This is a horrifically biased and poorly written article. Clearly Mr. Weigel is dismayed that his neo-conservative views have fallen out of favor under the current pontificate. His attacks on the Archbishop (the same prelate whom Saint Pio begged to be blessed by) for advocating traditional societal constructs are frivolous and crass. Perhaps the author needs to open his eyes if he can not see the positive fruits that will come about with the full regularization of the FSSPX and Rome. For years the FSSPX has seen their vocations grow and their seminaries are packed. It has recently been speculated that more Catholics in France (and other European countries) assist at Mass in FSSPX operated chapels than in diocesan structures. It sounds to me as if the Society is doing something right. Mr. Weigel's call for the FSSPX to reject antisemitism is intriguing. I can not recall purveying documents in which the FSSPX ever made hatred of Jews an official position of their Society, I am most certain the author would be unable as well. However, I can recall fmr. Superior Franz Schmidberger making a public statement that hatred of Jews is incompatible with true Christian compassion. The author clearly has a high opinion of himself, but I think it is a bit arrogant to publicly speculate about the efficacy of the Pope's decision to remit the excommunications. The Holy Father, I am certain, gave much prayer to the issue before acting. Such second guessing and intellectual back seat driving does little good especially when it is written in such a subjective manner.
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Rome’s Reconciliation
Did the Pope heal, or deepen, the Lefebvrist schism?
Jan 26, 2009
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Posted By: jlskey @ 01/26/2009 8:06:08 PM
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Posted By: alessmiros @ 01/28/2009 4:13:37 PM
Why to call him Holly Father? My Holly Father is My Father in Heaven. The man is just the POPE, the director of the Catholic Church. Why is this thing to elevate the man to sainthood or divinity. ?
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Posted By: Nosmanic @ 03/06/2009 1:43:48 AM
That's the point jlskey is a 'true' Catholic with other things believes that the Pope is the closest to God and is infallible.
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Posted By: RaulO @ 02/09/2009 5:57:27 AM
@ martialguy:
A few things for you to consider:
1. The whole "flat earth" belief was a result of a distortion of a piece of scripture describing the greatness of the Judeo-Christian God's domain. The reality is that the whole idea of persons of the Abrahamic faiths actually believing such a thing was manufactured by Washington Irving and others as part of a way of "selling" the Conflict Thesis.
2. The whole "dinosaurs and young earth" statement you referred to, is actually only applicable to YECs (Young Earth Creationists). Most Christians (and ALL Catholics according to their doctrine). readily embrace evolution and in fact, many of Darwin's early supporters were Catholics who defended his "Origin of the Species" from detractors--both religious and secular.
3. What in the world does anything YOU just said have to do with the topic at hand?
Now with this in mind, I hope you will think very carefully before you click the "send" button. Lest, you make yourself look like a fool again.-
Posted By: catspaw @ 02/18/2009 11:54:40 AM
RaulO, he put this on 3 different religions blogs. He didn't even read the articles.
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Posted By: martialguy @ 02/05/2009 11:16:37 PM
Scientologists beliveve that:
* Psychiatry and psychology are destructive fields which must be abolished.
* Spiritual beings ( thetans) live many lifetimes. Thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth. Thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control
* Thetans have existed for ???tens of trillions??? of years. During that time, thetans have been exposed to a vast number of traumatic incidents and have made a great many decisions that influence their present state. Thetans were conditioned by extraterrestrial dictatorships such as Helatrobus in an attempt to brainwash and control the population. These early events collectively are called "space opera."
* Xenu (sometimes Xemu) was the ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy." 75 million years ago Xenu brought billions of people to Earth in spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and detonated hydrogen bombs in the volcanoes. The thetans then clustered together, stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to do this today. Isolating thetans and neutralizing their ill effects are neccesary.
Christians believe that night and day existed before the sun, the earth was flat; and the earth is just a few...thousand years old and.... dinosaurs therefore roamed in peoples' backyards.
If you have average IQ and you research more into religions; probably you want to convert to...alcoholism
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Posted By: AVI8TR @ 02/02/2009 6:32:36 PM
Only Catholics of the current generation give a hoot. Left right?? Still a morally bankrupt miedeval cult who's demise is long over due. Catholocism in all its arrogant enthnocentrisic march for control, has killed and maimed itself right into irrevelency.
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Posted By: karyn_anne @ 02/01/2009 7:45:46 PM
I attend SSPX Masses and was baptised in the society, and i look forward to the discussions regarding Vatican 2 and the liturgy. The SSPX however, must not and will not detract from sticking to what is true and to do what is necessary.
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Posted By: tired and old @ 01/28/2009 1:22:44 PM
BISHOPS WHO PROFESS THAT CONCENTRATION CAMP NAZI BASTARDS DID NOT GAS JEWS, NEED TO BE RE-EDUCATED.
I SUGGEST THEY START AT A VERY LOW LEVEL.
PERSONAL COMMENT TO THE POPE :
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Posted By: newtral @ 02/01/2009 8:09:32 AM
Re educated with your version mr. tired and old? I think the fact that the holocaust is many times denied by prominent personalities becomes a questionable part of history. May be it happen, may be it didn't.
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Posted By: tired and old @ 01/30/2009 5:23:43 PM
TO THE ((((REHABILITATED ? )))) BISHOP DICKIE WILLIAMSON.
WILLIAMSON " .... IMPRUDENT ...." ?
HEY ! DICK HEAD.
YOUR NOT SORRY ? YOUR NOT WRONG ? YOU DENIED THAT JEWS WERE GASSED IN THE CONCENTRATION
CAMPS DURING WWII . CHRIST ! EVEN THE GERMAN GOVERNMENT KNOWS IT HAPPENED.
TELL ME DICK HEAD ARE YOU A MORON ?
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Posted By: Antoine1063 @ 01/30/2009 11:10:45 AM
Mr Weigel, I am French and a former member of the SSPX and I think that your comment is the more brilliant and clever analysis I have ever red on this topic. Obviously, french conservative catholics are not able to manage with their proper history. We have to read through Action française mouvement to undestand the way of acting of SSPX and US have got the best historian for that with Eugen Weber : he is no longer there but, never mind, his work helps a lot to understand !...
Thank you very much for your so interesting article !
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Posted By: shortimer831 @ 01/27/2009 1:44:53 AM
Both Archbishop Lefebvre and the Pope are on the losing end of a long struggle between the power of the church and its subjects. Just as the British monarchy has lost its relevance to its citizens, the church is destined to reach the conclusion. It is not just the fact that our philosophy of life has changed but we see more clearly a clash between human needs and the church's dogma. This trend will continue until the strictures of the Catholic church are only observed in the least advanced and scientifically illiiterate areas. How long this progression will take is anybody's guess but if history is a guide the day is coming.
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Posted By: Columcille @ 01/27/2009 12:16:33 PM
shortimer831, Your prediction of the demise of the Catholic Church is so far off the mark it is astonishing. Your comparison with the English Monarchy reveals that you do not under stand the nature of the Church or the papacy for that matter. The pope is not a ruler, he is a trustee of eternal truth. The truth will never lose its appeal. The Church is not a jurisdiction of power, it is a communion of love. Love and communion with others will never lose its appeal.
Have a look at the revitalization of the Faith among young people in America - this is a growing trend. In addition the Faith is booming in Africa, Latin America, South East Aisa and China.
Among decadent Baby Boomer Catholics like Joe Biden, Caroline Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi the Faith is dead, because they have rejected the Faith. This coterie of Catholics will eventually come into full schism with the Church as the Church increasingly reminds them that you can't be a disciple of Jesus and betray Him at the same time. Pax.-
Posted By: Nebraska @ 01/30/2009 10:15:40 AM
Columcille:
Your tenor and comments, simply re-inforce my decision to join millions of other recently "Lapsed Catholics" in the US. I pulled my kids from Catholic schools, where the re-trenchment of "Catholic Dogma and Teachings", that was decreed by Ratzinger, et al.,and directly led to illogical and immoral acts --that when questioned, led to the condemnation of my Faith. Due Process in a Catholic School ??? Not on your life--rather it is "arbitrary & Capricious" accepted Standard all over again--just like the utterly regressive and repressive '70's.
We have Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz (Lincoln , Ne.) who feels he can excommunicate at will--with no discernible authority. Were it not for the bravery of Cardinal Bernadin (God-bless his Soul)--a bloody Civil war between Catholics would have ensued.
I left the church, like millions of others, after reaching a sad conclusion that the Church does not practice what it preaches--and the "teachings" are nothing more than a widening schism of irreconciable and illogical differences, created by the Papacy...currently it's form is Ratzinger.
I am weary of constantly plumbing the depths of "the Fallacy of man", as practiced by Rome and the spineless US Bishops.
The Prelate cares more for the Pedophile, than the Parishoner.
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Posted By: thinkTwice @ 01/27/2009 4:01:03 PM
Coumcille ... your faith was touching. Then you mixed politics into this and exposed who you really are. A bushtard !!!!
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Posted By: boscobear @ 01/30/2009 10:12:35 AM
A desperate attempt to increase the number of Catholics that the Pope can now claim belong to the church.
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Posted By: shortimer831 @ 01/29/2009 4:04:27 PM
This argument the Catholic Church is having about reconciliation with an excommunicated group of bishops and whether it is consistant with Catholic Dogma is almost funny. I see it a little like the question of "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" when no one has demonstrated that there is such a thing as an angel. Your whole religiion as well as many other is based on the Divinity of Jesus Christ as the son of God. However, you have never proven the existance of God. As God is described by Christians, there certainly is no God. So where does that leave Jesus Christ and the entire religious ediface based on him? As so many others have said, Catholics and Christians don't understand their own religion, are largely ingnorant of their religion's history, and are infantile in their ability to evaluate facts, evidence, and observations.
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Posted By: Avvakum @ 01/27/2009 6:37:45 PM
As a Calvinist (not the so-called liberal reform churches that masquerade as Calvinist) something occurs to me looking at my Catholic brothers. The Roman Church was alive and well before Vatican II. Then it began to tolerate such heresies as "Liberation Theology"--terrorism in disguise" and Marxism and its attendance at Mass plummeted. SSPX on the other hand is booming. Liberal Catholocism and liberal Protestantism will both be dead in a few decades, swallowed up by Marxists . SSPX and Protestant fundamentalism along with Eastern Orthodoxy will continue to grow and prosper. Maybe the liberal theologians will start worshiping statues of Biden, Pelosi and maybe Che.
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Posted By: Karl Rahner Magister @ 01/29/2009 11:35:32 AM
Well said Avvakum. As a former Epsicopalian in Hong Kong (now a convert to Catholicism at the age of 28), I have personal experience liberal Protestantism is dying while the Fundamentalist with Bible Belief and solid moral teachings will survive.
Secularism won't engulf true Christians.
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Posted By: Karl Rahner Magister @ 01/29/2009 11:26:22 AM
A suprise to me is that a "Distinguished Senior Fellow or Washington's Ethics and ......" and someone with a "Chair in Catholic (sic) Studies" cannot even distinguish between:
(1) a Catholic Dogma from a
(2) Pastoral Council, Vatican II's pastoral declaration, which its initiator Pope John XXIII and later Paul VI, explicitly stated: " the 2nd Vatican Council, IS A PASTORAL and NOT a dogmatic Council with any proclamation of Catholic Dogma" (allocution of Pope Paul VI 1965) , thus NO new Dogma were ever proposed in this Council, to be believed by all Catholics as articles of the Catholic Faith.
Mr Weigel stated:
"For it is not easy to see how the unity of the Catholic Church will be advanced if the Lefebvrist faction does not publicly and unambiguously affirm Vatican Council II's teaching on the nature of the church, on religious freedom, and on the sin of anti-Semitism"......
If his meaning of Vatican Council II's "teaching" (sic) is that of the level of the Catholic Dogma: Faith and Morals, then serious advice should be given to him to (re-)read a high school level Catholic Catechism seriously on the different valors of theological propositions.
If Mr Weigel really wants to quote the Catholic Church's Teachings (as Faith to be accented by all Catholics), we have Pope Pius IX, Syllabus of Errors (which is a declaration of the Extraordinary Magisterium of the Supreme Pontiff with full dogmatic weight. Sorry for the theological terms, check your dictionaryor consult your liberal catholic priests friends if you need to, Mr Weigel):
15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. -- Allocution "Maxima quidem," June 9, 1862;
If the Catholic Church ever "teaches" "freedom of conscience in religious matters" (which is impossible, yes, George, EVEN with declarations on that subject in Vatican II, Vatican II DID NOT TEACH religious liberty as a FAITH TO BE HELD by all catholics) that "teaching" wouldn't be binding on any individual Catholic's conscience.
A Catholic in Hong Kong, who wasn't even bought up as one.
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Posted By: Karl Rahner Magister @ 01/29/2009 11:25:38 AM
A suprise to me is that a "Distinguished Senior Fellow or Washington's Ethics and ......" and someone with a "Chair in Catholic (sic) Studies" cannot even distinguish between:
(1) a Catholic Dogma from a
(2) Pastoral Council, Vatican II's pastoral declaration, which its initiator Pope John XXIII and later Paul VI, explicitly stated: " the 2nd Vatican Council, IS A PASTORAL and NOT a dogmatic Council with any proclamation of Catholic Dogma" (allocution of Pope Paul VI 1965) , thus NO new Dogma were ever proposed in this Council, to be believed by all Catholics as articles of the Catholic Faith.
Mr Weigel stated:
"For it is not easy to see how the unity of the Catholic Church will be advanced if the Lefebvrist faction does not publicly and unambiguously affirm Vatican Council II's teaching on the nature of the church, on religious freedom, and on the sin of anti-Semitism"......
If his meaning of Vatican Council II's "teaching" (sic) is that of the level of the Catholic Dogma: Faith and Morals, then serious advice should be given to him to (re-)read a high school level Catholic Catechism seriously on the different valors of theological propositions.
If Mr Weigel really wants to quote the Catholic Church's Teachings (as Faith to be accented by all Catholics), we have Pope Pius IX, Syllabus of Errors (which is a declaration of the Extraordinary Magisterium of the Supreme Pontiff with full dogmatic weight. Sorry for the theological terms, check your dictionaryor consult your liberal catholic priests friends if you need to, Mr Weigel):
15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. -- Allocution "Maxima quidem," June 9, 1862;
If the Catholic Church ever "teaches" "freedom of conscience in religious matters" (which is impossible, yes, George, EVEN with declarations on that subject in Vatican II, Vatican II DID NOT TEACH religious liberty as a FAITH TO BE HELD by all catholics) that "teaching" wouldn't be binding on any individual Catholic's conscience.
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Posted By: Lionel Andrades @ 01/28/2009 11:02:53 AM
The Society of St.Pius Xl are in agreement with Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7,Lumen Gentium 14) which says that all people need Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water for salvation and that those who know this and yet do not enter are oriented to Hell.The SSPX interprets Vatican Council II according to Pope Benedict XVI and not the secular media interpretations.
They see Lumen Gentium 14 as the ordinary way of salvation and Lumen Gentium 16 as the extraordinary way of salvation.No where in the much reported Nostra Aetate,Vatican Council II is it said that Judaism is a path to salvation and that Jews can be saved in general in Judaism or that Jews do not need to convert.
The SSPX agree that Vatican Council II was an historical event.They also, like the Holy Father, interpret the Council as a continuation and not a break from Sacred Tradition.
The SSPX leadership has clarified that the views of Bishop Williamson are not those of the community .The bishop has not denied the Holocaust as is being reported but disputes the figures etc.He is one of many revisionists.-
Posted By: alessmiros @ 01/28/2009 4:10:37 PM
Then, his revision will take the future century. What more figures does that man want? It have been totally doccumented ! For heavens sake, that man is a cruel one ! He should be defrocked ages ago !
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Posted By: alessmiros @ 01/28/2009 4:08:13 PM
To say that the Holocaust did not happen is the worst slap on the face to those who survived
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Posted By: alessmiros @ 01/28/2009 4:07:25 PM
To deny that the Holocaust did happen is the worst slap on the face to those who survived that terrible ordeal.
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Posted By: tired and old @ 01/28/2009 3:45:13 PM
THE POPE SAYS HE IS SOLIDLY BEHIND THE JEWS; YET, HE LETS A HOLOCAUST DENYING BISHOP BACK INTO THE HOUSE OF PEDOPHILES.
I THINK THE POPE IS FULL OF POOP !
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Posted By: tired and old @ 01/28/2009 1:24:48 PM
QUESTION TO THE POPE :
WHO IS THE PATRON SAINT OF PEDOPHILES ?
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