The Lost Shepherd

The propaganda machine of Christianity and Islam will produce just about any nonsense you can think of.
So I will try and confuse you with a few facts:
The Jesus of Christianity, the so called dead Jew on a stick who died for your sins and turned into some god NEVER EXISTED!It is the greatest "Story" (LIE) ever told.
None of the Historians knew about any Jesus as christianity describes. Surely there were many Jessuses and Yoshuas aroun but not the one Christianity describes.

So who were the first christians.
A Gnostic movement which evolved from the various ideologies found in the region of Palestine as a result of the Great Revolt and the Bar Kochba revolt.
Act 11:26 states clearly the First Christians were found in ANTIOCH NOT JERUSALEM OR NAZARETH. Nazareth did not exist during the time of your Cristos and was created 100 years later by God-Experts(The great deceivers of Mankind).
The gnostic movement became popular;each "church"/Gathering had its Leader called a "bishop" with its OWN RULES. The Gnostics did not worship any Dead Jew on a stick.
Mithra worship was on the decline while the Gnostic Christian movement was on the rise.
Constantine called for a meeting of the bishops in 325CE called the Council of Nicaea.
Constantine and his gathering of bishops married Mithra Sun Worship with the Gnostic Christian movement and the Sabbath became the Sunday worship.
The Gospels of the Constantine's Christianity were written between 330-350 CE or 5 years AFTER the Council of Nicaea,presented in the CODEX SINAITICUS.
Cristos was the Greek Name used for the Anointed or nr 17 on the list of the Astral Sun Gods starting with Horus.

You have to wait till the 1103 CE for the Name Jesus (Esus - Hesus) to enter into the Christian stories and you have to wait till the 15th century for the story of the dead Jew on a stick turned into god to take over the lives of millions. It is the greatest anti-Jew story ever told. All the so called Gospels are reverse engineering of events that never happened.You are being taken for a ride and you are too scared to face the reality. So you continue to sit in front of your glorified horror story. How insane is that?
The NT is full of discrepancies. The claim that Jesus was a Jew is just hilarious. It would be funny if it weren't such a serious act of wickedness. The gospels were written by non-Jews who haven't a clue about Judaism. The writers exploit the confusions of the events during the time of the Romans in the region to produce their story. What you have is a potpourri of insanity at its best.

Just one simple fundamental deceit of the gospel stories:Where did Jesus got his Matzo bread EIGHT days before Passover? Surely the great writers of Christianity didn't know about the rituals of Passover? What kind of a Jew/Pharisee/Chasidim was celebrating Passover, 8 days before Passover, without his family but surrounded by a bunch of fishermen? IT MAKES NO SENSE!

THE GARDENER:

To clarify, instead of "between 8 and 90 A.D.," meant to say "40 and 90 A.D.," which is between 7 or 8 and 60 years after Christ's death, referring to when the gospels and epistles were all written, along with the oral traditions and creeds developed. Historians and historical scholarship is clear, however, that it takes 150 to 200 years after an historical occurence for legend and myth to creep in and taint the events--no other work of ancient antiquity has been shown to have been recorded anywhere near as close to the actual events they document and report; one of the next closest, the Quran and/or Hadith, are about 400 to 600 years after, and were predominately written to specifically counter Christianity and its growth.

GOD LITTLE PRINCESS (and QUIDISRUPT):

On judgment AND forgiveness, please see Luke: 17: 3-4. On repentance, see Matt. and Luke 3:8, Acts 26:20, Rom. 2:4 and 11:29, 2 Cor. 7:10, Heb. 6:1, and so much more.

THE GARDENER:

To continue where I cut off may last post: "...fails in side-by-side comparison."

Just pick up and read a simple book on actual Christian or theistic apologetics, scholarship, and theology, and try to refute any of it--it's not possible: Strobel, Geisler, Hanegraaff, Lewis, Zacharias, Meyer, and so many dozen more. You wouldn't do it though.

And yes, there is a Santa Clause and the world is indeed flat, Gardener.

QUIDISRUPT:

For what it's worth, forgot to mention that the thief on the cross didn't even have a chance to show repentance before dying, but Christ looked directly into his heart and knew it was real, in saying, "Verily I say unto you, this day you'll be with me in paradise."

QUIDISRUPT:

Didn't mean any disrespect to ya; and I am remiss in my last response to you in forgetting to mention your excellent points, and well-taken. Granted, "after the fact" makes it more suspect in many cases and depending upon the behavior.

I'm just saying, only God knows his heart and if his repentance is genuine and for the right reasons--of his own free will or after the fact of getting caught; we can only see the corresponding or hypocritical word and deed in hindsight.

There are thousands if not millions of people, and many well known examples, of people coming to true repentance and faith--even going on to do great things in the world--after getting caught/confronted, rebuked, and punished, either by God, man, or both; I can think of and name many off the top of my head. In the Bible some examples are the thief on the cross, Saul of Tarsus (Paul), woman at the well, David, Moses, the Prodigal Son (after he finally ran out of money and "friends"), and so on. Even many substance addicts have to "hit bottom" or be "interventioned," confronted in some form, or shown "tough love" before they can successfully recover and heal.

My only point is that no matter how repulsive/illegal the behavior, it's up to God to ultimately judge and condemn or forgive, and we need to temper our right to judge the behavior based upon biblical, not our personal, standards.

DAVID_LA:

Whith all due respect, the only ignorance for anyone would actually be in being spoon-fed and following politically correct pop-culture fads and philosophy that contradict actual science, history, theology, logic, and reason.

GOD LITTLE PRINCESS:

We have to make proper judgments/discernments everyday to even survive. Laws, police, and courts couldn't provide their necessary and most vital functions without judging. Everytime a parent properly disciplines a child they are judging also. I could go on and on, but the main point is proper/appropriate judgment.

GOD LITTLE PRINCESS:

Hope this helps:

Matthew 7:1 refers to an unfavorable and condemnatory judgment. This does not mean that a Christian should never exercise judgment of any kind under any circumstances. The point being made here is that we are not to judge the inner motives of another. And we are not to render a verdict based upon prejudiced information, or use ourselves as the standard of judgment.

"Judge" can mean "to distinguish," or "to consider carefully." Jesus does not forbid this--see John 7:24. In Luke 6:37 Jesus warns rather against high-handed condemnation of others. It is God's task alone to render a judgment that condemns.

Elsewhere throughout the NT epistles, Christians are called to judge, discern, and guard against false teachers within and outside the church, and to discipline and call to repentence Christians that have fallen away in various forms, in addition to recognizing and avoiding the sinful snares and temptations of the pagan world and philosophy. Further, Paul, James, John, et al, are clear that we are to "test"--judge and discern--all teaching and church leaders against and according to scripture.

DAVID_LA:

I understand, and you're completely entitled to your disagreement. But following are reposts of mine to others on this subject, if this clarifies or helps in any way:

MWALIMU:

There is NO scientific basis for genetic homosexuality, or we wouldn't even be discussing/debating now! In fact, legitimate non-biased studies all point to the psycho/socio factors, including the major and conclusive twin studies. According to science, genes DO NOT determine complex human behavior or pathology, only simple traits and characteristics (eye/skin color, and to a degree, along with modeling/learned behavior, mannerisms, and personality traits). Further, according to real and actual science, "MODELING" is the primary determinate of human behavior--not genes.

And how did all these heterosexuals pass this mysterious "gay gene" along, or vice versa, and which even evolutionary THEORY rules out?

And NO ONE "CHOOSES" the psycho/socio factors or conditions that give rise to their homosexuality, only the behavior to act upon it, as with substance abuse, pedophilia, incest, beastiality, adultery, bravery, heterosexual marriage, celibacy, religion, etc.

OLDDOGNEWTRICKS:

So, you're saying worldviews and beliefs are only determined by location, and everyone on these posts wants to conveniently claim that only homosexuality is genetic. But you wouldn't dare apply your location theory to homosexuality?--like one can be straight, go to prison and be gay, and come out of prison and be straight again?--which is actually very common. Others would blame demons or genes for everything generally considered bad or unnatural, but take all the non-genetic credit for everything else. Which is it?

HORRIBLE BASTARD:

Can't have it both ways and double standards in "genetics." Homosexuals want to falsely genetically and legally compare to blacks, yet not to those that have sexual lifestyles they disapprove of and/or are illegal, like pedophilia.

Ted Haggard has proved one thing....Gays can get married in Colorado

Ted Haggard has proved one thing....gays CAN get married in Colorado.

Disgusting!

We all have fallen in are time and yes PASTER Ted did fallen..But what would JESUS DO..He would forgive him and love him..People need to take the log out of there eye before they look at someone else..I believe that we need to leave Ted alone it over CHRISTIANS need to let it GO..My GOD is GOOD and he has forgiven Ted so why can YOU..Ted you nned to do what GOD has called you to do..and forget what people think..It only what GOD thinksthat matters..If GOD called you to preach then you need to preach..Remember Christians GOD know what he was doing..GOD has a plan in place for PASTER TED...GOD IS GOOD IN ALL THINGS....Keep your chen up and remember GOD loves you as much as he loves the CHRISTIANS....Ted have a blessed day....Our prays are with you and your Family..and WELCOME HOME...