INAUGURATION 2009

What Rick Warren Said

The Saddleback pastor's invocation was inevitable, surprising

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  • Posted By: Jonathan Justice @ 11/30/2009 12:36:42 PM

    Stuff like this is why I rarely look at Newsweek. It was clear going in that the Obama people were giving Warren a last chance to redeem himself after the dog and pony show he had done in interviewing the candidates. I think they thought it unlikely that he would do the good but would have welcomed that. What they correctly expected was that he would take the rope they handed him and hoist that petard high. Ms Miller would have us think he was really slick when what happened was big time hick. The audience was a lot bigger than the one he aimed his mastry at. Warren broke the rules, made his version of Christianity look bad, and then blamed it all on Jesus. Ten months perspective finds Warren looking worse and Obama still President

  • Posted By: cloudburst @ 01/21/2009 11:14:13 AM

    There is hope because Jesus does not condemn us. Rather He calls us to a better life, a more excellent one than we now have. And this is possible when we accept the "crumb" of hope and life which is Jesus himself. "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh." That is why there is hope for everyone, christian and non-christian alike because this hope is not found in a religion but rather in a relationship with the One who gave his life for us.

    • Posted By: CheryljS.C. @ 01/21/2009 1:04:38 PM

      Amen to that ...God is the Savior of the World...No one else can claim that title..Wait and we all shall see Him in. His Glory...I Pray for our President and Our Country to not forget His Word is True..

      • Posted By: bobcarp @ 08/18/2009 6:45:11 PM

        I hear a lot of preaching there and no proving. That's why they're called "Preachers" and not "Provers". Anyone who thinks Dick Warren or anyone else knows what created the universe or where you go when you die is an idiot.

    • Posted By: CheryljS.C. @ 01/21/2009 1:06:42 PM

      Amen to that ...God is the Savior of the World...No one else can claim that title..Wait and we all shall see Him in. His Glory...I Pray for our President and Our Country to not forget His Word is True..

  • Posted By: sgjudy @ 01/21/2009 1:44:13 PM

    Is he just being nice? What is intended by that question? Rick Warren didn't write the Bible he professes to believe in; he believes the God whom he worships and the God who "changed [his] life wrote the Bible (or, at the very least, inspired men to write it on His behalf!). So, when the Bible says to Rick Warren that belief in Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation, how is it that others like you expect him to be openly accepting of the teachings of Mohammed, Buddha, or any founder or prophet of any other religious practice, as an equal or alternative path to salvation? When you expect a Christian to express a prayer that is fully accepting of everyone elses beliefs (including athiests, apparently!), then what you expect is for that person to be accepting of everyone else while ignoring only his own belief. For a Christian to say a prayer without invoking the name of Jesus would require them to ignore the very tenant of theirfaith, that is, that it was absolutely necessary for God to come to earth in the form of a man (Jesus Christ) and bare the sins of all mankind on himself at the cross so as to pay the eternal penalty for such sins ("the wages of sin is death, according to the book of Romans!), so that all believers, through His ressurection, would receive the gift of salvation (that is "forgiveness for sins and the promise of eternal life). What you expect Rick Warren to do is set his faith aside for the protection of the emotions of people of other and different faiths, or no faith. What you really want Rick Warren to do (along with others who profess a belief in Jesus Christ) is to keep their religious beliefs to themselves, because the best way to eliminate a particular belief is for those who practice it to not share it with others. For Rick Warren to have failed to invoke the name of Jesus (or any other Christian to do likewise) in a prayer, would be tantimount to a repudiationof their faith. So, what you really are saying in your article is that Warren can only pray as long as he ignores his own God.

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 01/21/2009 2:01:31 PM

      Correct they want to dictate what he believes in, where and how he worships, etc. Talk about controlling and divisive.

      • Posted By: bobcarp @ 08/18/2009 6:43:06 PM

        no, its say dick warren is an idiot bastard, which he his...

  • Posted By: StephenCga @ 02/07/2009 11:10:13 AM

    The end of my first article is below. It cut off my date. So I have included the ending paragraph in its entirety here:

    America is still the greatest nation on the planet. Even with her indecision and issues, people are not lining up at the borders to get out. Quite the opposite is happening. Sadly, those people that are lining up are not finding the intended nation that was birthed in 1776. They are finding something far less. Instead of a nation who is passionate about her Creator (Jesus) they are finding a nation centered on presentation, conceit, pomp, and glamour.

    • Posted By: jogie17 @ 02/25/2009 5:21:26 PM

      America is not the greatest nation anymore and not everybody wants to come. Only very poor Mexicans come because they border the USA and the big companies will give them a job if they are will to work under the table for less than minimum wage. Yes Rick warren was right we need to be forgiven because we often are crooked all in the name of Money

  • Posted By: StephenCga @ 02/07/2009 11:07:55 AM

    The reason most of America does not believe in Jesus Christ is because we have become apathetic to our foundation. We use our foundation to excuse our insolent behavior instead of correcting it. In the Old Testament, the people of God used "stones of remembrance" to remind them of the great things God had done in their past in hopes of preventing future debacles. America is no different, our founding fathers erected "stones" of remembrance in everything they built. Look at any national building and you will find a notation of scripture (from the Bible) or reference to a biblical figure. They serve as reminder of the great thing that God has done and still wants to do in our nation!

    No matter how hard you try, you cannot rewrite what has been written about the faith of our nations roots. It is solidly founded on Jesus Christ. Read some of the prayers of our first President...Unfortunately, we have divisively and decidedly fallen away from what this great nation was birthed to do...Spread the news that Jesus Christ is Lord and that he and He alone offers true redemption, true freedom, true relationship, true forgiveness, and true life! Unfortunately, many have perverted the message and convoluted its practice to the point where it is common and popular to desecrate the one at its core. Jesus Christ.

    There is a word most people do not like to hear. It is the word conviction. The vast majority of our society equates this word with condemnation. Why? We have preached it that way from our pulpits and in our books and in our demonstrations??? These two words are no remotely close in definition nor do they compare to the way God deals with those He is dealing with. Perhaps the reason for the outcry and the reason for anger is not because of anything Rick Warren has or has not done. It could be that those decrying the moment are convicted of their own lifestyle and simply refuse to acknowledge that God could be dealing with them because they have bought into the ???religious??? system that has misrepresented the truth in what Jesus Christ came to do???He did not come for those who are well, He came for the sick and that sickness that every human deals with is sin. He came to set the captive free. Not the captive of some separatist but the one who is held captive to their vice or captive to their guilt or captive to their shame. Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. One thing we must all remember is that with freedom comes great responsibility. The freedom that Jesus brings is not the freedom to do but the freedom not to???He takes away the desire to want to continue in any lifestyle that is detrimental or less than what He intended.

    America is still the greatest nation on the planet. Even with her indecision and issues, people are not lining up at the borders to get out. Quite the opposite is happening. Sadly, those people that are lining up are not finding the intended nation that was birthed in 177

    • Posted By: Constitution Lover @ 02/11/2009 9:19:22 AM

      "The reason most of America does not believe in Jesus Christ is because we have become apathetic to our foundation."

      Not at all. The reason much of America does not believe in Jesus is because there is nothing to believe in. And he has nothing to do with our foundation. Jefferson and several ofthe fouding fathers did not believe in him as anything but a huan being.


      "They serve as reminder of the great thing that God has done and still wants to do in our nation!"

      No they serve as a reminder that the bible is simply a man-made law book with some added religious hooey in it. And that we are a nationof man-made laws.

      "Spread the news that Jesus Christ is Lord and that he and He alone offers true redemption, true freedom, true relationship, true forgiveness, and true life!"

      Why would anyone want to spead garbage and lies?

      " Unfortunately, many have perverted the message and convoluted its practice to the point where it is common and popular to desecrate the one at its core. Jesus Christ."

      Bull. Jesus has never been at the core of this great nation.


      "America is still the greatest nation on the planet. Even with her indecision and issues, people are not lining up at the borders to get out. Quite the opposite is happening. Sadly, those people that are lining up are not finding the intended nation that was birthed in 1776. They are finding something far less. Instead of a nation who is passionate about her Creator (Jesus) they are finding a nation centered on presentation, conceit, pomp, and glamour."

      Why be passionate about a fraud? Waht people are finding is s nations that unfortunately still is being ahrmed by religous garbage instead of common sense and logic. But that is slowly changing.

  • Posted By: kriskiwi @ 02/05/2009 6:28:13 PM

    As an ex-gay, which looking back I know that life style was self centered and distructive. Any time that someone miss uses the bible to make them selves look better is just as bad! The bible was written for Christians, so if you are confused by what the bible says it is because you are reading someone elses mail. We are all going to die and be judged. You can write, hope or say what you want but it still will not change the truth. Instead of listening to someone else misquoting the bible, check it out for yourself!! One way to make sure that no one is misleading you is to never read just a verse. So many people use this trick to get what they want. Make sure to read atleast the chapter! Even better is to find out who wrote it and who they were writing to. Then you should be able to understand it better. Another point to the above story is that nobody is perfect including the writer of this story.

  • Posted By: arcanum202 @ 01/21/2009 9:12:01 AM

    What fascinates me is so many people think that this country was founded on Christian principles...It wasn't that at all. The country was founded on principles of freedom. If you want to really get the ugly truth of it, it was founded on ways to pay for a war, creating one currency, greed and establishing a place for the elite, and slavery to maximiize profits from indigo, tobacco and rice...What is Christian about that?

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 01/21/2009 10:52:46 AM

      Once reason was to have religious freedom! Quakers, Pilgrims, Jamestown Settlers - look at the purpose stated in their charter etc. Hopefully this current anti-religious movement will not take freedom for religion away. Also, you cannot accurate look at the America's history by only citing the bad. There was also much good. Let's at least for the sake of accuracy address both.

      • Posted By: jchastn @ 02/04/2009 1:19:31 AM

        I am a descendant of Huguenots, that is, French Protestants that were being burned at the stake in France, and escaped to the Colonies thru Britain. They came here because their beliefs would not get them killed. As a gay man, I am counting on this nation to resist the establishment of religion thru hateful and discriminitory laws based on the religious teachings of men who misinterpret and re-write God's word to support their social biases. These pharisees instill the hate of Satan in their followers and their children. Matthew Shepard was lynched because of the hate preached by men like Warren the Devil. BTW, Ted Haggard, no matter what he or his"counselors" say is GAY.

  • Posted By: HopeForCommonGround @ 02/03/2009 7:33:12 PM

    I am a Christian, but no one represents what I believe but Jesus, the living Word.
    I am offended when Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson say 9/11 is gay people's fault. How do they know? It is due to our inconsistent foreign policy, the actions of the nation, not its members, that bring national judgment (if that is what it was).
    I am offended with Rick Warren's comparison of gays to rapists and child molesters. They are not the same thing.
    It is not illegal to be gay. It should not be illegal for gays to marry. It should not be illegal for a gay spouse to make life support decisions. It should not be illegal for gay people to bequeath their goods to their spouse.
    Our government is of the people, by the people and for the people. Some of those people are gay.
    We cannot and should not allow our religious viewpoint dictate the law. I fully support the separation of church and State. The State should not endorse or enforce any religion.
    I agree with the Bible and what it defines as sin. But I don't want it forced on anyone, that helps no one.
    Picketing at gay funerals with obnoxious signs is HATE, Jesus is ashamed of you. Read how He lovingly showed people their sin and treated them kindly regardless of the response.
    Picketing at abortion clinics with pictures of dead babies is HATE. It will win no one to Christ. It will only cause people to reject Jesus based on a false premise.
    If we do these things, we are only coming across as self-righteous. Our righteousness is not our own, it is reckoned to our account because of Jesus. Can we please keep that in mind when we deal with others of a different viewpoint?

  • Posted By: trettewick @ 02/02/2009 3:38:21 PM

    Tampajunk,
    You are implying that the people showing up at your funerals shouting hateful comments and the ones trying so hard to make a homosexual's life miserable are in fact Christians. They may wear the cloak of Christianity but they are not true Bible-believing Christians. If "they" had read any of Jesus Christ's teachings, you and other homosexuals would being living peacefully and without harm.
    A ture Christian will not judge you but rather treat you with utmost love and compassion and be ready to show you the true God and his teachings if you were to simply ask.
    And lastly, Christimas and Easter are not true Christian religions but rather Pagan holidays that have unfortunately been absorbed into the Christian churches all over.
    I am personally very sorry for the way you may have been treated by people calling themselves "Christian".

  • Posted By: trettewick @ 02/02/2009 3:33:28 PM

    Tampajunk,
    You are implying that the people showing up at your funerals shouting hateful comments and the ones trying so hard to make a homosexual's life miserable are in fact Christians. They may wear the cloak of Christianity but they are not true Bible-believing Christians. If "they" had read any of Jesus Christ's teachings, you and other homosexuals would being living peacefully and without harm.
    A ture Christian will not judge you but rather treat you with utmost love and compassion and be ready to show you the true God and his teachings if you were to simply ask.
    And lastly, Christimas and Easter are not true Christian religions but rather Pagan holidays that have unfortunately been absorbed into the Christian churches all over.
    I am personally very sorry for the way you may have been treated by people calling themselves "Christian".

  • Posted By: Retiredjournalist @ 01/20/2009 6:26:25 PM

    Reporters are to report the news as it happens, not give personal opinion about people and their beliefs. After all your publication is called NEWSWEEK. What ever happened to reporting with out taking sides? Is real journalism dead now? Magazines and newspapers are now fascinated with celebrities and personality, gossip, and name calling. We live in a country where we have the freedom of speech and the freedom of choice, yet its now normal for the news media to bash Christians and their faith and what they believe. It never ends! I used to work for newspapers for 25 years myself and as a caption writer and photographer we were always told not to quote or use the name of Jesus Christ in our stories, or captions unless its "approved" by an editor. ITS A POLICY, PERIOD. When Jesus Christ actually changed my life and still continues to do so, I had to leave the business of journalism. I am now a freelancer and have no limitations to my sharing of my faith, to my freedom of speech and to my freedom to be who I am. People have a misunderstanding about Christians and this article shows the ignorance of the writer more then it shows any kind of intelligence. Christians love Muslims, Jews and homosexuals. We are required by Jesus Christ to Love all people. Homosexual people, know that you are loved, not hated by Christians, its the SIN that we do not like. Its flaunting the sin openly before our children that we dislike. Its your eagerness to spread the openness of that sin that is in conflict with Christians in good standing. To what can we compare it? Imagine for a moment if all the rapist (sin) or all the thieves (sin) in this country got together and openly shared what they do and "celebrate it" publicly, teaching the rest of this great nation that its OK and saying to your children that they should not be offended. That is what offends me as a Christian. Not the person. WE ARE ALL SINNERS, including myself. At least true Christians understand this and confess this to whoever wants to know. Jews are God's chosen people, we love each and every Jewish person and will do anything for them. Our lord and savior is also Jewish.

    • Posted By: tampajunk @ 01/31/2009 4:33:00 PM

      While you might speak for yourself - you are wrong to declare that all Christians love gay people. They love us so much that they show up at our funerals with signs that say "Die Fags". They love us so much that they fight for the ability to keep us from our loved ones hospital rooms when they are dying. They love us so much that they fight for the ability to keep us from being able to provide health insurance to our loved ones. Sorry retired journalist . . . if this is your type of love you can keep it. And to your logic of comparing us to rapists - do you even know how offensive you are? A person that has raped has broken the law and harmed others. Being gay is not against the law. I have every right to celebrate who I am just as you are welcome to celebrate your Christianity every Christmas, Easter. You want one standard for yourself and a lesser standard for gay people. Your posting is detestable.

  • Posted By: Chris12345 @ 01/23/2009 12:32:57 PM

    So when he wraps his great big arms around Muslims and Jews (and homosexuals), does he really believe there's hope for us? Or is he just being nice?
    We know that Jesus loves everyone. I believe Rick Warren loves everyone. There is also hope for everyone. Jesus is that hope! John 3:16 say "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him may not perish but have eternal life." Whosoever include Jews, Muslims, and homosexuals.
    That is not just being nice. That is not being hateful. That is the TRUTH.

    • Posted By: Constitution Lover @ 01/24/2009 10:53:33 AM

      That is not the truth it is only religious opinion of no value or validity to those who do not believe it.

      • Posted By: bojack27 @ 01/26/2009 12:12:20 PM

        That is not the truth it is only religious opinion of no value or validity to those who do not believe it.

        Hmm the truth has no validity if you do not believe it!. This is what is wrong with the country now.in my opinion.where truth seems relative to the listner and rejected by those who receive dressed up lies instead of the naked truth.So the question is "When did the truth become the truth? When you accept it or was it the truth all along?"

        • Posted By: Constitution Lover @ 01/28/2009 4:04:10 PM

          "the truth has no validity if you do not believe it!. "

          Since religious opinion is not "truth" it is only opinion and therefore it is not valid to non-believers.
          Believers swearing that their religion is truth does not make it truth.

  • Posted By: Alzata @ 01/22/2009 3:43:51 PM

    Both. He hopes that you will find your way to Jesus and he was being nice about it. These are true Christian values.

    • Posted By: catspaw @ 01/23/2009 2:09:49 PM

      Hoping you find your way to Jesus is NOT a true Christian value! Believe all are loved by Jesus is, no matter what!!!

      • Posted By: bojack27 @ 01/26/2009 12:19:54 PM

        Hoping you find your way to Jesus is NOT a true Christian value! Believe all are loved by Jesus is, no matter what!!!

        So you are saying to find your way to Jesus is not a Christian Value! Get Real! What good will it do to know that you are loved by Jesus and yet reject him in the end? The other part of your statement, "No mater what!" is saying Jesus should accept any type of behavior and not judge. This will definately not happen! Read the Bible before you think you know what Jesus is all about

  • Posted By: RadC @ 01/23/2009 2:03:25 PM

    NICE MY ASS - Rick Warren does NOT love gay people - He's a HOMOPHOBIC BIGOT - A HIPPOCRATE - and a LIAR.

    • Posted By: bojack27 @ 01/26/2009 12:13:46 PM

      Spoken like to true loving Homosexual that you are. NOT!

  • Posted By: Omarallen @ 01/26/2009 1:35:06 AM

    In this article, Lisa Miller points out that Rcik Warren and Obama are entirely dissimilar; however, she then calls Rick Warren "savvy and not specific" - which is EXACTLY what Obama is...So there is your simliarity. The last couple of sentences in the article shows me that the journalist has probably not read the Bible.. which of course Rick Warren has. It looked like Obama wasn't even paying attention to Warren's prayer and was tuning out just wanting it to be over.
    I thought a much bigger deal than Warren's prayer was the "prayer" by Rev. Lowery, which seemed to be a "less than reverent" little rhyme with lots of racial overtones (e.g. praying that "Black never has to give back") while Obama smiled and laughed - it didnt seem very unifying or glorifying. That was trumped by the racist filth spewed by rap artists Jay-Z and Young Jeezy... which of course wasn't renounced in any way. And that was trumped by the rude ugly crowd booing GW and Laura Bush... a golden opportunity for Obama to put his money where his mouth is and let his actions live up to his rhetoric for a change, but he failed to admonish the crowd in any way then or since.

    • Posted By: Constitution Lover @ 01/26/2009 11:18:03 AM

      "It looked like Obama wasn't even paying attention to Warren's prayer and was tuning out just wanting it to be over."

      Actually it looked like he was listening (not necessariily agreeing but listening.)

      "I thought a much bigger deal than Warren's prayer was the "prayer" by Rev. Lowery, which seemed to be a "less than reverent" little rhyme with lots of racial overtones (e.g. praying that "Black never has to give back") while Obama smiled and laughed - it didnt seem very unifying or glorifying."

      A prayer does not have to be reverant to be effective. And the rhymes were only a small part of what was said. And only a closed-minded person would not understand that his prayer was ringing back to the civil rights movement. There is, unfortunatley still racism in the US, and he pointed that out.

      Of course the relaity is that the prayers were unneeded.

      "That was trumped by the racist filth spewed by rap artists Jay-Z and Young Jeezy... which of course wasn't renounced in any way."

      Funny, I do not recall them being part of the Inauguration ceremony. So that comment is of no import.

      " And that was trumped by the rude ugly crowd booing GW and Laura Bush... a golden opportunity for Obama to put his money where his mouth is and let his actions live up to his rhetoric for a change, but he failed to admonish the crowd in any way then or since."

      The crowd had every right to boo George Bush (the were not booing Laura Bush). It was their last chance to, with an international audience let him and the world know what they thought of him. Free Speech and all that. And it was not Obama's place to correct them. He was letting them have their say, after having thanked him for his graciousness during the transition. It showed that there is still a lot of healing left in this country. And Obama mentioning the various belief structures that are part of our nation (including those that do not believe in supernatural entities, which is what gods are) and that all are equal under the law.

  • Posted By: robertMacHale @ 01/25/2009 11:51:16 PM

    Good job Rick! RM

  • Posted By: MorganJP @ 01/24/2009 3:05:10 PM

    I think that we will never get to an agreement point on religious matters. Wheter is a conservative or a liberal or fudamentalist... everyone will rise their voice; in favor or disagreement. The point is that our opinion are base in the interpretation of the religious text (the Bible in this case); which is usually interpreted with a personal bias. Once will be acused of being exclusive and others wanting to be inclusive, exclude everyone that doesn't agree with them. If that's the case I think we all are in the same position. Aren't we?

  • Posted By: MorganJP @ 01/24/2009 3:03:36 PM

    I think that we will never get to an agreement point on religious matters. Wheter is a conservative or a liberal or fudamentalist... everyone will rise their voice; in favor or disagreement. The point is that our opinion are base in the interpretation of the religious text (the Bible in this case); which is usually interpreted with a personal bias. Once will be acused of being exclusive and others wanting to be inclusive, exclude everyone that doesn't agree with them. If that's the case I think we all are in the same position. Aren't we?

  • Posted By: tryn @ 01/24/2009 12:52:54 AM

    Its unfortunate that people disregard Jesus becasue they dont want to turn back form the sin in their life. The sin they have become blinded by. Followers of Christ dont find His words so ambiguous. And God does love all..but not the sin we CHOOSE to commit. Truth is truth

    • Posted By: Constitution Lover @ 01/24/2009 10:55:59 AM

      "Its unfortunate that people disregard Jesus becasue they dont want to turn back form the sin in their life."

      No they disregard Jesus becuase he is not value to anyone except those who believe in him. And what you might consider sin other do not. Sin is a religious concept not a real one.

      "Truth is truth"

      Not it is not. Religious truth is only valid to those who chose to follow it. It is not truth to the universe.

  • Posted By: floridagal704 @ 01/22/2009 6:02:28 PM

    Enter Your Comment Rick Warren WAS being inclusive - he was praying for God to touch each and every human being so that he/she would come to know Him and His Son.

    • Posted By: Constitution Lover @ 01/24/2009 10:52:15 AM

      But since that was hoping for something that is unneeded (and an idea that is valid ONLY to believers in Christinatiy, not to the rest of us) he wasted his time.

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