Obama’s Cheney Dilemma

So torture works just fine over the long run on just about anybody and to say otherwise is just another evil thing that those damned of god liberal say. Better yet just assert as a truth - and so it is true. What a crock. Anybody care to do an honest risk analysis of the so called tortured prisoner "dilemma"? So all were determined enemies, despite a capture process obviously as flawed as the torture methods themselves. So all really want to take revenge, just a neo-con. Realistically, what can they do? The only way to hurt American troops is to lure them into where they are exposed, like in Iraq for instance. American troops in Kansas are really really hard to touch. Hijack another plane - good luck the doors to the cockpit now lock the way they should have on 9/11 and your fellow passengers will bring you down instantly. That attack vector is effectively blocked. Make a video saying nasty things, like that really hurts. Even if these guys got loose, a) they can't do much on their own, and b) there are already thousands or tens of thousands of their kind all ready running around. It's not like they possess nuclear secrets, or better yet where all the money scammed from the US Treasury in the name of TARP has been buried. The "threat" they pose is virtually non-existent. The terrible dilemma is a crock, or at least no worse than the American torturers who are still active and avoiding war crimes trials. So what goes here? No moral basis, no reality either.

This article emphasized the most critical thing that need to be obtained in this country when he referenced the Pedulum swinging... Balance. We have none now. We're all like a bunch of "Star bellied Sneeches". Everyone wants to point the finger at eachother never accepting any responsibility for thier own actions. The reality is the future doesn't happen... it is MADE to happen. The sad reality is another terrorist attack on our soil may not even be necessary. In the 7 short since years since 9/11 we've managed to tear ourselves to shreds. But we'll continue to blame bush, blame the liberals, blame the gays, blame god, blame our moms for not breast feeding us. God help and bless us all cause lord knows we're gonna need it. Freedom cost. In this country people will re-finance thier home to buy a boat... and don't even know how to swim. LMAO.

This is an American problem not a right or left problem. I have a question for our CIA, why didn't the CIA establish spy networks within every tribe, group, etc. when the Mujahideen was doing our dirty work in Afghanistan why didn't the CIA infiltrate these people? The truth is our government let us down, we learned after 9/11 that we had no spies in this part of world, the Jews have been fighting these people for ever, when was the last time an Israeli plane was hijacked? we can learn a thing or two from them but to spy on every American is ridiculous you identify your enemy you profile your enemy and you infiltrate your enemy destroying them from within. if we allow our government to spy on us, if we sit back and say or do nothing as our constitution is pushed aside , then our enemy has won, they want us to fear them enough to change who we are, we win when we stand strong and firm for what we believe in. at times like these our bill of rights and our constitution should be our strength, Our way of life is why so many Americans have bleed and died to defend we must not waiver ever!

Let's hope that President Obama feels morally compelled to clean the mess of Cheney and Bush. Unfortunately Americans and the incoming administration may never know the clandestine operations the outgoing administration used as tools in their quest for 'keeping America safe". We need to clean the slate as much as possible and show the United States as an upstanding member of the global community. That is how we will end the terror threat against this land!

First of all bwhorley, how can you predict history? Do you have a crystal ball. You have no guarantees that the past or the future will be known as the worst or the best. What you forget is that none of these men of the past or of the future are imune from mistakes, poor judgement or inherant problems they were left with....same with Obama - I am sure several years from now he will be blamed for things not created by himself. May I suggest an old movie call "Backstairs to the Whitehouse" you will be shocked at TRUE history of our past Presidents and the strange lives they lead. Do you realize most ran for office because their wives wanted the "status". It is about a maid who worked in the whitehouse and kept a diary....very enlightening how loose our country was conducted in the past and I dare say little has changed. Get it through netflix and just type in the title.

First off, davidlcjr I completely agree with you. That is one of the best posts I have read on this blog. I personally feel this country needs more severe punishment for CONVICTED criminals, not for those who have been locked up for years simply due to their origin. We are heading straight back toward slavery, which seems to be a place the Bush Administration would love to return. His form of slavery is not based only on race, but also financial standing. The poor should service the rich. And Shoresh, there is a reason other nations hate the US so much. With George W, being the main voice these nations hear from the US, can you blame them? We cannot judge a race/religion/country based solely on the leader associated with their residence. If that is the case Americans better not leave our borders with the leaders we have followed for the last 8 years.

LOL what would you left wingers suggest we do to obtain information for national security? Maybe put a few vases of daiseys in the cells with the suspected terriost and offer them a feather bed with candle light dinner and for deset we can simply pluck one of them feathers and tickles their ass with it to make them giggle and tell us everything we need to know. Hmmmm is that what terriost did to the Americans captured and tortured....no I don't think so, instead the be-headed them and filmed the episod so all of the owrld could view it, and to the families who seen exactly how their loved one died for their country. Give me a f***** break, OMG you people are pathetic

Remember how amusing the Left, the Democrats and the majority of the world thought it was when that Iraqi journalist threw his shoes at President Bush at a news conference in Baghdad? It was just so funny, wasn't it?
Well, the Democrats will be in charge of Congress and the Executive Branch in 5 days.
Urge your Democrat Congressman and Senators to hold frequent town hall meetings, and attend them when they do.
Wear loafers.

Whats so tuff about making a decsion about a terrorist that was suppose to kill Americans? I sure as heck hope he dont let this creep go.And that prison down in Cuba full of terrorist why can't they just fix the problems and keep it open I dont want them to turn them lose on us either whats the big deal. If they do turn all these terrorist lose just remmeber that I told you so.

Questioin: What is the difference between Bush/Cheney administation vs. the Obama administration?
Answer: Arrogance

Cheney is not a man to accept the fact that America voted a black man as a President.
Cheney's already eroded respect from his peers only made it worse by comments like this. He will go down in the history as most disrespected vice president. There are many things that I would like to vent my anger, but I will not let myself go down to his level.

A proud American/Korean. From Foothill Ranch,CA