The End of Swagger

The welfare of women should be a key component of American foreign policy. And we've got the woman to make that happen.

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  • Posted By: Chimera 118 @ 04/28/2009 2:55:56 PM

    umm hes got a point. Women have every right that men do, what you lack is the ability to act on that. Its your fault that there are not as many women in congress. Any girl can, you can do what you want. But blaming men because you are not smart enough at act on your own laws is just cowardice. So look at it the right way. You have everything you need, all you need to do is do something about it. And when Anna says that there is not a country on earth that does not know of her greatness, she is full of ***. AS i recall hilary's health plan. Give 5,000 to every child born in the united states. OK it will take about 3 weeks to significantly lower the dow jones industrial average. This woman has no damn clue how an economy works. And hilary has no greatness, and if she did, she would be president.

  • Posted By: Maryann41076 @ 02/11/2009 3:01:41 PM

    His response speaks for itself, I needn't say more. I bet he's got pin-ups of that ignoramus Sarah Palin all over his parents' basement.

  • Posted By: Maryann41076 @ 02/10/2009 4:49:40 PM

    Floridave is a moron. If you think most women actually want to work in strip clubs--forget for a second any possible history of emotional, physical, mental or sexual abuse that got them there--you are obviously telling yourself this so you can feel good about frequenting those establishments. Your ignorant and uneducated comment is exactly the mentality that creates dangerous environments for often uneducated, poor or abused women. Not all women, but most. Talk to me when you've actually interviewed the strippers about their family histories and upbringings, rather than watching them with your tongue hanging out.

  • Posted By: Maryann41076 @ 02/10/2009 4:49:27 PM

    Floridave is a moron. If you think most women actually want to work in strip clubs--forget for a second any possible history of emotional, physical, mental or sexual abuse that got them there--you are obviously telling yourself this so you can feel good about frequenting those establishments. Your ignorant and uneducated comment is exactly the mentality that creates dangerous environments for often uneducated, poor or abused women. Not all women, but most. Talk to me when you've actually interviewed the strippers about their family histories and upbringings, rather than watching them with your tongue hanging out.

  • Posted By: zipps @ 02/07/2009 7:49:53 AM

    Wow, the tought of women in power, Hillary or otherwise, sure gets people's blood boiling. Let's leave war, abortion, cultural norms and all that stuff out of the picture for just one moment. Let's think about this on a real basic level. Men run the world. Men make the rules. Men have the power. Women don't have "equal rights" in any country, because the rules, terms, and definitions are all created and managed by those in power - men. We cannot have equal opportunity or equal rights until we power and position. Voice is not enough. We need power. We need to be a part of the structure. If you look around this world and say, "yep, we're doing just fine." Then go ahead, let the status quo reign. But if you think things need improvement. If you think injustice has too much hold on our world, then maybe we need to change the rules. No, our culture should not be imposed on the world.

    Our culture constantly devalues women. Why else is the United States DEAD LAST of all industrialized nations (175) in maternity leave? Youwant to reduce the number of abortions, right wingers? How about valuing motherhood. Because my daughter was born in the United States, and not any of the EU countries, her mother was deprived of any paid maternity leave. Had she been born in the EU, I would have been guaranteed 14 weeks paid leave (the EU is pushing to up that to 18 weeks) and been able to take off from my job for up to a year. Don't you think many women abort babies because they can't afford to take time off of work to have a family? Now do you get it? Women are DISADVANTAGED BY THE RULES. The feminist movement in Europe took a different, more family oriented stance, than the US movement did and that's why they have those rights. They fought for them. They made new rules. Study after study shows that kids need that kind of motherly attention from birth to prosper in later years. So, not only are our women disadvantaged but our CHILDREN are seriously disadvantaged because of the rules made by men. Time for a change - hell yes.

  • Posted By: TX_Cari @ 02/03/2009 3:49:39 PM

    Dave, maybe you just have selective hearing. Every outfit put on the Obamas, including their children, has been detailed down to the socks where or who made it and how much it cost. The JCrew website was literally crashed when people heard the dresses the girls had on at the inauguration were from there. Maybe its just that a dress that costs $148.00 isn't quite as sensational as a 150K shopping spree by a "hockey mom".

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 01/26/2009 4:53:47 PM

    Whatever you do, don't start a deal where women strap explosives to themselves and set them off in a crowd in an effort to go to heaven and have 92 studs. It doesn't work for al queada and it won't work for women. This advice is free of charge.

    • Posted By: olderwiser @ 01/26/2009 4:57:18 PM

      I neglected to mention that al qaeda was doing that to find 92 virgins. The male version of the same thing. There is medal for this kind of conduct. It hangs around your neck and has the word "stupid" printed in the middle.

      • Posted By: olderwiser @ 01/26/2009 4:58:12 PM

        Most policy based in gender comes to grief, anyway.

        • Posted By: jimgreen @ 01/26/2009 5:10:27 PM

          Just like the US uses female pilots to drop bombs on civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. I agree women should not be allowed to fight wars. The Bible says so.

          • Posted By: Racerkoi @ 01/29/2009 6:51:09 AM


            I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

            A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

            Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

            Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

            I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

            My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

          • Posted By: Racerkoi @ 01/29/2009 6:50:11 AM




            When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

            When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

            I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

            I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

            Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

  • Posted By: nvlsim @ 01/29/2009 6:06:53 AM

    I meant to say"...a wonderful oxymoron--palin/accomplishments--so good it should be on billboards that advocate education in America."

    ant to say "

  • Posted By: jimgreen @ 01/26/2009 1:19:45 PM

    This article is interesting, though deeply flawed. The bible clearly teaches that Man is lord and master of Woman. In a Christian nation like America, it is unconscionable to press for "women's rights" and other fake issues.

    • Posted By: Racerkoi @ 01/29/2009 6:02:29 AM

      And you know this because it is written onthe walls of your cave...

  • Posted By: nvlsim @ 01/29/2009 5:25:27 AM

    This blogger below(something dave?) juxtaposes 2 words--Palin and accomplishments! ! Really, he di!d! What a hoot! So, Dave, do you mean her ability to rip off a $200,000 wardrobe from theRNC and her ability to winki as she displays appalling ignorance on primetime tv? or do you mean her flashy pair of legs that American he-men go gaga over? These may be "accomplishments",,but I'd prefer for my daughter a "role-model" who can speak grammatical ly correct sentences in her native tongue and can demonstrate her ability to read (as in the ability to name a newspaper?).

    But thank you for giving us a wonderful oxymoron--palin/accomplishments-- so good it should be on billboards:)

  • Posted By: Vladimir Enlow @ 01/25/2009 8:58:41 PM

    I sincerely doubt HRC will be the force for change Quindlen anticipates. She has always impressed me as venal, self-serving, and opportunistic. In other words, she's like most politicians, only she has a uterus. Look at the way she handled her campaign the last year. She didn't care if she ripped her party asunder, so long as she got the nomination.

    This is a woman who will smile in your face while stabbing you in the back, and pi55 on your grave when it's all done. While people like this make great diplomats, they make lousy human beings.

    Expect her to talk a good game about human rights in general and women???s rights in particular so long as it makes her look good. Then she???ll backpedal towards a ???sensible??? compromise that sells out everybody but herself.

    In short, HRC may be just as gutsy as the Liberian activists Quindlen referenced, but she has none of their integrity.

    • Posted By: Endymeyon2009 @ 01/27/2009 7:38:15 PM

      "She didn't care if she ripped her party asunder, so long as she got the nomination".. I did not like the way she carried her campaign in that area. In the beginning I was torn between her and now President Obama in the primaries.; however I started paying close attention to her words & mannerism and I felt she would do anything negatively to get the nod. Then of course I saw how she seemed eagar to crucify her own party. That bothered me. I then voted for Mr. Obama. I hope she makes a very good Secretary of State; however I am sceptical..

  • Posted By: good conscience @ 01/27/2009 1:54:45 PM

    Wow, look at what happens when you mention the name of HRC. So she's controversial. I personally think that she is now in the best position to manifest her experience, power and wisdom. For awhile there after she lost the party's nomination, she seemed to be flailing a bit. But the appointment as SOS is a good one, and I think it was very smart on the president's part. Everyone should flourish now. I'll say it again, even if I've said it several hundred times already: People, can we just sit back and shut up for a few minutes, and give everyone who is part of the new administration a chance to prove themselves? If you have the courage to go back a read your posts (and find that you're making such dolts of yourselves) then you deserve to feel some shame and embarassment. Why do you think that Clinton and Obama are where they are, and you're not? Hmmmm?

  • Posted By: varacefan @ 01/27/2009 11:21:17 AM

    A real feel good article. Don't believe a word of it but it did make me feel better.

  • Posted By: nvlsim @ 01/27/2009 2:06:05 AM

    Excellent! Someone finally had the courage to say it bigtime--Thank you Anna:) I too saw "Pray the Devil Back to Hell" and had the exact same response to it you have, and told all my friends. If Clinton/Obama/Holbrook employ this philosophy in Afghanistan & Pakistan, we'll accomplish so much more than by sending in more troops. I mean address the economic issues & the corrupt Karzai government issues, the opium issue, etc. by meeting with women, listening to women, and getting women involved in solutions such as small business enterprises, and of course educating women...Thank you...

  • Posted By: jagdevu @ 01/27/2009 12:07:03 AM

    Anna,
    If you read this, I hope you'll re-visit an article you wrote in the immediate aftermath of the 2004 DNC ... how your cheeks became wet with tears of joy as you listened alone in your home to Obama's address, speaking against the simple divisions that (Republican) politicians would use to divide people from people. And yet, your articles (unintentionally, perhaps) have begun to reflect that psychology. I wish you'd re-discover that better angel of your nature ... somehow, you must be conditioned against Her. The advancement of a group (even if -- or especially if -- that group is 1/2 the populace) as the way to advance People is the exact backwards message of Obama. Stop this day and take pause from your love of Hillary Clinton. You are a writer ... you've not been as good since you became too-wedded to your need to see a female POTUS. You've practically treated Obama -- who espouses many of your values -- as Voldemort (He-whose-name-we-dare-not-say) for the last 2 years. This article is the most I've seen him acknowledged by you, and it seems that you could do so because you were speaking of he and Hillary as a team.
    Try this logic exercise to exorcize the disappointment of Ms. Clinton's loss in the primaries: 1) Those who wanted HRC to win wanted to see her WIN it -- i.e., not have it be handed to her. Even in the time when she seemed pre-ordained, no supporter wanted to see that coronation happen any other way than through the route of her winning primaries -- and the satisfaction of seeing her win it amongst a talented field. 2) A talented field did gather. 3) Worse than losing the primary contest would be the unshakable stain of selection through channels other than really winning -- a terrible footnote for the 1st female top-of-the-ticket or future POTUS. 4) Though the contest was close, numbers are stubborn things. 5) Let it go, and just try indulging in the feeling you felt seeing a bright future back in 2004, when times were dimmed by Bush/Cheney/Rove. And let go the attitude of the congratulations of a mom to a precocious child. It took more than a child to kick political ass the way Obama did. It took a Man (I don' mean it took that gender, I mean stop treating him like a boy).

  • Posted By: jagdevu @ 01/27/2009 12:06:36 AM

    Anna,
    If you read this, I hope you'll re-visit an article you wrote in the immediate aftermath of the 2004 DNC ... how your cheeks became wet with tears of joy as you listened alone in your home to Obama's address, speaking against the simple divisions that (Republican) politicians would use to divide people from people. And yet, your articles (unintentionally, perhaps) have begun to reflect that psychology. I wish you'd re-discover that better angel of your nature ... somehow, you must be conditioned against Her. The advancement of a group (even if -- or especially if -- that group is 1/2 the populace) as the way to advance People is the exact backwards message of Obama. Stop this day and take pause from your love of Hillary Clinton. You are a writer ... you've not been as good since you became too-wedded to your need to see a female POTUS. You've practically treated Obama -- who espouses many of your values -- as Voldemort (He-whose-name-we-dare-not-say) for the last 2 years. This article is the most I've seen him acknowledged by you, and it seems that you could do so because you were speaking of he and Hillary as a team.
    Try this logic exercise to exorcize the disappointment of Ms. Clinton's loss in the primaries: 1) Those who wanted HRC to win wanted to see her WIN it -- i.e., not have it be handed to her. Even in the time when she seemed pre-ordained, no supporter wanted to see that coronation happen any other way than through the route of her winning primaries -- and the satisfaction of seeing her win it amongst a talented field. 2) A talented field did gather. 3) Worse than losing the primary contest would be the unshakable stain of selection through channels other than really winning -- a terrible footnote for the 1st female top-of-the-ticket or future POTUS. 4) Though the contest was close, numbers are stubborn things. 5) Let it go, and just try indulging in the feeling you felt seeing a bright future back in 2004, when times were dimmed by Bush/Cheney/Rove. And let go the attitude of the congratulations of a mom to a precocious child. It took more than a child to kick political ass the way Obama did. It took a Man (I don' mean it took that gender, I mean stop treating him like a boy).

  • Posted By: jeanrenoir @ 01/26/2009 11:04:46 PM

    The test for Hillary's foreign policy "for women," since she's been AIPAC's favorite Democrat for the last few years, is whether she'll be able to protect innocent Palestinian women and children--as well as innocent Iranian women and children--from being killed by Israel. Working for women's "freedom" is easy enough compared to standing up to Israel for the sake of saving women and children's lives.

  • Posted By: darincoveyjc@cox.net @ 01/26/2009 1:22:15 AM

    I posted 12 days ago that I was absolutely positive Caroline Kennedy would not be chosen as the NY Senator.
    Now listen up, I am absolutely positive Hillary will resign as Sec-State within 2 years, positive !

    • Posted By: Getitout @ 01/26/2009 7:02:11 PM

      Correct that if President Obama doesn't go before she does. Then I'll guess she'll hang
      around. A conflict of interest will be between Obama, and Hillary on who's foreign policy is best suited for the country. After that things going to go down very quick.

  • Posted By: jandmamck @ 01/26/2009 2:04:33 PM

    Why cannot the USA and other nations understand that OUR culture should not be imposed on others.
    When will we "get it" that when some other nations view parts of our so called culture which includes some of the most appaling crimes on top of Hollywood *** laden movies and yes, people using vile and demeaning words and comments, just do not want our version of civilization. Add to that the disgraced elected political figures and Wall street gurus. Indeed some other nations should change for the betterment of their peoples but change for "our way", thanks but no thanks, that is their message to us. Will we ever "get it"?

    • Posted By: AmericanMan63 @ 01/26/2009 5:23:18 PM

      Didn't you realize that "insert country/belief here" is the prototype of all civilization and everyone should conform to "insert country/belief here" or be cast down as "insert negative label here"?

  • Posted By: boyydz @ 01/26/2009 3:19:15 PM

    Talk about your oversimplifications: treat the women well, and the rest will follow. I'm sorry to inform Ms. Quindlen that there are other issues that affect world politics besides gender. There are probably at least 87 other issues that are more critical to foreign policy besides this one. I'm not saying that I don't favor it - I do - but perhaps terrorism and the Israeli-Palestinian might need to be a little bit more of the focus (to name two)?

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