at killing those same soldiers or people hit by missiles fired at Israel but missing their targets and hitting Palestinian civilians. What other country in the world would do that? Pray tell. This is a war for peace in Israel and anyone who says otherwise is speaking purely out of ignorance, or worse, out of hate.

    • Posted By: abbreviate @ 01/09/2009 12:02:47 PM

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28573204/

      Israeli strikes killed two drivers for UNRWA and injured a third in marked vehicles, U.N. officials say.
      Even Nazis respected red cross. I am sorry, current Israeli rulers are worse.

      • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/09/2009 7:56:56 PM

        Most likely Hamas did it. Becides, they were Palestinians, 3 more, 3 less - what the difference?

    • Posted By: MBrando @ 01/09/2009 12:12:08 PM

      The terrorist is the one with the small bomb would say Brendan Behan, your comment is full of lies and misinformation. First of all the allies bombed some cities to bring Hitler to his knees like you said after warning the populations and giving them enough time to leave the premisses, the allies were targeting the military not the civilians. Gaza is different story, Gaza is under occupation and under siege, the population is traped between the medteranean see and the israeli tanks. It's a collective punishment because the Gazans choose to vote for Hamas. By waging a war of extermination against the Gazans, Israel is not seeking peace, Israel is seeking to destroy an elected government by it's puppets from Fatah. You can not fool the audience.
      Israel is a terrorist state, this is not coming from ignorance or hatered as you mentioned, this is coming from facts. The Geneva Convention is clear, a population under occupation should be protected by the occupier. What's going on now is a genocide, Israel is targeting places knowingly populated by innocent civilians.



      • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/09/2009 7:55:02 PM

        Israel does not want to exterminate all Gazans, only dogs. If dogs chose to hide behind or even under their beaches and puppies - too bad.

      • Posted By: MBrando @ 01/09/2009 12:20:33 PM

        Israel is seeking to destroy an elected government and replace it by it's puppets from Fatah.

  • Posted By: Peace&Love1 @ 01/09/2009 3:23:56 PM

    I am F***ing sick of hearing the ???what would you do if your country was being attacked with missiles from Mexico or Canada??? and Israel has a right to defend itself!!! Hamas broke the cease fire, etc.
    Lets get the facts straight.
    Gaza is not like Canada or Mexico. The REAL QUESTION SHOULD BE:
    What would the Canadian or Mexican people do if their country was completely controlled and blockaded(air, land, and sea) by the US. Would they just sit there and take it. Would they let their people starve and die from lack of medication and power?
    Hamas was the democratically elected government. They have a right to defend their people I think. I???ll tell you what I would do if my kids were starving because of another group of people(animals), I would kill as many as I can. I???m sure every person in the world would do the same. These are the facts. I love how the American Jews change the facts to make the Israelis look like the victims and to keep the biggest financial and military aid flowing. I cant wait for the American people; like the rest of the world, to wake up. That is when peace will be achieved in the Middle East.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/09/2009 7:51:24 PM

      "What would the Canadian or Mexican people do if their country was completely controlled and blockaded(air, land, and sea) by the US":
      They would ask forgiveness for firing rockets on USA civilians, admit that California and Texas are part of USA, make obligation never fire rockets again, allow foreign observers to monitor peace, and in return will get back their peaceful and relatively prosperous life.

  • Posted By: pjmarnj @ 01/07/2009 11:59:26 PM

    Hamas wants war. If they wanted to help the Palestinians, it would use the money for schools, roads, businesses and jobs not bombs. It has to prove it is a reliable partner for peace. Is this too hard to understand?

    • Posted By: froy1100 @ 01/08/2009 12:46:19 PM

      What money?? Israel pushed for a total economical blockade of Hamas' government after they won the elections in 2006, and after they took over gaza they imposed their infamous siege. Do you expect them to build schools and roads with donkey dung? What a hypocrite!

      • Posted By: MexiBear @ 01/09/2009 1:12:10 PM

        I gui guess thosHmm, Money? I guess all those rockets they send the Israelis are free?

        • Posted By: froy1100 @ 01/09/2009 6:32:36 PM

          A piece of pipe and some sugar, fertilizer, potassium nitrate and a little smuggled or scavenged TNT? your very own WMD for less than 10 bucks! No need for a bank loan exactly.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket

  • Posted By: Peace&Love1 @ 01/09/2009 3:16:55 PM

    I am F***ing sick of hearing the ???what would you do if your country was being attacked with missiles from Mexico or Canada??? and Israel has a right to defend itself!!! Hamas broke the cease fire, etc.
    Lets get the facts straight.
    Gaza is not like Canada or Mexico. The REAL QUESTION SHOULD BE:
    What would the Canadian or Mexican people do if their country was completely controlled and blockaded(air, land, and sea) by the US. Would they just sit there and take it. Would they let their people starve and die from lack of medication and power?
    Hamas was the democratically elected government. They have a right to defend their people I think. I???ll tell you what I would do if my kids were starving because of another group of people(animals), I would kill as many as I can. I???m sure every person in the world would do the same. These are the facts. I love how the American Jews change the facts to make the Israelis look like the victims and to keep the biggest financial and military aid flowing. I cant wait for the American people; like the rest of the world, to wake up. That is when peace will be achieved in the Middle East.

    • Posted By: brydges @ 01/09/2009 4:42:17 PM

      If the Canadians or Mexicans were firing rockets into our homes we would fight them until which ever group was responsable was eradicated. "Oh the poor militants" you need to wake up. Isreal may seem harsh but as long as Hamas and thier animals control Gaza Isreal is justified.

  • Posted By: dareis12 @ 01/08/2009 11:30:09 PM

    There seems to be a lot of sloppy discussion going on here. If it's war, then it's not terrorism. And Isreal has definitely declared war on Hamas, in case you haven't noticed. And the need for war was precipitated by the endless terrorism, even of words, that Hamas hurls at Israel.

    Israel has every right to this land that everyone except Palestinians agrees was their home for thousands of years. They didn't just leave of their own free will, and I guarantee you they won't ever leave this land again. Israel is the victim of more terrorism than any people on earth, and why? Because they exist! The only way they could exist is if the story in the Bible is true.

    God says about Israel, "Jacob I loved, Esau I hated," When He speaks of Isaac's two sons; and to their mother, Rebekah, He says, "Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger." The older was Esau, but try telling that to a Muslim. They just rewrite history to hide their self-hatred; Their "father" sold their birthright for a bowl of soup. It was he who first hated!

    And so, here we are, discussing who's right and who's wrong, and who's to blame for all this death and destruction. Their hatred is real! Their story is written in stone. And who are we to even think we are worth being listened to as we blabber on and on about what's what, and who's who? Ahhh, because WE are GOOD people? ...Who really, really care? Right? Delusional at best.

    Hamas are terrorists! And the Gaza population approves! Their day of reckoning is upon them. I hope Israel is utterly victorious! Over and over again!

    • Posted By: tim_pragmatist @ 01/09/2009 2:41:51 AM

      What kind of God will hate a person before he was even born? These biblical myths are not comprehensible to any one who thinks.

      • Posted By: dareis12 @ 01/09/2009 12:50:47 PM

        The point is exactly this: if this story is a myth then Israel and all the Jews in the world are fiction. I think you're smarter than that.

    • Posted By: abbreviate @ 01/09/2009 9:05:58 AM

      Sounds like slogan of Third Reich: Germany for Germans, God with us, others are terrorists.

  • Posted By: MBrando @ 01/09/2009 11:23:26 AM

    I invite those who are blaming the Palestinians for blowing their chances to read what President Carter wrote in his book "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid" and to listen to What Mr. Zbinew Brezinski said recently on MSNBC about the peace negociations that took place during President Clinton era between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

  • Posted By: Robert1234 @ 01/08/2009 7:42:32 PM

    It is well to remember that the only terrorists are the Israelis. By all international law, the invader is the terrorist and any actions taken to disrupt, kill, or hamper in any way, those invaders, is 100% legal, provided the actions are within the bonds of what is permitted outside of the set standards for human conflicts. In fact, the actions of Israel fall in the realm of terrorism, not the actions of the Palestinians who are legally opposing the illegal occupation of their lands, as set forth in the original agreement that established Israel. Nazi Israel learned well from Nazi Germany, adopting group punishment, establishment of Ghettos, etc. Israel is the most ardently and openly evil of all the nations on earth and is the sole real problem in the Middle East. Shame on any American who supports the fascist nation of Israel.

    • Posted By: Forty4 @ 01/08/2009 10:33:43 PM

      it's outlandish that you actually believe this nonsense.

  • Posted By: dloglisci @ 01/09/2009 9:58:46 AM

    One of the first things I thought about when this conflict started was that it's a good opportunity for Fatah to re-take control of Gaza. What are they waiting for?

  • Posted By: juan_s45 @ 01/08/2009 10:11:02 PM

    How ignorent can people be! If some one is throwing bombs in your country , I would hope that you would react the same way Israel did. Hamas has been bombing Israel for the past six months and when Israel retaliates people immediately react and immediately blame Israel for defending its self. So don't be so ignorant and open your eyes. I really hope that Israel kills all Hamas millitants and protect it's people. Hamas millitants are such cowards that they us innocent people to protect them selfs. So who is really is doing the killing? Hamas are a bunch of cowards. If it was up to me I would rather live i peace........

  • Posted By: irwin_deutsch @ 01/08/2009 4:48:49 PM

    What has Fatah got for its people! Still checkpoints, that obscene barrier! No closer to end of occupation! Can't we see why they're not very popular? I think they're not much more than collaborators. I'm not a Palestinian (nor an Arab), yet I can see them being scorned by their own people

  • Posted By: mjkoch @ 01/08/2009 8:23:52 AM

    When Islamic terrorists murdered 3,000 Americans on 911 would have it have been wrong when we went after them to kill 25,000 of them? It is the responsibility of every government to do whatever they have to do to protect their citizens. The threat to their population must be eliminated.

    Here are the facts: Israel withdrew every settler and every soldier from Gaza in 2005. Hamas is not only sworn to the destruction of the State of Israel but they announced that they would not honor any agreements Israel had signed with Arafat and Mohammed Abbas. That my friends is a state of war. Hamas has launched 6,200 rockets against Israeli homes, schools, hospitals, restaurants, and marketplaces the past three years.

    When Britain and America attacked Germany in World War II their target was the German army but we destroyed entire cities and bombed entire cities. The entire country of Germany was reduced to rubble. Despite the fact that Gaza is the most densely populated land in the world Israel sent their aircraft in hundreds of sorties and killed six hundred people of which eighty percent were terrorists. Of course any civilian death is a tragedy but what other country in the world would take the same care Israel did in doing everything humanly possible to avoid civilian casualties?

    I read the postings the past few days and it seems as though some misinformed people think the rockets that Hamas is lobbing Israel with are just a nuisance and that they cannot kill and maim. If you feel that way than I hope you would not mind if 6,200 rockets are launched at New York City from Jersey City, New Jersey at your homes, your kids schools, and where you work. Let's see how much of a "nuisance" you think that is.

    No country in the world can sit idly by when terrorists threaten their citizens with rocket attacks. The terrorists in Hamas, Hezbollah, and AL Queda are one and the same. They hide behind innocent civilians because they know that the West is worried about going after them and harming innocent people. Israel, like any other country in the world, had no choice. They had to stop rockets and the murder and maiming of its people. There is no such thing as proportionality in war. Evil must be defeated and it is never a situation where a one to one ratio can ever be achieved between the terrorists and the innocents they are murdering.

    • Posted By: froy1100 @ 01/08/2009 3:09:12 PM

      No, mjkoch, here are the facts: Israel withdrew from Gaza but it imposed an inhuman siege that transformed that piece of land in the world's greatest concentration camp. They didn't withdrew as a sign of good will, but to concentrate in the expansion of their illegal settlements on the West Bank, their true object of desire.

      Hamas declared a 10-year truce after winning the 2006 elections, and showed to be willing to negotiate with Israel (without preconditions, please). Israel responded urging the International community to stop sending money to the PNA, staging a failed coup to put thei Fatah puppets back in power, and then imposing a shameful blockade on 1.5 million souls. When Hamas agreed to a 6-month truce last year, they stopped firing rockets, but Israel kept the siege and killed over 20 Palestinians during that time.

      Current death toll in the Israeli attack is already over 700 victims, 200 of them children, and the vast majority already civilians. That 80% accuracy claim was only true during the first 2 days.

      Your other false claim of Hamas using civilians as human shields is also being debunked by people like John Ging, director of operations in Gaza for the Unrwa, who has adamantly denied any militant presence in the UN school cowardly bombed by the Tzahal. Gaza is the most densely populated are in the world, so Israel knoew beforehand they would create a civilian carnage, and couldn't care less. The last attack to a UN convoy just confirms this.

  • Posted By: Alexeduardo @ 01/08/2009 2:40:37 PM

    Of course Hamas lit the most recent fire, but that doesn't justify Israel's...well...EXISTANCE.

    Secondly. yes, the whole rocket thing is a terrorist act, but we all damn well know that Israel is quite capable of finding and eliminating the specific members of Hamas who orchestrated the attacks (they make them live in corrals for pedro's sake).
    We mexicans have a word for when a powerful army systematecally exterminates a people while the rest of the world looks and occassionally claps, we call it a Holocaust, and that's what going on right now. America has to get past its WWII guilt and do the right thing. Confront Israel and eliminate terrorism not with rockets, but with ideas.
    And least, that's what god would want.

  • Posted By: ironangel20 @ 01/08/2009 6:06:01 AM

    The US has no authority here, yes we are the world hegemonic authority right now but this conflict is nothing new when you look at it from a historical perspective. It is far beyond our control. Whether you call them Israelis or Israelites, Palestinians or Philistines this is a conflict that goes back thousands of years! There is just not enough land to go around and even if there was I doubt that either group would be content to share it with the other after such a long history of conflict. Not everyone looks at the world through the same eyes as we in America do. This is their battle to fight, not ours! The most that we can hope for is to intervene enough to contain the conflict and avoid starting World War III.

    • Posted By: JB619 @ 01/08/2009 8:57:05 AM

      Get your facts straight. Pals are not Philistines. Philistines were of Greek origin who came, at minimum of 1, 000 years before, the NAME of Palestine.
      The Romans re-named Judea to Palestine during the Roman occupation. In order for the Romans to defeat the Jews they wanted the Jews to forget about their home land and disperse them. What better way to do so then to try to erase any connection a people has to their land by renaming their home. It's as if you beat the Mexicans in a war, kick them all out of their home, and then call their former home, not Mexico but Texas.
      Wait.... didn't that already happen???? Of course, and now Mexico has no claim to Texas!

      • Posted By: froy1100 @ 01/08/2009 12:48:30 PM

        Welcome to the 21st Century, man. There is something called International Law, you should check it up. It forbids countries from conquering their neighbor's land and annex it.

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