Hamas and Its Discontents

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  • Posted By: peaceb2u @ 01/20/2009 11:50:39 PM

    First one must address the question what triggered this war/agression? This is where once again I find the UN wanting as a peace mediator. Recently Ban Kee Moon was seen inspecting the Gaza strip for assessment of the damage done. His comments about Israeli aggression seem to be playing into the hands of Hamas as being the aggrieved party. Leadership here calls for tough a stance but must start with getting the fundamentals right. I believe Israel has the right to exist as a nation and in peace with its neighbours. This is where mediation and leadership is wanting.

    • Posted By: shekissesfrogs @ 01/21/2009 6:27:57 AM

      Perhaps Israel has the obligation to live peacefully and recognize that they have disposed and routed the native population into permanent interment camps, and has kept them living in deplorable conditions for far too long. They should have to declare that Palestinians have as much right, or even more to live in their homeland as the occupiers do.

  • Posted By: webswwauthor @ 01/21/2009 3:01:14 AM

    I don't really have a side in the long running argument re Israel/Palestinians. But one thing that I do note is that the Arabs remind me of the boy who brutally murders his parents, and then asks the court for mercy and leniency because he is an orphan. It seems to me that the Arabs and Palestinians create the problem and then when they get whacked, as they always seem to do, plead for mercy.

    The other thing I've wondered about is why they blames the jews or Israelites. It seems like they can't get along with anybody anywhere. They blow up people in Bali. They kill Russians in Chechnya. They've killed millions of Christians in Africa. They want to blow away Hindus in India. China is having a problem with them. They've blown up trains in Spain. They've tried to poison the subways in Britain. It makes me really believe that they are just nuts! Sick people. It makes me think that despite protestations, the religion is anti-social at best, and more likely, sociopathic and dangerous.

    • Posted By: shekissesfrogs @ 01/21/2009 6:12:34 AM

      blame the victims. Who are the oppressors and where did they come from? Are you aware that Brian promised the historical residents of the palestinian territory their own state if they would fight against the ottomans? Then Britain gave most of it to israel. They did this to the Armenians and Kurds as well. Research the founders of secular Zionism, and they worship of the gun; Trotsky, Jabotinsky, Theodor Herzl, their writings, Lehi, Stern gang, the haggana, their assassinations and terrorist attacks, The young turks. Someday,Gentiles will be the target,... again.

  • Posted By: shekissesfrogs @ 01/21/2009 5:44:22 AM

    Kassams are largely symbolic, and they don't amount to more that a princess and the pea nuisance. This was about since seizing war before peace broke out and they had to give up territory illegally seized. Since 2002, Israel has killed 2,700 Palestinians in Gaza alone, compared to less than a dozen israelis killed by kassams. They've also had 4000 traffic deaths.. Before their mass punishment blockade on gaza after hamas won the election, they were doing the same thing to fatah inn the west bank, which is willing to act as a puppet, where as Hamas won't.
    Israel has a mafia problem, and result in way more deaths and injuries result from mob bombings and hits than from Kassams. Guess what folks? Our s ecial relationship with Israel opens up door and rolls out the welcome mat for them. The ADL of B'nai B'rith pressures OUR police agencies to take it easy on their kinsmen in the Jewish crime gangs, claiming that any publicity associated with investigations or arrests would "foster anti-Semitism" and lead the Gentile public to protest against the continued influx of Jewish gangsters into the United States. According to NY policemen, if they had a choice, they much prefer the Italians, as make single hits, but the jewish mob will kill the whole family.
    Even their lebanese blood bath seen as a emasculating loss, they assign the blame on the UN. "The UN Failure in Lebanon" http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/talking/49_unifil.html
    The truth about Israel breaking this peace on Nov 4 isn't hard to find if you are really interested in the truth.
    Here's a good place for historical news, from both sides, but don't neglect reading " The Iron Wall" http://www.marxists.de/middleast/ironwall/ironwall.htm Keep in mind their motto: By deception thou shalt make war.
    Don't believe any pro-war, pro-Israel second hand sources.
    http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0111c&L=paldev&O=A&H=0&D=0&T=0

  • Posted By: skareti @ 01/21/2009 5:41:15 AM

    The whole idea of creating a land for the jews in the middle of several muslim nations is a scam.

  • Posted By: dayne62 @ 01/21/2009 4:13:22 AM

    Peace, i see no peace here, Peace will be achieved when Israel hits them with a low level nuclear detonation. Then and only then will peace be achieved, ideology is across the board in Palestine . Gaza better get there priorities straightened out, or i should say there heads because peace is only a Stone Throw Away!!!

  • Posted By: FrostbyteFalls @ 01/21/2009 3:47:08 AM

    Good strategy Hamas. Fire puny little missiles into Israel for years to finally provoke an attack, then run to the hospitals and schools and shoot at the Israelis so that you can claim that they're slaughtering non-combatants when they fry you. Of course the Israelis are too dumb to video tape all this, right? I'm really impressed. What is this? A "Who can be the most stupid in Gaza?" contest? No, there's method to their madness, the Arab media is ignoring all the facts and trumpeting the Hamas party line, maybe voluntarily or maybe under duress from their governments. They need the support from the rich Moslim nations and this is how they mean to get it. Do you think that the papers and news meida in Tehran are carry stories about how the Israelis are slaughtering civilians or about how the Militants use their own neighbors as human shields, which?

  • Posted By: FrostbyteFalls @ 01/21/2009 3:43:24 AM

    Good strategy Hamas. Fire puny little missiles into Israel for years to finally provoke an attack, then run to the hospitals and schools and shoot at the Israelis so that you can claim that they're slaughtering non-combatants when they fry you. I'm really impressed. What is this? A "Who can be the most stupid in Gaza?" contest? No, there's method to their madness, the Arab media is ignoring all the facts and trumpeting the Hamas party line, maybe voluntarily or maybe under duress from their governments. They need the support from the rich Moslim nations and this is how they mean to get it. Do you think that the papers and news meida in Tehran are carry stories about how the Israelis are slaughtering civilians or about how the Militants use their own neighbors as human shields, which?

  • Posted By: pgadia @ 01/21/2009 3:39:54 AM

    Hamas organization,Hizbollah, and those terror groups are cancer to peace in the Middle East, feeds by the Iranians and Muslims who want to control the world with their twisted, brainwashing, Islamic root of intolerance and arrogance, thatt think their religion is sacred next to no one, but only evil and disrespect in it's core.

  • Posted By: Cow Doctor @ 01/21/2009 3:35:46 AM

    Hamas is responsible. They could save their people by not launching thousands of rockets into Israel, investing in their society through building, education, teach peace as a goal, dialoguing with Israel and showing that they are good citizens and responsible leaders of a future country.
    Another responsible party, more devious since they hide behind the high moral ground of "helping regugees" is UNRWA. In the last 100 years there have been multiple millions of refugees from all sorts of wars etc. All, (including my parents), have been helped to re-locate and get on with their lives. UNRWA was established specifically for the Palestinian situation after 1948. Instead of helping re-settle these poor people, they have kept them under refugee status for 60 years turning the whole people into victims of misery and hate and death...... collateral damage if you will of UNRWA's political agenda.

  • Posted By: Cow Doctor @ 01/21/2009 3:32:24 AM

    Hamas is responsible. They could save their people by not launching thousands of rockets into Israel, investing in their society through building, education, teach peace as a goal, dialoguing with Israel and showing that they are good citizens and responsible leaders of a future country.
    Another responsible party, more devious since they hide behind the high moral ground of "helping regugees" is UNRWA. In the last 100 years there have been multiple millions of refugees from all sorts of wars etc. All, (including my parents), have been helped to re-locate and get on with their lives. UNRWA was established specifically for the Palestinian situation after 1948. Instead of helping re-settle these poor people, they have kept them under refugee status for 60 years turning the whole people into victims of misery and hate and death...... collateral damage if you will of UNRWA's political agenda.

  • Posted By: FaithHope2 @ 01/21/2009 3:06:35 AM

    "Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.??? Matthew 5:4

  • Posted By: FaithHope2 @ 01/21/2009 3:03:24 AM

    "Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.??? Matthew 5:4

  • Posted By: webswwauthor @ 01/21/2009 3:00:59 AM

    I don't really have a side in the long running argument re Israel/Palestinians. But one thing that I do note is that the Arabs remind me of the boy who brutally murders his parents, and then asks the court for mercy and leniency because he is an orphan. It seems to me that the Arabs and Palestinians create the problem and then when they get whacked, as they always seem to do, plead for mercy.

    The other thing I've wondered about is why they blames the jews or Israelites. It seems like they can't get along with anybody anywhere. They blow up people in Bali. They kill Russians in Chechnya. They've killed millions of Christians in Africa. They want to blow away Hindus in India. China is having a problem with them. They've blown up trains in Spain. They've tried to poison the subways in Britain. It makes me really believe that they are just nuts! Sick people. It makes me think that despite protestations, the religion is anti-social at best, and more likely, sociopathic and dangerous.

  • Posted By: FaithHope @ 01/21/2009 3:00:31 AM

    "Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.??? Matthew 5:4

  • Posted By: demsrdumb @ 01/21/2009 2:53:54 AM

    The Palistinians are responsible, just as they are responsible for deaths of innocent civilians in Israel. If these animals would spend half as much time trying to better their lives as they do trying to destroy Israel they might make something of themselves.

  • Posted By: burf @ 01/21/2009 12:32:56 AM

    Wow... it's kind of amazing to actually read a news report, that has some basis in fact, as opposed to most reports that just parrot Hamas propaganda.
    While I'm sure there were some mistakes by Israel, that's what happens in war, I know the extent Israel goes to, to minimize civilian casualties. The double-standard is breathtaking, in how Israel always is judged to a higher standard, than anyone else in the world.

    • Posted By: sanctuaryvb @ 01/21/2009 2:51:08 AM

      I don't know what country you live in burf, but in the US one rarely hears anything positive about the Palestinians, and the US default position is pro-Israeli. I hope to God that changes with Obama. We need a truly fair, unbaised position that takes in account the aspirations of both peoples, and American interests should be our policy, not the policy of a foreign country named Israel.

  • Posted By: feline12 @ 01/21/2009 2:39:05 AM

    Isreal has a right to defend it's people and Hamas commited a act of war by sending rockets into Isreal. Hamas is to blame, they use their own people as shields, they have no shame. The UN should be pointing their fingers at Hamas and other such groups that take the lives or Isrealies and their own people on a daily basis.

  • Posted By: Doubting Thomas 218 @ 01/21/2009 1:29:00 AM

    Outstanding reporting. A people are resposible for their govenment. It is their duty to change it or live with the consequences. This is the wisdom of most western democracies that change the govenment regularly. Until we see these Islamist regimes regularly tossed out on their ears their people will only get the govenment that they deserve.

  • Posted By: Doubting Thomas @ 01/21/2009 1:27:50 AM

    Outstanding reporting. A people are resposible for their govenment. It is their duty to change it or live with the consequences. This is the wisdom of most western democracies that change the govenment regularly. Until we see these Islamist regimes regularly tossed out on their ears their people will only get the govenment that they deserve.

  • Posted By: jokoparadise @ 01/21/2009 12:59:05 AM

    the fact civilians, kids, and women is the primary target from israeli's attack, and Hamas's troops is the secondary after terroring Gazaseems like how Israel bommbing madrasah and civilians camps at Lebanon at 2006, cause Israel want to reach the larged land the hell of promissed land between Eufrat & Tigris, its the Israeli's change to do holocaust to palestine wehre they ever promise to do that holocaust. Israel only give one choice to Gaza dead or dead, so Hamas founded.

    If Israel using high accuration weapon, and high accuration to attacking and take Hamas down they can do it but its not the primary target of their attack. what ever Israel did is massacre, its the fact, if Hamas courted but Israel not, why afraid to Israel? its mean world under control by cruel people. what ever Hamas do is for freedom to open the embargo especialy Gaza' beach.

    and lets remember on this case, Jew have no problems with Gaza, but zionist is, cause the promised land its deiffernt jewish's promised land is where they can live full on peace and not need doing massacre seems like how zionist did.

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