Hamas and Its Discontents

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  • Posted By: Getitout @ 01/25/2009 8:27:12 PM

    Maybe both are at fault. But again when I see Israel armed to its teeth for some tin cans rockets, some of them homemade. Israel has to take the blame for all the civilian deaths. Israel knew before it decided to attack with its bombardment that civilian casualities wiil be high, and they went for it. Because they have the weapons to do it with. Also because the United States going to back them up. They will be financialy supported, and militarily. Israel get all that from the United States, it is almost like the United States approved of this Gaza conflict with its casualties before hand. These casualties wouldn't be that high if Israel didn't have those weapons. I hope next time, which I believe they will be a next time, the Palestinians have at least one tank or two. Then the Israeli probably will use its nukes. I think the Israeli are paranoid of the Palestinians.

  • Posted By: christophr2 @ 01/24/2009 4:02:51 PM

    To all those who believe either Israel or the Arab world (Hamas in this specific case, if you wish) is right: Both cultures have a right to exist, both have a long-standing history in Palestine. Yet, both regularly commit atrocities, both are hypocritical in the extreme, to wit: 1) Israel pretends to desire peace, and even shamefully at times pretends to believe in a two-state solution. Meanwhile, Israel developed a strategy of colonial occupation of the West Bank and other areas specifically to make a two-state solution impossible, and 2) Hamas (as one reply put it, is a group of thugs who are in charge inside the concentration camp that is the Gaza strip) and, it is no stretch to say, the Arab world at large, is also commited to the destruction of their enemy, the Israeli state. These two powers have been lying and making war against each other, and making propaganda war against the rest of the world, while simultaneously being manipulated by the imperial Anglo powers that supply billions to Israel yearly (without which it is obvious that Israel would long ago have ceased to exist). A two-state solution is a fantasy created to appease those ignorant of the basic facts of the situation: neither side will cede territory, or ever stop fighting, until their enemy is annihiliated. The doves on both sides, even were they in the majority, haven't the power or the stomach to overthrow their greedy, bloodthirsty masters. On the Israeli side, Israel itself, even if it were to come to the rational conculsion that they cannot kill every single Palestinian, would not give up the billions and billions it receives from the US, and these American strategic interests lie in keeping the Middle East in disarray, essentially forever, since the alternative from a realpolitic point of view would mean these two semitic peoples would eventually unite against their real oppressors, the Anglo powers. Stop the endless and meaningless "Israel or Palestine is right", no solution lies in that line of thought, only charges and counter-charges, ad infinitum. Obama must inject, sooner than later, rational policy into our orientation. We must force both sides to disarm, that includes Iran and Israel, and somehow put a lid on all the American evangelicals who fantasize about the end of days, and wittingly abet the continuation of the struggle. We also must take the power away from the military-industrial complex, who was overjoyed at the insane Zionist notion that putting an Israeli state in Palestine would be workable. Even Herzl himself fretted about the rationality of the scheme.

    • Posted By: hals @ 01/25/2009 4:58:49 PM

      Christopher2 ,
      you attempt to be impartial yet you end up in a diatribe against Israel. You evidently place them in the same classification as Gaza. Israel is not dependent on the US. They have a viable thriving economy, They have converted Desert land into farmland. They also have a thriving electronic industry and actually trade with the US. The aid is not as you describe and compared to Hama's who seems to only trade in weapons with our aid
      to use against Israel. They recieve aid from the E.U. Iran,Syria,Saudia Arabia and even tax money from Israel but
      per person it outnumbers the aid to Israel. Their claim to fame are suicide belts, rockets,
      What could they have become using this peacefully co-existing with Israel? Think about it and no more B.S.

  • Posted By: hals @ 01/25/2009 4:40:47 PM

    This article explains a lot. The Hama's supporters don't seem to like it very much because it doesn't give them a positive image. I read the earlier posts and realize that the new fighting is a PROPAGANDA WAR. I see the same names or posts on other sites. They either are paid agents or puppets of Hama's. They keep repeating the same mantra hoping readers wiill buy some of their bizarre history. Though their maps have removed the country of Israel, and rewritten history for their children so they will hate the Jews., they claim that readers misunderstand them and they are freedom fighters.
    Freedom fighters fight governments , not send suicide bombers into civilian locals killing children. Yes , you killed innocent children,women, old people, before this war and didn't yell you were nazi's . The rockets not only targeted them for death but for maiming by putting ballbearings,nails shrapnel and coating them with feces.
    Is not that a WAR CRIME ???? Where is the international community OUTCRY????? Of course only a few died so what.? How many died from the suicide bombs? How many traumatized by this? Did not matter, only Jews big deal!!
    Trust the UN? The international community who stood by then and kept quiet.

  • Posted By: hnrast @ 01/25/2009 1:37:23 AM

    Jesus said in Luke 12:4-5 "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

  • Posted By: hnrast @ 01/25/2009 1:36:38 AM

    Jesus said in Luke 12:4-5 "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

  • Posted By: Ethan30 @ 01/24/2009 10:22:50 PM

    Who was to blame for the German civilians who were killed by the bombings of the British army on WWII?

    Should we blame Britian?
    I think it is the fault of the people of Germany who elected an insane racist who wanted to take over the world.

    Same goes with the Gazans.
    They wanted to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews.
    They voted for war and war they got.

  • Posted By: boscobear @ 01/24/2009 12:57:32 PM

    Hamas ans other rabid Arabs are to blame for the Gaza deaths.

  • Posted By: hassan alfayfi @ 01/24/2009 12:37:48 PM

    Orthodox Jewish Bible said Jewsh are sons of snakes so no Peace middeleast with zinsot country all Jewsh should go out of Plastine Muslem holly land
    abu hatem alfay fi

  • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/23/2009 9:20:53 PM

    According to rules of engagements, which all civilized countries follow (Arabs not included), every building used by enemy for cover is considered a fair military target. If civiliand were killed there - sodiers are not responsible, but those who fired from those buildings are war criminals. The best solution for Hamas leaders would be to surrender to Hague, because otherwise Netanyahu will kill all of them very soon (6-12 months).

    • Posted By: M.Taimur @ 01/24/2009 4:06:28 AM

      take a shovel man. Either your an Israeli or you watch too much FIXED news. You gullibly accept all non-BS israeli propoganda. This has been debunked numerous times by media sources. Lets take the example of UN schools hit by Israel and the UN supply building. The UN has catagorically said that their buildings neither housed nor were used to launch attack on IDF. Yet israel hit them and killed inocent.

      And talking of Geneva conventions, i think that using Phosphorous bombs and depleted Uranium shells is also allowed......eh

  • Posted By: M.Taimur @ 01/24/2009 4:01:20 AM

    ahan, so Islam considers non-muslims as sub-humans. Well lets see now:

    The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. THEY ARE BEASTS." TALMUD: Baba Mezia

    "The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture says to honor the dog more than the non-Jew." TALMUD:Ereget Raschi Erod

    "The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called PIGS." TALMUD: Jalkut Rubeni gadol

    "A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant ANIMAL." TALMUD: Coschen Hamischpat

    oopss.. sorry, i had to qoute from the Quraan, i mistakenly quoted from old testiment. Iam sorry, offcourse there is no racisim in Juadism.

  • Posted By: MBrando @ 01/22/2009 6:23:59 PM

    Palestinian US College Grad Loses 2 Brothers in Israeli Shooting; Father Watched Son Bleed to Death After Israeli Troops Bar Ambulances.

    Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez invited Amer Shurrab to tell the story, you can find it at:

    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/22/part_ii_palestinian_us_college_grad

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/23/2009 9:24:05 PM

      Try to escape to Egypt. Oops! They also do not want you.

  • Posted By: sana1+1=2 @ 01/23/2009 7:18:29 PM

    Gaza was under a continuous impediment since 2006 and a total blockade since November 2008. Saying that innocent people had fled before the recent war on Gaza is just a way to justify the Israeli war crimes.

  • Posted By: sana1+1=2 @ 01/23/2009 3:08:40 PM

    What a magical word! ???ANTISEM???. Israel killed 1500 civilians and injured 5500 in twenty days, and no one can talk about the victims, unless he wants to be called ???Anti-Semitic.??? Jews have the right to use this world when they are hated for religious reasons, but they do not have the right to use it to cover up Israel???s crimes.

  • Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 01/23/2009 6:46:39 AM

    It is an admitted fact that,
    Hamas knew Isreal was apower,
    it had nuclear weapons,strong air force,and artilery,gunship helicopters,
    in comparision what hamas had?
    nothing,home made rockets which became the reason of carnage.

    When they knew they could not stand before them,
    why had been rocket firing inside Israel?
    if they wanted to remove blockade, there were many other options,
    but the instigated Israel for reaction,
    so they proved themself senseless.

    During the war,
    what Israel did?believed on spy information,
    that Hamas millitant entered into the warehouses,
    civilans houses,schools,including the school ,which was runing under the supervision of The United Nations,
    Israel fired carelessly,absolutely carelessly,
    and killed innocent civilans with childern.

    Israel put all laws aside and blindly attacked ,
    infrastructures,medical suplies and essentials for human life,
    having known the fact that he was superpower in the comparision of Hamas,
    Israel made more mistakes ,more than Hamas,
    it used its power blindly,
    so Israel is blind.

  • Posted By: Barnesms @ 01/22/2009 6:16:43 AM

    There are no civilians in Gaza! They don't exist. The people brought Hamas to power, they tolerate and support the missiles flying into Israel to kill indiscriminately. Israel should not have stopped until every Hamas supporter was run into the sea. No one is responsible for the current condition of the Palestinians except themselves. Terrorists and those who seek to obliterate the nation of Israel deserve nothing, but to be hunted down and exterminated. That is not ethnic cleanings, but it is decisively demonstrating that violence will earn you nothing but death.

    • Posted By: user82958 @ 01/22/2009 8:17:06 PM

      How would you feel if your family, your children, your wife, were killed in front of your eyes? How can Newsweek allow this barbarian to advocate genocide and mass murder on this website?

    • Posted By: user82958 @ 01/22/2009 8:13:03 PM

      What kind of cruel horrible excuse for a human being would say something like that?

    • Posted By: froy1100 @ 01/22/2009 8:43:03 AM

      So killing every man, woman and child in Gaza is what you propose to solve the conflict. Care to check "genocide" in your thesaurus?

      It frightens me to think that people like you are behind Israel's government. But on the other hand, you and your pals should make yourselves heard more widely. That way it would be easier to convince Western governments to impose some well-deserved sanctions on that rogue state.

  • Posted By: DavidBaltimore @ 01/21/2009 9:17:53 PM

    hmm...I have my own answer to this dilemma. Here it is:
    Just stop treating the like they are not human, stop messing with their lives, stop killing their children, stop grabbing their land, in short: Be civilized and act like decent humans. Then you will see that they show no interest in killing themselves and you.
    How about that?

    • Posted By: researchok @ 01/21/2009 9:24:37 PM

      What land grab?

      Please- if you are advocating the elimination of Israel, just say so! At least be upfront about your agenda.

      • Posted By: froy1100 @ 01/22/2009 8:15:46 PM

        So you mean that Israel needs to keep expanding its settlements on the occupied Palestinian West Bank to ensure its existence? Any other suggestion will be understood as a threat to the survival of this nation, right? Bottom line: let Israel do as it pleases or you will be accused of advocating a new Holocaust.

        No wonder Israel is considered a paranoid state.

  • Posted By: ClearThinking @ 01/22/2009 7:10:45 PM

    Regarding: "Posted By: mujnoon01 @ 01/17/2009 4:50:05 AM

    Q -why we support hand full jews against over q billion muslims ??/ just one country Israel very tiny and 60 muslim country why ?? make the 60 muslims country happy let the jews go seperate ways !!!!! good foriiegn policy should be to make muslims happy becasue they are more muslims then jews !!! right ??"

    A -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Because we don't want to be forced to choose between Islam and extermination. The real goal of radical Islamic fundamentalism, like the basic ideology of the government of Iran, is to convert or exterminate non-Muslims and bring and end to what they consider the evil western way of life and our beliefs in freedom and equality for men and women. It is therefore in our best interests to support the resistance of these tendrils of hate and intolerance as they spread out to infect the world.

    It's terrible that so many civilians were killed in this action. I cried openly st some of the footage i saw. How many? 1000 or more? Just terrible. Shame on Hamas for bringing this down on their own people. If they just stopped firing rockets, none of this would have taken place. It makes me think they wanted to get bloodied to earn respect and sympathy.

    btw, More than 1.5 MILLION German civilians were killed in WWII. Was that too many? Should we have capitulated and let Hitler and the Nazis rule the world?

  • Posted By: Nick - Hampstead @ 01/22/2009 6:32:33 PM

    There really is no question on who is responsibe for the deaths of over 8000 Palestinians, more than half women and children. We Americans take half of the blame. Israel is part to blame and we who fund the bombs and the rockets and turn a blind eye while Israels commits outrageous attrocities against the Palestinians. We too share the blame.
    Jewish settlers steal land and terrorize Palestinan farmers and we say nothing. Israel spitefully drops cluster bombs on southern Lebanon at the end of their war with Hezbolah, we say nothing. Israel murders 1000 civilians in Beirut, far away from their fight with Hezbolah, we say nothing. Phosphate bombs are used in a densley populated areas in Gaza, and again we say nothing. Israel starves the Palestinains, yes, we say nothing. Yes, the Palestinians do fire rockets, and since January 2000 killed 4 civilians. Isreal has killed over 8000 and the number is still going up. Shame on us for turning a blind eye to those oppressed by Israel's shameful behavior.

    We bullied the world into recognizing the state of Israel in 1948, even though there were Jewish terrorists in the Israeli government. Why not recognize Hamas and start talking in a meaningful, balanced, and objective way? If there's peace, there is no reason to continue the $3billion annual welfare check we write to Israel.

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