The End of Torture

The intel wonks have done nothing to merit Obama's trust.
He is wise to avoid guidance from them.

Awesome. I've waited a long time for the return of sanity and the rule of law.

How different are we if we are no better than the one we detested. It must be very difficult for President Obama but I think the President had made the right decision. We don't fight evil with evil. The President had promised changes and it is time that the American People adapt to that changes. Lets make this world a better place. Slowly and surely, build the confidence the world's once had about the Americans.

Posted by : Soekratis

Now if you have evidence that these people are terrorist please share it.

I did not make the statement.....show me where 99% are innocent

That's all great scooter except that there is no evidence against 99% of those being held.


where do you get your information from?

scooters post at 2:08:26 makes some great points!!!!

Like I said,.. this is a tough one. One thing the average american has no idea about is the middle east mind set. I had 11 years exposure to it and learned a bit. Right after 9/11 one of thoughts was: How do we scare people that have no fear of death and see dying as an honor? I strongly believe aside from a Green Beret, Navy Seal, Marine, Special Forces or that extreme level of solider, the average solider or average american can relate to that mindset. Something extreme measure are needed.

Thi sis a tough one for anyone. having lived near the towers I am mixed. I saw the vulnerbility of those effected and many of the lives changed forever. Then again I have always believed to walk the walk and do the right thing, Then again ask yourself what would you do if you had a child murdered,.. would you take the high road? There are exceptions to every rule when it is pushed to the max. Never say never. As for amking them clean the highways,... how about everyone respecting where they live and not throw the trash out their windows. I see it everyday and am sad that many people and especially our youth has forgotten about basic manners and courtesy. We all to stop the me me me way of thinking.

BTW ... I am a Military Retiree and have been around the block a minute, so I'm not some ultra-liberal who sees only good in our adversaries.

I agree with you Scooter_Dude
Lets play the game by their rules and see how they like it.
Bush started to sink to their level but it upset most Americans cause of our upbringing and morals.
Also you would NEVER find any US Militaryman/woman using innocents as cover
Now I can't say I like what ol Dubyah did....but I did understand the need for tatics like that

The gitmo prisoners should be made to clean the America's highways and roadsides of ugly litter and plastic bottles that pollute our once beautiful country.Put them to work for the next 75 years, cleaning up what many Americans won't take the time to accomplish.Any way you look at it Torture is wrong. It goes against God's laws. We are worse than the terrorists if we allow humans to torture one another. President Obama knows that we must rise above this cruel and inhumane treatment of fellow humans.

I just read another story about Al Quaeda declaring that the US and great Britain will be punished over the Gaza offensive. Now you know these cowardly devils aren't going to go out and target a Marine unit, they are gonna plot to blow up a train or a subway or another civilian airliner, cause those are known as "soft" targets. These are the people we are talking about here folks, were the situation reversed, many of those clowns would lop off your head for being an "infidel". The problem with OBAMA and his crowd is that they are naive enough to think you can reason with maniacs. As far as I'm concerned. if it would save even one american life, you could set those bastards on fire. And by the way, I believe the Geneva Convention applies only to "lawful combatants" which these guys are not. Once you remove your uniforms and start hiding amongst the civilian populace using them as cover, you NO LONGER nare protected by the convention.

Fact of the matter is this. Let our new Leader do as he feels is necessary. I will back him up as long as my family is safe. I believe we are opening ourselves to more attacks (Pearl Harbor II....the sequel) and that we are sending out a message to the world that we just want to be friends. I don't have a problem with that. Lord knows that N.Korea would love to take a "whack" at us and Afgahnistan as well. And if they do....so be it. The nation has spoken, we need to just trust our Leadership. I leave you with this...The US has participated in many conflicts, but 9 times out of 10, we have been tasked to do so by the UN since we are known to them as the POLICE of the WORLD. Don't blame it all on one guy. Ghandi was known to be a pacifist, and maybe that is how the US should go....as a Marter...and a pacifist....we..the people have spoken.

Here's what extreme liberals refuse to understand:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

War, and the conduct of war, just ain't pretty. Never was. Never will be.

So, while I'm not for ripping arms out of sockets and that type of stuff, like the North Vietnamese did to John McCain, but "stressing" terrorists who would just as soon saw off your head (does anyone remember an American named Nick Berg?) as look at you to get them to talk? Let me pass you the waterboard.....

Torture and "enhanced interrogation" is wrong, but it seems very foolhardy of Obama to immediatley shut down Gitmo without a clear back-up plan. It would appear he is just grandstanding for the press and his supporters.

Close Gitmo? OK, and then do what with the terrorists there? Set them free? Bad idea. Put them into prisons in the U.S.? Where they can spread their hatred of all things American to other disgruntled, emotionally-tainted criminals? Not smart, boys, not smart. OK, well then let's put them in solitary confinement where they can't interact with anyone. OK, do you realize that all you did then was essentially play a big shell game of "move the terrorists"? I mean there's progress and then there's the illusion of progress....

Any of you smart Democrat types want to tell me and the rest of the world how ordering Gitmo to close before we figure out what to do with them is a good idea?

The concept that we should do what the "bad" guys do it so phony and stupid it doesn't deserve a response. Doing what they do is why we oppose them, idiot! In fact, in Iraq, the Iraqi's did play by the rules. Remember how they treated the captured people? According to the Geneva Convention. It's a damn shame our people weren't as honorable! If you become what you're fighting, then why are you fighting? Shame on you, try THINKING a bit before you post.