Obama’s Unhealthy Choices

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  • Posted By: ploughman @ 01/13/2009 4:35:30 PM

    Samuelson missed a scapegoat: supposed American exceptionalism in having bad health habits. I don't buy it, but many do, and you can bet those opposed to health-care reform will try to use it as a fallback argument. Even Jay Leno talks about it a lot. While there's plenty of room for improvement in that area, countries we're being compared to have their share of bad habits as well. Some are well behind the U.S. on smoking, and others have bad diets or too much alcoholism.

    I think the useful stat was spending a third more than other industrial countries (controlled for incomes) and getting no benefit in terms of measured outcomes. Not only that, but we have tens of millions of uninsured or underinsured who get to worry day in and day out about something going wrong. Peace-of-mind doesn't show up in dollar figures, but costs there are substantial.

  • Posted By: cindydrake @ 01/13/2009 2:44:25 PM

    As others below pointed out, we can't comparison-shop medical care (except for elective procedures where insurance reimbursement is not involved) like we can cars or TVs. If I could, I would have done so.

    Also, insurance companies won't cover you on the free market if you have a pre-existing condition. My husband has type I (juvenile-onset, not the age-related type II) diabetes. If he didn't have insurance through his employer, he would not be able to buy it on the open market. Period.

    Healthcare costs don't go down when a new practice or hospital opens up because competition isn't really there. HMOs didn't help matters or foster competition, as has been said below.

    So, given those facts, this makes it clear that health care doesn't follow open-market rules.

    I do agreewith Mr. Samuelson that if someone is brain-dead with no hope of recovery, we shouldn't keep them alive at great expense to everyone else. I wouldn't want my family to do me that way.

  • Posted By: gginz @ 01/13/2009 1:59:49 PM

    Dedicated federal tax is a great idea. You get sick. You can choose between not getting the best care, and getting more sick or contributing to tax hike for everyone else. Of course everybody would choose getting more sick. In fact, they would instantly hang themselves for the fear of increasing everyone else's tax burden.

    The real issue that liberals are so blithe about and refuse to address is that there is no way to control the health costs without infringing on the rights of the individuals. If you get sick, there are two possibilities: you decide what kind of treatment you get or the government does. If you decide that, you will choose the best one available, consequences be damned. If the government decides that, you will get nothing, period. Nobody in the government cares about your health, nor ever will.

    It is interesting to note that the article totally ignores the cost of malpractice litigation, and more importantly, the cost of avoidance of malpractice litigation. Not only all the windfalls dolled out by the juries, but all the money quietly paid out in settlements by the malpractice insurance companies, hospitals, etc.; the stress and productivity loss it is causing for doctors, the extra medical services and overhead costs designed to avoid or protect from litigation, etc, How come nobody is spilling the beans on that?

  • Posted By: maverick1 @ 01/13/2009 9:41:47 AM

    I've been reading these comments and must confess that I am amazed. Maybe some good will come of the economic downturn.. Apparently most of the readers of Newsweek, or the commentators have never done a more difficult job than sitting in an ergodynamic-designed office chair, and reaped over-priced wages and salaries.
    If one deducts the income of the top 1% of Americans, the average American earns 10-12 dollars an hour. Do the math! I saw someone said he managed his health care costs at 7,600 dollars a year because he required scant care. Duhhhhhhhhh..that means he spends a third of what most Americans have in income a year on health care despite his much proclaimed "scant care". Maybe when a few more of you high-flyers are working at Mickey D's or standing at a cash register, you will wake up and smell the coffee. A third of one;s income with just scant care..and if you require anything else, you are programmed to get into debt. (Which has been the basis of the economy for years here now). I am more than tired of hearing "Why don;t people manage their expenses better?", when the fact is that the average American's wage level does not allow him the cost of health care, shelter, food and transportation (even if only to get to work) without using some form of debt. I repeat: this downturn may be good for something yet...welcome to the real world!

  • Posted By: Generic Person @ 01/13/2009 2:19:18 AM

    Thank you for accurately reporting what my college database has said on the subject. I only wish more people would listen to independent scientific research rather than politicians.

  • Posted By: nmintz_redondo @ 01/11/2009 11:06:00 PM

    Samuelson is right that the HMO system enables decoupling of costs- ironically congress created HMOs in 1973 to try and control costs and increase access. "Decoupling" - the economic term for when someone's purchasing decisions are detached from the burden of paying, is only a partial cause. While this explains patient's desire for additional goods and services, it doesn't explain the doctor's- who get to fight with insurance companies for every dime they want to spend. Doctor's are incentivized to run unnecessary tests and procedures to expunge themselves from liability due to inaction: the threat of being sued has not only increased liability insurance premiums (also increasing costs) but has make doctor's more likely to overtest. A oft-quoted study by law firm Towers Perrin pegs the cotsts of frivolous lawsuits at approximately 2.2% of GDP, a significant portion of which is in medical "malpractice". Aggressive Tort reform at both the state and local level could take a significant bite out of growing costs.

    • Posted By: foodandart @ 01/12/2009 12:57:31 AM

      Apparently tort reform has only saved 1 to 2% in states that have enacted it, so there really isn't as much to be saved there as many believe..

      You are correct however, that it is the malpractice and liability insurances that control most costs and ironically they may be behind the 55% quality rating for the protocol-driven 'care' that most Americans get.

      When one calculates risk against a profit-margin bell curve, roughly 50% of a national pool will fall into appropriate coverage range. The rest are ill served at best, and this *may* play into the large numbers of unsatisfied patients whose 'care' didn't meet their *individual* needs and sue.

      As I have stated over many years, those large multi-million dollar lawsuits that are won by the plaintiff are also a damning indictment of the actuarial-table generated, calculated, protocols MD's are forced to operate under.

      • Posted By: lvUSAproud @ 01/13/2009 1:03:54 AM

        If you do not want the lawsuits then you must make the doctors more accountable to start with. A doctor takes a mans foot off but oops it was the wrong foot. A nurse says that anyone could have seen which foot was the bad one, the one that was black and blue all over. An instrument is left in a patient and they have to have surgery yet again to have it removed. My mother had a mans arm band put on her and given the wrong meds and she almost died. Not to worry they got the band off and opps lost the page of the report that would have proved them negligent. I was in the hospital with a nervous break down and there at the same time was a doctor ( under an assumed name) and an surgical asst. both on drugs. You would not believe the things they talked about. How doctors and nurses worked everyday high. This one doctor did over one hundred surgeries while high and the asst. said due to shortages he worked in the OR for hours without sleep,again high. So if you want the lawsuits to stop then make the doctors take drug test on a reg. bases.

  • Posted By: grickel @ 01/12/2009 11:51:38 PM

    I have read this story carefully, twice. It has the ring of truth. Some suggestions: 1) Membership should not be voluntary. If every individual in America was eligible for the service, and participated in paying for it, the average cost of health care would decline. Ask any insurance actuary! That is Universal Health Care, and it works. 2) The idea of having a number of organizations offering health care services was great. It was assumed that this competition would hold down costs. Well it has not worked that way! They compete in many ways, mainly customer satisfaction, but it has not worked to keep down costs. Instead another layer of costs has been added, advertising, salespeople, customer care representatives and more. We need something else: A single payer system? Allow Medicare to negotiate with the drug companies? Some form of published prices for specific services, treatments, and pharmaceuticals? Individual Americans will continue to demand what they see as "the best". We need a way to satisfy these two conflicting demands. Perhaps Americans could enjoy a universal health care system AND use their individual disposable incomes to purchase luxury health care. 3) A long time ago Americans decided that every individual had the right to an education, regardless of the income or the education level of the parents. We solved the problem by taxing the land to pay for education (tenants pay through their rent), and by delegating to states the right to manage the schools according to local needs, while allowing Americans with higher disposable incomes to pay for their choices in education. Why can we not adapt some version of this system to Health Care?

  • Posted By: Ethan30 @ 01/11/2009 6:25:21 AM

    Well, Obama have selected a TV media star to head the public health in America, so you can tell how serious he is about health in America.

    Next we will be seeing more media stars, because with Obama- it's all about how it "LOOKS" and marketed. Not about expertise and credentials.
    Just ask the next guy to be the head of the CIA- he has no education or training that has to do with Intelligence. Not experience that has to do with security matters- but he is some sort of politician- so Obama chose him to be in charge of out national security and manage the threats to out lives.

    • Posted By: r_doss @ 01/12/2009 11:39:06 PM

      The CIA's "in charge of our national security"? Somehow I thought the Homeland Security Department was, especially the FBI. When did a counter-intelligence agency become in charge of our national security?

      Since you're bashing Obama before he even gets sworn in, I have to assume you're one of the sore-loser McCainiacs who would prefer for us to continue the disastrous foreign and domestic policies of George W. Bush. At least let Obama get sworn in before you start slamming him for W's screw-ups. Don't you think that's fair enough?

  • Posted By: daystar58 @ 01/12/2009 9:20:38 PM

    Three illustrative cases from my own personal experience: I had two children without so much as an aspirin. Nor medical testing (I'm not saying I didn't have blood work done, just no medical tests, like ultrasounds). My sister-in-law, on the other hand, had four ultrasounds during which the technician swore she was having a boy. Instead of Nicholas, out popped little Nicole...

    When my son was 18 months old, my chiropractor told me that I needed back surgery. You know it's bad when a chiropracter tells you surgery is indicated; my husband literally carried me into his office, I was in so much pain. I declined. I began swimming for exercise. It was excruciatingly painful at first, but it helped. Ten years ago, I began spinning (studio cycling). Now I teach classes. Today, fifteen years later, I take a couple of ibuprofen a few times a week. My friend, Carrie, now on her fourth back surgery, gets worse after every one...

    Third case in point: when I moved to Cincinnati from Columbus twenty years ago, I needed a prescription for a dermatology product. I went to a physician in my building (I worked at UC Medical Center at the time). We spoke for, say, five minutes. She wrote a prescription (I even told her the name of the product I needed). A few weeks later, I got the bill. It was for a level V visit: full medical history and exam, normally an hour or more of physician time. When I called and pointed out the discrepancy between my experience and my bill, I got a revised bill, labelled professional courtesy discount. The level of treatment didn't change, only the cost...

    I relate these three experiences because I have learned to distrust the medical-industrial complex and take charge of my own health. In fact, I don't consume half the health care I'm entitled to because I've chosen a path that creates wellness for me. Why is it that we don't require all Americans to take responsibility for their health, too? By building in incentives for people to pursue wellness (you lose weight, you save money on premiums) and freeing up health care dollars, more would be available to those who cannot afford health care and do not have access to it by virtue of their employer.

  • Posted By: daystar58 @ 01/12/2009 9:17:03 PM

    Three illustrative cases from my own personal experience: I had two children without so much as an aspirin. Nor medical testing (I'm not saying I didn't have blood work done, just no medical tests, like ultrasounds). My sister-in-law, on the other hand, had four ultrasounds during which the technician swore she was having a boy. Instead of Nicholas, out popped little Nicole...

    When my son was 18 months old, my chiropractor told me that I needed back surgery. You know it's bad when a chiropracter tells you surgery is indicated; my husband literally carried me into his office, I was in so much pain. I declined. I began swimming for exercise. It was excruciatingly painful at first, but it helped. Ten years ago, I began spinning (studio cycling). Now I teach classes. Today, fifteen years later, I take a couple of ibuprofen a few times a week. My friend, Carrie, now on her fourth back surgery, gets worse after every one...

    Third case in point: when I moved to Cincinnati from Columbus twenty years ago, I needed a prescription for a dermatology product. I went to a physician in my building (I worked at UC Medical Center at the time). We spoke for, say, five minutes. She wrote a prescription (I even told her the name of the product I needed). A few weeks later, I got the bill. It was for a level V visit: full medical history and exam, normally an hour or more of physician time. When I called and pointed out the discrepancy between my experience and my bill, I got a revised bill, labelled professional courtesy discount. The level of treatment didn't change, only the cost...

    I relate these three experiences because I have learned to distrust the medical-industrial complex and take charge of my own health. In fact, I don't consume half the health care I'm entitled to because I've chosen a path that creates wellness for me. Why is it that we don't require all Americans to take responsibility for their health, too? By building in incentives for people to pursue wellness (you lose weight, you save money on premiums) and freeing up health care dollars, more would be available to those who cannot afford health care and do not have access to it by virtue of their employer.

  • Posted By: Mtn Man @ 01/12/2009 12:13:14 AM

    I disagree that market mechanisms won't work.

    I switched in 2008 to a high deductible health plan plus a Health Savings Account. The sum of my premium + my HSA contribution = my premium for the higher-premium low-copay plan type I had chosen in prior years. The premium savings ($178 biweekly) were enough to fund my HSA at an amount just above the plan's $4K annual out-of-pocket cap (in-network; same for either option; same carrier for eithe option).

    I had $1500 left in my HSA at yearend, which is available for future years' medical expenses. Yearend leftovers in a Flex Spending Plan (which I had used in prior years) can't be carried forward for future years. My HSA experiment was a raging success. HSA's are fabulous! Their use should be expanded and encouraged.

  • Posted By: Mtn Man @ 01/11/2009 11:58:42 PM

    Samuelson makes it sound so painful. It doesn't have to be.

    In 2007 and prior years, I chose a (employer-sponsored) health plan with lower copay, higher premium, and supplemented it with a Flexible Spending Account to pay for the copays, deductible, and not covered out-of-pocket expenses with pre-tax dollars vs. after-tax dollars. I funded my FSA at about $150 per pay period.

    In 2008, I switched to a high-deductible employer-sponsored plan plus a Health Savings Account (works just like the Flex plan, but without the annual use-it-or-lose-it hassle). Same carrier, same annual out-of-pocket caps, same safety net for major medical expenses. But my premium is much lower ($178 per biweekly pay period). I funded the HSA with the premium savings ($178 per pay period).

    The amount withheld from my 2008 pay is the same as if I had chosen the low copay option and not contributed anything to a 2008 Flex Spending Plan. That saved me the total amount of my 2007 FSA contribution ($3600). Plus, I had $1500 left in my HSA at 12/31/08, which is available for future years' medical expenses. FSA money left at yearend would be forfeited, and unavailable for future years.

    HSA's are fantastic! Their use should be encouraged and expanded. By accepting the risk for the first $4,000 of annual out-of pocket expenses for my family, I save enough in premiums to fund the HSA with $4,000 out of pocket cap, and get to keep the leftover for use in future years. Everyone should do this.

  • Posted By: Getitout @ 01/11/2009 10:26:33 PM

    Right on Spacer; You are right on that"The insurance companies are not there for my health" Neither Mr. Obama.

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 01/11/2009 11:21:39 PM


      Can't you at least wait until the man actually takes over to make stuff up?

  • Posted By: nmintz_redondo @ 01/11/2009 11:05:41 PM

    Samuelson is right that the HMO system enables decoupling of costs- ironically congress created HMOs in 1973 to try and control costs and increase access. "Decoupling" - the economic term for when someone's purchasing decisions are detached from the burden of paying, is only a partial cause. While this explains patient's desire for additional goods and services, it doesn't explain the doctor's- who get to fight with insurance companies for every dime they want to spend. Doctor's are incentivized to run unnecessary tests and procedures to expunge themselves from liability due to inaction: the threat of being sued has not only increased liability insurance premiums (also increasing costs) but has make doctor's more likely to overtest. A oft-quoted study by law firm Towers Perrin pegs the cotsts of frivolous lawsuits at approximately 2.2% of GDP, a significant portion of which is in medical "malpractice". Aggressive Tort reform at both the state and local level could take a significant bite out of growing costs.

  • Posted By: foodandart @ 01/11/2009 1:10:12 PM

    No he probably doesn't vanwurs, but *I* do.

    44 years old never been with insurance a day in my adult life, eat proper diet that's appropriate to my blood-type, exercise at the gym 5 days a week, an fit and trim, would drink my own urine before I'd gag down a soda, don't smoke, don't expose myself to synthetics in my home or on my body, LOOK *easily* 10 years younger than I am and for ALL of this, have a *savings* account that gives me the ability to handily shop around and pay CASH for care that I need, when in that rare moment I *do* need attention.

    My annual *cost* for medical care is SUBSTANTIALLY *less* than 7,600 dollars per year.. I do not care so much about some insurance agent's life-*style* that I'm going to put HIS kids through school and buy him a getaway vacation bungalow on the shore, while he pays for care that is 55% of what it *should* be. Look at the NEJM study of healthcare quality done in 2006 or the RAND survey done in 2005.

    THIS is what insurance-covered care is all about. Mediocrity and a premium. Thanks, but no thanks..

    Cancer, diabetes, coronary disease.. all of these almost entirely PREVENTABLE if you do the unpopular thing and pay ATTENTION to what you put in your pie-hole.

    I don't exactly like tofu, but I eat it. I wouldn't mind an ice cream sundae for dessert but I pass.. Most evenings for sure I'd rather stay indoors rather than trot out to the gym.. These SACRIFICES I make to my comfort zone are done so I am NOT a costly BURDEN to the medical system. How many of the insured, who have an elitist attitude about it do not take responsibility for their own health?. After all, why *should* they.. they (and possibly YOU) have insurance so there is NO reason to work to maintain your own health..

    Would you like fries with that?

    • Posted By: manapp99 @ 01/11/2009 4:01:50 PM

      So what happens when your in that unavoidable accident, perhaps an automobile accident, and your left leg is crushed requiring 19 surgeries and months of hospital stays? Bills with totals like 56k or 87k start rolling in (just to start) and your damned glad you decided to invest in health insurance. In your case you still get all the treatment and are the most likely to declare bankruptcy passing your bill on to others.
      Thanks a lot.

      • Posted By: foodandart @ 01/11/2009 7:29:55 PM

        Hello!

        IF my leg was crushed, I'd just choose to have it amputated.. YOU may want the rocket-science gee-whizz-bang gotta have the best even if it puts YOU in the poor house treatment, but I cannot afford such a narcissistic, high ticket, dubious-worth choice. Nor would I. 19 surgeries? Come on Mr. Hyperbole. come down to earth with the rest of us that KNOW that just because it's best for putting a doctor or a medical center CEO into the upper-class tax bracket, it may NOT be the best for the individual patient.

        Nice try, cupcake.

        I don't NEED to have the newest, most expensive 'treatment'.. I need the one, that *works*.

        Besides, IF you have a half DECENT auto-insurance policy, it DOES have medical coverage for accidents. Believe it or not, you CAN choose to cover yourself for MORE than just what the 'minimum' that is offered. After all, If you go for the budget GEICO policy, that's advertised, well.. there you go.

        As to any cost you may fear having to pay at my behest for this imaginary accident.. it's unwarranted.

        The BEST part of NOT funding an insurance agent's retirement is that one CAN open a *savings* account (ever heard of it?) and have a nice nest egg to pay off bills with, AND if the bill is large enough it can be paid off in installments each month - just like most insured PAY each month - EVEN when they don't use healthcare. (your insurance agent thanks you for his nice home, BTW).

        For sure if you HAVE insurance and you get ill or in this hypothetical accident, you'll STILL be required to pay your monthly premiums when you get back to work. I would CHOOSE to pay the doctor directly, cutting out the middleman insurer.

        Which one of us only pays for their own care and isn't a part of this NEO-SOCIALIST medical money scam that the insured have bought into?

        DO please remember that it is YOU who pay in your premiums to cover the costs of those others in your insurance pool who have diabetes, emphysema, hypertension and all the other LIFESTYLE diseases that more often than not are a by-product of their own poor choices.

        ONE case of emphysema in your insurance pool - averages 20 to 30 THOUSAND per YEAR. (how many years can a person linger with this disease that most get from being stupid and smoking?)

        Here's a fun fact on diabetes.. http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20070410/diabetes-complications-cost-billions - pay attention to what he good Dr. Einhorn states on the second page..

        I could go on endlessly, but you get the point.. so before you get pissy with me, look to the people taking advantage of YOU because they will NOT change their poor habits.

        Don't get angry at me, because I make the correct choices and pay as I go for the scant care I need, AND manage to accrue a medical SAVINGS account.

        I'll NEVER ask YOU for anything.

        I can get it myself, or will go without - and have.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 01/11/2009 4:31:26 PM

    Samuelson conveniently forgets that medical care in this country is a commodity,not a right. Private insurance companies do not exist to provide health care, they exist to provide a proft to their investors. Right now the acceptable profit margin is about30 to 35%, so that for each dollar we invest in healthcare - about 30% goes into the pockets of insurance companies.
    According to a recent survey conducted by the WHO, France has the world's best medical system. It's cheaper than ours. Why? I was in Austria about two years ago. Austria's system occupies 9th place in the WHO survey. It's also cheaper than our system. According to the article I read in the Neue Krone Zeitung, most Austrias are pleased with their medical care. Why do these systems work and why does our system fail.
    Furthermore, Samuelson refuses to look at ways that increase the cost of medical care. Bush's veto of SCHIPS means a lot of sick children will become sick adults. Acceding to vide presidential candidate Sarah Palin's request, California Governor Arnold's Schwarzenegger vetoed a plan to clean up the air around LA;'s harbor. That means more sickness and higher insurance. Our failure to safeguard the environment causes higher medical bills.
    In addition, addictions to smoking and fatty foods - not to mention our subsidies for beef and pork also result in higher medical bills. There's a whole list of other unhealthful practices that cut medical care costs.
    Samuelson, a shill for private insurance companies, doesn't want to tell the truth. Obama's proposals do include a number of ways to contain health care, so do the plans proposed by the AARP.. I also suggest that people be allowed to enroll in Medicare at any age. Or, they could opt for the same health care plan offered to members of Congress Or perhaps we could merge the medical care plan that Congress enjoys with Medicare. Providing health insurance for everyone, practicing preventative, proactive medicine - and eliminating the pharmaceutical companies; profiteering from Medicare D would make a more affordable system.
    Other counteries can provide high quality medical care at a cheaper price. Why can't we?
    P.S. In the WHO study, the US ranks 37th. Cuba is 39th - albeint Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate than the US. Why?

  • Posted By: vanwurs @ 01/11/2009 12:46:47 PM

    I've beern reading your writings for years (going back to the HillaryCare controversies of the 90's), and I always find it interesting and ironic when you talk about other folk's "agendas". Your agenda has been clear for twenty or so years. You just don't like too many people having health insurance. Bottom line. And I don't really understand why. I supose, from the what you've said above, and in the past, it's because they drive up the cost of health care by using too much of it. If they weren't all insured, then they would have to be a lot more frugal, and forego that unnescessary test and optional operation.

    I'm curious, Ms Samuelson, is that how you conduct your health care life? For the greater good, of course. Do you wait to go the doctor until the pains spread all the way down you arm and into your chest and your are about to pass out on the floor, because, after all, we don't want to unnecessarily burden the costly health care system?

    Do you forego that expensive test when you find a lump on your....oh, let's see, testicles, for instance, because after all, it might me nothing, and after all, I dojn't want add to the spiraling cost of health care for everybody else? Do you do without full and comprehensive coverage in order to let the market discipline you decisions?

    Or are you just talking through your hat, and want the rest of us to do without good insurance so that you won't have to pay so much for the insurance and coverage you have never done a day without in your very fortunate life.

    How 'bout some personal testimony here? Do you practice what you preach?

    • Posted By: Spacer @ 01/11/2009 4:24:04 PM

      I think what Samuelson is saying basically is this: If you're sick, just shut up and drop dead.That's what will solve the health care crisis.

  • Posted By: Spacer @ 01/11/2009 4:18:48 PM

    ???On paper, there are various ways to control health spending: impose stricter regulations on prices and the availability of care; adopt "market mechanisms" that push consumers toward more efficient, more effective or skimpier care.???

    Gee, I wish I worked for Newsweek so I could get Samuelson???s lavish healthcare plan. Where I work, I have a PPO plan (preferred provider organization). What my company???s medical and dental insurance company will pay for is STRICTLY limited. I???m not in the age group where I have to worry about the ???luxury??? of getting a hip or knee replacement that Samuelson is obsessed with, but this hardly seems to be a luxury to me.

    Samuelson is one of those free marketeers who think the magic of the market place cures all ills. Yeah. Look what unfettered and predatory capitalism has done for our economy. The insurance companies are NOT in business for YOUR health.

  • Posted By: weisberger @ 01/11/2009 3:27:56 PM

    Wh not simply regulate charges and define appropriate care? Why does a CT or MRI need to cost what it does, and be used so often?Why do we do so many knee and hip replacements? These are simply examples of oligopoly pricing and the prescription of resource use which benefits the prescriber. Transferring the cost of care to the patient is not the answer - patients will simply avoid care, and the result will be decreased health for many. Sick people do not shop costs as we do for a TV, nor do they have the necessary information - there is an asymmetry of information between patient and provider. Therefore the use of "consumerism" as a solution breaks down. Plus every interaction is unique to that individual and fraught with anxiety - I guarantee that no matter your thoughts on healthcare policy you will not shop around when you have a perceived emergency. Societally we must assume the willingness to provide affordable healthcare for everyone, and the most honest and direct way to do that is to define costs and appropriate care with broadly accepted guidelines issued by a central authority. One must be honest enough to acknowledge that health care is not a usual consumer good and not cling to economic theories that do not apply in this circumstance.

  • Posted By: manapp99 @ 01/11/2009 11:56:21 AM

    The only way to bring down the cost of health care substantially is to limit the options available. The cost of any procedure is not going to come down unless we limit the procedural options you have to address a given problem. For instance, a large part of drug cost is in research and development. If you limit the amount of r and d a drug company spends the cost of the drugs they are selling can come down as they will not need the excess profits to cover the costs of drugs that never make it to market. The downside is that there will be far less inovation in bringing new life saving drugs to market and we will just have to make due with what has already been developed. This is why drugs negotiated by the VA and foreign governments such as Canada are cheaper. They do not have access to the full range of drugs and the rest of us are obliged to pay full retail plus in order to cover the shortfall.
    Also, a government run sytem would try to cut costs by not allowing you to chose what procedure you wish to have for your situation. Today you can schedule a knee replacement surgery to aleve the pain caused by normal wear and tear at your discretion. In a government run system you have to apply for permission to have the surgery and you are likely to be told that your situation is not dire enough in the grand scale and you will be denied. The rich willl still be able to buy the same procedure out of pocket while the rest of us will just have to suffer.

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