Ballad of the Sad Cafes

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  • Posted By: TSH332 @ 01/14/2009 3:14:35 PM

    This place was nearly unbearable during the winter before the ban. We stayed home and prayed for warmer weather when we could choose to eat outside and escape the impenetrable smoke clouds that filled the restaurants in Paris. Fine author, you can complain that the "ambiance" of Paris has been damaged by a smoking ban. I bless the people of Paris who wanted this and finally made it happen. Paris belongs to the non-smokers who live here too.

  • Posted By: Evoluted1 @ 01/14/2009 2:48:59 PM

    Real slim K got it right. Idiots, don't like smoke go somewhere else! Save me from the morality police!

    • Posted By: barb_martin @ 01/14/2009 3:00:01 PM

      Let me guess Evoluted1, your mother smoked and drank alcohol while pregnant with you? Sure, its her right and its legal to smoke and drink, but stupid. Why are non-smokers idiots. We are not the ones coughing and hacking with a higher cancer rate. How about if you don't like not being able to smoke, stay home? Statement goes both ways

      • Posted By: papajon0s1 @ 01/14/2009 3:14:03 PM

        No, this decision should be up to the business owner, not the state. The morality police only need to make people aware, not try to save them from themselves. It's like trying to make water flow uphill.

        (Never took a single puff in my life)

  • Posted By: bhvbum @ 01/14/2009 3:13:55 PM

    Sorry folks, the real problem is I'm picking up the tab for the smokers. Of course we could care less if you choose to kill yourself doing anything, but unfortunately what I pay for health insurance is also tied to how well you take care of yourselves. I suspect there isn't a cancer victim alive who would say on their deathbed, I am so happy I started smoking!!

  • Posted By: gnikja @ 01/14/2009 3:12:48 PM

    Smoking is a foul and fillthy habit that take away the non-smoker's right to smoke-free air and litter-free paths. Smoke until you drop for all I care, just do it out of my airspace, and don't make our world your ashtray.

  • Posted By: GeoFla @ 01/14/2009 3:11:27 PM

    I think here in Florida they have come up with a decent compromise. Being a smoker I have learned to live with it, not like it but live with it.

    If more that 20% of your revenue comes from food sales, no smoking is allowed except outside.
    If less that 20% is food sales, smoke it up.

    This does give some business owners the ability to adjust their business to cater to smokers if they so choose. We are lucky enough to have a pretty decent climate so it's not as big of a deal.

  • Posted By: gnikja @ 01/14/2009 3:10:38 PM

    Smoking is afoul and filthy habit that pollutes everyone's air space and trashes everyone's world. Smokers do not have the right to choose to take away a non-smoker's right to smoke-free air and a litter-free path.

  • Posted By: papajon0s1 @ 01/14/2009 3:10:28 PM

    I've never even taken a single puff of a cigarette in my 43 years of life oh hooray for me but I believe smoking bans are a terrible idea This should be up to the business, not the state. The last thing coutnries need is more government intrusion.

  • Posted By: whynot11111 @ 01/14/2009 1:57:13 PM

    Unfortunately ITMO's communistic views have become the majority. Is there nowhere left on earth where man can be free?

    • Posted By: ItMo @ 01/14/2009 3:08:07 PM

      You could try N Korea, where the only real "success" at communism has ever existed (albeit at the point of a bayonette). Doing one's part for the group (town, city, state, nation) and providing value to that group is not in conflict with Capitalism; in fact, all Socio-political views acknowledge the stong need of its population to contribute. The form, control and supervision of that contribution is where they vary. Capitalism is no less concerned with the "good of the whole" than communism.
      I know that I need to contribute. But I do it in my own way, and in ways that allow me and my family the most personal benefit. That's my freedom.

  • Posted By: Ryan in South Texas @ 01/14/2009 3:06:49 PM

    First, let's rememember that the French outlive us (U.S.) even though they smoke more than us. The Chinese outlive us while smoking more. The Chinese have 1/1000 of the DOCTORS as the U.S. per person. So MR. MD., with the facts cracking your back like a whip of reality, explain how they live longer. Perhaps its the totality of lifestyle more than any one factor.
    Also, 1/3 of all people with lung cancer did not smoke nor were secondhand smokers.
    The thing is - a DOCTOR will never tell a lifelong smoker that there was a 1 in 3 chance that they would have gotten lung cancer anyway.
    A DOCTOR won't fess up to the fact that it is only the dangers of childbirth and childhood disease having been reduced that has resulted in our incresed life expectancy. If you go to old cemetaries you can see all of the infants, children, and pregnant/birthing women. When you average a zero years of age with a Ben Franklin old big number, you get the smaller lifespans of days gone by.
    Smoking is not good for you, but the government doctors have said that an ultra light cig. with a one inch filter is NO safer than a camel unfiltered. Have they ever smoked? When our DOCTORS stand by false propaganda, we have to wonder when or if they are telling the truth. When was the last time you heard of a DOCTOR admitting to a mistake? That has to be dragged out of them (if it ever emerges) in court and only if a honest nurse risks their career and tells the patient what really happened.
    The risks of secondhand smoke are overblown.
    AND no one, not even a DOCTOR, can answer the question - if secondhand smoke is so bad, why does the GOVERNMENT have to force places to be nonsmoking. Wouldn't there be such a strong demand for nonsmoking facilities that smokers would have to hunt to find a place?
    But maybe its that SMOKING = FREEDOM, and that even nonsmokers prefer a place that is fun with good food, a place with a relaxed atmosphere. AND you can't have a relaxed atmosphere with smoking NAZIS controlling your every move.
    Maybe that's a major part of the collapse of the French cafe culture.

  • Posted By: zzzz's @ 01/14/2009 3:04:59 PM

    CATON STREET TRADING COMPANY / Maybe you should pay attention to the details...see below...
    "PAY ATTENTION TOTHE LITTLE DETAILS. IN WRITING, IT ISMPORTANT TO GET THE DETAILS-------RIGHT!"
    I see a couple of things where you didn't get the details right...first one, (TOTHE), second one, (IT ISMPORTANT).
    Prior to you railing on someone about details you might want to get your own house in order first...
    Just an observation.

  • Posted By: scotty1943 @ 01/14/2009 3:04:44 PM

    I clearly remember Paris of the early 1960s a wide open thrilling sensual city for both old and young. It is sad to read of the changes but one must realize it is for the best when the health and welfare of future generations are at stake. Lets all say Vive La France !!

  • Posted By: taratanker @ 01/14/2009 3:02:47 PM

    Smoking bans are a sign of the times. Unfortunatly our times are lacking any responsibility. We are a nation of Liabilities instead of responsibilities. Blame has become so epidemic that stores put waring lables on coffees, CD's and soda bottles. If your so mind numbingly stupid that you do not realize coffee is hot, profanity might be on a Snoop Dog CD or that sodas have carbonation and might explode, then you should sue your parnets for raising a moron and leave the rest of us alone! American and the rest of the world should go ahead and kiss the Mom and Pop businesses goodbye because they can not afford the liability insurance needed to CYA in todays society. Get used to the Wal-Marts, Starbucks and Coscos coming to a neighborhood close to you, because they are the only ones who will be able to operate in a world full of whining, finger pointing babies we have become.

  • Posted By: stefanedee @ 01/14/2009 1:50:42 PM

    People who talk about smoking jeapordizing their lives make my ass twitch. Nine times out of ten its an abundently overweight person who is killing themselves by eating too many twinkies. You can't breathe when you try and tie your shoes, not because someone is smoking 75 feet away. How would you people feel if you went into a restaurant and had to get weighed before someone decided if you could eat there or not. Maybe watching you choke down your King size meal with King size fries and your King size dessert along with your King size DIET coke works for you, but it doesn't work for me. People should have the right to choose in which way they are going to die or in some cases kill themselves. I don't get why there can't just be smoking AND non smoking bars/restaurants. I'm going to laugh in your fat faces when your calorie well runs dry and some government personel invade your home and take away your snacks. Until then freely pursue your happiness, but don't ask for someone to back you up when it hits your doorstep.

    • Posted By: barb_martin @ 01/14/2009 1:59:18 PM

      You are not very bright stefanedee are you? When I go out to eat, if I am seated next to a huge overweight family, I do not get less healthy from it. If they want to eat crap, then yes, its their choice. However back in the days, when I sat next to a dirty filthy smoker, I too stunk and I had to breathe their crap. I did not choose to smell and breathe that cancer stick, but I do choose to eat healthy.

      • Posted By: schnetz @ 01/14/2009 2:28:12 PM

        Wrong...you chose to enter that establishment and sit down next to that smoker...YOUR CHOICE.

        • Posted By: Mr.Dave @ 01/14/2009 3:02:30 PM

          And when the smoker walks in and sits down AFTER the nonsmoker? Then what?

  • Posted By: libertlover @ 01/14/2009 3:01:41 PM

    What people have to realize is that smoking a cigarette or cigar is not illegal and if I as a property owner wish to have an establishment where smoking is encouraged or even embraced I should have the right to have such an establishment.Non smokers should be put on notice of this fact and have the choice of not patronizing such an establishment.That is the manner that people with different taste used to coexist in a free society. In the present nanny/socialistic society one world order,the rights of all are in danger of forever being lost.to an overbearing government that will continue to intrude on the rights of the individual. I write this as a non smoker my entrire life who believes that adults have the right to weigh the benefits and liabilities of legal but potentially dangerous activites that adults will on occasion participate in.

  • Posted By: crysc @ 01/14/2009 2:15:00 PM

    I am all for a ban on smoking in all public places. You can't poison my water or my food, why should smokers be allowed to poison the air I breathe. I am so sick of smokers whining about it being their right to smoke. Go ahead, smoke all you want, but do it in your own home. It's my right to go to an establishment and breathe clean air and not go home smelling like smoke. Second-hand smoke kills, it is a fact. Poison yourselves, but don't inflict it on everyone else.

    • Posted By: Jondman7 @ 01/14/2009 2:18:13 PM

      Fine, don't drive your car when us pedestrians are trying to cross the street as your carbon monoxide is poisoning. You sound like the one who is whining.

      • Posted By: Mr.Dave @ 01/14/2009 2:27:40 PM

        When I back my car up to your table in a restaurant, you can complain all you want.

        • Posted By: Jondman7 @ 01/14/2009 2:40:00 PM

          You already have impressing your will on our right to choose to having a business where patrons are allowed to smoke. My grandfather smoked and he hung out of a fighter plane in World War 2 to preserve that ability to choose. Thanks for proving that Hitler's ideals still exist today and my grandfather fought in vain.

          • Posted By: Mr.Dave @ 01/14/2009 3:00:53 PM

            Check your facts. Hitler smoked for over 25 years. Perhaps your grandfather fought in vain because people still smoke like Hitler did? Smokers are Nazi sympathizers? What exactly is your point? No one in WWII fought to give people the right to choose to give their neighbors cancer. That's just silly. Democracy is not unlimited personal freedom. That's called anarchy.

  • Posted By: Obviously..... @ 01/14/2009 2:15:18 PM

    Think your missing the point there Barb...It's not whether you must be subjected to smoke, that would be your CHOICE. Kind of like going to a gay bar vs a straight bar, or watching tv..IF you don't like it change the channel or go to that straight bar, but don't ban the option.
    Unfortunately, when the government steps in and takes someone's CHOICE away from them is where the line has been crossed. The option should be up to the owner of the bar or cafe. I'm sure there would be as many non smoking bars and cafes as there would be for smokers. Why take that choice away? For ones' own good? Where do we draw the line? Well the same government that draws THIS line is the same government that will not shut the "unhealthy" industry down because it is a cash cow...The hypocrisy is sickening...

    • Posted By: LSCHALTEGGER @ 01/14/2009 2:57:10 PM

      I totally agree with you. Where are all of our freedoms going? Yes, alot of people still make a living off of unhealthy industries, but that's democracy. ....former smoker

  • Posted By: Think11 @ 01/14/2009 2:57:06 PM

    It's amazing how many of "you" are complaining about smoke in public places. Do you not know the difference between public and private ownership? For the government (any government) to tell you what you can and cannot do in your privately owned restaurant, cafe, whatever, is wrong. Set the laws for your truly public parks and such, but leave my privately owned business to me. When someone's personal choice becomes everyone's law, where does it end? Obviously, it doesn't. I own my house and I own my business as well as the building and the land that the business is in and on. I pay taxes for both. If you are going to tell me what I can and can't do in my place of business, how long until you tell me I can't smoke in my home either because "it might be harmful to the next owner". Bite me.

  • Posted By: Jondman7 @ 01/14/2009 2:55:42 PM

    My grandfather smoked and he hung out of a fighter plane in World War 2 to preserve that ability to choose. Thanks for proving that Hitler's ideals still exist today and my grandfather fought in vain.

  • Posted By: mel5431 @ 01/13/2009 4:53:26 PM

    Ostensibly about smoking, this article is truly about a vanishing way of life, and the seeming inability of people today to stop and sppreciate the delightful, small moments...those which constitute the minutiae of life...where most of the living is truly done.

    I lived in Paris when I was newly married and for several years thereafter. My son was born there. I try to visit each year, wandering the old neighborhood, gazing long at my old window in the Maison Ancien that I called home, lingering in the brasserie/boulangerie/boucherie and cafe that was once mine in almost every sense of the word. And far from being a good tourist, where death has not stolen, nor commerce quitet literally cemented away my past, I find the life and atmosphere I dearly recall,and I am still at home, welcomed and known, meaningfully spoken to, and seen.

    I do not posess the same sense of community in California where I currently reside. Indeed, I know few of my neighbors, though I have lived here seven years now. And though I frequent the same coffee shops, markets and shops daily, only one person in all of these establishments knows my name, despite the fact that I pay with the same credit card-boldly displaying my name-on each visit. I live a life here where intellectually stimulating conversation seems the sole domainof the workplace-if one is lucky--and has never once taken place with the shopkeeper or the cafe owner, as was the custom in Paris. Indeed, anonymity in one's community is quite commonplace here, or so it seems as many who have lived here for ages know only a few more people than I. Life here is lived briskly, anxiously, in anticipation of the next moment, and not the one in which one currently exists.

    This article makes me ineffably sad. I miss the conviviality of my Paris...the way of life portrayed so dear to me seems to be fading into the sunset...one Starbucks, Hypermarche and McDonald's at a time. I feel the loss most sorely. If not here in California, I would like to know that I can still find a shred of my past a few hours plane ride from here.

    I hope this article raises awareness of just what is being lost these days in the name of progress.Truly, I won't miss the smoking per se, or the cancer that it causes--which took my Grandfather and Mother from me--but I will miss the joy of living that sat beside it, imbedded in the fabric of Parisian life, a life lived boldly, with a flair for celebrating the everyday...the glass of wine, the sunshine sur la table, the air, the seasonal delights..that have always been so representative of Parisian life for me. The way of French living is as important to me as the long, proud history of her people. May it be cherished and preserved, always...albeit, without interior ashtrays.

    Respectfully,

    M Brunell

    • Posted By: bsrcat @ 01/14/2009 2:52:37 PM

      there are still some places in SoCal where people converse with each...even strangers...engage in conversation....discuss life and times..share their humanity..I live in such a place....a small town in character, a tourist destination in particular...and even here, with a smoking ban, there are places where we smoke...outside, at home or on restaurant patios, choice is all slightly alive.....thank you for a delighful reply...come visit us on Catalina.....

    • Posted By: random_thought @ 01/14/2009 1:27:31 PM

      I enjoyed reading this comment as much as I did the main article. Plus, I agree with your comments. Sometimes, progress is not always better.

    • Posted By: random_thought @ 01/14/2009 1:24:27 PM

      I must say that I enjoyed reading your comment as much as I did the main article. Plus, I agree with what you said. Progress is not always better.

    • Posted By: Lee1010 @ 01/13/2009 7:23:26 PM

      I couldn't agree with you more and I have never been to Paris. The savoring of the moment appears to have been lost with the ever increasing speed at which we live. In our quest to get ahead and, now, stay afloat has separated us from the pleasure of just being and knowing one another.

      Many people envy the young. For the most part, I don't.

  • Posted By: taratanker @ 01/14/2009 2:52:07 PM

    Smoking bans are a sign of the times. Unfortunaltly our time is one lacking any responsibility. The word of the new millennium is "Liability". We are now a world wide society of whiners! Blame is the so widespread that McDonalds had to lower the temprature of it coffee, CD's have warning disclaimers, and only the largest and most wealthy companines are able to afford liability insurance, and therefore are taking over the world. So long Mom and Pop, move over for Wal-Mart and Starbucks!

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