To simply answer the question posed by the title of this artrice, Hamas is responsible for putting civilians in harm's way by using residential and similar areas as sheilds, launching and staging points. It is regretable when the are civilian casualties; however, Hamas set up thier own for this, NOT Isreal.
Hamas and Its Discontents
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Posted By: AL Steven @ 01/22/2009 5:39:38 PM
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 01/22/2009 5:35:03 PM
Brad Brzezinski: "They could just develop Gaza." Why don't they just reach down and pull on their bootstraps?
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 01/22/2009 5:28:00 PM
harrylogy, Your rationale to justify deaths of innocents in Gaza is no more valid than that of the Arabs who celebrated and justified the deaths of innocents on 9/11 stating that there were no innocents because they elected the U.S. government that the terrorists opposed.
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Posted By: Honest Broker @ 01/21/2009 9:27:36 PM
When a rocket is shot by Hamas onto Israel and someone is killed, who killed that person? Hamas! When Israel shoots rockets and bombs and those rockets and bombs kill Palestinians, why are we asking who is the blame for the Palestinian deaths? Isn't that a no brainer? This question sounds like the battered wife being told by the beating husband, "Look what you made me do to you?" And she is sitting there half dead, beat up, broken ribs, black eyes, psychologically destroyed. Israel's bombs shot by Israelis mean that Israel/Israelis killed Palestinians. End of story.
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Posted By: researchok @ 01/21/2009 10:38:35 PM
Moronic. The primary responsibility of every civilized state is to protect it's citizens.
Hamas was elected by the Palestinians, just like Hitler was brought to power by the Germans. Like the Nazis, the Hamas regime make very clear their genocidal intentions every day, in media, schools and from the pulpit.
There is no such thing as a disproportionate response to calls for genocide- and it wasn't as if the Palestinians didn't know EXACTLY who they were voting for.
Hamas deliberately chooses NOT to protect it's citizens in many ways. They hide behind women and old people, hide in schools and hospitals and use children as shields.
In their world heroes kill. In the civilized world, heroes save live. Cultures are not measured by how many lives they take- they are measured bu how many lives they save.
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Posted By: froy1100 @ 01/22/2009 2:00:13 AM
So the best way to protect your citizens is to cave in and allow Israel keep your people under siege, arrest them at will without charges and expand their illegal settlements over their land, because if you do something about it, you are putting your people at risk, right?
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Posted By: Barnesms @ 01/22/2009 6:22:32 AM
No, what needs to be done is for Hamas to accept the right of the nation of Israel to exist, lay down their arms, and begin to act like civilized people. Then sit down and through diplomatic channels create the new state of Palestine and all their people to live in peace and prosperity with their neighbors. This is not rocket science, but just being civilized.
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Posted By: MBrando @ 01/22/2009 8:38:25 AM
Fatah under Abbas authority did exactly what you've said, they laid down their arms, they negotiated with Israel through diplomatic channels, they made lot of concessions, and guess what the Palestinians got in return:
More settlements.
More humiliation.
More blockade.
More occupation.
More killing.
More prisoners....etc....
I think the problem is not Hamas, the problem is the zionist racist state of Israel who is not willing to give up land for peace. The Zionists are arrogant and they think they can get anything they want by force. they believe that might is right, they believe that they can bring the Palestinian resistance to it's knee by starving them and controling their land, air, and sea spaces.
Gaza now is under siege, and the west bank under occupation, No free person on earth would accept to leave under such conditions. The radicalization of a movement like Hamas is the result of policies and the behaviour of the state of Israel since 1993 Oslo Accords. If Israel is willing to leave in peace side by side with it's neighbors, I believe she should give up it's arrogant attitude and sit down with it's "ennemies". She has already a platform she can build on, the 2002 Arab summit in Beirut, return to 1967 borders in exchange for peace with all it's neighbors. The occupation of the palestinian territories need to end. The Palestinians deserve to live in peace like all the human beings side by side with the Israelis in their homeland, they deserve a viable Palestinian state where the free movement of persons and goods is guaranteed fore everyone.-
Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 9:04:49 AM
Sorry MBrando, but you're wrong.
Fatah, under Yassir Arafat's direction turned down the deal offered by Ehud Barak.....
...which, as warned by Bill Clinton, led to the landslide victory of the more hawkish Ariel Sharon and Israel hasn't looked back since.
No, I'm not defending Israel, just correcting your myopic view of the situation.
Love,
JM
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Posted By: MBrando @ 01/22/2009 9:32:32 AM
Fatah under Yassir Arafat did not turn down the Ehud Barak offer like you said, what hapened is Arafat made clear to President Clinton he could not accept an offer which not take in consideration the right of return for the refugees, and the statut of East Jerusalem as capital of the Palestinian state. For more information you can go to MSNBC archives and hear what Dr. Brezinski said about the negotiations between Barak and Arafat under the supervision of President Clinton administration.
For the word "Zionist", I want to make it clear that there is a difference between being a Jew and being a Zionist. I respect Judaisme as a religion and the Jews as people, but I disagree and have no respect for the Zionists and the Zionism which is a racist ideology on which the state of Israel is based to disposess the Palestinians from their lands and deprive them from their freedom.-
Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 9:40:17 AM
My bad...he didn't "turn it down"....he just "could not accept " it.
sheesh
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Posted By: MBrando @ 01/22/2009 9:55:03 AM
If you can not understand the difference between "turn it down" and "could not accept it" in diplomatic thesaurus. Sorry, I can not help.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 01/22/2009 5:19:04 PM
If you cannot explain the difference, then either there is none or you don't understand it.
I agree with JM. Your 'point' as a distinction without a difference.
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Posted By: froy1100 @ 01/22/2009 9:37:07 AM
That's the same piece of... propaganda we are all tired of hearing repeated. After the Camp David meetings, where Ehud Barak was more concerned about getting reelected than anything else, and they didn't even want to leave inwriting the negotiation sessions, there were another set of meetings in Taba, Egypt, where substantial progress was made (Shlomo Ben-Ami, Israel's negotiator, said that they were closer than ever to the possibility of striking a final deal). But then Barak called back his delegation for consultation and never sent it again to the negotiation table. Shortly after, Ehud Barak rejected all agreements made in those sessions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taba_Summit#Barak.27s_negation_of_the_talks
Spain's current Foreign Affairs minister M.A. Moratinos left a full description of the meetings. You can read it by yourself: http://www.mideastweb.org/moratinos.htm
It's good to bring up these subjects, as a chance to debunk some well-established myths, so people can see the true reasons for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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Posted By: froy1100 @ 01/22/2009 9:01:45 AM
Hamas offered a 10 year truce to Israel and showed willingness to negotiate, without preconditions, to Jimmy Carter and anyone who cared to listen (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-marzook6-2009jan06,0,7077954.story). How did Israel respond? Urging Western nations to halt all economic contributions to the PNA, staging a failed coup with their Fatah puppets, and when nothing else worked, air-tightening a blockade on Gaza that was going on since the 1st intifada.
The truth is Israel was never interested in dealing with Hamas, no matter the attitude they adopted. They didn't want a strong PNA defending its people's interests, but rather a puppet police regime which controls the unruly Palestinians while they keep expanding their settlements in the West Bank.
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Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 7:39:34 AM
"No, what needs to be done is for Hamas to accept the right of the nation of Israel to exist, lay down their arms, and begin to act like civilized people. Then sit down and through diplomatic channels create the new state of Palestine and all their people to live in peace and prosperity with their neighbors. This is not rocket science, but just being civilized. "
What are you....crazy?
Lay down their arms???? Stop launching rockets???? Take off the suicide vests?????
Why would you suggest that?
Is it because nonviolence worked for Martin Luther King and Mahatma Ghandi?
Is it because negotiating a peaceful coexistence with your sworn enemy worked for Nelson Mandela?
Is it because Egypt made peace with Israel.....WITHOUT suffering a coup at the hands of the militants? (Hamas called the deal "treacherous")
Is it because the communists regimes of Eastern Europe toppled without violence (for the most part) when the people got fed up and DEMANDED BETTER FROM THEIR LEADERS?????
Is it because you can point to countless examples in history that violence solves nothing?
wait a minute....what was my point again? :)
Love,
JM
PS--yes, I'm being facetious
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Posted By: DavidBaltimore @ 01/22/2009 1:35:10 AM
i am disgusted by your arrogance and lack of mercy. in spite of all the misery Israel caused you keep on putting the blame on 1200 or so dead and more than 4000 injured and utter these disgusting, arrogant words.
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Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 8:16:27 AM
What is more merciful....
negotiating a peaceful coexistance with your sworn enemy....
...or telling your people to strap suicide vests and blow themselves up?
The Hamas charter says peaceful coexistance can only occur under the "wing" of Islam. There is no negotiating with these people, and while that doesn't justify an overwhelming response from Israel, it almost guarantees that such a response will come.
One quote somes up the situation best:
"Or as his fellow PPP official, Walid al Awad, put it: 'It was a mistake to give Israel the excuse to come in.' "
FINALLY!!!! A little (un)common sense!
Love,
JM
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Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/21/2009 11:54:40 PM
lets not forget when, or if,, it is Hammas, has a sucide bomber kill 2 wound 15,, the Proper responce by Isreal is 4 helios 20 sidewinders in any given neighborhood and called even.. after they kill 150 wound 450 that's fair right? Then again the question is who is responsable,, try starting with Olmert, the PM,, who was tried and found guilty in a court of law,, of stealing the aid funds for these people,, and ask who is at fault? Olmert still sits atop his throne today,,,when he should have stepped down the day he started a war with the Hammas...For throwing rocks,in reality,, they kill less than drunks on our own roads... so who is the terrorist?
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Posted By: DavidBaltimore @ 01/21/2009 9:54:38 PM
well said indeed
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Posted By: user82958 @ 01/21/2009 9:39:32 PM
Well said Honest Broker!
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Posted By: ross1972 @ 01/22/2009 4:07:50 PM
People of Gaza,Hamas claims victory at the expense of your lives not their own.You are expendable to the Israelis and your own government.You are bloody exclamation points on their charter.You are professional victims,there for all the world to see your suffering so hamas will profit.Stand up now and throw hamas off your back before they decide they need to make a statement again in your blood.Good luck in the next war.
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Posted By: Alzata @ 01/22/2009 3:02:30 PM
Historically ending and winning wars means killing lots of civilians. We told Japan that we would use nuclear if they did not surrender. They refused so we used one. They stll refused so we did it again and they surrendered. Hitler "buzz bombed" London. We firebombed German cities until the will to fight and support Hitler was broken. If this is no longer the politically correct thing to do then we are doomed to fight lots of wars without end.
Hamas, a duly elected government of the Palestinians, says it wants to wipe Israel off the map but does not have the means to do so. Israel, a democracy, has the power to wipe out Gaza but chooses not to. What happens when Hamas achieves the ability to wipe out Israel (think Iran here)? Who will win and how?
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Posted By: user82958 @ 01/21/2009 9:20:16 PM
What is Newsweek's goal in asking "who's responsible for civilian deaths?" Who do they think is responsible? Did they kill themselves? Did Hamas go around killing their own neighbors?
Why is Newsweek trying to clear Israel of responsibility? Why is Newsweek trying to blame the victims? This is dispicable and wicked thing to ask.
Who's responsible for the death of jewish civilians in the holocaust? Who's responsible for the civilian deaths on 9/11? Why the double standard?-
Posted By: researchok @ 01/21/2009 9:26:50 PM
Well, it isn't as if Hamas hasn't killed hundreds of Palestinians and it isn't as if the Palestinian promises of 'rivers of blood' and 'We'll finish what Hitler started' are secrets, you know.
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Posted By: user82958 @ 01/21/2009 9:32:52 PM
Oh you mean the civil war imposed on the palestinian people by the U.S., Israel, and their "moderate" dictatorship allies (i.e. egypt, jordan) for democratically electing the wrong government in Gaza?
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Posted By: researchok @ 01/21/2009 9:45:02 PM
The Palestinians knew EXACTLY who they were voting for. When it came to killing Jews, it was Jihad. When it came to the Israelis defending themselves, all of a sudden they were victims.
You can't have it both ways. The civil war you speak is fueled by the desire to lead yet another corrupt Arab regime. It really is that simple. Just today, Hamas was caught stealing relief supplies.-
Posted By: DavidBaltimore @ 01/21/2009 9:58:56 PM
Palestinians knew EXACTLY who they were voting for. So, KILL THEM ALL, right? Your lack of empathy for the pain of Palestinians is so obvious. Your support for Israel's COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT strategy is hidden in your words, my friend. Its like this: "Palestinians voted for Hamas, and Hamas fires rockets, so Palestinians can be killed just like Hamas" so the collective punishment...
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Posted By: researchok @ 01/21/2009 10:15:40 PM
What an absurd comment!
Like the Nazis, Hamas was voted into power by way of free elections. Had the Allies bombed Berlin in 1939, up to 50 MILLION lives would have been saved.
Hamas has made very clear their racism, bigotry, hate and genocidal intentions. The Nazis early on tried to hide their intent- Hamas, wildly popular government of the Palestinians could not be bothered. They have already stated their commitment to Jihad and their desire to eliminate the State of Israel and to eradicate the Jews- a reality that doesn't seem to bother you in the least.
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Posted By: user82958 @ 01/21/2009 10:37:30 PM
researchok, stop spewing your propaganda and hatred, think for yourself. Who is the one practicing genocide, Hamas or the Israeli government?
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Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 1:50:06 PM
"Who is the one practicing genocide, Hamas or the Israeli government? "
Both. Any questions?
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Posted By: researchok @ 01/21/2009 11:12:13 PM
That answer is easy!
For decades, the Palestinians, like the Nazis, have been calling for the death of the Jews. They have called for a Jihad and some Imams have said the rape of Jewish and Christian women is obligatory. Palestinian and Arab world media, school curriculum and religious instruction all center around the call to 'Finish what Hitler started' as well as referring to Jews as 'our dogs.'
As was noted earlier, there is no such thing as a disproportionate response to calls for genocide.
Now, if you really want genocide, look to the GIA in Algeria, who raped and killed children before murdering them. Or, you might consider the Arab janjaweed in Darfur, raping and murdering. Then there is the Abu Sayef in the Philippines and their beheading of Christian campaigns or the Muslims in East Timor, with their forced conversions and forced circumcisions.
Of course, we can't forget the Palestinians killed by other Palestinians in Gaza, the West bank, Jordan and Lebanon. When all is is said and done, it appears the Israelis are not so great at genocide after all.
It also curious just how many Palestinians want their Israeli residence cards. There are a whole lot of people who know exactly what most civilized people know: The 'hell' of Israel is a lot better than the paradise of Hamas.-
Posted By: froy1100 @ 01/22/2009 2:10:12 AM
The Palestinians call for the end to the occupation of their land. Stop making false accusations.
And we all know that Israel has been behind many of the killing of Palestinians by other Palestinians, like in the US/Israel-backed (and failed) Fatah coup, or the ones killed by Western-backed Jordanian kings and Lebanese factions.
Lift the siege and end the occupation, and maybe Palestinians will prefer to live in their own land. I can't blame them for not wanting to live in a concentration camp.-
Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 7:52:06 AM
Dude, you're living in a dream world
Try reading their charter, they make it very clear that they (Hamas) despise the peace process, believe that "peaceful coexistence" can only occur under the shadow/wing of Islam (depending on the translation), and that it is the responsibility of ALL Palestinians to be involved in the cause....
...including women, who are expected to raise/prepare their kids to be fighters for the cause.
Don't believe me?
Check it our for yourself
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
Love,
JM
PS--yes, Israel sucks too
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Posted By: DavidBaltimore @ 01/22/2009 1:43:10 AM
"there is no disproportionate response to calls for genocide"
what kind of fuked up reasoning is this? a disproportionate response is what it is. we are talking about real people. why are you so brainwashed my friend? what kind of heart do you carry? dont you have any sympathy for 300 children your pals just killed?
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Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 7:42:35 AM
I thought he was referring to the Palestinians that Hamas murders for betraying the cause....
...or perhaps he was referring to the Palestinian supporters of Fatah that Hamas murders for betraying the cause?
OOPS! My bad.....the Israelis are the only ones who kill Palestinians (yeah, right)
Love,
JM
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Posted By: dror ben ami @ 01/22/2009 12:32:53 PM
Just out of curiousity: Does anyone know what happened to all those thousands of people who were dying of Cholera in Zimbabwai ????
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Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 1:48:54 PM
Nobody cares about them because they don't have oil or nukes.
Love,
JM
PS--I still can't get ahold of my friends in Zimbabwe (African and non-African). The situation is beyond desperate.
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Posted By: hnrast @ 01/22/2009 12:55:50 PM
Romans 3: 10-18 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes.???
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Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 8:23:43 AM
It just keeps getting better...
"Hamas dismisses reconciliation talks with Fatah"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_palestinians_politics_2
They can't even make peace with their own people!
Love,
JM
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Posted By: jokoparadise @ 01/21/2009 11:22:24 PM
the fact IDF never bring evidence, or find some proof if hamas hid under the civilians, and olmert know if hamas under the ground, so massacred by IDF is only holocausting PAlestinian, to find their hell of promised land (between Efrat-Tigris) ti celebrate holocaustday 27th January becomes. Zionist promise to do holocaust since 1948, heigt accuration IDF's weapon its only for killing civilians as their primary targetr. IDF have hiegt developed technology and satelite why they caouldnt bring HMAS domwn? cause holocaust Palestina is the aim.
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Posted By: researchok @ 01/22/2009 8:07:39 AM
What a silly remark! The evidence- including videos, are readily available. In fact, not even the Arab nations are refuting the Israeli evidence. As this Newsweek article makes clear, the
Just because the Israelis don't see fit to keep you informed might be because when all is said is done, they don't have to.
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Posted By: Honest Broker @ 01/21/2009 9:20:05 PM
Who's to blame for the deaths in Gaza? If Hamas shots a rocket on to Israel, who is to blame for Israeli deaths? Who would ask that question? It would be understood that THE ONE WHO SHOT THE ROCKET WAS TO BLAME. To ask who is the blame is like asking a battered wife, who is to blame for those blows on your face and that broken arm and your psychological battery? Who bombed Gaza; who shot up those houses and bull dozed houses? So Israel is to take blame for what Israel did - NO "look what you just made me do" stuff.
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Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 7:55:00 AM
Yes, but unfortunately, you cannot help the battered wife until she makes the difficult decision to remove herself from the negative influences in her life....mainly her uber-violent husband.
Moreover, if that woman decides to take the law into her own hands and kills the abusive husband...guess what? She's going to jail (maybe not the chair, but she's going to jail).
And, no, I'm NOT defending abusive husbands.
Love,
JM
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Posted By: jokoparadise @ 01/21/2009 11:03:15 PM
oh yeah HAMAS next will hid under Zionist, so IDF would like to kill every zionist ok..
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Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/22/2009 7:29:25 AM
Anybody who uses the word "Zionist" has 0 credibiltiy.
Love,
JM
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Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 01/22/2009 6:54:38 AM
Why they made civilans house trenches,
why they targeted civilans including childern,
Hamas is sensless,
and Israel is blind.
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Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 01/22/2009 6:47:41 AM
Hamas and Israel,
both are responsible for civilans killings
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Posted By: DavidBaltimore @ 01/21/2009 8:54:40 PM
Israel did not lose, nor did it win either. It simply wants constant warfare with its neighbors and in the region. Of course, they prefer if others (i.e. USA) does the fighting for them. First it was Iraq (two times), then Iran, then somebody else...in the meantime American GI's keep on dying and American dollars keep on flowing out. Let's see when the people of this country will wake up and realize the huge cost of its unconditional support of Israel. Then, we will truly see if Israel has done good or bad to itself with this policy of constant war with its neighbors, when they will have to do their own fighting, alone.
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Posted By: Barnesms @ 01/22/2009 6:34:17 AM
I wonder how long you and any other people on the face of the earth would tolerate living next to a people that blatantly screams their desire to kill you, your families, your culture, your language, everything? That blindly sends children as suicide bombers into your land, that shoots rockets daily into your backyard. Yes, I am sure you would just passively sit there striving to diplomatically negotiate your own murder. This is naive stupidity at its worst.
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Posted By: researchok @ 01/21/2009 9:00:14 PM
Peace in the region is easily attainable. For decades the EU, UN, Quartet, etc., have all made clear that peace in the Middle East is predicated on 3 things.
1. Cessation of terror.
2. Diplomatic recognition of Israel.
3. Secure and defensible borders.
Which of those things are too onerous a burden for the Palestinians?
If the Palestinians wanted a state, they could have had one. Instead, they have chosen NOT to have a state.
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Posted By: DavidBaltimore @ 01/21/2009 9:08:51 PM
mouthpiece! you, mouthpiece!
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Posted By: Barnesms @ 01/22/2009 6:30:49 AM
That is your answer...calling him a mouthpiece. What is so wrong with accepting the state of Israel? Or giving up terrorism? Or allowing both Israel and Palestine defensible borders? You show your own ignoble desires by repeating such ignorant propaganda as "mouthpiece". When you hear the truth in these simple questions, you close your eyes, put your head in the sand, and support the killing of innocent people.
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Posted By: DavidBaltimore @ 01/21/2009 8:43:41 PM
Oh, let me also remind some of the consequences of this war. Our beloved Obama now has a big mess in his hands. Will he do something to address this unbalanced, unjust war against a people who have been living like slaves for more than 50 years?
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Posted By: joe_mama @ 01/21/2009 9:23:17 PM
You're right, Obama does have a mess on his hands. Particularly since Israel was given the green light to do whatever they wished by the Bush Administration.
I'm sure you probably forgot that, during his first campaign against Al Gore, Bush criticized the Clinton administration for being to close to the situation (i.e. trying to get the Palestinians an equitable solution) and that the two sides should solve their own problems. A few months later Ariel Sharon goes to the Temple Mount and yet another infitada breaks out,. Did Ariel Sharon have the right to visit such a controversial site? Of coure he did, but he knew what he represented to the Palestinian people, and he knew exactly how they would react.
But I digress, if you doubt Obama's commitment to peace or fear he will reissue the blank check given to Israel by the previous administration, consider this:
Israel's UNILATERAL cease fire came just 3 DAYS BEFORE the inaugeration.
Coincidence? I think not.
Love,
JM
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Posted By: RavLerner @ 01/21/2009 9:09:37 PM
Excellent article - this is the great dilemma: how does one morally fight against terrorist who love to kill Israelis and Jews, but seem to equally love their own deaths and that of their own people? Israel is confronting a new ethical quandry that Europe, Asia, America and the rest of the world will have to confront soon enough.
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Posted By: DavidBaltimore @ 01/21/2009 9:13:43 PM
Israeli answer to this was simple: Kill more of their people, more then the people can tolerate, and maybe they will stop...we have a lot to learn from Israel indeed!
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Posted By: RavLerner @ 01/21/2009 9:12:29 PM
Excellent article -- this is the ethical dilemma: how does one fight terrorist who love to kill you, but seem to love to kill themselves and their own people equally. Israel is confronting a new quandary that Europe, Asia, America and the rest of the world will have to confront soon enough....
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