Bring In the Diplomats

San1 - Nice stoey,

BUT YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THE ROCKETS!

ACT LIKE ANIMALS, YOU WILL BE TREATED LIKE ANIMALS!!! - HEAR THAT jarhead???

NUFF SAID

Mein Herren; Nordland and Haas:

I am a Jew and you two make me puke!!

Two Nazis' on the staff of Newsweek igniting more terrorism.

I think the word ???self-defense??? should be redefined. Imagine if someone comes to your home, kills your children, locks you inside the bathroom, and declare that the property is his now! As desperate as you are, you open a hole into the exterior wall to have your hand reaching food, water, and a stone to defend yourself when needed. Unluckily, the invader discovers the whole, cuts your hand, tears down the bathroom over your head, and goes all around the neighborhood saying he???s the victim. Worst, your neighbors who know the truth consent his right to self-defense. This is the story of the Palestinian people. It???s not a thousand-year story, as some people think. It is happening since 1948 when Israelis founded their state on the Palestinian land, and the chapters of Palestinian misery are continuously written under the title Israel???s right to self-defense.

minniemeatball, it is their religion that keeps them down. There is no hope for the Palestinians as long as they live in hate. This is the only thing passed on from generation to generation.

Why stop a war where both sides are winning? 3 million a month in international aid (one dollar a barrel from all neighbors and the US) would employ about 5000 Palestines -chosen randomly, publically from elgible applicants, working under Saudi and UAE contractors would begin reconstruction. Work stops immediately for any rocket, or violence against Isreal, until the threat is resolved.. Five years of work and prosperity, without corruption should diminish old resentments. aamauer

Excellent discussion. In addition, the twin carrots of foreign monies for economic development (jobs) and for better schooling for the youth (knowledge) should prove to be powerful incentives for almost all Palestinian families to hope for and to work for a peaceful two state solution. Without these two elements, Palestinian youth has no economic or political future acheivable.

Excellent discusion. The twin carrots of foreign economic investment into Palestinian lands (jobs) and monies for improved educational facilities (knowlege) would prove powerful incentives to all Palestinians to work for a peaceful two state solution.

There is no any option on the table,
other than one,seems all the powers has been concentrated on the one point,
United Nations looks helpless without it,
peace negotiation are still going on,
with carnag,attrocies that is continueously being committed.

What will do Gazans in such circumstances,
while the world institution are not safe,
being targeted.

According to the reliable and independent sources,
Isaraeli militaryalso shelled the United Nations headquarters,
a hospital,five -high rise apartment building and building housing media outlets
in the Gaza strip.

Leaders of different countries,
like germany,United Kingdom are calling for an urgent action,
realizing cease fire in Gaza strip,
but useless still no respons.

Outrage has touched its last end,
medical suply to the injured has been stoped,
in this connection,greec's obection has very importance,
when they strongly protestedto israel,
after its navy turned back a boat,
charted by greec activist to take medical aid to the Gaza strip,
the boat was carring huge consignement of medicines for injured/traped.

Perhaps, endgame mission has accomplished,
signal has started coming,
top state department official describing the incident accured in the U.N.building,
as unfortunate,
saying she has sopken to the effensive about the difficulties,
caused by shelling in the United Nations compound.

Israeli foreign minister is despatching United Staes,
so signal,regarding the cease fire is expected.

A new set of middle east advisors is needed for the incomming Obama administration. People like Dennis Ross and other so called experts on the issue for the last twenty years have been proven time and again to lack the intelectual honnesty to ask Israel to make the hard choices that are needed on both sides. Time and again the burdden is put on the Palestinians that their lives are worth the same as Israeli's... Is it too much to ask for fairness?

Thank God, a sensible voice in the wilderness of violence and testoterine.

Lets break it down to a simple basis. There are rules and laws that govern societies. Firstly Israel does agree that Palestinian statehood is a must. In order to gain statehood what is needed?
1- A government for the people.
The present government has nothing to do with the people. They are a proxy government for Iran and Syria. Syria by the way has never signed a treaty with Israel. They are technically at war, howver with strict cease-fires. In exchange for this proxy, Arms and propaganda are stremaed into Gaza, so Hamas may be armed in rebellion against a country who wants peace to suceed.
A true government for the people would create police, not military extremists. They would mandate schooling and provide facilities in which to learn. The unemployment rate in Gaza is one of the highest in the world. Illiteracy is rampid. The Government can not do what it needs to do, because the society is basically brainwashed and have been given a bad bill of goods and promises from the proxy government.
Since the proxy war and government do exist, let me ask this vital question.

Why isn't Syria or Iran funding the Gazans and building infrastructure. The Gazans have no hope no future and no feelings of glee. They are repressed not by Israel, but by Hamas, Iran and Syria.
Why is ther such outrage and protest when they are attacked by people who are only trying to defend themselves?
Where were the protests from the Arab people and governments when Gazans and other extremists go elsewhere and blow people up?
Why do people call it an occupation when they have been granted the right to statehood?
This is very puzzling to me, there is a clear cut right vs wrong. The Gazans have been manipulated and used basically to deny Israel it's right to exist.
Now more questions;
Complaints about disproportional warfare? Absurd. You win armed conflicts by being disproportional, thats how it works.
Did the bombs in Japan end the war, basically yes. Were they proportionate?
Injuring civiliams? When you fire rockets from schools, UN facilities and hospitals, what do you expect the enemy to do? Is the firing of rockets into towns in Israel aiming at soldiers? The arab stance on these is the propaganda I had eluded to earlier. Are people also forgetting that Judaism, the world's third oldest religion is based in Israel, or Canaan as it was known. The right for Israel to exist cam long before Islam was a religion. Just another note. Islam was created by the constituents of Mohammed. Ishmael carried out the beliefs of Muslim in the name of Mohammed. The regime of Ishmael was to punish or kill anyone who did not believe or convert. They were also known to get high on hashish and go out and terrorize. They were known as hassassins, which now is known as assassins. Just thought you might like to know.

Many of you may want to read what people who live there are saying - instead of blindly swallowing biased views expressed by incompetent media. Following article was published in Harretz on 01-15-08 and available online. Please read and then ask the question why they hate us? I just started reading Israeli Media web sites - and god bless them for speaking up truth instead of saying "palestanian are killing palestaninas" .

Last update - 14:47 15/01/2009
The IDF has no mercy for the children in Gaza nursery schools
By Gideon Levy, Haaretz Correspondent
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God does not show mercy on the children at Gaza's nursery schools, and neither does the Israel Defense Forces. That's how it goes when war is waged in such a densely populated area with a population so blessed with children. About half of Gaza's residents are under 15.

No pilot or soldier went to war to kill children. Not one among them intended to kill children, but it also seems neither did they intend not to kill them. They went to war after the IDF had already killed 952 Palestinian children and adolescents since May 2000.

The public's shocking indifference to these figures is incomprehensible. A thousand propagandists and apologists cannot excuse this criminal killing. One can blame Hamas for the death of children, but no reasonable person in the world will buy these ludicrous, flawed propagandistic goods in light of the pictures and statistics coming from Gaza.

One can say Hamas hides among the civilian population, as if the Defense Ministry in Tel Aviv is not located in the heart of a civilian population, as if there are places in Gaza that are not in the heart of a civilian population. One can also claim that Hamas uses children as human shields, as if in the past our own organizations fighting to establish a country did not recruit children.

A significant majority of the children killed in Gaza did not die because they were used as human shields or because they worked for Hamas. They were killed because the IDF bombed, shelled or fired at them, their families or their apartment buildings. That is why the blood of Gaza's children is on our hands, not on Hamas' hands, and we will never be able to escape that responsibility.
A child who has seen his house destroyed, his brother killed and his father humiliated will not forgive.
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I don't think Israel is killing Palestinians - I think Palestinians are killing Palestinians. They started a fight that they know they cannot win. The only reason they are doing this is to outrage the Arab nations and create more terrorists. Palestinians proved themselves to be not worthy of the Holy Land when they put Hamas in charge of their country. They are a terrorist state and a disgrace to all humankind. I also take offense to the notion that there are Palestinian moderates - who ever heard of a moderate terrorist? Are you kidding me?

It's a pure fact. In the middle of all wars and terrorism on the planet are Muslims. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. Everyone is sick of their extremists costing every country in the world billions every year. They are in the former Soviet Union, Pakistan, Afganistan, U.S, causing trouble in England, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Israel...must I go on? What are they proving. No one wants to be part of a religion that is a pain in the butt of all civilized countries.

bkordo,

Why would the US put Canada under seige? Why would it block medicines from reaching Canada's citizens? Why would it destroy it's democracy? Why would the US assassinate Canada's leaders? Why would the US send tanks into Canada? Why would the US send jets into Canada and indiscriminately shread innocent civilians in the streets? Why would it block it's financial institutions?

And after doing all this AND MUCH MUCH MORE would you be surprised if Canadians created homemade rockets and sent them into the US?

This is a very simple equation. Put yourself in the shoes of the Israelis. If Canada was sending rockets over the border into Buffalo or Detroit the US would respond with the full force of the US military. The same would be true on the southern border. For that matter the same would be true of any nation state that is able to protect itself. If Hamas is going to represent the Palestinians in nation-statehodd then they must be prepared to accept the rules that nation-states abide by. Politics, history and religion aside these are the rules that all nations live by.

Deshe,

If Israel wanted to make the south of Israel safe from homemade
rockets they would have made the ceasefire work. People who
want to find the facts can, though the major US media outlets
work against this, and it is clear that this was not Israel's priority.

But here I am playing into the zionist game. The handwringing
about homemade rockets is the ultimate smokescreen. It is
grotesque and an absurd assault on logic. The disparity between
what Israel has done and what Israel wields militarily, financially,
politically and with media resources is an elephant to a one-winged gnat.
Gaza has been under seige. And foremost Israel has waged war on Peace.

The Arab states offered Israel recognition in exchange for Israel
removing themselves from the Occupied Lands. Hamas has accepted
publically the idea of a two-state solution based upon the 1967 borders.
Jimmy Carter brought the offer of "RECOGNIZE ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST
in peace and security within the 1967 borders" from the leadership of
Hamas.

When the Arab states humbled themselves and flew to Jerusalem in the
summer of 2007 with their offer of recognition, they were not greeted
with celebrations and tickertape parades led by Israel's leaders. No,
they were practically brushed aside and sent shamefully packing.

Hamas' offer of recognition to Israel has only gotten them bombed, arrested
and assassinated.

Jimmy Carter is a pariah in Israel.

Israel does not trust Peace they trust War.

Israel wants more land not more peace.

The attack on Gaza is to defend Israel from Peace. It is also an
attempt to recover their reputation. Their military reputation was seriously
tarnished from the 2006 War on Lebanon. The slaughter of innocent
civilians in Gaza is an attempt to Terrorize the region into heightened
fear of Israel.

Israel is also undergoing political campaigns. A qualification for
leadership in Israel is, foremost, one of Terrorist.

This is an ironic swan song for George Bush. His War On Terror
has been the key note of his misadministration. But it has always
been a Siren's Song of Delusion, a propaganda war of redflagged
phoney missions. I think the dog's tail is on fire and Israel is
finally enlightening the world to it's true nature -- Terrorist.