It seems like you already have lots of "FRIENDS' on this web site to argue but I can't resist. Of course Walmart's not complaining. It's not their taxes paying for what's in the cart, it's us, the WORKING Mainers. But if you are compelled to con
It seems like you already have lots of "FRIENDS' on this web site to argue but I can't resist. Of course Walmart's not complaining. It's not their taxes paying for what's in the cart, it's us, the WORKING Mainers. But if you are compelled to con
Unfortunately some are so convinced that everyone is a racist that they either can't admit the article was biased, untruthful and racist in its' content, or they approve of distorting the facts to further their agendas. The simple fact is the article was biased and distorted and those who live in Lewiston know it. Are people frustrated with supporting immigrants when they struggle to take care of their own families? Most definitely and rightly so. The sad thing is that a small group of people use this frustration to label an entire community racist. They refuse to look at the facts. A large percentage of Somalians are receiving welfare and not working. Not being a rich state, it is difficult to stomach having our tax dollars diverted for this purpose. That being said, wait about 5 minutes and you will see yet another reply screaming racism. They think if they just keep screaming it long enough, the facts will no longer matter. The good thing is most people are not that stupid and can see the truth behind all the rantings about race.
To draw conclusions about large groups (in the case of Somali folks, some 4000 people) based on one's experiences with a handful of people from those groups is the very definition of statistical illiteracy. Even if you had encountered dozens of folks from a particular group who, for whatever reason, had rubbed you the wrong way or are on welfare, this would be such a small and obviously unrepresentative sample, that to reach any conclusions about that group as a whole would be absurd. This is among the reasons that it's nonsensical to harbor generalized dislike or suspicion of Muslims Somali the notion that they are here to kill us, ???please???.
Which points up the biggest flaw in the thinking of racist, who call upon their personal experiences with Somali people so as to justify their bigotry? Studies have found that we tend to remember stereotype-confirming behavior in those who are considered different, while ignoring the many times members of our own group did the same things, because in the latter instance, such behavior doesn't trigger a pre-existing mental schema, or set of beliefs, that can be applied to explain the behavior
Sometimes it seems as if there are people who sit around, almost hoping for awful things to happen, just so they can use these incidents, however tragic, to make some kind of political point. So consider the notion that people pay attention what Somali people have in their shopping cars at Wall-Mart- Hannaford or like that dude said BG???s. My friend this is free country you could have also loads of food in your buggy
You don???t see wall-mart complaining because it business as usual for them. So get over it
Hate to burst your bubble but I am not angry. You are obviously hoping to anger people so you can jump up and down and call them names. Sorry, most of us are not that easily provoked. At best we are disgusted and when reading posts like yours, mildly amused. By all means keep the hysteria coming. If nothing else it's cheap entertainment.
Man there you go again the angry man response you said "If you choose to live in America you should respect and adopt American values" man what are you drinking? We all live in American values as a matter of fact our entire life been an American value unless your is a different American Values. And the notion that you have said 'if you don't like it stay away" as if this belongs to you. Is this privilage speaking?
MPBN's coverage of how this article distorted the truth including the actual statistics given to Jessee Ellison by authorities: http://www.mpbn.net/Portals/0/av/radio/090127somali.wma
If you choose to live in America you should respect and adopt American values. If I were to go live in Somalia I would be expected to do the same. Maine has always been a low crime State and this has nothing to do with the nationality of its residents, but rather the Maine culture itself. The same culture which you insult. As for cultural attachments to family and community, the immigrants do not possess more of these values than anyone else. If you despise our culture to the degree where you feel the need to insult and distort the facts, then I suggest you stay away from it and start preaching the respect and tolerance you are demanding for yourself. If I were to go to a foreign country, I would be expected to adhere to their values, regardless of how I felt about them.
Thank you for providing this link. Several news sites have run articles refuting the lies put forth in this article. The people she interviewed whose words were twisted to support her agenda have repeatedly refuted her claims. However, so far none have commented and Newsweek itself is refusing to admit that this article is inaccurate. Tells me all I need to know about their credibility. I live in Maine and therefore know this article was wrong. How many other articles about places I am not familiar with were also biased? They have lost all credibility in most Mainers eyes at this point.
I think a large part of what's missing in this article is the discussion of people who were living in the more-metro area of Portland that couldn't afford to buy homes when housing prices started skyrocketing...so they headed northwest to Lewiston, where housing was much more reasonable and still only half an hour's commute. That started taking place, oh, about the same time that the immigrant population began to feed into the city 5 or 6 years ago. The major difference is that the immigrants were moving into low-cost rentals, whereas families moving from other areas of the state were buying homes and investing in the community by paying the taxes that supported the new immigrant population while it found its spot in the community. Let's also not forget, too, that past leaders in recent years made development of the Twin Cities a primary focus...revitalization of Lisbon Street (Oxford Networks, Andover College, refurbishing mills for businesses, new hotels, etc.) was a result of THEIR work and vision.
To the author of this article, you may have looked to your superiors like you did your homework, but to those of us who live in the city you wrote about, you haven't got a clue, and you misled an entire readership by focusing on an angle that isn't realistic or correct.
FYI
The author of this article was born and raised in Maine, so you can't use the excuse that she doesn't know what Maine is really like. Maybe she didn't live in Lewiston, but she is a true "Mainer".
Personal Responsibility for Thee But Not for Me
Blame Shifting and Buck-Passing, Conservative Style
If you scratch a Nativist hard enough, you'll usually be able to discover the extent of their prejudices. Complaints about the unwillingness of Latinos to assimilate, learn English, and adopt "American" values, typically spill out after just a few seconds of extended conversation. They just aren't enough like us, is what we hear from the anti-immigrant camp.
Actually, there has long been evidence suggesting that newcomers to the U.S. are typically less dysfunctional and less criminally inclined than those already here.
immigrants nearly always exhibit lower crime rates than the native-born.This is an important point, given how often right-wing commentators, from Bill O'Reilly, to Michael Savage, to Lou Dobbs pontificate about crimes committed by the undocumented. Indeed, there is even a substantial body of research to suggest that immigration often stabilizes communities and serves as a buffer against criminal violence in poor neighborhoods, in part because immigration brings with it cultural attachments to family and community that often deter crime.
This story distorts the facts given to the author by authorities in Lewiston. MPBN reports on this article's distortion of truth: http://www.mpbn.net/Portals/0/av/radio/090127somali.wma
Hey Guys , I would like to remind you all of you dont waste your gloden time for these meangless talk. first we should have to know what stages are we living now , intermes of assmilation did any one of you guys thought about at this moment we will had a black ( african american presedant ) ? the answer is NO , to be honest . so we are you guys are pushing back us to the ignorancy era. we passed so we have to forget it . let move on farword. I would like to see the new Mainers to invlove with a local poltics run for city counceling and also for higher city and state represantaive why not you are mainers you will be one day the leader of maine . so I would like to remind for those still lived in dark era you better wake up and moved forward .
So, for instance, if they or someone they know didn't get the job they wanted, it must be because of affirmative action or because the job was "taken" by an illegal immigrant; if their child didn't get into the college of his or her choice it must be because of some preference given to a black kid; if they can't afford to send their child to college it's because all the scholarship money was given to students of color; if their local schools are falling apart it's because of integration or multiculturalism; if their taxes are too high it's because of all those government programs for "those people." On and on it goes, with never so much as a nod to personal responsibility. Whatever goes wrong in the lives of white conservatives is almost always the fault of black and brown liberals, or so the story goes.
I suggest the immigrants should take personal responsibility and stop expecting handouts from Mainers who struggle to make ends meet for their own families. The Somalis also recently demanded that hiring standards be lowered because they could not meet the high school education equivalent or speak English. They want employers to lower the standards for them so they do not have to get and education and learn English like everyone else. So much for taking personal responsibility for oneself. Or does that only apply to the horrible, racist white people who Newsweek apparently thinks comprise the state of Maine?
Very biased article that ignores the facts while insulting our state for being "too white." Can you imagine the outcry if someone had suggested that a state was "too black" and that people didn't want to attend an all black school? They would be condemned as racists. As for reviving the economy, check your facts before you print such propaganda. 51% of all Somalis in Lewiston and Portland Maine are unemployed. Walk into the Mainecare office on any day of the week and you will find it full of Somalis signing up for free health care benefits from the state' tax payers.
I also did not particularly enjoy explaining to my little girls why the Somali women are treated so badly (in public I might add) by their men and make their little girls wear head coverings. We have gone out of our way to teach our kids equality and respect and the Somali culture is a slap in the face to the women of Maine. My wife and I had a tough time explaining tolerance and respect to a group who do not respect or tolerate women's rights. You can't walk through the mall without seeing little girls reprimanded for letting their head scarves slip.
At the very least, if you are going to print such an inaccurate article you could get your facts and statistics straight and lay off the bashing of white people and Maine's history and culture. But then again, Newsweek has had an obvious agenda lately and facts might get in the way of that.
Very biased article that ignores the facts while insulting our state for being "too white." Can you imagine the outcry if someone had suggested that a state was "too black" and that people didn't want to attend an all black school? They would be condemned as racists. As for reviving the economy, check your facts before you print such propaganda. 51% of all Somalis in Lewiston and Portland Maine are unemployed. Walk into the Mainecare office on any day of the week and you will find it full of Somalis signing up for free health care benefits from the state' tax payers.
I also did not particularly enjoy explaining to my little girls why the Somali women are treated so badly (in public I might add) by their men and make their little girls wear head coverings. We have gone out of our way to teach our kids equality and respect and the Somali culture is a slap in the face to the women of Maine. My wife and I had a tough time explaining tolerance and respect to a group who do not respect or tolerate women's rights. You can't walk through the mall without seeing little girls reprimanded for letting their head scarves slip.
At the very least, if you are going to print such an inaccurate article you could get your facts and statistics straight and lay off the bashing of white people and Maine's history and culture. But then again, Newsweek has had an obvious agenda lately and facts might get in the way of that.
The thing that most folks don't seem to understand is that Somalis are here as REFUGEES - Their lives were in danger in their homeland. They didn???t wake up one morning and decide life would be better in the U.S. ??? They fled. For Safety.
Most spent years in a refugee camp, not knowing what their ???country of asylum??? would be (or which new language to study) ???
I believe our new neighbors deserve our help, our welcome and our understanding. Not our anger, our fear or our xenophobia.
-jw Portland, ME
It appears you havnt done your homework. The Somalis came to Atlanta GEORGIA as "refugees".. They stayed in Atlanta until the Georgia Welfare ran out (what a good idea..) at that point, a few very resourceful Somalis started doing research on where in the US they could relocate to that had better welfare, better services and most importantly, a system of welfare that allows easy manipulation and never-ending benefits. The search came up with MAINE, and most specifically, Lewiston. At THAT point, the Somlis did, in fact, CHOOSE to come to MAINE. They did not come to this state via some international mechanism beyond their control. It was a deliberate highly selective choice to move up here.
Talk about bad misleading irresponsible reporting with an agenda.
No one (even the author of the article, of course) mentions the several Somali businesses that have posted "No whites allowed" signs. That sounds like a fine bit of assimilation, if you ask me.
TRUE/FACT: There is currently a new Nissan Mini-van being driven around Lewiston/Auburn by a Somali family with the licence plate reading UPD4IT. (for those of you from away, thats "you paid for it")
Now you tell me the Somalis don't know what theyre doing.
The new mini van story has been making the rounds for about 4 years now...please post a pic of the plate as I would love to see it....
The new mini van story has been making the rounds for about 4 years now...please post a pic of the plate as I would love to see it....
The new mini van story has been making the rounds for about 4 years now...please post a pic of the plate as I would love to see it....
???Of all the races of Africa, there cannot be one better to live among than the most difficult, the proudest, the bravest, the vainest, the most merciless, the friendliest: the Somalis.??? Warrios by Gerald Hanley.
The Somali Bantu who are now the most productive of all in Lewiston have also been the strongest, the hardworking among the Somalis.
The Somali Bantu are the most productive people in the Horn of Africa. In the late 19 century, the Italian settlers in Somalia brought different tribes from Mozambique and Tanzania (very strong people) to work in the arable land of the South between the rivers of Jubba and Shebelle. They cultivated banana (Somalita), many citrus fruits and vegetables to be exported to Italy. The forced labour of the Bantus was to replace the untamed labor of the nomadic Somalis.
The mill town will be replaced by money making machine, assembly lines, and manufacturing consumer goods better than the Far East products.
Hey America bring your bankrupt companies to Lewiston. A Somali Bantu woman can work more than 18 hours without a coffee break.
???Of all the races of Africa, there cannot be one better to live among than the most difficult, the proudest, the bravest, the vainest, the most merciless, the friendliest: the Somalis.??? Warrios by Gerald Hanley.
The Somali Bantu who are now the most productive of all in Lewiston have also been the strongest, the hardworking among the Somalis.
The Somali Bantu are the most productive people in the Horn of Africa. In the late 19 century, the Italian settlers in Somalia brought different tribes from Mozambique and Tanzania (very strong people) to work in the arable land of the South between the rivers of Jubba and Shebelle. They cultivated banana (Somalita), many citrus fruits and vegetables to be exported to Italy. The forced labour of the Bantus was to replace the untamed labor of the nomadic Somalis.
The mill town will be replaced by money making machine, assembly lines, and manufacturing consumer goods better than the Far East products.
Hey America bring your bankrupt companies to Lewiston. A Somali Bantu woman can work more than 18 hours without a coffee break.
This article made me laugh in a sad way. I lived in Lewiston for a few years and went back to visit a while back. My friend had told me about the "Somali invasion", but nothing could have prepared me for what I saw! I really don't see how they have "rescued" Lewiston. But, from the people who LIVE in Lewiston what I did learn is that, for the most part, the Somalis CHOOSE to NOT assimilate into the US culture. After reading all the comments here, what surprises me the most is that Newsweek, a magazine I have respected would print a story with such gross inaccuracies. This article DOES NOT paint a true picture of what is happening in Lewiston. That is sad.
This article is absurd. Somali immigrants saving a dying mill town? Yes indeed. They come replete with skills, education, a work ethic, a commitment to be assimilated, a burning desire to earn their own living and get off of welfare which they knew they'd get.
They're a bunch of scammers and we're a bunch of suckers. They are no more going to "bring a mill town back to life" than the post-WWII influx of southern blacks brought Detroit, Baltimore, New Hartford, etc. back to life. Just isn't happening.
There is nothing weirder or creeprier than a Stuff White People Like white person trying to be the biggest, bestest PC promoter he possibly can. As long as he gets paid plenty and he doesn't have to live in Lewiston and pay the taxes, works for him.
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