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  • Posted By: life2go @ 02/01/2009 7:52:53 AM

    Finally a decent response. And I read the other one on the other post. I don't think Bush would have had a leg to stand on about invading Iraq if it wasn't for 9-11. What you have failed to remember is I always agreed that we should not have went into Iraq (atleast not when we did). My point is that 9-11 opened a pandoras box of possibilities. My problem with Clinton (and why I keep bringin it up) is that SO many people make it sound like he had no responsiblity. If ya'll want Bush to stand tall and take responsibiltiy, all I'm saying is atleast admit Clinton screwed up. But you make it sound like Bush has held 110% of the blame for 9-11. Everything is connected.

  • Posted By: life2go @ 01/29/2009 7:07:48 AM

    Harley....let me get this right. {As for Bill Clinton, no it's not Ok, but I don't care what Clinton did, he did not send my son to war for OIL, that was BUSH, Iraq had NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attacks, it was a war of choice and PROFIT.}

    So you don't care that other Americans (military members and civilians) were dieing for oil and NOT DO anything about it for PROFIT (first WTC, Cole etc...)? Even you admit that Clinton chose not to get Osama because of the Prince and that it was all about OIL. And by making that choice he allowed Osama and his types to continue their destruction (9-11). But some how he bears no responsiblity? So answer me this, if 9-11 hadn't happened do you think we still would have gone into Iraq? I would have to say no.

    And it is a volunteer military (if your son's beliefs are anything like yours) then he could get out....nobody forced him to join, I'm sure even if he was in the Army before Iraq he has had to reenlist since then and he could have made a stand on his "principles" and gotten out.

  • Posted By: life2go @ 01/28/2009 7:10:16 PM

    "why was no action taken against them"...moron, dig a little deeper, there was a prince from the united arab emirates at the camp with Bin Laden, the choice was made NOT to bomb him, wrong chouice if you ask me, but we do get our OIL form them, they might be angry if we killed one of their kids...ya think...

    Oh so it is okay for Clinton to do NOTHING FOR OIL, but at the same time you claim that this whole WRONG WAR is all for OIL and that Bush is horrible....come on you can't have it both ways....
    And lets not forget how much money the Clintons have personally gotten all those oil rich countries in the last few years....geez a little extra for looking the other direction?

    As for "my mom" I don't have one, me and my dad use yours, and she is a dirty wh0re ;)
    Boy, sticks and stones....GROW UP!!!!!! IT IS NICE TO KNOW THAT YOU ATLEAST ADMIT TO BEING INBRED AND THAT YOU AND YOUR DAD HAVE TO SHARE THE SAME WOMAN (you really should leave your sister out of this)..... and trust me I know it's not my mom....she sure in the heck wouldn't have raised someone so fowl and ignorant.

    Try better next time....but I'm done with you. Not going to waste MY TIME.

  • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 10:48:00 AM

    "Posted By: brydges @ 01/28/2009 9:55:03 AMOnce again Doc your wrong and just plain stupid. Funny how the facts only matter to you when it serves your ego."

    So, that picture of Bush playing with Wills' guitar during the crisis never happened? LOL. Put some more tinfoil in your hat.

    • Posted By: brydges @ 01/28/2009 11:48:25 AM

      He could have went right to the disaster area and wasted police resorces on protecting him. He could have forced the mayor to call in the national guard earlier even though that would have overstepped his bounds as president. He could have some how made the democratic congress fund the levy system. He could have been at your side holding your hand telling you everything is ok. In short your a dillusional egomaniac.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 12:58:25 PM

        "He could have went right to the disaster area and wasted police resorces on protecting him."

        He could have gotten to work. You know, from the oval office, doing what he was supposed to be doing?

        Instead, he played dress up again, this time with a guitar.

        • Posted By: NewOrleansNative @ 01/28/2009 2:50:30 PM

          If you don't live here in New Orleans, you have no idea what truly happened here. Everyone knew what was coming, those of us with sense, got out. (And I don't make a lot of money, nor do I have a fancy SUV, I have a 19 year old van, but I still managed to leave. And FYI, quite a large number of those folks at the Superdome "drove' there. I have pictures from behind the dome of the scores of autos parked there. Why didn't they just drive on out? My philosophy is that if you choose to live 20 feet below sea level in a swampy flood plain, then you need to be aware of the consequences. And yes, the Governor and the Mayor carry a lot of the responsibility for the fiasco.

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 2:55:33 PM

            "My philosophy is that if you choose to live 20 feet below sea level in a swampy flood plain, then you need to be aware of the consequences. "

            And my philosophy is that the president should do his damn job.

            • Posted By: life2go @ 01/28/2009 4:47:57 PM

              so does he need to spoon feed you and change your panties too?

            • Posted By: life2go @ 01/28/2009 4:46:58 PM

              It is nice to hear someone that is willing to step up and say hey "personal responsibilty".

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 2:54:19 PM

            " I have a 19 year old van, but I still managed to leave. "

            And what of the people who had no vehicle at all?

            Oh, yeah, they don't count. Right?

      • Posted By: life2go @ 01/28/2009 12:51:36 PM

        Hey Brydges
        Your right if he had gone they would have complained and been all over him, probably complain that he was just grandstanding and of course like you said it would have pulled desperately needed resources from other areas. Lets just face it Bush couldn't have done anything right in some of these peoples eyes. And of course NOBODY else is responsible... Question is now that Bush is gone who are they going to blame all their problems on? Wait, I know, now that Obama is president the world is going to be perfect and everyone will be taken care of......

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 12:59:30 PM

          Your strawman arguments are hilarious, but it doesn't change the fact that Bush was playing dress up while an American city drowned.

  • Posted By: life2go @ 01/28/2009 4:42:27 PM

    Oh Harleyishere tell your mom you need your panties changed....

    NBC News has obtained, exclusively, extraordinary secret video, shot by the U.S. government. It illustrates an enormous opportunity the Clinton administration had to kill or capture bin Laden. Critics call it a missed opportunity.
    In the fall of 2000, in Afghanistan, unmanned, unarmed spy planes called Predators flew over known al-Qaida training camps. The pictures that were transmitted live to CIA headquarters show al-Qaida terrorists firing at targets, conducting military drills and then scattering on cue through the desert.
    The tape proves the Clinton administration was aggressively tracking al-Qaida a year before 9/11. But that also raises one enormous question: If the U.S. government had bin Laden and the camps in its sights in real time, why was no action taken against them?
    A Democratic member of the 9/11 commission says there was a larger issue: The Clinton administration treated bin Laden as a law enforcement problem.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/ read the whole story yourself....

    9-11 SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED and Clinton had years to do something about it.....but he probably was too busy making sure he could get his daily CIGAR!

    As far as firing Clinton fired them all because "he was already under investigation"

    "At the time, critics of the president linked the firing to an effort to stave off the prosecution of House Ways and Means Committee chairman Dan Rostenkowski.
    But the real truth became clearer as the scandal known as Whitewater unfolded.
    The real reason Clinton fired every U.S. attorney was to save himself, not Rostenkowski.
    As we now know, the U.S. attorney in Little Rock was closing in on Clinton for Whitewater-related matters and his and Hillary???s involvement in the defrauding of the Small Business Administration.
    Clinton???s replacement for U.S. attorney in Little Rock was Paula Casey, a former law school student of his. She did much to protect her patron."

    And not going to LA after Katrina has nothing to do with rather or not Bush was such a DICK, and if he wasn't he wouldn't have to worry about security, just goes to show what an idiot you are. Heck everyone seemed to like JFK and he still ended up with a bullet. And if you are going to hit Bush so hard on Katrina, Where was Clinton after the 1993 WTC attacks?

    As far as rewriting history, no, but we have the ability to look past our own nose and see the "whole picture". You want to act like there was nothing before Bush and everything is his fault, that isn't the truth.




  • Posted By: JoanR @ 01/28/2009 2:48:09 PM

    Aren't the detainees all health care workers and teachers like the left wing moonies have been telling us? Doesn't really matter, Obama will give them one of his imperishable speeches before they go and all will be well. Kumbaya Kumbaya

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 2:56:41 PM

      "Aren't the detainees all health care workers and teachers like the left wing moonies have been telling us? "

      Why are you an habitual liar, Joan?

  • Posted By: mummblemouth @ 01/26/2009 8:53:26 AM

    So you do a sweep of an area and have a bad guy give you the names of other supposed bad guys - who are probably just on the s==t list of the first bad guy for standing up to him - and then you imprison him for six years without filing charges, giving him any access to courts which could prove his innocence or lack thereof, and to top it off you give him a healthy dose of torture. In the end, when you have to release him because you can't find anything to peg him for you find that Wa-la, you've just created an American hating terrorist. Thanks Bush.

    Of course some of them are bad guys and some of them would go back to the battlefield regardless, but the point is that if we sell our ideals and the rule of law down the river we are only playing into their hands. Had Bush handled the operation of Guantanamo better we wouldn't even have this question, but he flubbed that too by running it with the same secrecy and deceit that he ran his entire administration. He has, in the end, made us less safe. Again, thanks big guy.

    • Posted By: Ijustwantitover @ 01/27/2009 1:10:01 AM

      you're very right Bush and his military did it all wrong. They should have taken no prisoners simply question and terminate in the field maybe with one of their own car bombs. They are fighting for no country giving them no need for fair treatment.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/27/2009 8:08:31 AM

        Should our soldiers wear snappy Black uniforms, too?

        • Posted By: USARMY Crewman @ 01/27/2009 6:34:00 PM

          Sure, why not? I'm sure those militants would still find us and put another bomb in our a***

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 10:51:51 AM

            "Sure, why not? "

            Nuff said. You should leave the military. You are not suited to defend America.

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 01/28/2009 12:07:55 AM

    Harley your back and wrong as always:

    No terrorist attacks in America since 9/11
    Multiple attacks thwarted including plans to blow up the Brooklyn bridge during rush hour by listening in on a phone call one of many examples where planned terror was stopped by pre-emptive action
    Democratic Governor and Mayor refused Bush's offer to help as Katrina roared in, a fact never mentioned by you or the media. The Governor decides on federal intervention and refused until all hell broke loose a little late then
    Iraq war A tyrannical murderer removed that killed over 500,000 of his own citizens via torture and murder, gassed 5000 Kurds to death, his sons raped and murdered at will and he sponsored terrorism all over the world.
    Bush fired eight US attorney's and this was a scandal. Clinton fired them all when he took office in part because he was already under investigation at that time. No media bias there either.
    And my list goes on and on>>>>

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 9:24:07 AM

      "Democratic Governor and Mayor refused Bush's offer to help as Katrina roared in,"

      Bullshit. Bush was busy playing with Mark Wills' guitar.

      • Posted By: brydges @ 01/28/2009 9:55:03 AM

        Once again Doc your wrong and just plain stupid. Funny how the facts only matter to you when it serves your ego.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 9:23:06 AM

      "Multiple attacks thwarted including plans to blow up the Brooklyn bridge during rush hour by listening in on a phone call one of many examples where planned terror was stopped by pre-emptive action"

      Link?

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 9:22:44 AM

      "No terrorist attacks in America since 9/11 "

      Sorry, I count 911. Bush was a failure.

  • Posted By: Me5S @ 01/27/2009 12:49:36 PM

    Doc;

    Your last statement only proves that you shouldnot believe everything you see on the news or read in Newsweek (or TIME, US NEWS, the paper, etc...) for they are only reporting failures in the system. The sad truth is that you only every see the failures and not the victories.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 9:25:23 AM

      "Your last statement only proves that you shouldnot believe everything you see on the news or read in Newsweek (or TIME, US NEWS, the paper, etc...) for they are only reporting failures in the system. The sad truth is that you only every see the failures and not the victories."

      I can only judge by what I see. Sorry.

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 01/27/2009 11:56:17 PM

    If Gitmo prisoners are released and freed and attack America Obama and the democrats can and will bear the brunt of their actions. Clinton forced Israel to release Mohummad Atta in the Oslo Accord prisoner exchange and did not snuff Bin Laden when he was handed to us on a silver platter. The mercy he showed them was certainly repaid on 09-11-01 when Bin Laden's followers attacked the WTC Towers and Atta flew one of the planes into the building. These terrorists should be imprisoned for life and politicians held accountable both in civil and criminal court if they attack and kill any Americans.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/28/2009 9:24:37 AM

      "Clinton forced Israel to release Mohummad Atta in the Oslo Accord prisoner exchange and did not snuff Bin Laden when he was handed to us on a silver platter."

      When was that?

  • Posted By: life2go @ 01/28/2009 6:50:13 AM

    Me5S...I agree, as someone who was in GTMO during the Haiti issue back in early 1990s you learn alot about the difference between the truth of what is happening and how it is played out in the media. The differences were as different as night and day. So I take everything I hear from the media and know that you never hear the whole truth or a truly balanced and honest story. And you realize that even if the military takes a hit in the media there are still some things that they don't release for security reasons. Popularity isn't their main concern.

  • Posted By: BORETA48 @ 01/25/2009 8:17:00 PM

    you see this is the kind of *** that i just dont like. Why before he got sworn in didn't they brief him on the people in guantanamo. This is why i hate this government

    • Posted By: USAgirl55 @ 01/27/2009 12:57:15 AM

      He was briefed, but he's so right about everything that he ddin't bother to study. It doesn't go with his Socialist education to have it any way but his own. Does he not walk on water and rest on the seventh day from all his labors to turn us into a socialist country. If only the intelligent people who were lulled to sleep by his soothing voice would have really llistened. To rush in hastily into anything is to overlook a lot of truth that was there but not seen because he wanted to make a big huge statement to the US. Then on his next day he releases Federal money to abort babies not just here but all over the world using Federal lmoney. I don't want my taxes to go for that. If money is so tight then why use it to kill innocent little babies, and buy condoms for people. Maybe it would be better to tie tubes and give vasectomys.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/27/2009 11:50:44 AM

        I'm going to enjoy watching you loons whine for the next several years.

      • Posted By: Sik&Tyerd @ 01/27/2009 11:28:30 AM

        Great Comment USAgirl55. Very well said.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/25/2009 9:10:05 PM

      They did...he is trying to appease his Victimcrat base.

      NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: BORETA48 @ 01/25/2009 8:22:49 PM

    this is just more of the same i dont believe anything that comes from the pentagon they have lied so much until it is unbelievable. Now they expect us to believe this. They forget they werent terrorists when our government snatched them up but if they are now then who does the pentagon have to blame and the congress and the former president bush and cheney. You reap what you sow people, we will reap what we have sown because we didnt hold bush and his cronies accountable for every illegal thing that he did. We should have challenged him when he started messing with the constitution and when he switched from afghanistan to iraq. Reap. Reap. Reap.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/25/2009 9:00:28 PM

      Had an extra glass of Kool-Aid huh...smokin' some Hopium to go with it??? Checking your mail daily for your Obamabucks???

      These "people" are animals...they are not "political" as you call it...They are murdering demon-possessed mohammeds...No respect for human life..they love and respect a death-culture. They should be afforded very few rights if any at all. If Pres. Hussein releases them and/or weakens the nations defenses and we are attacked again...His Presidency will be over...so far it's only been words...if he is as smart as he thinks he is...it will stay words only...

      You had better start practising the new obamamohammed slogan..."IT'S NOT OBAMA'S FAULT"...he is gonna need all his devout worshippers to stay strong...it's about to get really ugly...

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: USAgirl55 @ 01/27/2009 12:51:48 AM

        The only way to make believers out of those who have sympthy for terrorists is to let them serve some time in Iraq, Afghanistan and even India, where they came in to kill Americans, English, Europeans, etc. They should live there and see what they are llike. I will never figure out where these people come from with such love for those who hate us so much. They are not in my realm of sane people.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/27/2009 11:49:50 AM

          Actually, what we have is respect for the rule of law.

          What you have is cowardice, and a complete lack of principles.

  • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/27/2009 11:47:35 AM

    You had me until you included the CIA. Those morons can't do anything right.

  • Posted By: Me5S @ 01/27/2009 11:40:35 AM

    The last time I checked it was primarily Special Operations Units tasked with this counter terror mission. That stated, maybe they should just return full operational command authority to the Special Operations Command, in Ft Bragg. No more FBI involvement. No Department of Homeland Security mishaps. No NYPD agents (yes, NYPD) getting in the way. Just Special Operations Forces and CIA working on these operations. They were trained for this type of mission. They have the experience and professionalism to conduct these operations effectively. They have a defined set of rules that they must follow or we face UCMJ action which can include dishonorable discharge and or inprisonment. This can address everyone's objections to the current issues.

    One more thing, the Pentagon only releases information that is not classified or "need to know" only. You, the American public, do not need to know everything that goes on in this war on terror. You do not want to know what is in those intelligence reports and after action reviews. This is not about Politics, it is about keeping US Soldiers as safe as possible so that they may live to fight, for you, another day. AFN unfortunately has CNN, so deployed troops get to hear all of the negative things everyone back home says. Imagine how you would feel trying to do this job when so many of your own countrymen hate what you are doing.

  • Posted By: AMERICAN555 @ 01/25/2009 10:54:42 PM

    To HELL with the anger in the muslim world. I'm tired of seeing the destruction that they cause go unoticed in hollywood and around the globe.The penalty should be death for terror attacks. These people are not citizens violating laws they are combatants that need to be dealt with in the field.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/27/2009 11:40:11 AM

      Sorry. You had your chance, and you failed. You (and/or those like you) are no longer in a position to decide what is to be done, and it's nobody's fault but your own.

    • Posted By: tom343 @ 01/26/2009 9:21:38 AM

      Yeah..Ron Kuby said the sheik was just a harmless old dude, too.

  • Posted By: BRndlERRW @ 01/26/2009 6:00:05 AM

    As a retired U.S. Army Officer, it is my most sincere belief that with the current Administration???s dismantling of the Intelligence Network and their ability to actually determine what is going on out there; our country will suffer another catastrophic terrorist event within the next two years. It is really quite simple, we are being forced to play by the rules against an enemy that laughs at us for it and then uses those rules against us. I suppose when enough innocent Americans have died, the Administration will have to accept a dose of reality along with the humility.

    • Posted By: Ijustwantitover @ 01/27/2009 1:14:35 AM

      I hope your wrong but I doubt it. Unfortunatly even if we get hit again the Obama fan club will blame Bush and beg for peace and forgiveness from those who attack.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/27/2009 8:09:16 AM

        Another bitter republican.

        Hilarious.

        • Posted By: Sik&Tyerd @ 01/27/2009 11:32:42 AM

          Another sad Democrat.

          Gut busting

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/27/2009 11:38:25 AM

            "Another sad Democrat."

            Irrelevant chump says what?

  • Posted By: jsmith7006 @ 01/27/2009 9:35:53 AM

    You liberal fools are ridiculous trying to stand up for the rights of barbaric animals that would happily cut your throat if given half a chance. Where are the rights of the 9/11 victims or their families? How about the reporters and others captured by these fanatics that were beheaded in videos for their cause? Were they given a lawyer and a cushy prison? No...they got their heads hacked off by a dull blade. These detainees are lucky they are in a prison and weren't killed on the battlefield like they should have been. They are not American citizens or even soldiers of an enemy country, they are rabid animals bent on killing everything in their path and should be treated as such. Maybe if all you civil-rights-for-terrorists types stopped and thought about someone in your own family getting their head sawed off on TV or being incinerated in an explosion you might see how idiotic your position is. You all complained about Bush but he kept the country safe, treating these animals the way they deserve and taking the fight to them in their own backyard instead of here at home. But now we'll go with the liberal method of lawyers and lattes for our enemies...maybe we can give Akbar the butcher some of the stimulus money for a new AK and an explosive belt when we release him.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/27/2009 11:37:36 AM

      "You liberal fools are ridiculous trying to stand up for the rights of barbaric animals that would happily cut your throat if given half a chance. Where are the rights of the 9/11 victims or their families? How about the reporters and others captured by these fanatics that were beheaded in videos for their cause?"

      So you wish to base the legal system of the greatest nation on Earth on the same standards used by these barbarians? You're a lousy American.


      "You all complained about Bush but he kept the country safe, "

      No, he allowed the worst terrorist attack in the history of the United States. He was a failure.

  • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 01/27/2009 11:35:01 AM

    "Does closing Gitmo makes you feel safer flying?"

    Why the hell would it have any effect, either way?

  • Posted By: WhyThink @ 01/27/2009 11:16:41 AM

    Does closing Gitmo makes you feel safer flying?

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