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  • Posted By: AlphaNOmega @ 01/22/2009 3:23:03 PM

    Israel took a bad move by this strike against Gaza. They may have crumpled a couple of buildings & killed a couple of Hamas militants, but the consequence is that they've doubled the number of enemies they have. The retaliation they face from a resurgent of Gaza symthasizers will not diminish any time soon.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 5:19:02 PM

      You said it, bro.

      take a gander at this:
      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_gaza_still_tunneling_3
      Gaza Tunnels Are Back In Business

      What kills me is: Israel knows they're powerless to stop the smuggling (and, by extension, the rocket fire) .... they simply lack the resources (financial and human) to effectively police Gaza and the West Bank. They knew this action would not result in a strategic victory yet they went ahead with it anyway.

      And in the interest of fairness:

      Hamas, Fatah, and, frankly, most of Palestine is full of sh*t. EVERYBODY knows where the arms are coming from and where they are, and yet EVERYBODY denies their existence. And it's not just arms, either....cell phones, ipods and other consumer goods flow in through these tunnels. Do you think the people who are making money on them are helping their fellow countrymen?

      And some people wonder why I refuse to support either side.

      Love,
      JM

  • Posted By: choujis @ 01/22/2009 3:04:51 PM

    This reminds me of the Warsaw Getto Uprising. Only this time, theres someone else inside the walls

  • Posted By: choujis @ 01/22/2009 3:02:33 PM

    This remindes me of the Warsaw Uprising in the 1940s. Only this time, we have a new victim

  • Posted By: bJ23@85 @ 01/22/2009 12:24:51 PM

    you know not everything can be setteled through diplomacy. This is an age old war caused by many things,but how can we, and who are we to judge this. People of all ages die in war, it's sad but true. You cannot expect Israel to take the mess they take, then let the jerks who where just shooting at them smile as they sign a false treaty.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 1:34:17 PM

      no disrespect bj, but if Nelson Mandela can make peace with the people who tortured him, threw him in jail, and tried to murder his wife, then ANYTHING is possible.

      Neither side - Israeli or Palestinian - has been truly committed to peace, attaching unreasonble conditions to otherwise reasonable deals.

      Love,
      JM

  • Posted By: kingt82 @ 01/22/2009 8:46:05 AM

    Thank you Newsweek for posting this article. For too long Palestinian deaths have been regarded as collateral damage, unfortunate, or nothing that matters. Thank you for showing what really happens to them.

  • Posted By: captain black @ 01/21/2009 8:23:24 PM

    Israelis should get out of israel and leave it to the Arabs?
    Americans should get out of America and leave it to the Indians?
    Europeans and Asians should leave Australia and leave it to the Aborigines?
    Leave Naw Zealand to the Maories
    CRAP!
    Get a life! Go forward, Make peace and stop your hatred.
    As Napolian said:-"God is on the side of the strongest army"

  • Posted By: KostasK @ 01/21/2009 6:15:48 PM

    @ pro-Israeli supporters, watch, read:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7709603.stm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4
    Still discussing on who violated the cease-fire?

    @joe_mama:The Hamas are religious extremists, thank you very much, we know this already. They say weird and dangerous things, we know it too, all religious extremists do so, including christian and jewish extremists, don't they? And they will turn more extremist as long as their occupation continues, they will launch more Qassams and there maybe some more suicide bombings in the future, we also know it beforehand ("the father of a dead child doesn't want peace, he wants war", I read somewhere these days). But you justify the Palestinians' decades-long occupation, the building of illegal settlements on palestinians' land, their seizure, their imprisonement in Gaza, their starvation and now their killings because of what they ... say?(!) You're concerned about who's saying what, I'm concerned about who's doing what and the devastation produced by Israel has no match.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/21/2009 6:44:10 PM

      "But you justify the Palestinians' decades-long occupation, the building of illegal settlements on palestinians' land, their seizure, their imprisonement in Gaza, their starvation and now their killings because of what they ... say"

      No, I don't justify anything. If you actually read my posts, you will find I am the only person will to take both sides to task for their roles in this fiasco:

      The Palestinians for electing a government that's committed to war and then complaining when war comes to their doorstep.....

      And the Israelis for creating a breeding ground of religious intolerance and virulent hatred and then complaining when that violence comes home.

      The Israelis have had MANY opportunities to resolve this crisis peacefully. They chose not to. The Israelis know they cannot achieve a decisive military victory against Hamas, so, every few years, they roll back into Gaza with 500lb bombs and tanks, and can't understand why the world thinks they're going a little too far (except for anti-Islamic zeolots, which you appear to be).

      The Palestinians have also had MANY opportunities to prove their commitment to peace. They chose not to. Rather than follow the examples of Mahatma Ghandi (defeated the British without bombing anybody) or Martin Luther King (defeated the U.S. government without firing a rocket) or even Nelson Mandela (who ordered his people to lay down their arms and NEGOTIATE with their sworn enemies).

      Now both sides are whining about who's worse or who started it and I've had about enough. In case you still don't it:

      ISRAEL SUCKS. HAMAS SUCKS. IF THEY WANT TO FIGHT IT OUT....LET THEM.

      Any questions?

      Love,
      JM

  • Posted By: KostasK @ 01/21/2009 6:26:26 PM

    @ Flounderbake:
    "Israel is right in going in and bringing hell to Gaza. They harbor Hamas they deserve to be punished."
    Could you explain how "bringing hell" anywhere is morally justified?
    Could you explain why the Palestinian's punishment started 6 decades ago? Hamas is not that old.

  • Posted By: akrams @ 01/21/2009 6:01:02 PM

    The peace will never be made as long as Israel keeps in steeling land in attacking innocent people, Maybe Hamas is the only oranisation in the world that have the guts to face Israel.
    Maybe when Israel stops getting free of charge weapons from America, and stop using the forbidden rockets as we saw, peace will be made then.

    • Posted By: captain black @ 01/21/2009 6:15:57 PM

      Peace for land?----CRAP. Look what happened when GAZA was returned.

  • Posted By: Getitout @ 01/21/2009 6:12:46 PM

    The amount of dead will increase every day. Israel has an unfinished business to take care. It's to destroy Gaza, to make it inhabital for the palestinians to live there. So Israel can control only the west bank. Where in the hell they going to put the Palestinian state. Between the west bank and Gaza there is a vast land which is now part of Israel. That land is been built for many years. They have high rises, shoping mall, looks like a modern city. If anybody going to tell me that Israel going to give all that back to the Palestinians, I'll call them stupid. And if the Palestinians think that Israel going to give them back that land with its buildings and shoping malls, then they are stupid. Forget about a Palestinian state, that's not going to happen. Israel know it, Hamas know it, and that president Abbas knows it too. The only way that whole area going to turn to the Palestinians is for Israel to go and exist somewhere else. And that's not going to happen while the United States is backing up Israel government, militarily, and financialy. And our beloved President Obama going to sit there and follow the same policy that the United States has with Israel. And as long as you have a group of people that would likely challenge the Israeli occupation, no peace will be either achieved, and the smell of death will be there for years to come.

  • Posted By: captain black @ 01/21/2009 5:51:46 PM

    It is amazing that none of the Arabs that opted to stay in Israel at its formation are busting their guts to join their brothers in the Palestinian territories.Their life in Israel is too good,
    Hamas should be building schools not rockets and educate their people who are mainly illeterate, to allow them a better life.Look what Israel had achieved in 60 yeare.When Hamas and its cohorts learn to love their children as much as they hate Israelis, there will be peace for them all.

  • Posted By: Gen12:3 @ 01/21/2009 3:36:47 PM

    Shame on Newsweek for printing such obvious propaganda! Hamas is not beneath killing these "innocent civilians" and painting anti-arab slogans in houses that the IDF SUPPOSEDLY occupied just so the media will pick it up and further damage public opinion about Israel. Newsweek apparently has no discernment at all and falls easily for Hamas' ploys. No person with half a brain would believe that Israel would allow such war crimes, which the U.S. would never abide by, especially since Israel needs the support of the U.S. Plus, it's Hamas that brainwashes their children and citizens into believing it's their duty to run to the houses and locations which the IDF warns is about to be destroyed. Then, Hamas terrorizes Palestinians into saying whatever they have to in order to avoid being murdered for non-support. The little Palestinian girl who's family was killed in IDF attacks apparently doesn't fear Hamas because she said that "Hamas is the cause, in the first place, of all wars." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIdxF-GHWw). It is no coincidence that "hamas" means "violence" in Hebrew. Hamas WANTS as many civilian casualties as possible. The radical Islamic mentality loves death as much as we love life. The worse things get for Gaza residents the better for Hamas, who aren't doing one thing to help the Palestinians. Ironically, Newsweek also publishes an article with more balanced insight into "Who's Responsible for Civilian Deaths?", which clearly shows the IDF has no choice but to target the rocket launching sites in the middle of schools and neighborhoods. Any one who sides with Hamas is on the side of terrorism, murder, and racist slaughter. If you side with Hamas, you should be ashamed of yourself know that whoever blesses Israel will be blessed, and whoever curses Israel will be cursed.

    By the way, Christopherkidwell1, if you think that Israel fired even one rocket into Gaza during the "cease fire" and the media missed an opportunity to rail on Israel about it, you are even more completely deluded than your post reveals. THOUSANDS of rockets have been fired into Israel from Gaza because they swear not to stop until every last Jew is dead. "Someone else who doesn't want peace in Gaza" is Hamas, brainiac! Your ignorant justifying of Hamas is the attitude that was responsible for the world allowing 6 million Jews to be slaughtered.

    Oh, and Isis5632, "purposely demolishing houses" is what you have to do to destroy the bunkers and tunnels that exist underneath those houses! Read Newsweek's article "Gaza: Who's Responsible for Civilian Deaths?"

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/21/2009 4:00:06 PM

      "Any one who sides with Hamas is on the side of terrorism, murder, and racist slaughter. If you side with Hamas, you should be ashamed of yourself know that whoever blesses Israel will be blessed, and whoever curses Israel will be cursed."

      Wow. Scary.

      Love,
      JM

      PS--
      swap "Hamas" with "Israel" and I would swear you were a Hamas spokesperson

  • Posted By: KostasK @ 01/21/2009 8:42:20 AM

    @joe_mama
    1. It's not war, "you idiot", it's occupation, which you choose to call "war", I don't know why. And occupation can also very well "be hell". Who are the occupiers, then? Well, not the Palestinians...
    2. There are no conditions on "crying about inhumane treatment". Inhumane is inhumane.
    3. You mentioned Hamas' writings on Islam. Well, Israel was born and is advocating its existence as a Jewish state. Fine with me, but as much theocratic as Hamas' ideas.
    4. You mentioned "Hamas' willingness to use current events". Didn't ever cross your mind, you clever "lemming" that the timing was just right for the Israeli politicians, a few weeks before the elections? Well, read some Israeli press, they discuss it themselves. Moreover, the ending of the operations was openly linked by the Israelis to Obama's inauguration date. Still not clear to you?
    5. Don't the Palestinians have the right to "further their cause"? Is it only Hamas's cause? Isn't ending the occupation a right cause?
    6. "Palestinian women and children die and the world rallies to their cause". What exactly is wrong with the world doing that? Was it wrong during the World Wars?
    7. "Hamas has been begging for this fight". Read CNN on who ended the cease-fire.

    Love, KK

    PS. Never hit a man anyway. What's more, never hit civilians with illegal white phosphorus bombs. Or schools. Or hospitals. Or aid workers.
    PS2. 1300 Gazans not starving anymore...
    PS3. A "man in anger" does not mean "a man in justified anger". Especially when he is the occupier....

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/21/2009 3:38:43 PM

      I agree with every one of your poinjts, which is why I refuse to defend either side in this fiasco and why I challenge everybody who is so positive that they have the "moral compas" pointing in their direction.

      In case you don't understand what I'm saying, allow me to say it another way:

      Hamas is just as bad as Israel, and Israel is just as bad as Hamas.

      They both wanted this war (I'm sorry, "occupation") and they got it. I'm not going to shed a tear for anybody who so willingly embraces violence...be they Israeli or Hamas.

      In fact, I'm at the "just get it over with...one way or another" point, so the rest of the world can go on with our lives.

      Love,
      JM

      PS--I did read CNN, the article entitled, "Israel declares unilateral cease-fire in Gaza".
      you can find it here:
      Israel declares unilateral cease-fire in Gaza

      • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/21/2009 3:51:48 PM

        correction:

        the cnn story link is here:

        http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/17/israel.gaza/?eref=rss_world


        And before you even try to get started....
        a) Israel only announced because they lack the finances and manpower to conquer and secure Gaza. The best Israel can do trap everybody in Gaza City....which is what they've done for the last 50 years. They don't care that the people of Gaza are suffering, they just lack the capacity to achieve a total victory.

        b) Israel already knows the Obama administration won't give them the same kind of unconditional support they got from the Bush administration, which is why the cease-fire occured three days BEFORE Obama took office (coincidence? I think not)

        Love,
        JM

  • Posted By: KostasK @ 01/21/2009 7:27:48 AM

    You mean they had lives before? Remember: Israeli control of their borders, air, sea, energy and food resources, daily several hour-long checkpoints, 18-month blockade, denial of movement inside and outside from the Strip, denial of international aid entrance, starvation, for God's shake STARVATION,... my turn to ask:
    "Why?"
    Because of Hamas and its counterproductive tactics? Well, remember that Gaza (and not only) is occupied for decades now, long before Hamas were created - and were created because of the occupation. So, here comes my second "Why?"

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/21/2009 7:48:36 AM

      "Why"?

      It's called war, you idiot, and, so sayeth William Tecumsah Sherman....."war is hell"...

      ...which is why you want to avoid it in the first place.

      Before you start crying about inhumane treatment and policies, you should read Hamas' charter. It makes it very clear that peaceful coexistance can only occur "under the shadow of Islam".

      It also indicates Hamas' willingness to use current events to further their cause...Palestinian women and children die and the world rallies to their cause. It happens every few years and lemmings like you eat it up without so much as a second thought.

      In other words, "Sorry". Hamas has been begging for this fight. They got it. They got spanked. Their people lay dead in the streets....

      ...and they hold "victory" celebrations.

      Now I ask you, "why?"

      Love,

      JM


      PS--at the very least Hamas should follow the advice of Russell Ziskey, who's father once told him, "Never hit a man in anger....unless you're sure you can get away with it."

      • Posted By: abbreviate @ 01/21/2009 10:30:31 AM

        To "joe_mama": The difference between human and animal is an ability to understand humor.
        Stripes is a 1981 American comedy film. Citation "Never hit a man in anger....unless you're sure you can get away with it." is intended to ridicule cowards.
        But you would not understand it. You are an animal. Coward animal.

        • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/21/2009 3:33:12 PM

          I'm calling Hamas cowards.

          Get it?

          • Posted By: abbreviate @ 01/21/2009 3:51:33 PM

            Then Hamas proved that they are not cowards. On the other hand Israel proved cowardly behavior. Are you secretly against Israel?

  • Posted By: Flounderbake @ 01/21/2009 12:39:40 PM

    Israel is right in going in and bringing hell to Gaza. They harbor Hamas they deserve to be punished. Where is the outcry when Israel is being hammered daily by rocket fire? It's ashamed that the rocket fire doesn't get the media exposure that Israel gets for defending herself.

    • Posted By: christopherkidwell1 @ 01/21/2009 2:52:34 PM

      No, Israel is not right, and the fact is that Hamas is the LEGITIMATELY ELECTED government of the Palestinians. Arguing with that doesn't change that fact. The fact is also that Israel does NOT get to attack people just because they are 'calling for their destruction'. We call for the destruction of: Cuba, Iran, Pakistan, etc. on other days.... we don't have the right to attack them unless they attack us... and I don't think that Hamas is the only one firing those rockets.
      Why? Because it seems whenever Hamas or other Palestinians are willing to go to the table....... ROCKET ATTACKI! That STINKS of Israel's intervention or someone else who doesn't want peace in Gaza.

      • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/21/2009 3:30:43 PM

        "...it seems whenever Hamas or other Palestinians are willing to go to the table....... ROCKET ATTACKI! That STINKS of Israel's intervention or someone else who doesn't want peace in Gaza."

        Yes, those people are called Hamas. Read their charter and you'll find that they view the peace process as a tool of the infidels to deny their golas...namely the destruction of Israel.

        Now, in all fairness, the Hamas charter does identify conditions under which Islam, Christianity and Judaism can peacefully coexist ... only under the "wing of Islam".

        ...and don't even get me started on their goal to use current events to help fulfill their goals....lemmings like you empower them and reinforce their strategy of sacrificing civilians to garner international support.

        You are correct, however, in suggesting that there are Israelis who don't peace. You see, when Yassir Arafat turned down the honey of a deal offered by Ehud Barak, he was warned by Bill Clinton that he (Arafat) was "guaranteeing" the election of the more hawkish Ariel Sharon. Sharon won in a landslide in 2001, and the hawks have been in power ever since.

        These are but some of the many reasons I refuse to support either side. They each got what they wanted. End of story.


        BTW--"somebody else who doesn't want peace in Gaza":
        Lebanon, Syria, Iran...shall I continue?


        Love,

        JM


        PS--
        Don't believe me?
        Read it for yourself....I'd love to hear what you think of it

        Hamas Charter:
        http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

        • Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/21/2009 3:41:09 PM

          I know you won't read it, so allow me to post some excerpts from Hamas' own charter:

          Article 13
          "Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement....

          There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors..."


          Article 16
          "Also, it is important to be acquainted with the current events, to follow what is new and to study the analysis and commentaries made of these events. Planning for the present and future, studying every trend appearing, is a must so that the fighting Muslim would live knowing his aim, objective and his way in the midst of what is going on around him."

          Article 31
          "Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam.

          It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region, because the day these followers should take over there will be nothing but carnage, displacement and terror."

          Article 32
          "Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of the struggle, through the treacherous Camp David Agreement...

          ...Leaving the circle of struggle with Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who does that."

          Now tell me again how the "legitimately elected" leaders of Palestine are the innocent victims here.

          Love,
          JM

  • Posted By: nrjaff @ 01/21/2009 3:06:44 PM

    It is just horrible, horrible to even think that any human can do to any animal as what IDF/Israeli di dto the poor people of GAZA. They have no respect for women and children as they have killed many of them in cold blood. May God bring his wrath and anger on to every Isaeli who have supported or have done anything to support their criminal actions. They remember holocast and pretend to be religious, but they are the worst human race the planet have ever seen. I condemn their cowardly and babbaric massacar in Gaza.

  • Posted By: nrjaff @ 01/21/2009 3:04:23 PM

    It is just horrible, horrible to even think that any human can do to any animal as what IDF/Israeli di dto the poor people of GAZA. They have no respect for women and children as they have killed many of them in cold blood. May God bring his wrath and anger on to every Isaeli who have supported or have done anything to support their criminal actions. They remember holocast and pretend to be religious, but they are the worst human race the planet have ever seen. I condemn their cowardly and babbaric massacar in Gaza.

  • Posted By: isis5632 @ 01/21/2009 1:56:34 PM

    Hamas is wrong, and Israel has a right to defend itself. But purposely demolishing houses? I pray for the Palestinians every day, no people should have to endure neglect by their leaders and massacre by their enemies.

    • Posted By: christopherkidwell1 @ 01/21/2009 3:03:19 PM

      You got the word right with 'massacre'. Let's face facts: the Palestinians CANNOT defend themselves from Israel. Hamas can BARELY do it.... by the skin of ONE whisker. Why are we letting Israel use such... .unjustified force against the Palestinians? I don't understand it, anyone with a brain should say "A few rockets.... and they send in TANKS and tons of soldiers to demolish homes of people who most likely don't have ANYTHING to do with the rockets? No, something stinks there!"

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 01/21/2009 4:07:57 AM

    The IDF did what the Naziz had done during the so-called holocaust. This is the true colour of the Zionist sate of Israel, they are just as bad as the Nazis. If the so-called holocauts is true then the Jews really deserved it. Hitler should have wiped them from the face of the earth!

    • Posted By: christopherkidwell1 @ 01/21/2009 3:00:43 PM

      I have to agree. The fact is that Israel is JUST AS MUCH extremists as Hamas are.... we just don't get on their case about it for some.... STUPID STUPID reason. What is that reason? I honestly haven't figured that out yet. Neither has anyone who I have talked with.
      It seems that our government is so 'guilty' that we 'let' the Holocaust happen (newsflash: What the F could we do about it?) that they won't take Israel to take and threaten them with: loss of United States dollars, loss of United States weapons, etc.

  • Posted By: ross1972 @ 01/21/2009 7:25:27 AM

    People of Gaza,Hamas claims victory at the expense of your lives not their own.You are expendable to the Israelis and your own government.You are bloody exclamtion points on their charter.You are professional victims,there for all the world to see your suffering so hamas will profit.Stand up now and throw hamas off your back before they decide they need to make a statement again in your blood.Good luck in the next war.

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