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The Dangerous Lives Of Doves in Israel

The war has revived Israel's leftists, but it's killing their chances of a deal with Palestinian moderates.

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  • Posted By: khasroo29 @ 01/28/2009 10:23:18 PM

    When you put fire in a neighbour's house, if not extinguished in time your one too will get affected. Thats what is happening in Israel. I am sure the common people of Israel will one day usher in a change in their Government's policy and only then peace will come in the region. Occupation breeds resistance. Let Israel pulla back to pre 1967 border and ask it's neighbours to sit and work out how all the countries in the region can live in peace?

  • Posted By: christophr2 @ 01/24/2009 3:52:31 PM

    To all those who believe either Israel or the Arab world (Hamas in this specific case, if you wish) is right: Both cultures have a right to exist, both have a long-standing history in Palestine. Yet, both regularly commit atrocities, both are hypocritical in the extreme, to wit: 1) Israel pretends to desire peace, and even shamefully at times pretends to believe in a two-state solution. Meanwhile, Israel developed a strategy of colonial occupation of the West Bank and other areas specifically to make a two-state solution impossible, and 2) Hamas (as one reply put it, is a group of thugs who are in charge inside the concentration camp that is the Gaza strip) and, it is no stretch to say, the Arab world at large, is also commited to the destruction of their enemy, the Israeli state. These two powers have been lying and making war against each other, and making propaganda war against the rest of the world, while simultaneously being manipulated by the imperial Anglo powers that supply billions to Israel yearly (without which it is obvious that Israel would long ago have ceased to exist). A two-state solution is a fantasy created to appease those ignorant of the basic facts of the situation: neither side will cede territory, or ever stop fighting, until their enemy is annihiliated. The doves on both sides, even were they in the majority, haven't the power or the stomach to overthrow their greedy, bloodthirsty masters. On the Israeli side, Israel itself, even if it were to come to the rational conculsion that they cannot kill every single Palestinian, would not give up the billions and billions it receives from the US, and these American strategic interests lie in keeping the Middle East in disarray, essentially forever, since the alternative from a realpolitic point of view would mean these two semitic peoples would eventually unite against their real oppressors, the Anglo powers. Stop the endless and meaningless "Israel or Palestine is right", no solution lies in that line of thought, only charges and counter-charges, ad infinitum. Obama must inject, sooner than later, rational policy into our orientation. We must force both sides to disarm, that includes Iran and Israel, and somehow put a lid on all the American evangelicals who fantasize about the end of days, and wittingly abet the continuation of the struggle. We also must take the power away from the military-industrial complex, who was overjoyed at the insane Zionist notion that putting an Israeli state in Palestine would be workable. Even Herzl himself fretted about the rationality of the scheme.

  • Posted By: your_servant @ 01/19/2009 2:00:49 AM

    The whole world has been deceived. It is not the fault of the Isralis to want peace in their homes, schools and places of worship and to defend themselves when attacked. However, the Israli population is not correct in the belief that the Palestinian is at fault for wanting their land back. As always, the rulers of the world (satan) has those who say they believe in the One God (whether you believe His proper name is Allah or Yaweh) killing eachother. In no less than what is called the "Holy Land" and Jerusalem...the City of Peace.

    The Middle East will never have peace as long as Israel is there.
    Peace will be restored only after the coming of the Great Mahdi,
    who is now rising...in the west.

  • Posted By: Ethan30 @ 01/18/2009 11:26:15 AM

    Where are those so called "Palestinian moderates"?

    When did they voice their care for 8 years of bombing of Israel or hundreds of Isralis murdered in suicide bombings and other attacks?

    Why don't we ever see a peace movement that sings peace songs and talks about the important of peace and a better future?

    All there is a huge majority that voted for a racist and anti- Semitic goal of murduring Jews in the Middle East, the destruction of Israel and resentment to Jewish neighbors (settlements).

    Mahmoud Abbas is a moderate only if you compare him with Iran's Ayatollah.

  • Posted By: Hello... @ 01/16/2009 5:14:37 PM

    Jim1348, you may be right. In the Middle Ages the tactic of swarming worked very well for the Arabs but in today's world all it means is more deaths. That's what the Arabs/Muslims try to do --- overwhelm you with numbers (if they can). But like you said, they are too stupid to stop fighting. It is a proven fact that people raised on hate have lower I.Q's.

    • Posted By: tamerm @ 01/17/2009 8:07:15 AM

      There is no overwhlming of the numbers of the victims, do you think when F16 warcrafts hit civileans, and when M1A1 Tanks bomb civilean houses for 22 days continuously how many victims would you predict, particularly if you know that 1.2 MILLIONs live in Gaza strip (45 *15 Km). Ithink that there underestimation to the number of the victims. Please look, listen and learn in a nonbiased way to know who are the blood suckers.

    • Posted By: tamerm @ 01/17/2009 7:59:17 AM

      Hello Hello, please dont link Islam with any personal acts, otherwise you fall in a great ffault. If I think like you concept , you can link between christianity and Fachestism or Nazisim, WWII was between mainly christians but this does not mean that christianity encourage warship. religions are messages from god to filter humanbeings from disastreous thoughts and acts that will destroy the whole world. You know who made a great fortune from manufacturing and selling weapons, who rais warship in different parts of the world, you know who settled his cultures on the cadevers of humanbeing (Muslims, christeans and even Jewish). Please read the history carefully to findout who bombed King David Hotel in Tel Aviv during the era of Mr Begen. The evil acts are present and will still present till the end of the life but religeons are the only way to find your humanity. By the the word islam is an arabic word that means PEACE. To be a muslim you must respect christianity and jewish religeons. those who use the religeon as a shield to work behind in a different way will lose surely whether are muslims, christeans or jewish.

  • Posted By: Kevin1Korea @ 01/17/2009 7:30:22 AM

    Middle East crises is very complicated. Why can't other Arab nation accept Jewish nation. Egypt has accepted it.

  • Posted By: bajan man @ 01/16/2009 6:05:50 PM

    It is time for America to take a second look at this so-called "special relationship." The Jews have been taking advantage of the Palestinians ever since it was "created." They have stolen land, established illegal settlements, humiliated the Palestinians by requiring them to stand in the sweltering sun and/or freezing rain for hours on end just to get to work. It has built an Apartheid Wall, blockaded the sea ways and they have done everything possible to make life miserable for the Palestinians. These money-grubbing *** have one ultimate purpose: to steal all the land of the Palestinians. Nothing else will satisfy their insatiable greed. Israel is a mistake that will continue to perpetuate its evil until it is finally blown off the face of the earth. It has to be kept in mind that the only reason Israel was established in the first place is that no civilised nation on the face of the earth wanted these people within their own borders. One occasionally wistfully muses on how peaceful the world would be without this hebe-infested so-called nation.

  • Posted By: bajan man @ 01/16/2009 5:57:11 PM

    The Zionists have no sense of shame; they are savages. There is no justification for using those horrible incendiary weapons on anyone. Nor is there any reasonable justification for the incessant bombing that continues bringing death and destruction when there is no military purpose. The Zionists have killed over 913 civilians, of these, 342 were children. The results of their monstrous behaviour will be remembered for decades. The Zionists like to boast that they have an ???Democratically??? elected government; well so do the people of Gaza - that government is Hamas.

    The evil the Zionist are sowing will bear a fruit that will blossom into an intense loathing that will grow and perpetuate itself throughout time. If the Jews wanted to insure perpetual hatred from the civilised world, they have just guaranteed it. Space does not permit me to recount all of the atrocities committed by these people. Suffice it to say to call them monsters would be a compliment.


  • Posted By: Jim1348 @ 01/16/2009 4:14:02 PM

    I am inclined to think that Israel will wipe out Hamas, not because they particularly planned it that way, but because Hamas is too stupid to stop fighting. We will see.

  • Posted By: Hello... @ 01/16/2009 3:34:14 PM

    Daphne girl, bajan man, you two make a great pair, all the hate and venom. What if God told you you would get to enjoy your hate for all eternity, that you would get to wallow in it and do nothing about it? What if you faced Jesus Christ the moment you die? What will your reaction be? You both need to go thru a 12-step program. Of course, that would be foreign to Muslims. I am so thankful I was born in a country that is truly free, where I could find freedom in Jesus Christ. I don't suppose that would interest the two of you.

  • Posted By: Daphne Kenward @ 01/16/2009 2:46:29 PM

    I think the people in Israel with the exception of the few, are NAZIS from Germany, passing them selves of as Jews. The ones in America who are supporting these atrocity, are themselves groups of NAZIS who are groups of ZIONIST NAZIS who have no connection with Palestine or anywhere else in the Arab world.

    These evil beast, have planned this attack for over a year, they did the same thing in Lebanon two years ago in 2006. These people do not want peace they want the Land of Palestine lock stock and barrel. These are racist Nazis who have no respect for anything in the world. These people are a bunch of thieves, who have told so much lies, that if you dont remember that they are like their father the devil lie and deceive the world.

  • Posted By: bajan man @ 01/16/2009 2:07:48 PM

    Origin and identity of the so-called Israelis:

    Israel is the newest of all the so-called nations on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in 1948. Why? At the end of WWll the Western Powers felt guilty listening to the sad tales of the Jews, so they decided to be magnanimous and create a Israel. However, their feelings of guilt were tempered with the fact that the last thing they wanted was to have all those Jews coming to their countries. So they decided the best resolution was to give these people land they did not themselves own. The answer was the Palestinian Territories. It did not matter that the area was already populated and that less than 3% of that population were Jews. The main thing was that the indigenous people could not defend themselves from the encroachment of well-armed Jews. So the result was Al-Akbar, the tragic day when the Zionist started their murderous onslaught of the people the Palestinian Territories. One day, inshallah, the Zionist dogs will be sent packing.

    It has to be noted, the people who began to inhabit this area were not ???Israelis,??? they were Russians, Estonians, Latvians, Poles, French, etc, from all over Europe. They came there because they were offered free land. The word they put out was that any one was a Jew would become an Israeli citizen. Of course this did not apply to one of the oldest groups on Jews on earth, the Jews of Ethiopia because they are black. Even today, after years of persecution by the Zionists government, the Jews of Ethiopia, who the Israelis called Falashas a derogatory term like the N-word, have been condemned to the slums of Israel. They have difficulty finding work and are often denied health care. Inshallah the Zionist will be sent packing.

    Almost immediately they began to steal the land of the Palestinians with their illegal ???settlements. Murder and slaughter the of the Palestinian became a way of life for these ???so-called??? Israelis. There were the massacres at Sabra and Shatila, the atrocities committed in Lebanon two years ago, and the current inhuman slaughter. Space does not permit me to recount all of the atrocities committed by these people. Suffice it to say to call them monsters would be a compliment.

  • Posted By: ross1972 @ 01/16/2009 7:26:15 AM

    Islamic thought really suggest that innocent life should be spared IF AT ALL POSSIBLE and that any islamic army should use all force necessary to shorten the length of the war and have a quick resolution.come to think about it that sounds exactly like what israel is doing.

  • Posted By: Hello... @ 01/15/2009 3:49:14 PM

    tamerm, it's all propoganda. When you use women and children for sheilds and you don't let your people leave when they have the opportunity, it is a set-up. Anyways it is war. It is only a modern-day liberal, Western concept that some should be protected. There is coming a time when 1/3 of the world is going to perish --- do you think that will only be men? God is bringing judgment and it will affect everyone (at least all the nations that come against Israel).

    • Posted By: tamerm @ 01/16/2009 2:57:00 AM

      Hello Hello, it is not just a propaganda , it a matter of bombing inblocs to houses, UN centers, graves, and somtimes armed personnels. It is not a war. War is between two forces but in Gaza there is only one force and very limited resistence. In WWII we had seen these slaughters and now they are in garbage of the history. At some times we will see those slaughters in HISTORY GARBAGE. By the way if you in the islamic thoughts you will find that it is completly forbidden to children, women elderly people or surrenders but unfortunately what we see in the modern war is completely the opposite. God bless us

  • Posted By: bajan man @ 01/14/2009 11:51:47 PM

    Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 01/14/2009 11:47:08 PM

    You are absolutely correct. And the Jews have used tht so-called "holocaust" not only to create sympathy, but to create wealth. There are Jewish "holocaust museums" all over the world. Their main purpose: to generate wealth.

    • Posted By: AvoidDoubleStandards @ 01/15/2009 11:32:03 PM

      Yes,

      The Jewish Holocaust museums were established to create wealth. I heard that's a pretty big industry, holocaust museums. Somewhere between video games, pharmaceuticals, and energy conglomerates. You're pretty smart, to think of this ingenious way that Jews collect wealth.

      Give it up, racist. We're laughing at you.

  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 01/15/2009 11:01:37 PM

    I love the picture in the lightbox; typical liberals...wailing, crying, wringing their hands while their countrymen are fighting and dying to defend them from Palestinian rocket attacks. I guess that left-wingers are the same no matter where you go.

  • Posted By: Getitout @ 01/15/2009 10:33:51 PM

    Hello; @ 01/15/2009 3:49:14 PM
    My friend history made two major mistakes; Over 3000 years ago, if the Egyptian Pharoh didn't let the jews go, we wouldn't had that problem.
    When Hitler had his final solution to the jews, we should have let finish the job.
    Israel is but a headache to the world. And lets be serious about it. If it wasn't for the Palestinians, Israel wouldn't exist. If they stop it now, they will have some Hamas left to come back for a second time. Israel will never survive in this area unless it's in a conflict.

  • Posted By: DrewCAENG @ 01/15/2009 10:39:03 AM

    Why shouldnt they let the arabs into their fellow arab countries? Any Jew from anywehre in the world can move to Isreal. Is it because they are using the palestinians as a shield in which to fight Isreal? Palestinain suffering = more hate towards Isreal hmmmmm. Why should the Jews leave if they've been there for thousands of years?
    Yes, the IDF is sketchy lets not pretend they arent. They arent letting Journalists in becasue they know how the media slants everything agasint them (doesnt make it right however) and because in 2006 the media helped Hisbulla by reporting on Isreali troop movements and finally it would look bad on Isreal if foriegn jounralists were killed, even though Hamas killed their own people by mis-firing rockets and nobody seemed to care.

    • Posted By: tamerm @ 01/15/2009 2:56:58 PM

      To kill 1090 and injure 5000 victims, 40% are children is not amedia propaganda. Please just see the other face of the truth. These crimes will never vanish by time. Blood of the victims never lies. Do you think that all of these heavy missiles are innocent and dont kill innocent people. Do you think that this heavy Israelean armamentarial response do not affect civilians particulary bombing is on the palestinean houses. Please rethink about what you read and hear and what you dont hear and sea. If you want to know the truth , please just look in the eyes of the cadavers (chilren, women and elders).

    • Posted By: MBrando @ 01/15/2009 11:49:49 AM

      "This is Israeli propaganda, and it is a pack of lies." responded the Israeli Scholar and Professor Avi Shlaim to a question from Amy Goodman (Democracy Now) "Israel says the reason it has attacked Gaza is because of the rocket fire, the rockets that Hamas is firing into southern Israel."

      I will respond the same thing to your allegations that the Jews have been there for thousands of years. This is a pack of lies and Israeli propaganda . Israel drove the Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) from their home by force, commited genocide and massacres against innocent civilians, and forced them out of their lands. only 3% of the population were Jew post 1948, date when Israel was officially created.
      Samething for your allegations about the resistance in Gaza, the Israeli forces are bombarding all Gaza strip, even the graveyards are not spared, you're shelling even the dead people. You should be ashamed in what you're doing, the whole world is watching and witnessing what you're doing right now to the Palestinian people, it will come a time when you will pay a heavy price for your crimes and atrocities.

      You're not letting the foreign journalists in Gaza, because you wanna hide your UGLY FACE, you wanna hide your crimes against humanity. Israel is trying to sell to the world that she's a democracy, while she's in fact a terrorist sposored state and it's leaders are murderers and criminals.

      http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/14/leading_israeli_scholar_avi_shlaim_israel

  • Posted By: Hello... @ 01/15/2009 12:10:58 PM

    If yu'all want some good eating, come to my pig farm in Texas. Oh well, no takers? Go back to your war. Israel goin' win this one.

  • Posted By: Hello... @ 01/15/2009 12:07:40 PM

    The never seen Palestinian doves. The never seen Arab doves. The never seen Muslim doves. In any case there are 1100 less of the cowards. Score 1100 to 13.

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