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  • Posted By: Korean1Korguryo @ 01/16/2009 11:09:15 PM

    To ericeric

    You should worry about China ecnomic " domestic" War between Rich and Poor Chinese. Least Koreans have survived 5 thousand years. Can China survive next 50 years????? Chinese isn't so ridiculous and don't have biased attitude. So thats the reason 1.2 billion Chinese living under communist rooftop right?! Least majority of 60 million Koreans live and work under Non-Communist Socieity unlike 1.2 billion China.

  • Posted By: Korean1Korguryo @ 01/16/2009 11:04:41 PM

    To: ericeric-etc.

    I also travelled to many countries around the world. I love Korea. Koreans are most level headed people in the world.
    Unlike communist China sheltered childrens. Korea is alot cleaner then cockroach filled China. Being proud and being blind sighted ignorant arrogant Chinese is complete different story. If you cannot handle the truth about China. You should go back to your mother womb. Like I said, you are like typical 1970 spoiled Chinese generation with arrogant personality who cannot accept criticism from Western world. Chinese communist regime have over sheltered you too much. Like little China baby.

  • Posted By: oldweeker @ 01/16/2009 10:58:33 PM

    Koreans have survived for 5 thousand years from Wars, This should have led you korean to some real serious introspect. Annexation It's hard to say if it can survive the next war if all you koreans cling to this ridiculous mentality and biased attitude.

  • Posted By: ericericeric @ 01/16/2009 10:21:24 PM

    I have travelled a lot around the world. And Korea is the one I have to visit most and I hated it.
    No one is saying China is heaven, but you are not comfortable with hearing Chinese people being
    proud of their country. Anyone can be proud of their own country. If you can't stand other
    people being proud of their coutry, then you have problem. Like I said, you are like most Korean,
    narrowed minded.

  • Posted By: Korean1Korguryo @ 01/16/2009 10:03:45 PM

    Replying comment to ericericetc.

    China isn't clean country. If you think China is clean country. You haven't been traveling around China or Beijing.
    If you have read my comments. It deals with China not Korea. You seem very defensive like typical 1970 born
    Chinese youth. Your implying all 1.2 billion chinese will be happy and living life like Disneyland??? You must be on denile or you must be narrow minded person. What prediction???

    1) China 1.2 billion people. China isn't clean country. Go to China countryside or Beijing back alley. The smell will wake you up big time. Don't need to drink cup of coffee. Trust me on this. Its a fact.

    2) China will have world largest Autistic children. Its a fact.
    3) China will have world largest Human gene related illness. Its a fact.
    4) China will have world largest throat cancer. Its a fact.
    5) China will have world largest Psychological problem. Its a fact.
    6) China will have world largest gun execution. Its a fact.
    7) China will have world largest spoiled generation ( 1970 China children). Its a fact.
    8) China will have world largest AIDS related death . Its a fact.
    9) China will have world largest economic gap between Rich and Poor. Its a fact.
    10) China will have world largest censorship on Internet, education, history. Its a fact.

    China isn't heaven. Chinese aren't God. So stop pretending like one.
    This isn't prediction or being narrow mind. Tell you the truth Chinese are much more narrow mind to Koreans.
    Korean Proverb: Chinese have narrow heart compared to the size of the land. Its a fact.

  • Posted By: ericericeric @ 01/16/2009 9:23:07 PM

    Yes, Chinese cities are very clean. I am not the only one to say that.

  • Posted By: ericericeric @ 01/16/2009 9:22:01 PM

    Why would you be bothered to know that some people are proud of their own country? That has nothing
    to do with your country. This forum is about China, not Korea. You don't like
    that because you are narrow minded and that's a sickness in you.

  • Posted By: kw9751 @ 01/16/2009 9:20:57 PM

    DrewCAENG
    US GDP Per capita $45K
    Saudi $19K

    you forgot something.

    US external debt per capita $42,343
    Saudi external debt per capita $1,942

    US net worth per capita = $3,000, better cut those credit cards up

  • Posted By: ericericeric @ 01/16/2009 9:17:39 PM

    Korean1Korguryo, none of those statistics have any backing. For example: this one
    "China will have world largest Rich and Poor economic gap."

    Is that just your prediction? or your wish?
    It seems that you wish all the bad things happen to China. And that says it all.
    So all of your opinions are biased.
    I don't understand why Koreans wish bad things happen to China. Only explanation
    I can come up is jealousy. Koreans are very narrow minded and jealous people.

  • Posted By: Korean1Korguryo @ 01/16/2009 8:21:36 PM

    A year 2050

    1) China will have world largest Autistic Children in the world.
    2) China will have world largest Human Gene related illnesses.
    3) China will have world largest Gun Execution.
    4) China will have world largest AIDS disease related death.
    5) China will have world largest Throat Cancer illness/death.
    6) China will have world largest Automatic Death.
    7) China will have world largest Psychological Problem Illness.
    8) China will have world largest Rich and Poor economic gap.
    9) China will have world largest spoiled generation ( 1980 China Youth Generation).
    10) China will have world largest problem in ( Corruption, Sex (STD), Drug) death.

  • Posted By: Korean1Korguryo @ 01/16/2009 4:37:49 PM

    Replying to vonleixy

    Every groups have rotten apple but not 1.2 billion of them that supports World biggest gun execution policy.
    Korean dude in University of Virginia sent more then 30 lives. Well, just imagine how many China sends???
    First, you can't imagine. Second, you can't guess how many childrens suffering from Autism in China. ( Probably more then U.S. population).

    Here is my conclusion screw China pride. What did China pride or Chinese government have done to poor Chinese or Chinese children suffering from Autism. China don't want America, Germany, Japan, World to see " Self rejected side of China". Yeah, Back Alley of Chinese cities look very clean. Much more then North Korea.

    Hey, vonleixy ( Your a complete Joke!!!)

  • Posted By: Korean1Korguryo @ 01/16/2009 4:25:37 PM

    World biggest gun execution policy isn't America, German, Japan or Isreal. If you have any brain. Its China.
    If you look back World History before America, Germany, Japan or Isreal. Koreans have survived for 5 thousand years from Wars, Annexation from ( China, Ghenghis Khan, Japan, Russia). Very few countries have Culture, Nation, People, Language, Food culture intact like Koreans. Korean cultural identity always have been not becoming part of China, Japan, Russia, or USA. Thats Korean Identity.

    You are just one of those many narrow-peninsula minded guy. And you are talking about education!

    If I was narrow minded person I would have not accept 900 Chinese Autistic children. Just imagine who are
    Teaching them overcome learning handicap?? Do you think Chinese?? or nation of 1.2 billion China Pride?? Let me tell you they are Koreans. We Koreans are teaching Autistic Chinese to eat, to toilet training, to sit properly, eat properly, read and write English or Korean ( Not Chinese) because these Autistic chinese children don't have future in China. Our Job is give these Chinese Autistic children second healthy life in Korea, USA, Cananda, or Australia, New Zealand.

    Oldweeker, Here is China Pride for ya! You are just one of those narrow minded guy. And you are talking about education!!

  • Posted By: Korean1Korguryo @ 01/16/2009 11:25:45 AM

    Reply comment: To ericericetc, newsweekkreader

    If you guys proud being Chinese or China being middle kingdom. ( You guys have the right to believe as you wish. But don't preach your political or cultural believe to anyone else).

    1) Beijing Olympic Torch Run in Seoul: Gang of uneducated Chinese youth ganging up on two Tibetans at Hotel Lobby at downtown Seoul. ( Thats was really stupid and embarrassing).
    2)Being Olympic: Political Showcase.
    3) Chinese Media: Sorry, but I cannot trust " Sugar Coated Communist" government. ( Reality Not much better from North Korean Government). Major difference China open up to Capitalism thought 40 years earlier then Kim Ill Sung regime.
    4) Chinese Historians distorting Korean history? If Chinese have strong backbone to Chinese history why would distort someone else nation history?? But again Chinese youth or Chinese Historians cannot read " Ancient Chinese Characters" so they ask Korean Professors or Korean Historians to translate the materials for them.
    5) Inchon Airport transit: Last time I checked except for ( Beijing Olympic). Inchon airport surpass Beijing International Airport. ( International Passenger Flight including International Cargo flight). That wasn't 10 years ago.
    6) Middle Kingdom: If you look " Geo-Political" map Korean Peninsula is located in middle northeast Asia. Korean Peninsula has warm water harbor bay which China, Russia, Japan, USA, wanted to have foothold to control Northeast Asia economically, politically, military, and culturally.
    7) 10 years ago: Do you think Chinese government can maintain Chinese Rich and Poor gap (1.2 billion People). I can only imagine China " poor" population. ( Twice as much Korean Peninsula Population). I can only imagine the numbers.
    8) I visited Beijing, Shanghai, other China city. Next 20-50 years ( Can China corruption, drug, Sex ( AIDS) disappear??
    9) I recently visited Beijing I was appalled to see China has many " Autistic" mentally handicap Chinese. 100 percent of them are not receiving proper education. ( Chinese communist government don't want western media also average Chinese to see). Majority of them just stay home without proper help or educations.
    10) Western media just busy reporting economic numbers. World see 1.2 billion is big market. But how about other part of China. ( Chinese " Autistic" Childrens, Chinese Mental handicap childrens not receiving proper education from Chinese government, Homeless Chinese, Chinese without Jobs???). You think China is " Sky Heaven" country???
    I don't think so............... I began to see China in different light. China is very sad country. Chinese hide the human suffering and pain well. I really don't think its healthy for China.

    • Posted By: vonleixy @ 01/16/2009 3:54:05 PM

      "Chinese hide the human suffering and pain well. I really don't think its healthy for China. "
      ====
      thanks for your consideration and I liked your sense of humor. Often hanging out in Korean-only groups, Koreans expressed themselves well and stay very healthy here in the U.S.. A healthy Korean dude in University of Virginia sent more then 30 healthy and happy American students to heaven.

  • Posted By: oldweeker @ 01/16/2009 1:01:55 PM

    Korean1Korguryo
    I am not really surprised to read your comment. I have met more than 5000 thousands Koreans when I was working as a tourguide. You are just one of those many norrow-peninsula-minded guy. And you are talking about education!

  • Posted By: Korean1Korguryo @ 01/16/2009 11:51:14 AM

    China being clean ( Specially Beijing or Shanghai). You must be Joking!!!
    I found North Korea much cleaner then China ( Overall).

  • Posted By: Korean1Korguryo @ 01/16/2009 4:21:15 AM

    Chinese being proud??? being proud or brainwashed?? In reality Geopolitical geography Korean Peninsula is actually located in the middle of Northeast Asia. China, Mongolia, Japan, Russia, USA wanted political, economical, cultural foothold toward Korean Peninsula. China being middle kingdom or Chinese being proud. I think its all done by " Sugar-Coated communist China regime". Sorry, even though China has 1.2 billion economic market or 2050 western media predicts China will have much larger economy then United States. My heart says I cannot believe or trust what Chinese/China media portrays.

    • Posted By: ericericeric @ 01/16/2009 8:49:13 AM

      No, Korean1Korguryo, Chinese are proud not because they are sugar coated by anyone. They have reason to be. When I visited Korea 10 years ago, seoul looked like a gleaming modern cosmopolitan city. But in my recent visit, I have to say that compared to Chinese cities, not just Beijng or Shanhai, even second tiear cities like Nanjing, Hangzou, Dalian, Suzhou, Seoul looked old and messy. The Chinese cities looked clean compared to any major European city too. I went O Zurich last year and I was disappointed that it was not as clean as I heard.

      As for the name "middle Kingdom", China has been using that name for ages. Japan is called RiBen< meaning the root of the sun,. Which means East, relative to China. Korea is ChaoXian, which means morning fresh, which also indicates it is east of China. If you think Korea is the middle kingdom, tell me why more than 50% of the flights in Incheon (Seoul) International airport are to and from Chinese cities.

      As one of Koreas newspaper puts it, in its entore history, Korea has never been more properous and civilazed than China except the last 50 years. Witnessing the 2008 Olympics, it continued, that the Koreans should enjoy this moment of superiocity as long as it can, because this period will not last. I think in many ways, China is already better than Korea now.

      The only area of improvement is polution and culture. which are both improving. You will see a Chinese cultural renasaince within the next 10 years.

      At that time, you will be proud to be the closest neighbor of China.

    • Posted By: newsweakreader @ 01/16/2009 8:27:21 AM

      no, Korean1Korguryo, Chinese are proud not because they are sugar coated by its government. They have reason to be proud. 10 years ago, when I visited Korea. Seoul was a gleaming modern cosmopolitan city. Recently, I have to say that compared to many Chinese cities, not just Beijing or Changhai, even second tier cities like Nanjing, Suzhou, WuXi, Hangzhou, Dalian, Seoul looked dirty and old. Only problem with China now is environment., but it is also making improvement. Beijing is seeing more blue sky days than a few years ago and Huangpu river is turning from black to yellow, it's normal color. I agree with one thing said by a major Korean newspaper, in the thousands of years history, China was always more prosporous and civalized than Korea, except in the last 50 years. The last 50 years is when South Koreans can really feel good about themselves towards China. Witnessing the 200 Beijing Olympics, the newspaper added that, "We Koreans'sd better enjoy this abnormal period as much as we can as it won't last".

      The name "Middle Kindon" or ZhongGuo, is China's real name. Westerners named China, China because they were not able to take China's name as it was. If you think Korea is the middle kindom, tell me why more than 50% of the international flights from Seoul Incheon Airport are to and from Chinese cities.

  • Posted By: ericericeric @ 01/16/2009 8:35:35 AM

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/178810/page/2

  • Posted By: Korean1Korguryo @ 01/16/2009 3:38:26 AM

    IcyMoon, I began to feel that your so Chinese your nose turning brown. Have you been to Korea?? There are 124,000 ( Han-Chinese) working Korean massage parlors. They come here to make quick easy money. Majority of them are problem makers. One more thing do not get confused with Korean-Chinese ( Koreans living in Northeast) 337,000 thousand of them came legally marriage Korean Spouse. China, is so rich that 1.2 billion of them will live happy and prosperous without " Sugar-Coated" communist regime. One thing you should never forget is Chinese/China had very long history of corruption, drugs, sex problems ( STD). Thing that hold Chinese/ China together is communist regime.

  • Posted By: gerald12345 @ 01/15/2009 9:05:09 AM

    Is the author really this stupid or just blind to reality?? The same discussion points raised could easily be applied to Pre WWII Nazi Germany. The Nazis and now Communist Chinese, got fantastic industrial and economic grown when they suspended freedoms, ran large state businesses, ignored free market competition and labor practices, promoted near slave labor. I've been to china...some urban areas are doing great...but look at the other 90% of the population that doesn't have running water and the septic system consists of a hole in the ground. So much for the liberal, communists, 60's flower children's nirvana......would love to see how they respond to their paradise when the are forced to abort their 2nd child because it violates the 1 child policy. you better not complain or you get sent to prison. those darn catholics can't practice becuase they are a threat to the state.......what a load of propaganda you are pushing.....

    • Posted By: icymoon83 @ 01/15/2009 9:20:08 AM

      I grew up near a Catholic church (that is still being used every weekend) when I was in China. What are you talking about?

      • Posted By: gerald12345 @ 01/15/2009 9:28:15 AM

        the catholic church you probably saw was run/approved by the state.....real catholic churches/bishops have faced severe restrictions......read history.

        • Posted By: icymoon83 @ 01/15/2009 11:13:59 AM

          hmm, apparently you think you know more than I do about my own neighberhood. Very typical of rednecks that think they know it all when they haven't even seen it. Time is changing. Chinese government is changing, hopefully for good. Maybe people in the west should be changing too. The whole mentality that whatever associated with teh word "communist" and whatever happends in other countries must be bad compared to U.S. should be changing. I find it too often that people like you judge much faster than you could read history for your own. P.S., for a long time, Americans killed native indians partly for they did not believe in Christianity. Now such brutality is no longer present. Thus it would not be fair to say today that native indians do not have freedom of religion.

          • Posted By: dawen @ 01/15/2009 11:32:47 PM

            Please see: DrewCAENG @ 01/15/2009 11:37:10 AM. Why did you have to degenerate this discussion and start call names.....Shows your level of intelligence. So are you trying to say that because of your anecdotal evidence of a church in your neighborhood, that trumps recent and established history of the persection of the Catholic church in China??? Boy is that well thought out.....and I think your trying to make the point that Americans treated Indians bad.....how does this justify the actions of the current communist regime.....how is the regime making restituions for persection of minorities????? Oh and just go ahead and ignore the one child policy in China...Don't start calling names.......it makes you look very very very small!

    • Posted By: icymoon83 @ 01/15/2009 9:22:04 AM

      And I am so sorry that China displeases you so much to deserve your rampage. Please, for all the sake of the Chinese people, never go to China again.

      • Posted By: gerald12345 @ 01/15/2009 9:27:06 AM

        you obviously can't read....i have a problem w/ the authors not china

  • Posted By: alberta.xy @ 01/15/2009 6:42:25 PM

    After seeing all the comments here, I would recommend Rana Forooohar write something American readers like, e.g. China human rights, government forced abortions, Tibet, Child labor, pollution etc, for your own personal safety. In a DEMOCRATIC country, writing alternative perspectives will be deprived citizenship and forced to live in China. :)

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