Bring In the Diplomats

KAckermann said "Obama stands little chance of getting Arab nations to support any kind of sanctions against Iran".

I welcome the opportunity to provide you with some information. And am betting you are open minded and will absorb it.

The Arab nations for years and years and repeatedly tried to get the Middle East declared a WMD Free Zone. They attempted this long before the invasion of Iraq. Syria tried it weeks after "Mission Accomplished" (or was it days?) when Powell visited Syria, but in our haughtiness the notion was pooh-poohed.

Who do you suppose is blocking the declaration of making the Middle East a WMD Free Zone? The Arabs? Iran? or Israel/US?

One hint: the Israeli Prime Minister the other day bragged that he had Bush pulled off from a podium during a speaking engagement and told how to vote in the Security Council (the Security Council was voting on the Gaza slaughter).

One thing Israel has managed to do is influence Iran's atomic efforts. Obama stands little chance of getting Arab nations to support any kind of sanctions against Iran. The all-clear, and full-steam-ahead bells have rung on that one.

I am stunned that Newsweek has not reported on some of the material that has surfaced on YouTube during this conflict. The IDF is anything but professional. I don't know if it is all Israelis, or if the military is brainwashing, but I have never seen such a racist, hateful bunch of cowards in my life.

Using a dead Palestinian for target practice, I think, is worse than shooting a blindfolded, bound prisoner. Both are on YouTube along with an interview with an IDF soldier talking about sterilizing Gaza.

Israel may be winning the battle, but they lost the war.

USA have to stop Israeli's agression to Palestine what ever their done isnt justice anymore, that is massacre of holocaust part II after NAZI???s as Zionist???s ritual and revenge to celebrate holocaust in 27th January becomes whered very much civilians killed especialy kids, womens and old people whom have no responsible rockets stricking israeli's area. War thought is primitiveness of operation and Arroganty, whered humanism is broken, cause humanism assure is a principle to found a state.

How much Palestinian killed after Israeli???s declaration on 1948? Israelis??? aggression 27th December 2008 till now is bigger of holocaust Part II, to genocide another as revenge Zionist???s happened. If Israsel balamed Hamas on this case, I guesss Hamas would to blamed back of Olmert whered Hamas haven???t no promised to have a weapon, to protecting Palestine.

The Zionists have a more grander plan of creating a greater Israel. How can it let Palestine to exist? At least Hams and Iran are sincere in saying that Israel has to be wiped out the surface of the earth. The Zionists have the same intention towards the Arabs but are afraid to mention it. But I would describe Israel as a "Zombie State" that cannot be alive on its own accord. Israel needs the "life" transfusion for it to be alive and kicking. This "life transfusion" comes in various forms and one of them is the support from the US in the form of economy, security and politics. Another analogy is Israel is like a dead person who needs four people to move it around and ultimately be buried by others after it starts to smell bad and disturb all the people around it. The four people carry the dead person is the US, Britain, the Zionists and all the Israel's allies.

PFC
(Palestine fried Childrens)

IDF would like to cook it for you
PAlestine Fried Childrens
its must be Yummy for you
no sauce cause its Bloody
lil bit Radiation and white phosphorus
in party of holocaust part II

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6) The "settlements" you're talking about are just a gross factual mistakes. There are settlements - true - In the north, on land returned to the SYRIANS. There has been a TOTAL departure from the strip in 2005 and no settlement has been there since (according to the agreed border, that is. as far as Hamas is concerned it should own the entire land, and then each and every Jewish home is a settlement in "their land").
7) This is far from genocide. This word gets thrown around very easily these days, but in an unjust manner. Genocide is when there is an attempt to wipe a nation off the ground. There is no such intention in that operation.
Yeah, approximately 1000 Palestinians were killed in the last 20 days, which is a shame and it saddens a lot of Israeli people too. But if genocide was really an intention the death toll would be in the tens of thousands by now. People like to turn the holocaust on this operation because it has a poetic irony to it, but other than that it's quite... disproportionate (how is that for an irony in selection of terms?).

SonnyX's response was poorly written, biased and in some cases factually inaccurate, I can see why some will find it annoying (I did), that doesn't mean that the opposite of what he's said is right.

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4) It's really easy to say that Gaza is overpopulated and Hamas has no where to evacuate it's civilians to. The truth is that Gaza city is densly populated mainly because Hamas wanted it to be. The current regime doesn't expend it's areas because it needs the dense population as a hideout. The truth is that civilians have many places to go to due to the following:
- IDF is nice enough to drop leaflets announcing the next target area even though it raises the compromise to any operation
- Outside of Gaza and the other large cities most of the strip is actually unoccupied. True, there is no infrastructure there, that's the reason why (Ironic, isn't it)?
- the attacks of the air force are very precise and with a general advance warning. True, it's impossible to avoid civilian casualties in such terms but again - who is to blame for that? Who molded civilian occupation to suit it's military needs in advance?
- The troops and tanks are on the edge of Gaza, where civilians should be evacuated from. They aren't - that's not Israels responsibility to bear.
5) Israel's attack is not disproportionate. You can't measure proportions in body count. You should ask yourself if the goal (having peace restored in the south and stop the bombings) is justified, and if the means taken to ensure it are the essential minimum. Read up and decide for yourself (but DO read up first, your current opinion is prejudiced). Every rocket shot into Israel from the strip is a violation of section 51 of the international law, according to which Israel has the right to a full blown military response. To be accurate - they have had it for 8 years now. Mind you, what's happening in the strip now is far from "Full-Blown", Israel's military capacities are immense and potent.
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You people talk a lot.
You also keep waving the "ignorance" flag while telling the other side he should "do some more reading about the history of Gaza" and blah blah blah but it seems that none of you have. I'll address some of the issues that I found disturbing.
1) You people seem to think that because the rockets are puny, homemade junk that hardly hits civilians makes it OK for Hamas to shoot them. You don't seem to grasp with the reality of living in an area where alarm bells ring on a daily basis and a rocket could hit anywhere at any given time. Yeah, the success rates are ridiculously low, but people under life threat don't really give a damn about statistics, do they? The truth is that Israelites living in the southern areas (Sderot, Ashqelon etc,) are under a crisis. The mental stress and need to be constantly prepared is just an added value to the fact that businessplaces and factories had fled to northern regions leaving tens of thousands of family people unemployed.
2) More on them Gazan shells. One of you asked "are they not Hamas trying to protect itself from the occupation?". There is only one word to answer this question - NO! Read up on history before making such claims... Palestinians were given the strip, moreover, Israel had an interest in having the strip folks flourish and having peaceful relationships. They have left ultra-advanced greenhouses behind which produced products with a circulation in the multi-million area. You know where those green houses now? Most of them were demolished by Hamas in the name of Jihad (you see, they are unfit for use as "remains of the Jewish Apartheid") and the rest are ammunation caches, hideouts and tunnel exits.
3) When given the strip, the Palestine regime was expected to take care of itself on it's own, like any country should - it haven't. Israel was under no obligations but was generous enough to supply them with water, electricity and infrastructure all while STILL BEING BOMBED from the Gazan front. Israel isn't preventing the Palestinians anything they deserve from it, they are lowering amounts of something that were given to them out of pure generousity as a gesture of peace and mutual help.
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It's difficult to get your mind around the fact that Hamas cares nothing about the Palestinians it rules except as tools in its campaign to wipe out the Zionist "abomination." Hamas is a fundamentalist Islamic sect that believes that any land once controlled by Muslims must always remain so and that it is the duty of all Muslims to return any lost lands to Muslim hegemony. So when they embed their mortars and rockets in civilian neighborhoods, and drag children and women to rooftop launching sites because they know the Israelis are unlikely to attack non-combatants, they believe they are "assisting" them in performing their Islamic duties. The sort of rationality that worked in Northern Ireland is inapplicable here. The only way to resolve the Hamas threat angainst Israel is to eliminate it.

If anyone can say to me that Israel will give up all lands occupy during the 1967 wars, regardless if the Palestinians agrees with Israel on all its demand. You are a fool. Israel knows she has the upperhand, militarily, financialy, and the support of the United States. If the Palestinians would have had a state, they would have had it long time ago. And lets not all blame it on the Palestinians either. Israel rather use force than diplomacy to solve the crisis. They can win it militarily, but not diplomaticaly. They have to give up lots of lands, some of them looks real nice with it high rises, shoping mall, and so on. Come on, does anyone thinks that Israel going to give all that back. Israel needs someone like Hamas, not as much as Hamas needs Israel. Its a jungle over there. Only the stronger will survive.

Israel was attacked three times and beat the attackers back each time gaining more land each time. Now 40-60 years later, after building it up and makeing part of a modern country they need to 'give it back' to the attackers who lost it for simply a consideration of 'peace' what a joke....

Mr.Haass persists in believing that what the Palestinians want is the same things we in the West want, i.e. peace, security, schools for our kids, a good job, and the like. Arafat said it most plainly, and lived his life accordingly; he would say it only in Arabic of course, but it basically stated "we don't care if it takes a thousand years, but we will never accept the existence of Israel in our land, and we will not stop fighting until the Jews are driven into the sea." Golda Meier said it even more poignantly, that "peace will only come when the Palestinians love their own children more than they hate ours".
When will the CFR and Mr. Haass finally "get it?" Peace will only come through strength, effective deterrence, and at least a generation of change in the Palestinian attitude toward life itself.

All Israel is doing in politics by other means. They are convincing the palestinian electorate that they f$%ked up when they voted these terrorists into power.....I have a feeling Hamas won't fare so well in the next elections. That's if they permit one....usurpers and criminals ...kill them all

Likeitis, You are disgusting, what is wrong with you! I wish you and your family the same fate you wish upon the Palestinian people.

Likeitis, You are disgusting, what is wrong with you! May you and your family have the same fate you wish upon the Palestinian people.