It’s Really a Global Crisis

As Americans save more of their incomes, Asians should save less, and spend more, to generate growth as opposed to exports.

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  • Posted By: martialguy @ 02/07/2009 11:00:24 PM

    It is time for Asian countries to encourage government spending, domestic investment, domestic consumption to increase GDP. Doing so also helps stablizing the world income and economy by helping other nations' export; which in turns will ultimately raise all countries' export . United we prosper; divided we falter. China alone has 2000 billions of dollars of foreign reserve
    ( compared with 70 billions for the US) to do that.

    Asian countries are in an advantageous economic position. Proof is below:

    Economists use purchase-power-parity adjusted GDP ( Not exchange-rated GDP or nominal GDP) as one realistic indicator to compare national economies. It is simply because a Big Mac (or cost of living for that matter) could cost, for instance, 3 times in NY compared with that in Beijing in a specific currency.

    To truly compare three current (2008) largest national GDP, we need to look at several indicators:

    Current 2008 Purchase-power-parity adjusted GDP (top 3 countries; in trillions of dollars): US 14 / China 8 / Japan 4.5
    (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html)

    PPP GDP 2013 projection (in trillions of dollars): US 17 / China 14 / Japan 5
    ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_GDP_estimates_(PPP)

    Current export (in billions): US 1377 / China 1465 / Japan 777
    Current external debt ( in billions): US 12300 / China 400 / Japan 1500
    Current foreign reserve ( in billions): US 70/ China 2033/ Japan 954
    Stock of money ( in billions): US 1374 / China 2300 / Japan 4370
    Current deficit (-) or surplus (+) (in billions): US -568 / China +368 / Japan +188

    If we divide by a factor of billion; a more useful comparison goes like this:

    The US currently earns $14,000 (projected $17,000 in 2013) and shortfalls $568 a year; owes $12,300; and has $1,374 in the bank
    China earns $8,000 (projected $14,000 in 2013) and surpluses $368 a year; owes $400; and has $2,300 in bank
    Japan earns $4,500 (projected $5,000 in 2013) and surpluses $188 a year; owes $1,500; and has $4,370 in the bank


  • Posted By: severed2009 @ 01/28/2009 2:44:53 PM

    Pell Grants to college students enable them to go to school while working less or not at all. By thereby making their work hours available to others, the grants increase the number of available jobs by enabling present workers to withdraw from the labor market. From the standpoint of number of jobs and number of jobseekers, now out of balance, isn't it really the same thing?

    If we hired people to computerize the land records of the United States, this would create jobs and be an investment that pays off by decreasing the cost of title searches and title insurance by making title searchers more productive so that some of them would have to find other ways to earn a living after the computerization was up and running (we would hope that during this time the economy would improve so the ex-title searchers would be able to find employment).

    If we hired people to paint decorative murals on blank walls, this would create jobs and leave us with perhaps a more attractive environment.

    If we hired people to go to school (another way of looking at Pell Grants, I think - please tell me why if it isn't), we would create something for these people to do that would leave the country with a greater supply of workers with more supple minds, knowing more about how to learn and being better at it, and perhaps knowing something (such as preventing bedsores) potential employers (such as hospitals) would be able to use directly. Some people think that the US is setting the stage for its own decline by not making sure that enough investing of this sort is taking place.

  • Posted By: Rodger Hardy @ 01/28/2009 12:17:02 AM

    True, Pell Grants to college students do not create jobs, but have you considered how many students could join the ranks of the unemployed if forced out of school?

  • Posted By: Cosmic Antimatter @ 01/27/2009 11:28:07 AM

    Nationalize the sick, mammoth banks at least for next few years.. Credit will start flowing, Taxpayers will benifit. Stop hiding your head under sand and consider this option seriously. Also, get tough with China and other export driven countries ( dont know whether it is going to work, but sending strong signals is essential)

  • Posted By: Retiree60 @ 01/26/2009 2:39:05 PM

    HarroldWolf, I suppose I don't mind paying your mortgage for a few months any more than I mind giving more money to the banks but I don't like it much more either. Being an idiot, I worked all my life, mostly for one company, bought 4 houses because I had to move to stay employed, paid my bills, put money in my 401K, put some money in the bank, put my wife and son through college, bought and paid for too many cars to remember, all but 1 American cars. Now I'm retired on what pension the company didn't reduce, watching that 401K disappear and waiting to see what will be left after I pay whatever healthcare I may need to pay. The 90% or so of us who obeyed all the rules and lived within our means would like a break at this point too. Please don't spread my remaining wealth any more. It's getting pretty thin since i couldn't figure out a way to get rich legally.

    • Posted By: haroldwolf @ 01/27/2009 11:22:54 AM

      Hi Retiree60,

      I am not crazy about the bailout using taxpayer money at all. However just giving it to banks and brokerage firms isn't the answer. Money that doesn't flow through Joe the Consumer is money that is wasted. Maybe the mortgage payment idea isn't the best. How about private citizens get back 25% of the 2008 taxes they paid? The point is get the money into the hands of the consumers and the business will prosper as a side effect. Any plan that bails out business and not consumers is wasted taxpayer money.

  • Posted By: haroldwolf @ 01/26/2009 12:51:05 PM

    I believe crisis One and Two can be solved by changing the way the remainder of the $700 B bailout is spent plus how much of the proposed second round of bailout is spent.

    I believe that most people consider consumer spending a very big part of any future recovery. There are some indications that the first stimulus package under Bush helped but ultimately only delayed the current crisis.I suspect that is because $1200 is like spitting to put out a forest fire. Funneling $350 B into banks and brokerage has done little to nothing for the economy. More of the same is a waste of taxpayer money.

    Here is what I believe we should do. Stop bailing out banks directly. Let them get the money from the consumers, that's you and me, by paying down our mortgage and credit card debt. That remaining $350 B could be used to pay down every mortgage. Let's say there are 30 M home mortgages and the average 3 months of payments is $6000. That is $180 B or about 60% of the remaining first bailout. Don't count rental property exactly the same. The money for 3 months of rent needs to be funneled into the renters hands or possibly to the building owner if they issue a 3 month rent credit.

    I know if my mortgage was paid for 3 months I'd pay off some credit card debit and buy a few things for the house too. Meanwhile the bank gets $$$ from every mortgage and credit card payment. Retail sales will see a boost because Americans can't stop spending.

    The second stimulus package can focus on infrastructure repairs for roads, bridges and electrical distribution plus alternate energy projects such as wind turbine farms and clean burning coal plants. Depending on how the reminder of the bailout money jump starts consumer spending money may or may not need to be spent on another round of putting lots of money in the hand of the taxpayers.

    Trade issues are big and should be tackled separately from fixing crisis One and Two.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/27/2009 12:18:55 AM

      Suppose you spent this bailout to help paying few months of troubled mortgages - those poor souls still are not capable paying and will get behind again very soon. In few months we are in the same square one, only the difference is that tax paters were robbed (few thousand each) from they hard-earned money. People without debts have less money, are not willing to spend, let alone buying even highly underpriced houses, and recession in best-case scenariio continues or like 1930 - converts into Great Depression. This is your and, uinfortunately, Obama solution.
      Now look at another solution which just starting working but I am afraid will be negated by Obama. Look around, how many foreclosed or pre-foreclosed homes are on the market now for ridiculously low price. They were there for several months, several well-qualified people would have bought them, but... no mortgages were available, banks did not have free money. Banks must insure their loans (10%), but all they have is currently worthless mortgage bonds. These bonds probably cost 50% of their original price, but unless real-estate has stabilized - they cost zero. As soon as Paulson started lending money to banls - they slowly started giving loans (10 dollars per every received dollar), and people started buying houses, banks started getting their money back and lending again (10 dollars per 1!).. If Obama does not interfere - it will slowly revive real-estate without even extra $350 billion, economy will also recover and we will get back our $350 billion, probably with interest.
      I wish Congress get well-deserved break for 6 months and Obama pay attention only to foreign affair during this year, but their "help" is on the way

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 01/26/2009 6:40:22 PM

      Harold, what if I have already paid off my mortgage and have no credit card debt? How do I get some of this money?

      • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/26/2009 11:37:34 PM

        You will not. Even more, you will have to pay those greedy bastards who are not capable paying their debt.

  • Posted By: bighappy @ 01/26/2009 11:32:04 PM

    It was repeated so many times, it is like theorem now: spending "stimulus" pakages NeVER EVER worked. And now those idiots around "Obama the saviour" are still trying the same harmful remedy.
    Recovery has already started, even very slowly. Real-estate has rached the bottom, houses started selling in higher rate, after long decline. This is a direct result of those $350 billion which Paulsopn wisely ilended banks instead of wasting them on so-named toxic papers. Banks started giving mortgages, houses will soon have established value, and those "toxic" mortgage bonds will not be so "toxic" and worseless any more. With Obama 'help" this process will most likely hit the breaks.

  • Posted By: OWilde @ 01/26/2009 8:54:22 AM

    I'm continue to be shock by the fact that most journalists and experts are missing the main point: If we are where we are it is precisely because we, generally speaking, DO NOT PRODUCE, but SPEND. The common sense would tell you that an economy based mainly in spending is Unsustainable. The most troubling issue for me is that I do not see us going back to the time when we took pride in working and producing. The result is that -alas!- we are in the path to become a third world country, that is, one that depends not of producing and exporting, but of spending and importing. The situation, as I see it, is pretty hopleless.
    Francisco

    • Posted By: dancing dawn @ 01/26/2009 6:53:43 PM

      Regional economics based on regional goods and services. Check out the Transition Town Initiatives that started in the UK (TTT)

  • Posted By: peacetoyou @ 01/26/2009 11:52:46 AM

    This mess was here before Obama took over. He didn't make it. As the author said, a lot of it is out of Obama's hands, but he will do his best to try to turn aournd what he can. Have a little faith, will you? It wasn't Obama that was borrowing so much from the Chinese; he's only been President for a few days. It was Bush that borrowed all that money. It was republicans in charge for most of past eight years w/Repub Pres for eight years. It was Bush who favored deregulation.

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 01/26/2009 6:24:41 PM

      I agree but, nobody else here is listening. Maybe just selective hearing.

  • Posted By: Media Professor @ 01/26/2009 8:22:12 AM

    Here we go. Already making excuses for the "Messiah." The liberal media helped elect this guy, and now they'll spend his presidency making excuses for him. Just great! Another reason why so many media companies are losing viewers ad readership. They simply can no longer be trusted.

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 01/26/2009 6:19:57 PM

      Anybody here making any excuses for Bush? Sure, that's what the last eight years are all bout.

  • Posted By: hawkeye77 @ 01/26/2009 10:45:49 AM

    Isn't he "The One" who could fix this mess? Alas, "The One" is clueless when it comes to the economy and everything for that matter. Example, he signed EO to close GITMO without any clue on how to do it. It's like jumping into the lake without knowing how deep the water is. . He is clueless, that's why he has all these advisers telling him what to do. Five days on the job and already showing his lack of experience. Oh well, give him more time to screw up.

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 01/26/2009 6:11:37 PM

      He's been in office how many days now? Too soon for monday morning quarterbacking.

    • Posted By: mookpook @ 01/26/2009 11:17:22 AM

      Priceless!!

  • Posted By: CharlieWP @ 01/26/2009 4:48:14 PM

    Last week you said the cost of health care could sink our ship and this week it's the lack of savings. Here's an idea that could go a long way toward solving both problems:

    The Health Care You Want, and
    No Taxes, No Insurance Premiums

    Do you want more of the same? Then pay insurance premiums you can no longer afford, or let the government pay with your taxes, which will cost even more.

    No? Then we should change, to Health Care Savings Accounts, for everyone from birth. They should be like retirement accounts, except funded by regular automatic savings, like payroll deductions, and could be used only for health care. If you saved more than you would likely need you should be able to roll over the extra into your retirement account, so you would never lose any money. You should also be able to roll over money into your children's??? accounts. Of course, inheritance taxes would apply but these taxes on these accounts should be used to fund accounts for the poor and supplement accounts of those few with severe or chronic illness who were unable to save enough.

    In a few years enough would be saved that government would no longer need to fund health care and its roll could be limited to regulations to insure the money was safeguarded and properly spent; to control pharmaceutical company excesses, and insure the quality of care delivered.

    Health Care Savings Accounts would improve two major weaknesses in our economy, our lack of savings and the need for industry to fund health care, which reduces its ability to compete in the world market. Similar regularly funded retirement accounts for everyone would solve the Social Security problem. It would become unnecessary and could eventually be phased out.

    We will get what we want only if we pay for it ourselves. There is more to it, but if you grasp this concept, we can talk.

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 01/26/2009 6:03:14 PM

      Maybe I'm not grasping. But wouldn't that still mean that the wealthier are able to put more into those accounts; therefore, they are the ones who can afford more and better healthcare? Where I work we do have a pre-tax flex spending plan. An account to be used just for medical but it still all depends on how much you are able to put in each pay period. Those who make more are in a better position, financially, to contribute more. Of course, it is a use it or lose it system. Which is different than what you are proposing. Once again, it seems like 'those that have more get more." How does this help the lower or middle income people? Educate me.

  • Posted By: zweibieren @ 01/26/2009 5:09:31 PM

    The US Federal interest rate is almost zero. The EU just cut interest rates to 2%. My question is, in the face of a dearth of credit why peg interest rates so low. I myself am reluctant to lend money (that is, make bank deposits) when the interest rate is so paltry. Would not a *raise* in interests rates be conducive to expanded credit?

  • Posted By: Tea6 @ 01/26/2009 3:26:11 PM

    Germans save 11% of disposal income. You cannot say that they save four times more than Americans because they do not have a safety net. In fact they have a much more elaborate safety net than Americans.

    It is the mercantilist policies in Germany and Asia that suppress their domestic consumer spending and encourage growth by exports.

  • Posted By: lilruff99 @ 01/26/2009 12:27:56 PM

    You are correct harry, there is no silver bullet. i am an engineer. There are many angles to look at and I think we should all be vigilant as citizens, and watch them closely, learn the facts, and raise our voice when politicians become incompetent. How many on this blog called there congressman when Paulson gave 350 Billion out with no strings? I did! Everybody should not be expecting someone to bring them change on a silver platter. We should do our part in our communities and our lives to improve what we can. It was a very good article.

  • Posted By: lilruff99 @ 01/26/2009 12:07:52 PM

    I agree, this mess was culminating long before Obama took the office. ....even as far back as NAFTA, when hundreds of thousands of jobs left this country to help other countries and American businesses at the expense of American jobs and our economy. I want Obama to do well as we all do. But allowing further mistakes on top of already made mistakes, like Paulson giving 350 Billion to the finical industry without scrutiny is absurd. Continuing to borrow from the Asians without laying ground work, for them to do their part to boost the global economy would be irresponsible.

  • Posted By: WinstonSmith @ 01/26/2009 12:07:20 PM

    We need to rediscover the optimum balance between free market economics and vigilant government regulation. Eight years of GOP and Bush shut off the regulators. It was not Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi that cheered while derivatives became a $60 trillion bubble. It was not them who legislated the explosion of collaterized debt obligations which have now buried the lending industry. It was not them who neutered the SEC to the point where they refused to investigate a $50 billion fraud even when credible sources brought the evidence to their attention several times. I live in Texas, and what we've had is Texas' good ol' boy approach to government regulation on a national scale. I voted for Obama, but I cringe at the hype he has gotten, because hype brings inflated expectations.

    So, you free market types, if government intervention is not the answer right now, what is? One-sided tax cuts to inflate the deficit even further when we are still trying to finish Bush's wars? A hands-off approach so the banking industry can complete its total collapse? The ideology of a self-regulating free-market economy has failed. Markets do not self-regulate. Standard Oil proved this a century ago. The Depression proved it. The Depression was not the product of excessive government regulation, which was relatively non-existent in the 1920's. History 101: Private investment is needed for a high standard of living, and vigilant government regulation is needed to keep markets stable.

  • Posted By: chrisofvero @ 01/26/2009 12:01:45 PM

    Thanks for telling me the problems but what are the solutions? It seems there should be a criteria for Obama's handing out money. (1) If it goes to the banks it must be lent out to the citizenship not buying other assets (2) If the governement spends money it must be directly related to projects(roads, buildings, etc) that create the most jobs and the quickest (3) give business investment credits,etc to encourage them to spending money again for investment and hiring new positions and (4) give the people enough money (ie not $500) so that they will be encouraged to spend it on new items (maybe a $7500 credit to buy a house) or pay off debt. We must do these things before we take on health care, social security, the environment, immigration, etc because if we don't there will be no govenement left. Lastly, bring our men and women fighting iin Iraq home and if we need to keep them working givie them governement jobs working on our country's infrastructure.. God bless America and its people.

  • Posted By: paulte @ 01/26/2009 11:47:16 AM

    Obama will not solve the problem by throwing $825B at the economy after the govt just threw $700B at Wall Street! The real answer is for the government to do nothing at all and just let this thing play out by itself. The govt can be an answer of sorts but in this case, the govt will only make the problem worse with high deficit spending adding on to the national debt.

    The long term solution is for the govt to learn to live within its means, to keep taxes and govt spending low, to eliminate the national debt, to let failed companies go into bankruptcy. etc. We need to re-discover free market economics.

  • Posted By: rufftrader @ 01/26/2009 11:44:28 AM

    Give the Pres. A chance do his job. The negitive posts on here are largely made by illinformed blowhards who have no clue.

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