The Lost Shepherd

oh jezus maria ted pleeze you prove once again that religion poisons everyone it touches!!

" I wanted to overrepent, and I think I did overrepent. " How does one overrepent? I think Ted is maybe seeking the forgiviness of man and not truly God.

Where is the Love of God, being shown to Ted Haggard, this man has a spiritual problem.
The Chruch is supposed to be a place of spiritual renewal and restoration.
It is a shame that people place themselves in God but then don't act and respond according to the word of God.

" Felled by their own sins..." Mr. Dokolpil, you make this excersize appear to be an exclusive event peculiar to fallen evangelical preachers. What else are we felled by besides OUR OWN SINS?
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God".

Rev. Haggard's path to a recovery and redemtion must begi with an acknowledgement that he is either gay or bisexual. Also, since he is a Christian, he needs to consider and, eventually accept a proposition that God created him this way - perhaps for a purpose.

" Felled by their own sins".
Hmm, Mr. Dokoupil, what other sin fells us besides our own?
Romans 3:23. "For all have fallen short of the Glory of God."

"weaving your hatred into MY relationship with God"
hatred is an agenda, like anything else, who remembers the inquisition?
Do yourself a favor christians, stop following someone else, start thinking for yourselves, and maybe, just maybe you as an individual will find a salvation greater than a belief system. Good luck, you'll need it.

Moses, Aaron and Miriam were considered "congregation leaders." When Miriam sinned against Moses she received leprosy and she was put outside of the camp. HOWEVER the camp was not allowed to move forward until she was healed AND received back into the camp. God's reputation does not need protecting by the church. However, we have become "unsafe" children of God to be with. What would happen to the church in America if it stopped all of its activities to see one "fallen" healed, restored (for real) and received back into the fold without a "debt" to the reputation of the church? My belief is that even though churches think they have moved on, they are still at a standstill, the way we are individually when we do not really and truly forgive, forget and help people toward healing and true restoration.

Ted, like all of us must stop eating from the tree of" knowledge of good and evil" if he wants to eat from the "tree of life." This is first for others than for himself. Either Jesus paid the price for ALL sin or he did not. The church in it's present state has no grace for Ted or for itself because the harsh mearuring stick it uses on others is inposed on herself by God.When the news broke about Ted the Spirit spoke to me and said "don't mock, but mourn because a Prince has fallen in Israel today." I have prayed for Ted to complete his spiritual evolution and believe he will lead the people of New Life to a better understanding of life and grace. Godspeed, Brother Haggard.

WE wonder why the churched in america are emtpy, and that the country has turned away from Christian morals and standards because of legalism in our churches. As long as you look, act and sound like a part of the christian culture and give 10% your okay. Anything else out of the ordinary,the church has "issues" with you. We have become so closed minded and focus only on numbers in attendence,the mega churches and TV pastors are revolting. How do you as a Pastor "minster" to your "flock" when you dont know the person name in the front row. Church was designed by Jesus to minster to the people needs like Ted`s. my question is this as to how many Ted`s are their walking around in churches or are just your neighbor? God only knows! because most mega churches like New Life don`t care!

As a human being who is fallen and has fallen, Ted Haggard's repentence and plea for forgiveness has been heard by God and granted, and has been taken seriously by New Life church and granted. I do not believe that it is a question of forgiveness or of judging and casting stones. The question comes in concerning a leader who had massive influence and a vast following. What should happen when someone in that kind of position sins and it comes out publicly? Trust has been shattered. The hypocrisy of preaching one thing and living something else, and keeping it hidden through deception, has caused hurt to many. For leaders who fall, there are different kinds of consequences, and one is that enough space and time need to be placed between them and their ministries until healing can come and trust can be rebuilt. That, and not forgiveness, is the issue here.

Ted, like all of us must stop eating from the tree of" knowledge of good and evil" if he wants to eat from the "tree of life." This is first for others than for himself. Either Jesus paid the price for ALL sin or he did not. The church in it's present state has no grace for Ted or for itself because the harsh mearuring stick it uses on others is inposed on herself by God.When the news broke about Ted the Spirit spoke to me and said "don't mock, but mourn because a Prince has fallen in Israel today." I have prayed for Ted to complete his spiritual evolution and believe he will lead the people of New Life to a better understanding of life and grace. Godspeed, Brother Haggard.

Everyone here is missing the whole point its not about judgement its about forgiveness!! The Church in america is all about numbers and booking selling not truly about seeking the lost. Ted was overthrown as anyone who "manages" a sucessful business, should be, but to cast him aside as dead wrong. Who is New Life to cast the "first stone."

christian is just a name or label true christianity like Jesus would of treated Ted Haggard like the woman at the well who was married to several men in adultry he said to her go and sin no more. I am embarrassed as a christian that his church treated him like this, shame on this church, there are churches out there that don';t God loves Ted and forgives him and the church's main job is to restore. The church in america has become nothing but a business or a corporation trying to make budget .. the church is suppose to be a hospital and a place of restoration. I would never step foot in New Life /church after reading this article