The Lost Shepherd

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Granted, some Christians--or at least professed ones--hypocritically and self-righteously condemn one area that the Bible discusses, according to specific agendas, like the Westboro Church in Topeka, while not showing love, compassion, and leading/helping others to repentance in any way. I am sorry for all of that, but that doesn't represent Christ's teachings and is a bad and wasteful example of our Christian faith.

The Bible is clear about homosexuality in at least 6 different books and epistles, three each in the OT and NT. The Bible "spends less time" on many other sinful behaviors that hurt ourselves, others, and our relationship with Him, but which doesn't preclude or negate those sins either. Actually, the topics, themes, and metaphors of marriage, money, Hell, and proper human judgment--based upon biblical standards--and eternal judgment are the most frequently occuring ones in the Bible, especially the NT, which don't actually agree with what we'd all prefer, and further contradicting your reasoning.

Biblical and true love in general extend to being honest about and/or warning us of word, thought, and deed that is, once again, harmful to ourselves, others, and our relationship with God. What's in our best interests or best for us isn't always "what feels good or right"--the consequences of actual medical and other science and social statistics have continually backed this up.

And, of course, in my previous comments I was also assuming that Haggard's church was a healthy, well-balanced, and biblically orthodox church, as opposed to one that teaches false doctrine, a cult, etc.

Quoted: Posted By: duke613 @ 01/10/2009 12:17:52 PM> Answer this. Why is the human being the only species on earth that has sex with its own gender?

Um, WRONG AND FALSE. Try googling same sex animal relationships. You'll find that scientists have found that many animals have sex with the same sex, and in fact some kinds of dolphins regularly pair with the same gender, and only get with the other gender to have sex - that is, to create children. Oh, and two other thoughts: if you want to be 'biblical', then only gay SEX is prohibited - not cohabitation. It's quite possible for two men to live together, care and love each other, and never have gay sex. That would be totally kosher according to Leviticus. And lastly, if you want to lash out at gays for having gay sex, then I'm afraid I'd like to buy your daughter, and if I see you wearing polyester I'll have to , hmm.., I forget if it's stoning or burning at the stake. Well, I'm sure my pastor can clue me in on that. Oh, and next time your son screams no at you, you'll need to stone him. I remember that one pretty well. And working on Saturdays - well, we'll just have to talk about that. Quote one, quote them all!

"I was born an evangelical", but, homosexuality is a learned behavior?

"I was born an Evangelican", but, " homosexuality is a learned behavior"

quote: " Posted By: spacekatt @ 01/10/2009 10:58:07 AMYour notion of being born gay is pure BS and you know it. All you are doing is trying to justify your own behavior. Answer this. Why is the human being the only species on earth that has sex with its own gender? I guess God thought so highly of homosexuality that he made it exclusive to humans. Choose what you like, just don't lie about it. If you want to be gay, fine with me. why do you want to try and deceive others as to your choices. Make them and accept them. But you do have a choice."

It is comments like these that shows that many people still do not understand homosexuality and what "being gay" really is. Education is the key and cannot be stressed enough to combat ignorance such as the above comment. People are indeed born gay. There is absolutely no choice involved. None. Being gay means there is zero attraction to the opposite gender. In fact it would feel completely unnatural to be with the opposite gender, because that is the way their brain is hardwired. Most all gay people know since they were small children. I was brought up in a loving Christian home and I knew I was gay since I was 6 or 7 years old. I didn't know what "gay " meant or even heard of the word. I didn't even know anything about sex but I knew.

A percentage of the human population has always be born gay since the begiining of time...and always will be. An even larger percentage of humans are naturally bisexual. The only thing that has changed in recent decades is that gay people have had the courage to stand up and fight for their equal rights and the rights for future generations of gay kids that are born every day. They are fighting for their ability to have a future. They are fighting to educate people as well.

Gay people are your sons, daughters, close friends, co-workers, aunts, uncles, cousins.....they are your police officers, fire fighters, accountants, secretarys, cooks, mailpersons, etc......some even do your hair! They are not alien or separate from yourselves they are part of your families and friends.

As far as homosexuality in the animal world, you again show ignorance on the subject: " Homosexuality has been observed in more than 1,500 species, and the phenomenon has been well described for 500 of them," said Petter Bockman, project coordinator of the exhibition. "

" Almost a quarter of black swan families are parented by homosexual couples. Male couples sometimes mate with a female just to have a baby. Once she lays the egg, they chase her away, hatch the egg, and raise a family on their own"

I thank God I was born gay, I wouldn't have it any other way. It was a hard life when I was young because of the ignorance of a segment of our society but I am living the life that God and nature meant for me to be. It has made me the man I am today. It has made me the spirtual man I am today. Education is the key to combat ignorance.

There he sits again, hiding behind his Bible. Nothing disturbs me more than televangelists who prey on the weak and poor for their own benefit. I feel no mercy for him, as he misled millions. He is one of the lowest types of humans with extreme deceptive behaviors, no more than a BS salesman Practice what you preach. Not buying it again, sorry

There isn't a saint without a past and not a sinner without a future.

Life in a cult is hard. Leading a cult is even harder.

Life in a cult is hard!

Haggard's sales skills are second only to his political ones. Coming out now will only cause further anguish to his wife and family who've also suffered by proxy from Haggard's fall. Haggard and family have literally and effectively been shunned by his former worshippers and fellow believers. An irony, sorrow and source of mirth for onlookers and critics.

My bet is eight to ten years when the last of thier children has graduated from high school Haggard and wife will separate and within 6-12 months he will then come out as an openly gay man. Maybe by then conservative evangelicals will have realized the emptiness of faith without acceptance or uncondititional love. You know that thing Jesus did.


Colette, Denver, CO

Haggard's sales skills are second only to his political ones. Coming out now will only cause further anguish to his wife and family who've also suffered by proxy from Haggard's fall. Haggard and family have literally and effectively been shunned by his former worshippers and fellow believers. An irony, sorrow and source of mirth for onlookers and critics.

My bet is eight to ten years when the last of thier children has graduated from high school Haggard and wife will separate and within 6-12 months he will then come out as an openly gay man. Maybe by then conservative evangelicals will have realized the emptiness of faith without acceptance or uncondititional love. You know that thing Jesus did.


Colette, Denver, CO

People are saying you are 'born' the way you are, but there is conflicting evidence, for and against that. (Some people take on 'faith' that they're born attracted to certain types of people.) You can be 'taught' sexuality by trauma or good relations -- ask any abuse survivor. In any case, no matter what you believe, I have to applaud this guy sticking with what he believes, and finally owning up to having fallen down, and trying to pick himself up. Bravo, dude.

Why do people who allegedly have brains feel they need the guidance (misguidance) of a church to make the right choices in life? The Church/synagogue/mosque as an institution has, on balance, acted throughout history to 1) increase its own power at the expense of the average person and 2) to retard the progress of scientific and political progress when it threatens their position of power and influence. We can cite endless examples of this....the Inquisition's persecution of Galileo; the persistence of the Dark Ages for centuries longer than necessary due to suppression/destruction of heretical and eastern learning; Bush's suppression of the stem cell research; spread of the AIDs virus; spread of the plagues in the the middle ages in spite of knowledge of how to stop it.

Even if there is a God that created the universe, He/she/it would certainly not be concerned with how we live our daily lives. There is obviously no divine involvement in human affairs as shown by the injustices, cruelty and suffering in the world. We need to drop our superstitions and live in reality. We and we alone are responsible for our own destiny.

everyone gets 15 minutes of fame in their life..Please dont give this man one second of fame...there has to be more going on in this world than a story on him..really what could he say that would be informative or news worthy..