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The Party Of Goldwater?

What the GOP's hostility to Obama's stimulus plan portends.

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  • Posted By: Dolmance @ 03/20/2009 8:11:55 PM

    Gee, all the Republicans have to do for a repeat performance is find another Richard Nixon to install in the Oval Office. Then a Reagan to do away with all those pesky and un-American regulations put in place to fix our current economic crisis and by that time a whole new crop of Bush babies will be old enough to take over the reins of power and steal everything. Repeat as considered necessary.

  • Posted By: ludy @ 03/07/2009 7:38:52 PM

    Is it possible the Mr. Limbaugh is a racist and hiding behind the "I'm an entertainer " line, when in-fact he's unhappy that the GOP recently appointed chairman, Mr. Steele is African American?...I disagree with Mr. Limbaugh's political views but I've always thought of him as an intelligent person..."he's not sounding so intelligent these days". I find it hard to believe that he believe's what he's saying.

  • Posted By: ludy @ 03/07/2009 7:24:27 PM

    Is it possible that Mr. Limbaugh really is a racist and hiding behind the "I'm an entertainer " line..when in fact he's upset that the newly appointed GOP chairman Mr. Steele is African American?..I don't agree with Mr.Limbaugh's political views, but I've always thought of him as an intelligent man..."he's not sounding so intelligent these days".

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 02/09/2009 12:22:21 PM

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/support_for_stimulus_package_falls_to_37

  • Posted By: Galasso @ 02/07/2009 8:46:07 AM

    When asked about his political philosophy in an interview, Goldwater was quoted once as saying that he would be considered a liberal in the future. He was very unhappy about the way the Party changed course under Richard Nixon. If a return to the Goldwater standard puts the johnny-come-lately Hannity and some others back in the box, it might not be a bad thing. The ultra right wing has redefined "conservatism" and has had a strangle-hold on the public image of the Party for far too long. A coalition of blue dog Democrats and Goldwater conservatives would be a refreshing change from the insanity we have now.

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 02/06/2009 11:28:57 PM

    We were warned:

    See Wall Street Journal: A Liberal Supermajority:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 02/04/2009 11:23:39 AM

    Dear Pres. Obama,

    I just heard you say the purpose your stimulus Bill is to "save or create 3 million jobs." I notice that number keeps getting smaller, while the price of this Bill keeps getting larger.

    At the moment the Senat Bill has a $ 900 Billion price tag for 3 million jobs. If my public school math is correct, that is $300,000 per job. That's nuts!

    • Posted By: jackpotlady13 @ 02/05/2009 5:44:39 PM

      Yeah, while you are at it, why the heck didn't you keep the BUY AMERICAN part of the stimulus plan, has our steel industry been politicized and downgraded so badly American Steel might build faulty infrastructure like bridges? What about our concrete-have you ordered trucks of it from Japan and we just have to wait on the slow barge to make port in San Francisco, which probably will have to close if California doesn't solve their budget crisis? Now you are facing something that hasn't been in your vocabulary yet - Anger. President Obama, what oh what are you going to do? Of course Americans are angry... you are messing with their jobs and that affects your ability to get us to pass the stimulus bill. I did not vote for you or for McSame. If I had voted, it would have been for Ron Paul and everybody knows that would not have counted.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 02/04/2009 11:21:11 PM

      Kill Bill.

  • Posted By: jackpotlady13 @ 02/05/2009 4:49:35 PM

    Last I checked, McCain was whining and Palin seemed like a hateful woman who probably would be at home in the deep South riding around in a pick up truck with a shotgun in a rack and KKK bumperstickers on it. I hated that image, and McCain probably lost because of his whining and the choice of Palin. I honestly hope that see doesn't run ever.

  • Posted By: daveaz @ 02/05/2009 12:19:34 PM

    If it was Bushes deregulatory zeal tell me which financial regulation laws did Bush repeal?

    Keep in mind that Bush passed one of the largest financial regulation bills in the past 50 years the Sarbanes Oxley act...

  • Posted By: bighappy @ 02/03/2009 7:35:18 PM

    Is author true idiot or pretends to be? Thi sso-named stimulus contains 30% real stimulus and 70% liberal Democrats agenda which will not only negate the stimulus part but will prolong recession (if not depression) for years. Any aconomist would say (as we know, new finance Secretary is not a one, he even can not count his taxes) it is better no stimulus that this one. As for Hoover/Bush analogy - it is most likely that Obama will be new Hoover because like Hoover he inhereted recession, and for next 50 years Democrats will be known as party of Obama (thanks God, not party of KKK as they were in Goldwater time).
    As for Obama, he has no clue what to do. Enough to say three of his finance-involved appointees are either tax evaders or even worse, do not know tax laws.

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 02/02/2009 9:42:56 PM

    Here's a good one!

    ???Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ??? Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 02/02/2009 2:32:30 AM

    JFK put it best, not that it is not known to every first year economics student.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505E2D6163BF93BA2575AC0A962948260

    From the NY Times Published: September 18, 1984 : Rationale for Kennedy's Tax Cut

    In a speech before the Economic Club of New York on Dec. 14, 1962, President Kennedy said:

    ''Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that, no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenue to balance the budget - just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low - and the soundest way to raise revenues in the long run is to cut rates now.''


  • Posted By: Kent N @ 02/01/2009 11:10:03 AM

    The author is perpetuating a gross fallacy in saying that "an excess of free-markey zeal" has brought us to our current impasse. The fact is that we haven't had anything close to a free market in over a hundred years.

    The regulatory budget under Bush increased by 29% (adjusted for inflation). By contrast, under Clinton it decreased by 3% (adjusted for inflation). The Bush administration spent more money on making and enforcing new market regulations than any administration in American history.

    If you want to find out what really caused the current financial crisis, then you need to start asking some hard questions about the activities of the Federal Reserve and government-owned entities like Fanny and Freddie.

    The hard fact of the matter is that keynesianism and profligate spending caused the crisis. More keynesianism and even more profligate spending cannot fix it.

    • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 02/01/2009 11:49:17 AM

      Correct! Below is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time Republicans attempted with S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

      See also:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related (See Obama interview, about 2/3 of the way through)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related

      For an interesting article purporting to detail the House Financial Services Committee Chairs long history with Fannie Mae, See http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx

      "House Financial Services Committee Chair promoted GSEs while former 'spouse' was Fannie Mae executive."

      Thei Democrats failed policies started this desaster. Even Bill Clinton says so.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfGWxqsKFmY

      • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 02/01/2009 11:55:52 AM

        For an academic analysis from the field of Economics, See:

        http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1322297

  • Posted By: greatmidwest @ 02/01/2009 4:46:44 AM


    How Blowhard Boehner can lead a vote against an economic stimulus package when his home state of Ohio is slowly going down the tubes portends very bad news for the GOP for many years to come. Can anyone here say they can rule out a new born Independent Republican suckling from the right-leaning Democratic and the left-leaning Republican electoral voters' nipples in 2016? Sounds stimulating doesn't it? Hillary vs. Hagel or Cuomo vs. Crist? Your choice Pay-Per-View, ORDER NOW!!!

  • Posted By: greatmidwest @ 01/30/2009 10:47:34 PM


    The GOP is treading on thin ice, if they think this partisan pity party they are having (with an overwhlemingly popular Democratic President Obama determined to fix this economic mess ) is going to help their efforts at re-building a poltical party that Americans now view as outdated, out of touch, and out of mind.

    It's just bad "strategery" (as Bumblebush used to say) and will make Americans more angry and defiant towards the Republican party. For neo-con politcal windmaker Rush Limbaugh to unpatriotically "wish" that our President's administration fail to bring back economic properity to our nationis an example of the "out of mind" character of a party that supposedly backs family values. For US Congressmen not to rebuke this obese doomsdayer's remarks, this will only come bakc to haunt them as this sound bite is played over and over during their re-election campaigns. It also has started a minor schism within the party of elephant as followers of more Independent Republicans (Powell, Schwarzenegger, Hagel) slowly want to disown their more "out of mind" Conservative Republicans (Joe the Plumber, Fashion template Palin, and Nicotine-leading state US Senator Mitch McConnell). Just goes to show a divided party always loses to that of a to a strong united nation.

    • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 01/31/2009 5:56:00 PM

      Looks to me like the Republicans are having a bipartisan party. Dems in the house voted against the bill, and Dems in the Senate are being ouspoken in their opposition, or did you miss that part?

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 01/31/2009 12:17:10 PM

    Let's look the history of the Communist party for a moment.
    For nearly 3 decades, Joseph Stalin, a mass murderer, was the Communist party. His successor Nikita Krushchev blamed all of the problems of the bad, old USSR on Stalin and even kicked Stalin's corpse out of the Lenin-Stalin Mausoleum. His attempt to turn Kazakhstan into Iowa led to his downfall in disgrace, and Leonid Brezhnev saw to it that Krushchev was buried in the Novodevichy Cemetery, a sort of burial ground for the disgraced.
    The Communists in the Brezhnev era were obsessed with restoring the party to the party of Marx and Lenin, even calling themselves Marxists-Leninists instead Communists. It didn't matter that the Soviet Union was falling to pieces in front of their eyes. Their only concern was some sort of endless theological argument about who was and who was not a true Marxist-Leninist, and deportations to Siberia for all those who were ideologically impure.
    Republicans have history all wrong. By the time Reagan challenged Gobrachev to tear down the wall, the USSR was already on the verge of extinction, not by Reagan's defense build-up, but by the accumulated errors of its own institutionalized stupidity, not mention the rise of independent labor unions in Poland which spawned other opposition groups.
    The Republicans have their Marx and Lenin: the sacrosanct gospel of Milton Friedman, and President Ronald Reagan. They have their Joseph Stalin, former president G.W. Bush. Like Krushchev and Brezhnev, they blame all of the failures of the last 8 years on President Bush. They conveniently forget that problems really stem from their blind adherence to the doctrines of Milton Friedman and their deification of Ronald Reagan, the same sort of corpse worship you'd witness at the Lenin Mausoleum back in the bad old days.
    Selecting Michael Steele as the new leader of the RNC won't solve the problem. That's about as meaningful as putting a picture of George Washington Carver on jars of peanut butter contaminated with salmonella. Label aside, The Republican party remains the same toxic mixture ignorance, bigotry, greed, stupidity, and fanaticism. Nothing will change that reality.

  • Posted By: JMB31 @ 01/30/2009 12:30:54 PM

    The Pary of Goldwater? I'm not sure Barry Goldwater would agree with you. Goldwater was a anti-Religious Right, Prochoice. Pro-gay, limited government libertarian. The Republican Party of today is nowhere near matching anything that Barry Goldwater stood for, case in point people like Rush Limbaugh wouldn't scare him one bit. He was a real conservative, independent minded, and he never backed down from his beliefs. Goldwater would be turning over in his grave at the thought that this is the party of Goldwater.

    "I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass."
    - Barry Goldwater

    • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 01/31/2009 8:18:01 AM

      That's a great quote, and speaks the truth. Falwell, Robertson, Bauer, Dobson were/are more concerned with empire building than authentic Christianity. Ain't no money in authentic Christianity, no king making abilities either.

    • Posted By: Iam3rd @ 01/30/2009 12:53:57 PM

      I think Goldwater becoming 'pro-choice' near the end was one of the most baffling things about his politics if I recall. I know some say it was politically motivated because he believed supporting right to life policies would hurt the GOP in the long run. I have also heard that his wife and/or relatives were vehemently pro-abortion. I know he did switch from being part of the right to life movement.

    • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 01/30/2009 12:43:23 PM

      I didn't know he said that. Not surprising though. Good for him, and quite right!

  • Posted By: trogers @ 01/30/2009 9:19:08 PM

    The Republican party has one core value to always rally around: hatred. With hatred they can unite against the decline of civilization brought about by the Democrats, the gays and lesbians, the unions, the illegal aliens, the minorities, the non-evangelicals, the liberals, the socialists, the bureaucrats and of course the media. With hatred they can advance their cause to restore America to its greatness during the Reagan years when conservatives knew what was wrong and had the power to fix it. The government is the problem; just ask the past Republican administration about the difficulty of ruling a nation with so many wrongheaded citizens. If the Republicans could drop their opposition to cloning and start cloning more of Fuhrer Limbaugh maybe they can regain the control they desperately seek. One nation under God with liberty and justice for loyal Republican fascists; and subjugation for all inferior races , creeds and colors.

    • Posted By: bkrummel @ 01/30/2009 10:24:50 PM

      Um, Republicans are not fascists. That said, you have a point. Both parties, Republican and Democrat have been rallying around hate for years. The Republicans hated Clinton, so they take over Congress and try to impeach him Clinton. The Democrats are pissed about this and Gore losing the election, so they start hating on Bush. Though eventually the hating Bush has some merit. The Democrats try to elect Kerry as "Anyone but Bush" and fail. But they get the congress in 2006. The only person elected on merit recently was Obama, but even then the Democrats acquired power by hating Bush. The funny thing is because Obama is so successful without hate and is above the mud-slinging (Hillary and McCain both tried hating on Obama and failed), the Republicans can't hate Obama out of power.

      Throughout all this hateful politics, both sides had only half an understanding of any issue. Only together did they ever have the full picture or the solution. It's time both parties come together for the good of the country. Also, the Republicans are going to have to clean up their act and provide some good policy ideas to regain power.

    • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 01/30/2009 10:01:57 PM

      I think he doth protest too much!

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 01/30/2009 8:03:00 PM

    Wow!!! Another Democrate who likes to raise other peoples taxes but not to pay his! Tom Daschle, a Clinton water boy and all around democratic hack apparently is apparently now in trouble, as is his nomination as CIA chief (of all things). News is he already had to pay $100,000 and still owes, for a lemo and driver given by a wealthy business associate.

    • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 01/30/2009 10:00:37 PM

      Whoops, not CIA, Health care reform. I always confuse those old Clinton people.

  • Posted By: bkrummel @ 01/30/2009 5:29:09 PM

    What is with all these pro-Obama, anti-Republican Newsweek articles? I've seen two in one day. This one in particular has a number of factual fallacies as many of the post point out. Newsweek, how about trying unbiased journalism?

    • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 01/30/2009 7:38:44 PM

      Should have been here last fall when it was almost every article. Newsweek is the side office of MSNBC (which is why MSNBC links to Newsweek articles), which in turn was the back office of the Obama campaign.

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