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Ivy League Aspirations

Getting fifth graders to think about college seems a little goofy. But it's key to the prospects of the next generation.

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  • Posted By: Accipiter @ 01/21/2009 7:33:59 PM

    I find it interesting how not once was the staggering cost of a college education mentioned even once in this article.

    "He has a good chance at his first-choice college, Duke. "KIPP taught us to work hard, and everything was possible," he said.""

    I was told the same exact thing in high school - "work hard and everything (is) possible." Well now I'm about to graduate with my M.F.A....and over $80,000 in college debt. I have my M.F.A., but will I have a job? Will I be able to pay off my student loans?

    These children are going to find a hard, unpleasant truth when they're suddenly faced with tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt after 'following their dreams.'

    • Posted By: Tanaya @ 04/03/2009 12:29:50 PM

      So the possibitity of having student loan debt is suppose to make us think twice about pursuing such dreams? I don't understand that thought process. KIPP students are often time the most improvished students in the country, who were told up until KIPP that they would amount nothing. Now, I see an obviously educated person asserting that we "are going to find a hard, unpleasant truth.... after following our dreams" I am a graduate of KIPP Academy (the original KIPP school in the Bronx, NY)... the 2nd class ever to go through the program... I went on to attend Spelman College and now have a B.A. in Economics and am currently pursuing a Masters of Professional Accounting. Yes, I have debt! What college graduate doesn't who isn't practically rich. Its not an end all. The values, determination and persistence that I learned at KIPP, when I wasn't getting it at home, opened my eyes to all the possibilities. Just because you fall, does that not mean you can't get back up. You have $80K in student loans, so you're going to wine about it or do something. It may seem like a pretty, painted picture that is fed to us but you can not comment on the situation the same way that a child, now woman, who went throught the program. That unwavering notion that everything IS possible that was instilled in me as a KIPPster is what keeps me pushing on EVERYDAY. I was recently laid off but I'm not gonna complain and get down on myself about my 53K in loans and sing that old song "wo is me"... I know how hard I've worked, in KIPP, in high school, at Spelman College and now grad school. If you're expecting a lost, you damn sure are gonna get it. You reep what you sow. Stop worrying that you aren't gonna get a job or be able to pay of your student loans and do something about it.

  • Posted By: DanGiaco @ 03/19/2009 2:22:05 PM

    If you support these core initiatives:

    -Effective, empowered teachers and school leaders;
    -Student assessments that stress 21st century skills;
    -Universal access to high-quality early education;
    -A safe, healthy learning environment; and
    -Affordable college for all students,

    Then let President Obama know! Visit EDVOTERS.ORG and sign the petition today!

  • Posted By: The Post Man @ 01/21/2009 5:14:22 PM

    You need to watch the clip on 48 hours. We already have way to many four-year degreed people earning $10-12 dollars per hour that are unable to pay off college loans. Give them a trained skill and let them go make a decent living.
    The only drawback to this plan is that they will have to------------WORK!!!!!!

    • Posted By: christopherkidwell1 @ 02/07/2009 12:36:22 PM

      Most people who have college degrees and find jobs with their degrees do work, idiot. The problem that in too many areas that these people can go into, there is either a dearth of hiring or..... they expect you to do the work of 2 or 3 people by yourself, as my father has to do that at the hospital where he works in their chemistry lab.

  • Posted By: collegebound @ 01/26/2009 11:08:48 AM

    I am excited to see the results of programs such as this. There are many programs doing similar things around the US. University of Wisconsin-Green Bay has a program designed to reach large numbers of kids from 5th grade through 12th grade using trained college student mentors from the university to encourage kids to do well in school. Many of the university student mentors are first generation college students They connect on very appropriate and personal levels...this seems to be the key to the change. Strong identification with a good role model lets kids see first hand that post-secondary education is possible and in their future..

    • Posted By: christopherkidwell1 @ 02/07/2009 12:33:41 PM

      Post secondary education is not in the future for a lot of people. Personally, I tried college.... and stunk on ice at it. I went to class EVERY SINGLE DAY when I was supposed to.... I flunked my first year (both semesters) and finallly gave up, realizing that I was just NOT CUT OUT (even with a 150+ IQ) for college and beyond education, at least not how they taught it back then.

  • Posted By: christopherkidwell1 @ 02/07/2009 12:29:28 PM

    No, this is not 'key to their prospects'. Frankly, we are asking too many people today, even adults, to think way too far ahead in their lives.... it's time for that to STOP. The furthest you should have to think ahead in your life, adult or not..... 2 years! And that's only for EXTREMELY important stuff that usuallly only comes up once you are an adult.
    Also, the main reason that children are not doing well in school is that it has morphed from an education system into a 'memorization and regurgitation' system..... which most children and even adults are not good at. Once they went to open book tests in the schools in my area 10 years ago when I was in school (after a threat of a lawsuit by my and some other parents)..... the grades went up DRAMATICALLY! They had children who were getting 40% on tests go up to near 90% because they weren't having to remember complex formulae in math, science, etc. anymore.

  • Posted By: MichaelX @ 01/30/2009 10:59:41 AM

    So we create the same cloned bumbling idiots that have messed up everything so far. Great idea!
    Helping advance childrens education is a nobel. and well conducted endeavor, but what is being taught?
    Monkey see, monkey do.

  • Posted By: bismarck123 @ 01/22/2009 3:42:43 PM

    I think its important to aspire to something higher even if you don't end up going to college. Not going to a traditional four year college is not the end of the world. But people should always set their sights high and that is what the people are doing, but later on caution them to be realistic. What should be drilled in is that further education is necessary whether its trade school or college. IF parents want the kid to be an engineer he takes courses like physics, math, chemistry. But he ends up being an electrician that is better for society. In places like Germany or France, the academic requirements required to become an electrician would allow you to get into a engineering program in the US. I hear a lot of people saying that America should emulate German's system of apprenticeship instead of four year colleges. I agree, but the academic requirements to the best apprenticeship in Germany are tougher than getting into a typical engineering college in America.

  • Posted By: MKrueger @ 01/22/2009 12:01:41 PM

    It's more about having the OPPORTUNITY to go to college and the CHOICES college creates for these students. Also, we should broaden our definition of 'college' to include any and all post-secondary educational opportunities, such as technical schools, community college, military schools, trade schools, etc. Maybe it isn't realistic to think that every student can and should go to a four-year college, but in today's world it IS realistic and imperative that all students graduate from high school and receive some kind of extra training, whatever that may be. Drop-out rates are staggeringly high and strongly correlate to teen pregnancy, crime, and many of the other problems plaguing society.
    While the usefulness of a college degree in helping one land a high-paying job may be in question, there is nothing questionable about the impact it has on an individual's personal growth, understanding of his or her world, potential for success, and power of choice.

    To address the concern of college costs, there are many ways that students can make their education more affordable. The idea that one must attend an elite private college to get a good education or land a competitive job is simply untrue. State schools around the country provide excellent educational opportunities for students at much lower costs than their private counterparts. Financial aid is available in many forms for students as well. Grants are particularly helpful for students from low-income families as they provide need-based monies that do not need to be repaid. Over half of the students at Harvard and Yale have over 60 percent of their tuition covered by need-based grants. Scholarships are available from countless colleges and organizations and can be found through several online search engines (such as fastweb.com and scholarships.com). Many state and federal service organizations (such as Americorps) provide education awards for individuals who commit a year or two of service to the country. Some loans can be repaid by committing to a few years of teaching. Does this mean that every cent of your education can be covered? Not always, but I would never discourage an eager student from attending college because of the cost. The benefits, I believe, far out-weigh the costs.

  • Posted By: The Post Man @ 01/21/2009 5:18:59 PM

    You need to watch 48 Hours and view the segment on college graduates earning $10-12 per hour trying to pay off
    monumental loan debts for a college education they received but can't find a job that requires a college degree. Eighty percent of the jobs require skilled vocational/technical training and not a four year degree that is bassically a meaningless piece of paper. The drawback to this idea is that when they get out of trade school they will have to------
    WORK !!!!!!

    • Posted By: MKrueger @ 01/22/2009 11:27:14 AM

      It's more about having the OPPORTUNITY to go to college and the CHOICES college creates for these students. Also, we should broaden our definition of 'college' to include any and all post-secondary educational opportunities, such as technical schools, community college, military schools, trade schools, etc. Maybe it isn't realistic to think that every student can and should go to a four-year college, but in today's world it IS realistic and imperative that all students graduate from high school and receive some kind of extra training, whatever that may be. Drop-out rates are staggeringly high and strongly correlate to teen pregnancy, crime, and many of the other problems plaguing society.
      While the usefulness of a college degree in helping one land a high-paying job may be in question, there is nothing questionable about the impact it has on an individual's personal growth, understanding of his or her world, potential for success, and power of choice.

      To address the concern of college costs, there are many ways that students can make their education more affordable. The idea that one must attend an elite private college to get a good education or land a competitive job is simply untrue. State schools around the country provide excellent educational opportunities for students at much lower costs than their private counterparts. Financial aid is available in many forms for students as well. Grants are particularly helpful for students from low-income families as they provide need-based monies that do not need to be repaid. Over half of the students at Harvard and Yale have over 60 percent of their tuition covered by nedd-based grants. Scholarships are available from countless colleges and organizations and can be found through several online search engines (such as fastweb.com and scholarships.com). Many state and federal service organizations (such as Americorps) provide education awards for individuals who commit a year or two of service to the country. Some loans can be repaid by committing to a few years of teaching. Does this mean that every cent of your education can be covered? Not always, but I would never discourage an eager student from attending college because of the cost. The benefits, I believe, far out-weigh the costs.

  • Posted By: Rellie_2009 @ 01/21/2009 6:18:18 PM

    sorry Deric isn't valedictorian, and its not Doric its Deric. I attend FCA (Friendship Collegiate Academy) with him.

  • Posted By: Rellie_2009 @ 01/21/2009 6:01:39 PM

    ah i hate to say it but Doric is spelled wrong this actually 'Deric'

  • Posted By: Emily B. @ 01/19/2009 6:32:54 PM

    To a great extent, I find KIPP's approach not just overbearing, but disturbingly controlling. However, I agree that emphasizing college and pushing kids to imagine what they CAN achieve is crucial. I went to one of the "best" public high schools in my state, and I can't count the number of times that I heard non-honors kids told by teachers or counselors--in words, actions, or attitudes--that they weren't going to a four-year or private college, so why bother challenging yourself? There was a very clear message that if you weren't in the gifted program (I was), it wasn't worth it for you to take honors classes or pursue your highest aspirations. It was sickening and sad, and I saw so many bright classmates buy it and stop thinking of themselves as smart and capable.

    • Posted By: rlafleur458 @ 01/21/2009 12:59:37 PM

      I am a KIPP parent and I find it to be a blessing for some kids. You have some kids that is labeled as kids that will never make it but at KIPP it give you the courage that no matter what you was told at the other school your child have a chance for a education. Yes the long hours and the heavy load of homework can make you feel like giving up but in the long run it teaches the kids to be able to handle to overload of work because once you get in college you will have to know how to manage the long hours in school and all the homework that comes with it. My baby is in the 6th grade, and she attend KIPP in Southeast Houston (KIPP PREPARATORY). Thanks to all the teachers and staff that work so hard to make the kids believe that they can make it in this world today.

  • Posted By: sarmatmo @ 01/21/2009 11:48:53 AM

    I work in a middle school and I constantly hear kids talk about how they don't want to go to college and how they think college is not necessary for a successful life. Now, though it is true that you don't HAVE to go to college to find success, most basic jobs are now requiring at least an associate's degree.

    It just baffles me. I work in a middle school that is much like the ones I attended, except the diversity is now (thankfully!) higher. When I was in middle school, we were taught that college was not an option, but a requirement. Even the special needs students (who were able) were encouraged to go to community college at the very least.

    Now, it's just get them through the day, get them through high school, get them out of here. This is not the teachers' faults. The school I work in is very caring about its students and we have an excellent staff. But, with how much we have to focus on testing to meet government standards (which, frankly, are hindering the educational process more than helping students achieve), we can no longer focus on the future for these students. And that is just sad.

    I wish we could teach to the students rather than teach to the tests. I wish we could focus on the future rather than the present.

  • Posted By: GeorginaKlanica @ 01/21/2009 10:05:07 AM

    Good post Emily. The media has sold a bill of goods with its college rankings, conning youth and parents to think the more expensive the bill or notable the school name, the greater the likelihood of success. That's fine for old money or the new rich, but for most all it results in is crushing debt and the realities of stagnating wages. And - dumb is dumb, and lazy is lazy. Neither can be hidden or made up for with an Ivy League degree. Go to college, period.

  • Posted By: Clemmie1 @ 01/18/2009 6:03:09 PM

    I am a 5th grade teacher in Raleigh NC and I talk to my students about college all the time. As educators we have to talk about higher education because their parents might not and they see us typically more than their own parents. My daughter has talked about college since she was 4 and I would only hope that we could make that possible for all children to see college as a requirement not an impossibility.

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